NYTimes Suggests Trump May Walk Away If He Wins

The New York Times has the most bizarre Trump speculation I've read to date. He may not want to be President, he may just want to win. And if he does, he may just decline to take the office, and go back to running his businesses, happy with all the media coverage he got, which he thinks would be good for business.

As I was reading it, the soundtrack to Walk Away Renee kept running through my head. [More...]

Here's the Four Tops in 1968.

But the version I remember most is that of the Left Bank in 1966.

Here's the Left Bank performing Walk Away Renee in 2013. What a difference 50 years makes.

So who would be President if Trump won and didn't take office? His VP nominee? He's auditioning Chris Christie today. Can you imagine getting stuck with Newt as President?.

What a fake-out that would be if Trump refused to serve after being elected. I think he'd love to take a pass on the actual job of President if he won, but I don't think even he is stupid enough not to realize the public backlash would be so huge his businesses tank faster than a speeding bullet. It would be corporate suicide. And someone like Trump can't live on a media network's salary alone. NBC's The Apprentice and Fox News together couldn't pay him enough to meet his monthly obligations.

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    NY Times creating news rather than reporting news (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:11:18 AM EST

    They seem to be doing that a lot lately. (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 04:46:51 PM EST
    The place must be haunted by the Ghost of Judith Miller Past.

    Just another (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 11:55:14 AM EST
    free media opportunity.  Even though it must gall Trump to have to compete for a job with a woman, it seems to me to be beyond the pale that he would not stay in the job, if he by some fluke, got it.  Yes, Trump would not find the actual job of presidenting to hold  interest owing to his short attention span, be none of his supporters would care.  They know government is not his field and he would spend most of his time capitalizing on his position to enhance his businesses (via his children, of course).

    Maybe...I hope we never find out (none / 0) (#25)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 11:56:20 AM EST
    No, Linea, that is absolutely not (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Peter G on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 04:18:10 PM EST
    what police are supposed to be doing. I am very sorry to hear that you understand so little about our legal system that you could think that.

    Hey I called this a long time ago (none / 0) (#1)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 05:20:10 AM EST
    He would not last a month.  As much as I love to be proved right, it is not worth finding out. They very fact that he is bing called out on it now might make him hang around he is elected.

    I predicted long ago (none / 0) (#20)
    by jbindc on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 10:25:35 AM EST
    A mic-drop after officially accepting the nomination on Thursday night of the convention.

    I still wouldn't be surprised if it happened.


    Me too (none / 0) (#116)
    by BarnBabe on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 05:14:45 PM EST
    Exactly my thoughts. Too much to handle for him.

    Bonnie Raitt: (none / 0) (#2)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 08:10:08 AM EST
    There is no way he could have predicted (none / 0) (#3)
    by ExPatObserver on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 08:21:54 AM EST
    getting this far. Running for President was obviously a tactic for improving his brand.

    Maybe he will (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 08:22:22 AM EST
    Get to find out what it's like to live on minimum wage.   I can dream.

    He will probably do something crazy not later than tomorrow afternoon.  He will not be able to stand being pushed out of the news longer than that.

    Maybe he will announce his VP.

    All the running away songs are (none / 0) (#5)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 08:29:54 AM EST
    so sad about losing the person...

    So I'm going with my girl Shawn Colvin live

    Get Out of This House!

    Hit the Road, (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 04:57:23 PM EST
    Fifty (none / 0) (#30)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 05:02:52 PM EST
    I guess (none / 0) (#94)
    by Nemi on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 03:11:49 PM EST
    Really?? Do any of you (none / 0) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 08:32:47 AM EST
    actually believe this?

    Absolutely do (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:03:24 AM EST
    Maybe not on the first day, month, or year,  but I am as sure as I live and breath he would not serve a whole term.

    Serve being the operative word (none / 0) (#15)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:46:52 AM EST
    Once he realizes the job requires actual service to ends not his own, he will be to of there pretty fast.

    After listening to a Trump speech (none / 0) (#7)
    by MKS on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 08:36:02 AM EST
    live, I think he is emotionally unstable and disturbed.

    So, anything is possible with this guy.


    Don't know (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 08:41:42 AM EST
    but with Citizen's United he could quit and walk away with literally millions and laugh all the way to the bank.

    He knows he'd never hear the end (none / 0) (#13)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:21:28 AM EST
    of it if he walked away.

    He'll sink slowly in the flames swinging wildly all the way while making a well deserved mockery of the GOP.


    no (none / 0) (#39)
    by linea on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 08:53:46 PM EST
    it's rediculous

    Every story I read like this one (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:14:37 AM EST
    about Newt bring the "likely pick" makes me more doubtful it will be Newt.

    Whoever get the VP nod (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:37:59 PM EST
    ...is going to be a drag on the ticket.

    Losers, his favorite kind of people, are all he has left to choose from.

    Christie?  Palin?  Walker?  Newt?  Rick Scott?  And those are the LEADING contenders.  B-List is Sanford and McDonnell!  You would need the Queen Mary to hold that much baggage.

    Nobody with anything to lose wants any part of it.  In addition to the potential for humiliation, there is the sheer unpredictability of what this clown is going to do or say next, forcing you to defend it.

    He might have to pick someone from the studio audience.


    Sanford? (none / 0) (#91)
    by Nemi on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 02:57:25 PM EST
    The Sanford - as in Mark Sanford? The guy who went missing for a couple of days hiking the Appalachian Trail ... in Buenos Aires. :)

    Actually seeing his name always make me think of his wife and her appearance on The Daily Show where she told Jon Stewart that after having left her husband and the Governor's Mansion, what she missed most of all was ... the inmates! Yes, because they tended the garden and bathed the dogs! Lolsob.


    This on the other hand... (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:19:59 AM EST

    WASHINGTON -- A top military adviser to Donald Trump is being vetted to be his running mate, The Post has learned.

    The outspoken and brash Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn -- who was forced out of his post by the Obama administration in 2014 after pointing out the rising global jihadist threat -- has already briefed the Republican presidential candidate on several occasions and is in close touch with high levels of Trump's staff.

    Yup - the Wallace-LeMay model (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:48:02 AM EST
    I think it is going to happen.

    Buck Turgidson lives! (none / 0) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 05:03:07 PM EST
    Gingrich is tainted (none / 0) (#14)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:37:58 AM EST
    He's like the faded Hollywood star who's been married six times, has had too much botox, and no longer gets offered the top-shelf roles.

    They'll try to find someone articulate and dynamic along the lines of a "little Marco".


    That obnoxious (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:50:14 AM EST
    Skinny blond female pundit we are not supposed to talk about here wrote an interesting piece about how he would be nuts to pick any of the people the media is reporting as on the short list.  Making the argument that he needs an outsider.  Like the one above or at least as you say some young right wing rising star.  Like my senator, Cotton.

    I think that's true.  This talk about having someone who know "about governing" is a croc.  He doesn't care about governing.  He will make a choice on one issue.  If that person can help him win.


    Yes - this seems like someone who can (none / 0) (#18)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:53:45 AM EST
    stoke the terrorism/scary Muslim fears...with a dash of 'Hillary spilled national security secrets' thrown in. The demagogue trifecta!

    Our son went to a birthday party yesterday (none / 0) (#73)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 11:31:16 AM EST
    At an archery range.  Fun bday. We spoke with the owner and some of his clientele for a bit. Course they hate Clinton, but they were pro Trump. I brought up the possible coup at the Republican convention. They got very upset, said the pro Trumps would go ballastic.

    Because people became so upset my husband told me I have to stop using the word coup, but it isn't my word. It's the word the press is using. I just adopted it.


    I was (none / 0) (#19)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 10:03:50 AM EST
    thinking more along the lines of him taking the job but actually farming out the actual work involved.

    I could easily see him framing himself as the CEO and having the VP as COO. No need for him to show up at the PDB or cabinet meetings or preforming any other presidential duty, he will of course hire "people" to take care of such mundane tasks while he jets around the world on AF1, playing golf and living the good life he accustomed to, but all on the governments dime.

    After the convention, he needs (none / 0) (#21)
    by ExPatObserver on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 10:54:23 AM EST
    to explain what he will do about his business operations and investments, in detail.

    Oh goody! (none / 0) (#22)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 10:57:50 AM EST
    i thought this was already answered (none / 0) (#38)
    by linea on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 08:45:44 PM EST
    i thought one of his sons was already appointed to manage his businesses. am i wrong?

    Ah, maybe so, but is that (none / 0) (#50)
    by ExPatObserver on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 10:03:34 PM EST
    really satisfactory?
    I can't believe that Trump will be insulated from the business operations if a son is in charge---can you?

    satisfactory? (none / 0) (#52)
    by linea on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 10:15:23 PM EST
    is there some oblgation to be "insulated from the business operations" beyond turning his businesses over to his son? if so, im unaware {{smile}}.

    Blind trysts (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 10:23:21 PM EST
    Ok, that wasn't a typeo

    A blind trust, as discussed in this report, is a device employed by a federal official
    to hold, administer and manage the private financial assets, investments and ownerships
    of the official, and his or her spouse and dependant children, as a method of conflict of
    interest avoidance. In establishing a qualified blind trust upon the approval of the
    appropriate supervisory ethics entity, the official transfers, without restriction, control
    and management of private assets to an independent trustee who may not communicate
    information about the identity of the holdings in the trust to the official. The trust is
    considered "blind" because eventually, through the sale of transferred assets and the
    purchase of new ones, the public officer will be shielded from knowledge of the identity
    of the specific assets in the trust. Without such knowledge, conflict of interest issues
    would be avoided because no particular asset in the trust could act as an influence upon
    the official duties that the officer performs for the Government



    method of conflict of interest avoidance? (none / 0) (#57)
    by linea on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 10:30:42 PM EST
    ok.  but is this an actual requirement? or is it like the "tradition" of a candidate publicallly releasing her tax documents?

    I do not believe it is a requirement (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 10:34:54 PM EST
    I guess it depends on if wish to, you know, avoid the appearance of conflict of interest.

    Silly me.  I totally forgot who we were talking about.

    Never mind.


    well (none / 0) (#59)
    by linea on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 10:48:34 PM EST
    yeah! LoL. {{hugs}}

    It would create (none / 0) (#63)
    by jbindc on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 04:38:19 AM EST
    HUGE (or YUUUGGGEE) conflicts of interests.

    he has interests in 500 separate (none / 0) (#26)
    by ExPatObserver on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 01:48:52 PM EST
    corporate entities. I am not a lawyer, accountant or rich, but I imagine it would take a lengthy process to separate him from these interests. If he started today, could he finish by Jan 20, 2017?

    Maybe more time for the pigeons? (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 07:09:17 PM EST

    NEW YORK--Appearing relaxed and in high spirits as he sprinkled handfuls of bird feed around his rooftop coop, Donald Trump reportedly told his flock of domesticated pigeons Monday that it has been hard spending so much time away from them during his presidential campaign.

    According to sources, the presumptive GOP nominee spread the mixture of seed and grain in a careful, even manner through the hand-built pigeon shelter that sits atop Trump Tower, gently assuring the birds he has not forgotten them and has greatly missed their usual time together.

    Sources said Trump then gingerly scooped up an injured pigeon and inspected the homemade splint on her broken wing, noting to himself that the limb probably needed a few more weeks to heal. According to accounts, the 70-year-old came upon the wounded bird last month while walking through Central Park to sit and read beneath his favorite shade tree. Trump is said to have immediately taken the bird in and has reportedly spent nearly a month nursing her back to health.

    Those close to the presidential contender confirmed his pigeon-keeping hobby dates back to 1990, when his first marriage was failing and national media outlets were reporting regularly on the sordid details of his personal life and deteriorating finances. Sources stated that when a distraught Trump decided to climb up to the roof of his building to be alone after defaulting on millions of dollars worth of Trump's Castle Casino Resort mortgage bonds, he was visited by an especially curious and friendly pigeon with whom he bonded immediately, prompting the business mogul to raise an entire flock of the birds.

    In the decades since, the Republican presidential candidate is said to have retreated to the roof of Trump Tower nearly every day to find solace in the birds' company, often staying up there for hours at a time during his two divorces, four bankruptcies, and following his dismissal from the NBC show The Apprentice.


    "I could'a had class; (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 07:25:16 PM EST
    I could'a been a contender.  I could'a been somebody..."

    He's a veritable Disney princess! (none / 0) (#35)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 07:27:47 PM EST
    awww... (none / 0) (#37)
    by linea on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 08:44:28 PM EST
    that's so sweet! i started to tear up.

    It was wasn't it (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:22:51 PM EST
    I didn't know he kept pigeons

    i didnt either (none / 0) (#48)
    by linea on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:57:54 PM EST
    i like ivanka but i didnt know her father was so caring. im really impressed and touched. he isnt anything like i imagined.

    It's a fake story (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by jbindc on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 04:39:39 AM EST
    From The Onion.

    oh (none / 0) (#96)
    by linea on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 03:18:33 PM EST
    thank you

    are you sure? (none / 0) (#98)
    by linea on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 03:34:15 PM EST
    the original post is from CaptHowdy. i dont feel he'd post a fake story and not tell me.

    Howdy's original post (none / 0) (#100)
    by Peter G on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 03:53:47 PM EST
    plainly states that the quoted material comes from the Onion. At the end. You just have to read the whole thing, like all the best satire.

    It did (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 05:04:37 PM EST
    But honestly it was an after thought I could have easily omitted.  It actually never once occurred to me anyone would think it was anything but satire.

    Hard to tell these days (none / 0) (#153)
    by jbindc on Sun Jul 10, 2016 at 06:16:46 PM EST
    Maybe (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 08:13:45 PM EST
    Trump can convince the GOP to change their mascot to this

    So many (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:20:02 PM EST
    love it (none / 0) (#43)
    by linea on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:24:03 PM EST
    sooo funny!

    I think (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 08, 2016 at 09:40:31 PM EST
    the rootin tootin cowboy with the guns a blazin would fit a Trump GOP.

    Gumdrops (none / 0) (#65)
    by jmacWA on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 06:52:06 AM EST
    But he doesn't use bullets.  At least that's what he said

    Via Sopan Deb on Twitter (none / 0) (#66)
    by Nemi on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 07:23:01 AM EST
    Howie Carr at Boston Herald: Ignore media and turn off TV, Donald Trump!

    I'm talking about that huge flat-screen monster on your 757. I know it's wicked cool to be flying around the country watching yourself dominate cable news, but it's killing you. It's a distraction, a complete waste of time, and it's why when you get off the plane every night, you walk into the next 10,000-seat arena and just start babbling.


    How do we know that Trump is watching TV on the campaign plane all day long? Just follow his tweets.


    I rode with Trump on the 757 last week on two short hops, from Boston to Bangor and then from Bangor to LGA. During takeoff he was in his chair, poring over briefing books and newspapers, the TV set turned to Fox, of course. About 10 seconds after he settled in, the midday anchor mentioned his name and he raised his head from the briefing books and began staring at the set. He spent the rest of the flight transfixed, watching the coverage of himself.


    If Trump doesn't rise to the bait, the story -- or non-story -- goes away. But he can't help himself. Recently, as he was leaving Trump Tower, a New York Times reporter asked him to comment on a hypothetical, another no-no for anyone in the public eye, not just politicians.

    The reporter asked him about "a scenario floating around the political ether" -- in other words, a fantasy -- that he might win the presidency and then walk away. Any truth to that, Mr. Trump?

    "I'll let you know how I feel about it after it happens," he said, instead of saying nothing. So he gives them the first "story," and then they run it by Stuart Stevens, a Mitt Romney rumpswab who hates his guts, and he responds by calling Trump a "con man." Another story.

    A clue might be (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 10:28:10 AM EST
    In how long till he does something to get the spotlight back from Dallas.  I imagine him pacing back and forth while watching wall to wall coverage of NOT him.

    I remember a psych profile of Donald that was in the Atlantic that had a quote from long ago that relates to the subject of this post.  it's very long and very good

    A cardinal feature of high extroversion is relentless reward-seeking. Prompted by the activity of dopamine circuits in the brain, highly extroverted actors are driven to pursue positive emotional experiences, whether they come in the form of social approval, fame, or wealth. Indeed, it is the pursuit itself, more so even than the actual attainment of the goal, that extroverts find so gratifying. When Barbara Walters asked Trump in 1987 whether he would like to be appointed president of the United States, rather than having to run for the job, Trump said no: "It's the hunt that I believe I love."

    Trump's tendencies toward social ambition and aggressiveness were evident very early in his life, as we will see later. (By his own account, he once punched his second-grade music teacher, giving him a black eye.)

    Who, really, is Donald Trump? What's behind the actor's mask? I can discern little more than narcissistic motivations and a complementary personal narrative about winning at any cost. It is as if Trump has invested so much of himself in developing and refining his socially dominant role that he has nothing left over to create a meaningful story for his life, or for the nation. It is always Donald Trump playing Donald Trump, fighting to win, but never knowing why.

    If (none / 0) (#70)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 11:07:47 AM EST
    he and his handlers are smart they should realize that the spotlight will return to him within a matter of days as the convention nears, just this second I saw CNN running their promo "Trump Rocks Cleveland"(with a very flattering picture of him), plenty of  fodder for even the most voracious narcissist if you ask me.

    Watch this space (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 11:14:40 AM EST
    What makes you think (none / 0) (#72)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 11:21:31 AM EST
    ...Trump and his handlers might do something smart?

    (I realize you said IF they are smart...)

    Because that would be a dramatic change in what we have seen so far.


    Absolutely (none / 0) (#75)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 11:39:08 AM EST
    one giant if, but Trump's strength is the understanding and manipulation of the media, you think that he would understand(or be persuaded) that the buzz around his "coronation" will steadily grow without him lifting a finger.

    The rebublican convention (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 12:11:15 PM EST
    Is in 8 days.  I'm bettin Donald accounced his VP next week.  Possibly early next week.

    I (none / 0) (#80)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 12:18:45 PM EST
    forgot about the VP pick, that announcement should dominate a couple of cycles by itself, with little chance for Trump to shoot himself in the foot(assuming his choice is reasonable).

    A couple of days if it's reasonable (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 12:24:03 PM EST
    A couple of weeks if it's not.  

    Everytime Trump shoots himself (none / 0) (#82)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 12:36:15 PM EST
    in the foot, his base falls more deeply in love with him because he "shoots from the hip"..because he isn't afraid to "tell it like it is"..

    He's like the drunk at the party being egged on to play Russian Roulette by his drunken friends.


    Did you go to Chicago (none / 0) (#85)
    by ragebot on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 01:14:47 PM EST
    Did you see what they did there?  Do you remember the song these lyrics came from.  It was about the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago.

    Would anyone be shocked if there are demonstrations at both conventions that get out of hand.  Both BLM and the Bernie Bros are not happy campers and have made it clear they will not be shy about voicing their gripes.  The Cleveland LEOs are already saying they are behind the curve in preparing.  The only reason I remember Nixon's VP choice was a joke about how agnostic means without God and Agnew means with out knowledge.

    Trump's VP choice may well be lost in the confusion of the demonstrations outside the convention.  In any case the smart money is there will be plenty of coverage about demonstrations outside both conventions.

    I remember Chicago (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 01:26:23 PM EST
    I was watching.

    This will not be Chicago.  At least for the democrats.  


    The '68 Chicago convention was 48 years ago. (none / 0) (#114)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 05:06:01 PM EST
    It was an earlier era, and the events there were both prompted and propelled by entirely different conditions and circumstances. Any present comparisons between then and now are devoid of any historical context and amount to hyperbole. Donald Trump and his supporters would do well to get a grip and ratchet down the toxic rhetoric and inflammatory race-baiting, lest they been seen as desiring such a confrontation in the streets merely for its own sake.

    WaPo link on Trump VP (none / 0) (#88)
    by ragebot on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 01:48:43 PM EST

    It would be interesting if Trump selected a registered Democrat for his VP.

    Even (none / 0) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 03:10:04 PM EST
    the Trumpsters would revolt at that one since they are the ones that appear to hate Democrats the most.

    i feel (none / 0) (#99)
    by linea on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 03:46:34 PM EST
    retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn would be acceptable to the average republican. just my feeling of course.

    Perhaps (none / 0) (#102)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 04:09:42 PM EST
    but I'm not sure that's something that Flynn would want. Seriously why would he destroy a pretty outstanding career but getting on a ticket with Trump.

    Outstanding career? (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 04:32:46 PM EST
    He was forced out by Obama for his rabid anti Muslim stuff.  I posted this yesterday in this very thread.

    Yes I thought it was likely yesterday.  I still do.


    A link to this article was imbedded in that one (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 04:41:27 PM EST
    This is from May (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 04:50:44 PM EST
    Trump-Advising General Defends Muslim Ban
    Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn is also open to waterboarding and killing suspected terrorists' families

    the guy has been a Trump advisor since pretty much the beginning

    To call him a "registered democrat" is a rather loose and if I may say so, misleading, use of the term


    washington post (none / 0) (#115)
    by linea on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 05:11:01 PM EST
    says he's a registered democrat. pew researce poll says 45% of Democrats support torture.

    Okay. (none / 0) (#122)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 05:44:06 PM EST
    I had no idea obviously. I just scanned his wiki page and that is all I knew.

    Yeah, he does sound right up Trump's alley for sure.


    Yeah (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 05:54:59 PM EST
    It was obliquely referenced in, like, paragraph 29 of that article.   But it's been a buzz for a while.  I would say if Robert Costa is writing long articles about it, it's probably more than buzz.

    On this (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 05:05:15 PM EST
    We agree

    Fixed this for you (none / 0) (#90)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 02:52:43 PM EST
    Sad to say I don't see much good coming from more Trump rallies, they seem to attract at least a few outside the lines bozos; and those are the ones who get press coverage.

    The regulars at TL are NOT "all lawyers" (none / 0) (#139)
    by Peter G on Sat Jul 09, 2016 at 09:04:42 PM EST
    Those of us who are lawyers try really hard to make sure that we express our opinions, share our knowledge and expertise, and discuss the issues in terms any interested, intelligent person can understand. I cannot agree that you have to be a lawyer to know that the job of the police is not to kill criminals. I hope that learning this is not a surprise to you.
       Yes, there are circumstances in which a person (any person) is justified under the law in using deadly force. And additional circumstances in which a law enforcement officer, but not anyone else, may be justified in using deadly force. I never suggested for one moment that the situation in Dallas was not an example of such circumstances. It may well have been -- but I don't know, because I don't know all the facts, and have learned not to trust the authorities, including the police, to tell the truth about what happened in situations like this.
       I would definitely be interested in discussing the implications (legal, moral, and political) of police having the use of, and using, a military weapon like a bomb-deploying robot, for civilian law enforcement purposes. I hope that Jeralyn will share her thoughts and opens a thread on that topic in particular.

    thank you Peter (none / 0) (#165)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Jul 17, 2016 at 09:59:23 PM EST
    for correcting that comment both on the subject matter and erroneous statement that most readers here are lawyers.

    To everyone commenting in this thread: Someone hijacked this thread and made it about gun violence and TV shows. This is not an open thread. I'm cleaning it, but I really don't have time to be doing this so please, stay on topic. Also, please remember there is no reason to respond to every comment, especially with a one line quip. Comments close at 200, and no one wants to read 40 comments in one thread by the same person. You need to get your own blog if you have that much to say.


    Trump has chosen Mike Pence as his (none / 0) (#159)
    by caseyOR on Thu Jul 14, 2016 at 11:42:54 AM EST
    running mate. So, if Trump does, god help us, win in November then resign it will be President Pence.

    This makes sense to me. Newt and Christie were never going to be content as the second bananas, hiding the lights under the bushel that is Trump. I could not see Trump choosing someone who would fight him for the limelight.

    The only (none / 0) (#161)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 14, 2016 at 01:53:17 PM EST
    two other picks that could run more voters off than Pence would be Christie and Gingrich. Pence is detested in his own state of Indiana. Of course, I would not be surprised to find out that people like McConnell would be pushing for Pence just to get rid of him.

    Amanda Terkel (none / 0) (#162)
    by jbindc on Thu Jul 14, 2016 at 02:16:12 PM EST
    Who writes for HuffPo, tweeted this:

    You guys, Trump is probably going to choose Sarah Palin tomorrow. Notice she's not on the speaking schedule for the convention!

    Very true - she does not have a speaking role, and when asked about it earlier, Trump said something about Akaska being too far away from Cleveland.

    Seriously.  If this is a punk job, it's masterful.


    Tee-bow! What a line-up of GOP speakers! (none / 0) (#163)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jul 14, 2016 at 02:33:00 PM EST
    But no Sarah Palin?:

    "There are several notable women speaking. They include Pam Bondi, the Florida attorney general, who tangled on television with the CNN anchor Anderson Cooper after the Orlando, Fla., nightclub massacre; Eileen Collins, the first woman to command a space shuttle mission" -- and whose own personal shuttle has apparently long since departed for a parallel universe -- "Gov. Mary Fallin of Oklahoma; Senator Joni Ernst of Iowa and Mr. Trump's wife, Melania.

    "There are a few African-Americans, like Jamiel Shaw Sr., who became an outspoken advocate for tougher immigration laws after his son was killed in 2008 by an undocumented immigrant; and Darryl Glenn, who is running for Senate in Colorado.

    "From sports there is Mr. Tebow, the former quarterback and Heisman Trophy winner who is known for his conservative views; Dana White, the president of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, a mixed martial arts organization; and Ms. Gulbis."


    Out of the Mouths of .... N/T (none / 0) (#164)
    by Jane in CA on Sun Jul 17, 2016 at 02:22:12 AM EST