Sunday Night news and Open Thread: The Trumps, the Ukraine, and Pokémon Go

Melania Trump's racy photos from 1996. Trump says,

When asked about the photos, Trump told The Post: “Melania was one of the most successful models and she did many photo shoots, including for covers and major magazines. This was a picture taken for a European magazine prior to my knowing Melania. In Europe, pictures like this are very fashionable and common.”

Trump displayed his lack of foreign policy chops today on ABC's This Week when he didn't know that Russian troops were in the Ukraine -- and had been for two years. Russia seized Crimea and annexed it in 2014, resulting in economic sanctions by the U.S. and countries in Europe. He suggested Crimea might prefer Russia. [More...]

But you know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were. And you have to look at that, also.

Right before that he claimed Russia is "not going into Ukraine, okay, just so you understand."

Here's more on Donald Trump's tough weekend.

In other news: Pokémon Go hysteria:

The feverishly downloaded app uses a cellphone’s GPS and camera to make creatures called Pokémon “appear” on a user’s screen in and around his or her surroundings, with the ultimate goal being to capture them.... This encourages unprecedented physical exploration, for to catch them all, a player has to exhaustively wander around real-world locations in pursuit....Quite simply, a Pokémon is so tantalizing that it compels us to do the unimaginable: exercise.

....Apart from encouraging gamers to leave their homes and obtain some much needed vitamin D from the sun, Pokémon Go has also positively affected those afflicted with mental health diseases. Those grappling with anxiety and depression have noted an improvement in mood due to the app, which promotes social interaction. In addition, the hippocampus (associated with learning and memory) and reward pathways (associated with motivation and goal-orientation) of the brain, which are understimulated in depression and inevitably atrophy, are hyperstimulated during game play based on fMRI studies. The app thus becomes a neurological antidote to depression.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Jeralyn, you might want to put a (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 07:41:39 AM EST
    'Not Safe For Work' warning on that Melania link!I had no idea they were nudes.

    And the GoP should have thought of the implications of a first lady who's photos need a Not Safe For Work warning.

    Dirty little (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 08:33:32 AM EST
    secret of evangelicals: They love that kind of stuff and most of them are probably loving those pictures.

    Mrs. Trump was just (none / 0) (#59)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 05:09:15 PM EST
    working her way through architectural school.  Tuition money doesn't grow on trees.   But, now she and her spouse are ready to put that design degree to work.

    Didn't she drop out in the first year? (none / 0) (#170)
    by sallywally on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 04:46:49 PM EST
    I thought they took her website down because that came out.

    I was stunned. (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 05:23:15 PM EST
    To begin, I felt terrible for her embarrassment. Then I was embarrassed in the thought that a possible future First Lady of the USA was standing there with a hand as a leaf.  And then.......my thoughts went to the D and his oh it is common. I truly believe that he enjoyed having the men of the world ogling his wife. Just green with envy.  Maybe he was getting even over the speech she gave. But he is not a man when he lets those pics be exposed to the world. With all of his so called wealth, he should have bought all the pics and negs a long time ago.  And she should have packed her bags and left.  

    FYI (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 08:03:13 AM EST
    This seasons Ray Donavon has breast cancer story line that is incredibly moving and raw and very well done.  It involves his wife and another woman who is sort of a client.  Last night there was a sequence than put a big ole lump in my throat.  As moving as and edgy as anything I've seen on the subject.  I'm sure it's being written about today.  I will check around.

    It will be sort of ironic if Screiber and/or Voight win this round because their performances, both of them, have been way better this season than last or ever before.


    Doesn't your workplace bar (none / 0) (#45)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 02:09:33 PM EST

    Not sure that site was one that would have been (none / 0) (#73)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 07:35:22 PM EST
    flagged...but either way my trying to access it would have been logged, and if it had showed the picture and someone was walking past my cube and saw it..could have been big trouble.  Luckily I was home sick today and clicked from home.

    wrong (none / 0) (#92)
    by linea on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 10:26:20 PM EST
    a model posing nude is not pron. i sketched a nude model in ART CLASS so it's not pron.

    It is considered as pron (none / 0) (#104)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 07:31:41 AM EST
    By many workplaces.  If the filter doesn't catch it, you can be pretty sure there's a future conversation with HR if a human catches you.

    Pictures of naked people, whether they are beautiful or not, are generally not acceptable to look at while at work on workplace resources for 99% of businesses.

    You really don't understand this?


    And (none / 0) (#47)
    by Nemi on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 02:41:59 PM EST
    In Europe, pictures like this are very fashionable and common,

    Donald Tr*mp -- h/t Peter G. Love it :) -- claims. They are? Really? If so I'm preeetty sure they are still labelled p*rn. Not that I think Donald Tr*mp cares one way or the other, though.


    what exactly? (none / 0) (#93)
    by linea on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 10:36:37 PM EST
    what exactly are you claiming the "implications" are?

    my feelings, anybody who thinks a woman should be shamed or ostracized because as a 25 year old model she posed for professional nude photographs should put a metal bucket on their head and jump off a cliff.  cuz you are the problem.


    I don't think (5.00 / 2) (#105)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 07:36:50 AM EST
    Anyone here thinks Melania shouldn't have posed for the pictures.  I think it's the hypocrisy.  Michelle Obama got grief from conservatives because she showed her bare arms (not "First Lady-like"), but those same people have nothing to say when a potential First Lady, not only bared it all, but had photos taken of her snuggling up with another naked woman.

    I can only imagine what they would say if we found nude pictures if Hillary at 25, or Bill at 25.


    apparently, you are wrong (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by linea on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 08:01:29 PM EST
    is the snarky stripper-pole post simply contempt for melania because she is trump's wife? seems to me it is an expression of contempt for women and women's choices.

    apparently, not only do some preople here find some prudish and sexist fault with melania's choices anout HER BODY twenty years ago but they seem to think her personal choices should be a permanent life-time bar from employment - or at least a bar from being first lady - as if her personal choice to do a photo shoot when she was a model is tantamount to a felony conviction for child-molestation. i'm properly offended by that attitude.

    yes, i googled tantamount and i'm using the word correctly.


    The lady doth protest too much, methinks. (none / 0) (#99)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 03:05:51 AM EST
    Hey, Nixon put in a bowling alley (none / 0) (#138)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 02:00:52 PM EST
    Ford put in a swimming pool, and now Trump wants to be the first president to put in a dance pole. What's the problem?

    I'm not shaming her. I'm saying I will get (none / 0) (#116)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 11:34:14 AM EST
    in trouble at work if I click that link, along with anyone working for the government.

    After 30 years of lectures from the GOP about what a first lady is supposed to act like, I just find this really rich.


    There is some serious poetic justice (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by CST on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 08:37:08 AM EST
    In an angry Muslim father putting the nail in the Trump campaign.  Although let's face it, Trump's doing plenty of the work all on his own.

    He is (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 10:57:56 AM EST
    This is sort a perfect storm for Donald.  On one hand you have a Gold Star family that pretty much exemplifies everything we are supposed to celebrate in an immigrant family.  Every single thing.  With the clencher being the son who died on the battlefield fighting the very extremists Donald loves to hate on.

    On the other we have Donald.  One of the defining characteristics of a psychopath is the inability to feel empathy.  If comparing losing a child in war to building buildings doesn't put that issue away permanently it's really hard to imagine what would.

    Isn't it?


    I honestly cannot figure out (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 11:25:16 AM EST
    what the "sacrifices" are that Tr*mp imagines (even from his own twisted point of view) he endured in his life as a high-rolling, debt-leveraging real estate mogul. What does he even mean by that (from his own POV)?

    Somebody has to make money, Peter. (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by vml68 on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 11:53:21 AM EST
    And since most of America is not stepping up, it fell to poor Donald to do so.
    Very difficult to explain the hardships and sacrifices required to make money, specially when you are born to it.

    That you do not get this = SAD!



    Rick Tyler (republican) just now (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 12:08:41 PM EST
    Donald Trump needs to grow his heart, engage his brain and shut his mouth.

    A long-overdue enema probably (none / 0) (#36)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 12:45:57 PM EST
    wouldn't hurt either..

    With the garden weasal, available at your neighborhood Home Depot.


    Speaking of which (none / 0) (#57)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 04:39:38 PM EST
    Alan Simpson said that Trump is so full of it that if he was given an enema, he'd fit in a shoebox.

    Smart enough to prepare for November 8th (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 07:04:12 PM EST
    "I'm afraid the election's gonna be rigged, I have to be honest."

    8th is my birthday btw.  I expect a busted ceiling for my birthday.


    YAY! Watch out for glass (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by midcenturymod on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 07:12:19 PM EST
    shards in your cake!

    "I have to be honest" (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 07:13:37 PM EST
    There's a liar's comment, if I ever heard one. No need to signal or assert when you're (allegedly) being honest, if being honest is what you do.

    Said the guy who used "honestly" (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 07:24:07 PM EST
    prominently in two recent comments. Not inappropriately, I hope ....

    Ha (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 07:28:01 PM EST
    I do it too.  But I wasn't going to say anything.

    First time I ever (none / 0) (#171)
    by sallywally on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 04:52:08 PM EST
    liked anything Simpson said.

    Near as I can figure, maybe if you are born (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 07:37:39 PM EST
    rich, any time that you spend doing something that even vaguely resembles work is considered a sacrifice? I know its a reach, but it's all I got.

    He's saying that he's had his good (none / 0) (#34)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 12:12:44 PM EST
    and his bad days and that they're no different than anyone else's, because he doesn't have the inclination or the ability to imagine what it's like inside anyone else's skin.

    Trump himself answered your question ... (none / 0) (#35)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 12:23:44 PM EST
    ... about his sacrifices last Friday on ABC News, during an interview with George Stephanopolous:

    "I think I have made a lot of sacrifices. I've worked very, very hard. I've created thousands and thousands of jobs, tens of thousands of jobs, built great structures. I've done -- I've had tremendous success."

    Of course, individual opinions regarding the overall quality and appropriateness of Trump's response may vary. For her part, Ghazala Khan concluded in her op-ed in yesterday's Washington Post:

    "Donald Trump said he has made a lot of sacrifices. He doesn't know what the word sacrifice means."



    I was trying, honestly, to ask a serious question (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 01:46:23 PM EST
    I guess there is no serious answer to that question possible.

    I don't think it is possible for anyone (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by vml68 on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 02:44:49 PM EST
    (including Tr*mp) to answer the question, "What does he mean by that?"
    Maybe, this level of ignorance combined with crazy exists in other people but I have never witnessed it before.
    I still have moments when I think that I will wake up and find that all of this was some kind of macabre joke.

    If you have never witnessed this (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 03:03:19 PM EST
    personality before, VML, you must not be a criminal defense lawyer. I have seen it many times in clients, all of whom were facing or serving significant sentences for fraud convictions and/or were alcoholics or addicts.

    Exactly. (none / 0) (#48)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 02:42:35 PM EST
    Thus this morning, CNN's Fareed Zakaria finally said out loud on the air what so many of his colleagues in the media have heretofore been reluctant to admit publicly, that Trump is "plainly ignorant" and "a bullsh*t artist."

    Or as Alan Simpson said (none / 0) (#58)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 04:45:23 PM EST
    one enema away from being able to fit in a shoebox.

    Tr@mp supporter Scottie Nell Hughes (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 07:12:13 PM EST
    Has a creative definition of his sacrifice-

    On CNN

    Hughes said that his first two marriages fell apart as a result of his sacrifice to his job. Of course the job consists of enriching himself, which constitutes a sort of sacrifice., right?

    Tht's funny. (none / 0) (#87)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 09:32:30 PM EST
    I thought Trump's first two marriages were cast aside because he was merrily boinkin' Future Wife Nos. 2 and 3, respectively, while still married to Wife Nos. 1 and 2, respectively. I believe that he even fathered a child out of wedlock with Future Wife No. 2 (Marla Maples), if I remember correctly.

    Maybe Trump thinks it constitutes a supreme sacrifice on his part because he felt unable to engage in serial schtupping, for fear of acquiring an STD. Oh, what he'll do on behalf of his country, were he only elected president! Before the first year was out, we'd likely all feel like we were just serial schtupped.



    Probably the best (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 08:59:41 AM EST
    American message in the fight against ISIS: A patriotic father and mother who lost their heroic son in the US military, ordinary American citizens, conducting an argument with an authoritative and bombastic presidential candidate, and getting, by far, the better of it.  

    And also showing that no religious affiliation (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 09:10:40 AM EST
    need be an impediment to becoming a valuable citizen.

    It's up (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 09:04:29 AM EST
    it's the featured video

    'Terrible missteps': Debating Trump's interview
    Top Talkers: Donald Trump had a tough interview Sunday with George Stephanopoulos, where he continued discussing the Khan family. The Morning Joe panel digs into Trump's comments

    If you need to reassure yourself (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Nemi on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 03:01:09 PM EST
    of just how totally entusiastic people are about Hillary Clinton, and/or want to see for yourself how much fun those two couples Clinton/ Kaine/ Holton are having on the campaign trail, I recommend going to Hillary Clinton's flickr site. So much fun and joy to be found. :)

    Big news? (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by CST on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 04:13:06 PM EST
    Honestly, I have no idea if this will have an impact or not, but at least they're trying.  Will be interesting to see how it plays out.


    "The law takes a step that is completely unique: it prohibits employers from asking prospective hires about their salary histories until after they make a job offer that includes compensation, unless the applicants voluntarily disclose the information."

    "Massachusetts's new law unanimously passed the state legislature, and Gov. Charlie Baker (R) has said he will sign it into law."

    It will (none / 0) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 04:33:48 PM EST
    be interesting to see how this all works out, if it changes things for the better or does nothing.

    Obama raised the stakes today (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 03:13:46 PM EST
    And I expect them to continue to be raised for republicans by continuing to ask how many times can you say this or that is unacceptable behavior but I'm standing by my endorsement.

    As Hillary asked yesterday, what are the bounds?  Where is the bottom?

    This is just beginning.

    The bottom I think (none / 0) (#157)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 03:35:10 PM EST
    is the place where the belief that they're the party of God is locked away..

    As MKS keeps saying, it's mostly about "culture", and the Republicans have been skillful and ruthless in the last fifty years in deeply inculcating the belief in some people that conservatives are the guardians, the last bastions of Judeo-Christian culture.

    All the sleezeball pandering and lying and fear-mongering is ok because it's in the service of the last and only worthy cause..


    Maybe (5.00 / 2) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 03:43:39 PM EST
    As a person surrounded by this my theory is a bit different.  I think they, well 99%, were always in on the joke.   It was always a bullsh!t excuse to hate selectively.    A wink and a nod to keep certain people in their place and feel morally superior.  Or at least act like you did while living a life of desperate insecurity that the truth would out.

    The bottom, if there is one, the real collapse, will come when these red neck azzholes realize Donald has put the whole freakin dog and pony show at risk.  That he's pulling back the curtain.  That's when they would turn on him.


    Three major events this year (5.00 / 2) (#155)
    by CST on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 03:31:27 PM EST
    That let me know I'm no longer a spring chicken.

    I will officially pass the median age of Boston soon.

    I voted for Hillary in the primary.

    I don't "get" Pokemon Go.

    Now get off my lawn.

    Oh CST I remember when you were just a spring (5.00 / 3) (#181)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 06:31:49 PM EST
    chicken. Enjoy your late mid youth....it goes by way too fast!

    Anyone remember andgarden that used to come here? He was another smart young person. Wonder what he is doing now.


    I remember andgarden. (5.00 / 3) (#184)
    by caseyOR on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 07:03:11 PM EST
    I think he stopped posting right around the time he finished law school. Hope things are going well for him.

    Hang in there, CST. You are only going to get older. Savor each year, my friend.


    I'm in touch with Andgarden (5.00 / 4) (#193)
    by Peter G on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 08:15:39 PM EST
    He's fine. I miss his posts also.

    Thanks, Peter. I'm glad to hear (5.00 / 4) (#195)
    by caseyOR on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 08:26:49 PM EST
    andgarden is fine.

    As you will see, after I alerted him (5.00 / 3) (#200)
    by Peter G on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 09:10:13 PM EST
    to this thread, he responded with a bunch of "hello, and yes I'm fine; thanks for thinking of me" greetings in the form of "5" ratings.

    You rang? (5.00 / 4) (#196)
    by andgarden on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 08:41:00 PM EST
    I'm lucky. I'm being kept busy with work I enjoy (civil litigation).

    I don't comment much because (a) I'm much busier these days, and (b) I don't want to risk writing about my work.

    I actually comment so little that I had to reset my password. Good to see familiar names!


    Great to (5.00 / 3) (#197)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 08:42:36 PM EST
    hear from you again! And glad to hear that everything is going so well for you!

    Cheer up (none / 0) (#156)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 03:33:30 PM EST
    I go on Medicare in November

    I wish (none / 0) (#162)
    by CST on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 03:59:29 PM EST
    Medicare sounds like a lot better insurance than I've got.

    I recently saw my uncle who is 40 years older than me to the day.  He just retired, told me "only 40 more years till it's your turn"...


    As far as I can tell (none / 0) (#164)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 04:04:20 PM EST
    It's no better than my BCBS ACA coverage and it will be more expensive.

    Medicare might be cheaper than BCBS (none / 0) (#185)
    by caseyOR on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 07:07:32 PM EST
    if you lived in Illinois. According to today's paper, BCBS and other private insurers are requesting rate increases of up to 45% for policies offered under the ACA.

    I know so many people who are holding their breath, hoping nothing bad happens before they turn 65 and get Medicare.


    This will stir the pot (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 03:47:23 PM EST
    Church Ts opening line (none / 0) (#163)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 04:02:36 PM EST
    "Are we witnessing the complete unraveling of the Trump campaign and it's on again off again truce with the rest of the Republican Party?"

    Last I heard (2.67 / 3) (#1)
    by Redbrow on Sun Jul 31, 2016 at 09:47:20 PM EST
    Crimea democratically voted overwhelmingly to reject Ukraine in favor of Russia.

    Khan should have just kept quiet after his sucessful convention speech.

    He is starting to come off as an angry, unhinged islamist-terror denier. That won't play so well to most voters,

    your view is shared by (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Jul 31, 2016 at 10:46:30 PM EST
    almost no one.

    From the (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Jul 31, 2016 at 11:39:23 PM EST
    Wall St Journal:

    "Hillary Clinton was right when she called my son the best of America," he said. "If it was up to Donald Trump, he would never have been in America."

    He went on, saying that Mr. Trump "consistently smears the character of Muslims. He disrespects other minorities, women, judges, even his own party leadership. ... Donald Trump, you're asking Americans to trust you with their future." When he pulled a copy of the Constitution from his pocket, the audience roared. Soon, "Khizr Khan" was trending, and Twitter erupted with acclamation. His simple dignity and his family's sacrifice resonated.

    Full statements on the subject (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 08:28:28 AM EST
    From John McCain

    the Gold Star families

    They are dissecting him on Morning Joe


    VFW (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 01:12:49 PM EST
    Too bad they cheered him (none / 0) (#39)
    by jbindc on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 01:21:32 PM EST
    A couple of weeks ago.

    Better late (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 01:27:41 PM EST
    Than never

    i agree (none / 0) (#7)
    by linea on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 12:40:11 AM EST
    with the comment on Crimea as it is mostly ethnic russian (as i understand it)

    Is that now a prerequisite (none / 0) (#149)
    by Redbrow on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 02:51:32 PM EST
    On your forum?

    To only post opinions everybody agrees with?

    I hope it is not doomed to become yet another echo chamber.


    Welcome to Howe Caverns (none / 0) (#150)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 02:58:33 PM EST
    Abandon all hope ye who enter here.

    I think you're reading too much into it (none / 0) (#183)
    by ding7777 on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 06:53:23 PM EST
    it was just (another) opinion in disagreement with yours

    Kahn on CNN this morning: (none / 0) (#2)
    by Redbrow on Sun Jul 31, 2016 at 09:59:39 PM EST
    "What he (Trump) cites in the name of Islam, and all that -- that is not Islam at all! I wish he would have, somebody would have put something in his head that these are terrorists, these are criminals, these folks have nothing to do with Islam."

    The second comment (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 31, 2016 at 10:12:07 PM EST
    Seems to contradict the first.

    But that's just me.


    Right.. (none / 0) (#9)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 07:05:54 AM EST
    How does saying "these are terrorists, these are criminals" qualify one as a terrorism denier?

    You are like... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by desertswine on Sun Jul 31, 2016 at 10:13:47 PM EST
    the... worst... troll... evah.

    Go get some lessons or something.


    moslem terrorists (none / 0) (#94)
    by linea on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 11:00:00 PM EST
    religiously motivated adherents of islam. not criminals.

    ISIS - Dabiq Magazine, page 30: "Why We Hate You & Why We Fight You." Shorter version: Because you are non-believers. The invasions and bombings are secondary.

    it is simply obfuscating the truth for people to make comments like, "these folks have nothing to do with Islam."


    When Mr. Khan said (5.00 / 2) (#165)
    by Peter G on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 04:05:23 PM EST
    "These people have nothing to do with Islam," it is very clear what he meant, that is:  "These people have nothing to do with a proper understanding of Islam."  To pretend that what he meant was "These people are not motivated by their own religious understandings, which they label as Islamic," is as disingenuous as the claim that "Black lives matter" means "Only black lives matter" (rather than "Black lives also matter").

    seems like the (none / 0) (#191)
    by linea on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 08:13:36 PM EST
    no true scotsman fallacy to me.

    "moslem" (none / 0) (#95)
    by MKS on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 11:04:59 PM EST
    It is "Muslim."  

    If one is going to criticize a religion, it is important to get some basic facts correct.


    i googled it (none / 0) (#96)
    by linea on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 11:19:28 PM EST
    and you are correct. thank you.

    Moslems (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 07:24:37 AM EST
    Live in Eye-rack

    Or, as Thomas Jefferson called them, (none / 0) (#187)
    by Peter G on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 07:57:00 PM EST
    Mahometans. In the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli with the Ottoman Empire, which ended the war with the Barbary Pirates, President Jefferson and former President Adams, on behalf of the United States government, pledged no enmity with "Mussulmen," since "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

    And that (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 08:17:28 PM EST
    treaty and the war with the Barbary pirates is what the wingnuts are now using as an example of how "we've always been at war with Muslims". I guess it's like how we've always been at war with Eurasia kind of thinking.

    That comment is fascinating (none / 0) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 08:12:06 PM EST
    For so many reasons.

    Mussulmen?  Seriously?  Which even spell correct just tried to turn into mussel men.

    the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion


    And lastly, my last address before here was 4 years in a town named Mohamet.

    I never knew what it meant.  And may have no connection but it's weird.


    Religiously motivated adherent (none / 0) (#153)
    by FreakyBeaky on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 03:10:59 PM EST
    of a certain VERSION of Islam. That I'll grant. The Khan family clearly practices a different one; I assert the two versions have little or nothing to do with each other

    Read up on the biographies of the French and Belgian terrorists. They mostly don't seem to be (or have been) knowledgeable or devout about Islam, or any other religion.


    Well, last I heard, ... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 06:01:49 AM EST
    Redbrow: "Last I heard Crimea democratically voted overwhelmingly to reject Ukraine in favor of Russia."

    ... Austria and the Sudetenland back in 1938 also "voted overwhelmingly" to unite with Nazi-led Germany. And the colons of the French Algerian territories of Oran, Algiers and Constantine "voted overwhelmingly" as well on several occasions to remain an integral part of France.

    But here's a uniquely American example of how plebiscite results can be manipulated and distorted for political effect and public relations purposes.

    On July 27, 1959, 132,733 residents of the then-Territory of Hawaii "voted overwhelmingly" to ratify via plebiscite the congressional resolution approving U.S. statehood for the islands. "Overwhelmingly," because only 7,971 of those who participated that day voted "no."

    Not surprisingly, U.S. history books duly note that 94% of Hawaii voters approved that statehood resolution in 1959. However, a much closer examination of data from that particular period in fact reveals a far more complicated result.

    Per the State of Hawaii Data Book, voter turnout for the July 1959 general election was actually 171,383. Further, 30,639 (or 18%) of those who voted that day abstained from voting either "yes" nor "no" on the plebiscite itself, and simply voted for their legislative representatives in the general election, to which the plebiscite question had been attached.

    So, only 77% of those who voted that day actually approved statehood, per a territory-wide  plebiscite that was nominally conducted to satisfy the requirements of U.N. Resolution 742, which addressed the political disposition of colonial holdings and other non-governing territories around the world.

    I say "nominally," because the option of Hawaii's independence was never put to island voters on that July 1959 ballot, only the question of statehood. So, the plebiscite was never really a plebiscite at all, but a ballot question that was expressly designed to lead voters toward a desired outcome. And in that regard, the United State actually violated the provisions of U.N. Resolution 742.

    Now, here's where it gets somewhat more messy. Per that same State Data Book, Hawaii's population in the 1960 U.S. census was 632,772, and the number of eligible voters in Hawaii in 1959 was actually 381,859.

    And one thing that's never discussed in American history books is the fact that most non-white Hawaii residents in 1959 were at best ambivalent toward the concept of statehood, and an overwhelming majority of Native Hawaiians were abjectly hostile to the plebiscite, considering it an illegal vote.

    Thus, most non-white residents pointedly declined to participate at all in the statehood plebiscite. So, that means only 35.7% of Hawaii's eligible electorate at the time of the July 1959 plebiscite actually voted in favor of statehood. And it's been further estimated that about 45% of those who voted "yes" to statehood were Caucasians who had been living in the islands less than 20 years at the time of the plebiscite.

    I bring this example up not to relitigate the legitimacy of Hawaii statehood, which by this point is an accomplished fact, but rather to point out that plebiscite votes can be misleading indicators of actual public opinion as it exists at the time they are taken.

    With regard to the March 16, 2014 Crimea referendum, the results are even further problematic, given that no outsiders were allowed into that territory to observe that particular plebiscite, and that Russia itself conducted the election under the watchful eyes of some 25,000 occupying Russian troops. It's therefore no small wonder that our U.S. State Dept. openly refers to that vote as a "sham referendum."



    omg (none / 0) (#97)
    by linea on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 11:22:50 PM EST
    a ten paragraph essay on hawaii?

    If you don't want to read it, fine. (none / 0) (#100)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 03:11:38 AM EST
    Then please move on, along with that dense fog which envelopes you.

    Trumo's buddy (none / 0) (#11)
    by jbindc on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 08:00:05 AM EST
    The vile Roger Stone, doubled down and tweeted ths:

    Mr. Khan more than an aggrieved father of a Muslim son- he's Muslim Brotherhood agent helping Hillary

    He also had another tweet saying the Khans were from the same group  (Muslim Brotherhood) as Huma Abedin.

    What a despicable human being

    You know (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 08:43:02 AM EST
    I wonder if Hillary's campaign knew that Trump would have a meltdown over Mr. Khan considering the fact that you even mention Huma's name and they go into conspiracy theory overdrive.

    Roger Stone makes Trump (none / 0) (#25)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 09:45:01 AM EST
    look like Pope Francis..

    He has a life-size tattoo of Nixon's face on his back, which probably doesn't work as much of a turn-on for his swinger's club fellow members.


    Stone is one of the people (none / 0) (#26)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 10:00:43 AM EST
    who lend's plausibility to David Icke's theory of a reptilian race hiding amongst us.

    Trump grabbed it (none / 0) (#81)
    by MKS on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 08:56:48 PM EST
    Trump told a local Ohio television station today that he thought Mr. Khan was most disturbed about Trump's border policy screening out terrorists.

    See Big Orange Front Page diary for details.

    Just when you thought Trump had taken the advice to leave it alone.  He just cannot help himself.


    Long review with spoilers at (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 08:17:28 AM EST

    The team behind Ray Donovan reaches the halfway point of their fourth season with their best episode of 2016 and one of their best ever, period. Backed by Liev Schreiber's strongest performance since last year's Emmy-nominated season finale, "Fish and Bird" captures Ray's moral dilemma: Can a man who works for awful people remain good? In a sense, that's what the show has always been about. Ray is a man who cleans up messes and tries not to get dirty himself. His season-four predicament has reached a breaking point, with a fantastic A-plot strengthened by strong performances in the subplots by Paula Malcomson and Dash Mihok, among others. At times, this season still feels overwritten, but those missteps are outweighed by moments that rank among the series' best.

    Before Ray can go to the baptism, Sonia wants to show him something. It almost seems like some kind of art installation, as Ray sits back in a chair and the stars and sky fill the ceiling like a planetarium. Sonia is getting philosophical: "All that light, I'll be part of it soon enough." It's a callback to the use of Wilco's "California Stars" earlier in the episode. Everyone moves on, eventually. It's the one thing we all have in common. Sonia knows that Ray is different: "Even in ugly things, I think you see beauty," she says, before she takes off her top to reveal that she had a mastectomy on one breast. "Am I ugly?" she asks, before they kiss. It's overwritten, but at least it feels thematically connected to the rest of the show. Sonia hasn't really been adrift before now.

    I did watch Stranger Things (none / 0) (#30)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 11:49:59 AM EST
    on Saturday. Been down all weekend with a bad cold. Thoroughly enjoyed it - just the right tone for a summer show.

    Im a little worried about "The Night Of'...dragging a bit, IMO. I don't really like prison shows.

    Do you watch 'Mr Robot'?


    Funny (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 06:54:34 PM EST
    I'm recording Robot (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 12:01:41 PM EST
    I think The Night Of is dragging intentionally.  I think one of the goals of the series is to give people like us a tiny taste of the inside.  Dragging and all. There are so many amazing moments.  Like when he is being interviewed by the woman (who could not possibly be more indifferent) who asks him if he has any gang affiliations.  He says no.  She says, well, good luck with that.   And the moment last night when he thanked the brown skinned lawyer "just for talking to him like a person" I still love it.  I love the that TV lawyer quit.

    And seriously, even if it's just the finale, PREACHER.


    You're right, there are many moments (none / 0) (#71)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 07:30:23 PM EST
    that stand out. I just hope Stone finds the right dermatologist. Those scenes are good too. One crazy remedy after the next. I'm glad he is getting into solving the mystery.

    I gave up on Preacher. I might have the last episode on the DVR though, I'll check it out.

    Just watched 'Trumbo'. Great flick!


    It's worth it (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 07:32:07 PM EST
    Just for "God"

    I think, like (none / 0) (#122)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 12:15:12 PM EST
    the Captain, that the dragging is dramatically strategic--the time seems to fly by while we plod through aspects of the criminal justice system. The plea bargain before he judge was instructive. And, like you, I enjoy the dermatologist and his nostrums.  The itching stick is too realistic. Such a good series.

    I'm starting to think he did it (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 12:17:56 PM EST
    Pure speculation (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 12:25:21 PM EST

    The hardened inmates (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 12:32:35 PM EST
    Are one source of the speculation.  The one who offers him "protection" saying take the deal.  The one who attacked him with hot oil, seen now as a deranged psycho but possibly later as insightful and wise?

    Just a thought.  I hope I'm wrong.  I hope he is cleared and the lawyers feet clear up.  But so far it doesnt seem like "that kind of story".


    Another of my (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 01:29:44 PM EST
    speculations, is that we will never have the murder of the woman resolved--suspicions, but nothing conclusive.  Then, the story is really about a young, naive, big-eyed guy with industrial-strength bad luck.  Wrong time, wrong place.  Trusts a good cop who is really a bad cop. Listens to a bad lawyer who is really a good lawyer.  Not a criminal when entering jail, but a savvy jail house survivor, who does what he must.  Gee, maybe, I will try my hand at writing a new TV series.

    I tend to agree, (none / 0) (#128)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 12:55:49 PM EST
    we have not been introduced to other contenders, save for the dead woman's stepfather, who is suspicious but his character is underdeveloped--and, I don't think it will be like those old Charlie Chan movies, where the murderer is someone who just entered the story at the very end, a surprise to one and all. Also, the cat (now unclaimed in the rescue shelter) has to have something to do with resolving the mystery.  Part of the fun, is to try to figure all of it out, rather than sitting back and letting it unfold.

    Fwiw (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 01:00:44 PM EST
    Also (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 01:25:42 PM EST
    Remember the two guys, only one of which has been questioned that they had a nasty exchange with entering the house.  Red herring?  Maybe.  But still the most likely alt theory to me.

    I wonder how many (none / 0) (#18)
    by CST on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 08:54:22 AM EST
    Republican Senators vote for Clinton - even if they are publicly supporting Trump.

    I suspect the number is >1.

    Half the conversation this morning (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 09:01:50 AM EST
    Other than the Khans is the crazy contradictory things Trump said Sunday in the ABC interview about Russia.  There's so much I can't even summarize.  But it's rather unbelievable.  They show about a dozen examples of him directly contradicting things he has said many times before.  They are calling it the most disasterous interview by a presidential candidate anyone can remember.

    If it's up I will link.  If it isn't now it will be soon.


    Watch (none / 0) (#23)
    by jbindc on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 09:28:44 AM EST
    Brian Stelter of CNN practice actual journalism with a Trump spokesman.


    Sort of happening all over (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 09:30:50 AM EST
    It's like some of them realized this is serious.

    I'm home nursing a bad cold today (none / 0) (#27)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 10:27:43 AM EST
    You convinced me to turn on the TV.....

    Seems like reporters are finally taking him seriously.


    Fareed Zakaria (none / 0) (#40)
    by jbindc on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 01:24:08 PM EST
    "Clearly, he is ignorant and a bull$hit artist."

    Oh yes, he said that live on CNN.


    Narcissistic personality disorder... (none / 0) (#42)
    by desertswine on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 01:42:34 PM EST
    Mayo Clinic website...

    Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

    DSM-5 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder include these features:

    Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
    Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
    Exaggerating your achievements and talents
    Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
    Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people
    Requiring constant admiration
    Having a sense of entitlement
    Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
    Taking advantage of others to get what you want
    Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
    Being envious of others and believing others envy you
    Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner

    Many, many politicians (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 01:48:28 PM EST
    are diagnosable with narcissistic personality disorder. This is just (it seems) a rather extreme case.

    ... yesterday in which I had suggested that Trump was "sadistic" and a "sociopath," probably considering such labels potentially libelous, I'll refrain from diagnosing the guy psychologically here. Suffice to say that in my experience in this realm, the successful politician must have both a larger than average-sized ego and a very thick skin. Trump possesses only the former.

    Donald, it looks like we're both (none / 0) (#54)
    by fishcamp on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 03:29:31 PM EST
    skating on thin ice, but since I'm studying my ballot I might not get bounced.  and I only used one potentially libelous word.(weasel, weasel)

    Since Trump will sue anyone for anything, (none / 0) (#63)
    by midcenturymod on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 06:37:58 PM EST
    it's not really safe to discuss him at all so I hope Jeralyn stops worrying about it-he has put himself out there since he wants to be Prez, after all. I think John Oliver let everyone off the hook by finally saying what everyone already thought on HBO last night-that Trump is a sociopathic narcissist. I wish the media would do the same and stop being to timid.

    Mine too (none / 0) (#82)
    by MKS on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 08:57:58 PM EST
    Trump also fulfills at least (none / 0) (#46)
    by fishcamp on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 02:41:35 PM EST
    ten of the character traits of a sociopath, including the biggie, lack of remorse.

    The Nation (none / 0) (#37)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 12:54:22 PM EST
    Just picked up my (none / 0) (#51)
    by fishcamp on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 02:55:22 PM EST
    Democratic Party Official Primary Ballot for Monroe County, Fl.and naturally I don't know who everyone is.  The Senator and Congressman are easy, but I don't know the school board people or the judges, thankfully.  Maybe the gym guys will know...ha.

    Allegedly (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Nemi on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 06:42:08 AM EST
    Tad Devine has finally reemerged and been spotted ... in your state. Helping Bernie Sanders get back at and Tim Canova take down a woman.

    Same old, same old MO, from these guys.

    Btw, I wonder when Tad Devine actually stopped working for and cashing in from Bernie Sanders?


    Since the Bernie for President website (none / 0) (#109)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 09:06:14 AM EST
    is still asking for contributions, maybe Tad is still on the payroll.

    Heh, well (none / 0) (#120)
    by Nemi on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 12:14:02 PM EST
    I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn, that Tad Devine cashes in from both the Bernie Sanders and the Tim Canova campaigns. Already he must have made a fortune on this election.

    But I really don't like this anti woman much-more-than-just-a vibe, I get from both Bernie Sanders and his top advisors. In the gubernatorial elections in Vermont something similar seems to be going on, with Jeff Weaver endorsing a male over a female, even though both endorsed and campaigned for Sanders in the primary -- John Dean has endorsed her, Sue Minter -- and locals apparently wondering about whom Bernie Sanders will endorse. If any. The two comments to the blogpost are interesting.

    Don't know much about neither politics in Vermont or the linked blog/blogger, but the humorous, ironic 'tone' of the latter greatly appeals to me. :)


    Oops (none / 0) (#160)
    by Nemi on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 03:47:04 PM EST
    'John Dean' was supposed to read Howard Dean. :)

    ... and then vote for the other person. That would definitely work.

    That said, maybe I'm biased because over the years I've worked with many candidates and public officials who were themselves "down ballot" items, but we all really need to do a much better job at paying closer attention to those persons who are actually running in our local political races.

    We need to dedicate ourselves to actively opposing the batsh*t crazy while it's still in its political infancy -- that is, while it's incubating at the local elective levels in nascent candidacies for school boards, water / land commissions and municipal councils -- and not wait until it arrives at the Statehouse or on Capitol Hill before finally seeking to counter it.

    Just sayin', right-wing goofballs such as Louis Gohmert, Virginia Foxx, Trey Gowdy and Marsha Blackburn were all certifiable crackpots long before they got to Washington.



    What's (none / 0) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 06:16:41 PM EST
    really scary about Gowdy is he was actually elected solicitor. Can you imagine? Someone as incompetent as him being in charge of life and death cases. He'd be the type that would withhold evidence. He's evidence that the Peter Principle maybe isn't such a bad thing as he can do a lot less damage to people as one vote in the house than he could as solicitor.

    At least they're all Democrats on my ballot. (none / 0) (#76)
    by fishcamp on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 07:56:24 PM EST
    The two school board candidates got into a fist fight a couple of months ago at the Elk's club, so I'm not sure how to properly research them.  I do have phone numbers from all the political media the others have sent.  I'll find the right people to speak with, like the candidates themselves.

    That's easy. (none / 0) (#89)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 09:51:22 PM EST
    fishcamp: "The two school board candidates got into a fist fight a couple of months ago at the Elk's club, so I'm not sure how to properly research them."

    Find out which gentleman won the fist fight at the Elk's Club, and vote for him. (I'm assuming that they were men, because real ladies have catfights.)



    Tr@mp (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 06:37:53 PM EST
    It's a little scary to me (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 07:48:58 PM EST
    That there could be a 12 point swing in a national poll because of a convention.  That was CNN.  From Trump +3 before the DNC to Hillary +9 after.

    People really are sheep.

    I've seen (none / 0) (#79)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 08:50:10 PM EST
    a breakdown that had the previous poll as pretty questionable. Poll herding might be going on.

    Yeah, I never really believed that first poll (none / 0) (#83)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 09:06:22 PM EST
    Press loved it, but there were lots of conflicting polls.

    They are saying (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 09:15:26 PM EST
    That for the first time since they have been tracking such things the republican convention actually made people less likely to vote for Tr@mp.  There has always been a plus effect.  The amount varies but it's always been a plus.  With Donald it was -15.  The first negative number ever.

    From Gallup (none / 0) (#88)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 09:48:12 PM EST
    35% more favorable, 52% less favorable for the GOP.

    For Democrats it's 44 more favorable with 42% less favorable but it's also saying that this is the first time since they've asked the question that a convention has actually hurt a party and a nominee.

    I guess their whole strategy of having a convention turn into the Salem Witch Trials didn't play too well with the general public.


    Also (none / 0) (#102)
    by Nemi on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 07:00:44 AM EST
    as someone who watched the Dem Convention, the whole Convention, via livestreaming, with no interruptions and no comments, I loved it. Wonder what the polling had looked like, had they only polled pundit-free watching?

    Hunter S Thompson (none / 0) (#77)
    by fishcamp on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 08:23:43 PM EST
    From Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72

    "This may be the year when we finally come face to face with ourselves; finally just lay back and say it - that we are really just a nation of 220 million used car salesmen with all the money we need to buy guns, and no qualms at all about killing anybody else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable."

    I think HSTs funniest (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 08:36:14 PM EST

    available here as a free download

    It made me realize that I, as person with pretty much zero interest in sports, could love reading a sports writer.

    The Curse of Lono is about covering the Hawaii marathon.


    Actually that link is probably a waste of time (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 08:50:51 PM EST

    But you can download it if not free.  This is wiki

    The Curse of Lono is a book by Hunter S. Thompson describing his experiences in Hawaii in 1980. Originally published in 1983, the book was only in print for a short while. In 2005 it was re-released as a limited edition. Only 1000 copies were produced, each one being signed by the author and artist Ralph Steadman. Due to Steadman's popularity the book contained a large number of his drawings and paintings. The book is now available as a smaller hardcover edition.

    Plot    Edit

    Hunter S. Thompson receives a letter from the editor of Running magazine, asking him to cover the 1980 Honolulu Marathon, which the editor says should be "a good chance for a vacation". Hunter asks the illustrator Ralph Steadman to accompany him. On the flight over, he meets a man named Ackerman, who seems to have connections to the drug trade in Hawaii. Hunter covers the marathon with his characteristic gonzo style, weaving his own experiences into the coverage of the story. After the marathon, Hunter, Ralph and Ralph's family move to a rented beach side "compound" on Hawaii's Kona coast. The weather is miserable and they are trapped indoors, besieged by huge waves. Ralph and his family, upset about the terrible conditions of their vacation, return to England. Later, Hunter reunites with Ackerman to go fishing. Hunter eventually catches a huge Marlin, which he beats to death with a Samoan war club. The fishing boat returns to the dock, with Hunter screaming triumphantly, "I am Lono!", referring to the ancient Hawaiian god. After this, Hunter ends his story in the City of Refuge, hiding from those he upset with his antics at the docks. The story frequently breaks away to excerpts from The Last Voyage of Captain James Cook, which tells the story of the man the native Hawaiians thought was the reincarnation of Lono and was eventually killed by them when he overstayed his welcome on the island of Hawaii.

    Sad true fact-I had one of those Steadman autographed copied and I don't know what the hell happened to it.  It was one of my favorite possessions.  I think it was taken for spite in a divorce.


    That it even mentions the (none / 0) (#84)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 09:11:05 PM EST
    Honolulu Marathon makes me interested in tracking it down.

    You won't be sorry (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 09:15:56 PM EST
    Many used copies available for purchase (none / 0) (#90)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 09:56:07 PM EST
    and even a few new, most in the $15 to $20 range.

    The signed copies (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 10:08:06 PM EST
    Start at 750.00 and go up.

    %^#^+€>£¥ theiving ex.


    the boys at work (none / 0) (#98)
    by linea on Mon Aug 01, 2016 at 11:32:44 PM EST
    do Pokémon Go and talk about it all the time. they showed me and it's a kinda GPS thing.

    The first half hour of Morning Joe (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 07:42:34 AM EST
    Was a serious and wide ranging discussion of the possibility that Tr@mp, well, choosing my words here's... I was going to say that Tr@mp has really lost it but the truth is they never imply he ever had "it".  Based loosely on this WaPo OpEd by Eugene Robinson titled IS DONSLD TRUMP JUST PLAIN CRAZY?

    Scarborough talked about how a lot,  apparrently a LOT, of conservative politicians and bloggers, unprompted by any democrat influence, have begun to talk among themselves about how Donald is possibly unhinged or coming unhinged.

    It's not on the site or I would link.  The first video on the site cuts in at the point where they are talking about how he is going to lose because of this and down ticket republicans need to cut him loose now or go down with him.

    It was such a remarkable conversation I will be surprised if it does not show on YouTube or someplace.  If it does I will link.

    The GOP (none / 0) (#111)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 09:15:37 AM EST
    is certainly in a pickle with all this. It's a lose/lose either way or no matter what they do at this point. I'm not sure that it's not too late for any down tickets at this this point.

    If it weren't so aggravating and stressful (none / 0) (#112)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 09:47:31 AM EST
    to watch this unfold, I could be detached and clinically interested in it. Really a fascinating case study for future historians - what happens when pure, entitled ego thinks he should be president purely on the basis of his own perceived 'greatness'. And manages to convince 40% of a major national party he is right, by using the techniques of talk radio and other hucksters. It is a sight to behold.

    Congressman Richard Hanna (none / 0) (#113)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 10:11:16 AM EST
    A Republican representing the NY-22,wrote an op-ed that said this:

    In his latest foray of insults, Mr. Trump has attacked the parents of a slain U.S. soldier. Where do we draw the line? I thought it would have been when he alleged that U.S. Sen. John McCain was not a war hero because he was caught. Or the countless other insults he's proudly lobbed from behind the Republican presidential podium. For me, it is not enough to simply denounce his comments: He is unfit to serve our party and cannot lead this country.

    Secretary Clinton has issues that depending on where one stands can be viewed as great or small. But she stands and has stood for causes bigger than herself for a lifetime. That matters. Mrs. Clinton has promoted many of the issues I have been committed to over the years including expanding education and supporting women's health care.

    While I disagree with her on many issues, I will vote for Mrs. Clinton. I will be hopeful and resolute in my belief that being a good American who loves his country is far more important than parties or winning and losing. I trust she can lead. All Republicans may not like the direction, but they can live to win or lose another day with a real candidate. Our response to the public's anger and the need to rebuild requires complex solutions, experience, knowledge and balance. Not bumper sticker slogans that pander to our disappointment, fear and hate.

    Now, Congressman Hanna is retiring and not up for re-election, so he had a little more freedom to say this, bit maybe this will give others the courage and the push.


    It's fun watching republicans (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 12:08:49 PM EST
    Try to walk this line.  To manage this monster they created.  One of the things discussed this morning was that the first to do like the congressman above would be the ones retiring, or not up for election or in very safe districts.  But for the others they simply can not do it.  They are forced to do this delicate dance, like McCainwho issued this long tortured response yesterday, because if they don't they will alienate 60+% of the voting public and if the denounce Tr@mp their base will bring them down.

    They created Tr@mp with decades of lies and inflammatory rhetoric.  Now they are all the lady from Niger

    There was a young lady of Niger
    Who smiled as she rode on a tiger;
    They returned from the ride
    With the lady inside,
    And the smile on the face of the tiger.

    The tiger ain't the only one smilin


    The (none / 0) (#129)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 12:57:12 PM EST
    most hysterical one is Little Marco. He can't shine Trump's shoes and beg for forgiveness fast enough. I thought Christie was bad but Marco even tops him.

    Another thing discussed (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 12:14:23 PM EST
    This morning was that Tr@mp diesnt really want to win.   That the best possible outcome for him would be to lose by a small margin so he can forever say it was rigged, then go create a Trump media empire with Russian money.  Where he will never go away.  Where he will be looked to by the lax news people for everything to the response to the State of the Union to general "balanced reporting".

    My guess is that will happen no matter how large his margin of loss is.  He will be the deafacto leader of an effective third party.

    The Tr@mp party.


    That's how I interpreted his statement (5.00 / 3) (#168)
    by Peter G on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 04:20:38 PM EST
    that the general election will be "rigged."  That he doesn't expect to win, and doesn't really want to, but is already building the foundation on which he can eventually deny losing, which of course is the greatest and most unforgivable sin in his world.

    This is now up (none / 0) (#176)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 05:40:35 PM EST
    Warren Buffett (none / 0) (#107)
    by Nemi on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 07:48:20 AM EST
    launches Drive2vote site.

    Buffett said (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 09:10:57 AM EST
    he'd be riding in a trolley taking people to vote all day on Nov 8, hoping to make Omaha the congressional district with the highest percentage of people voting in the entire country.

    Hillary ahead in Utah (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 08:28:44 AM EST
    A new Hinckley Institute-Salt Lake Tribune poll shows the two are virtually tied with 35 percent for Donald Trump and 36 percent for Hillary Clinton. That is as close as a Democratic candidate has been to victory in more than half a century.

    Mormons can't stand Trump (none / 0) (#114)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 10:26:12 AM EST
    A big mouth.  Just viewed as icky.

    The recent nude photos of Melania will give most Mormons the vapors.  She will be viewed as a p*rn star.  

    So, the issue for Mormons in Utah will be which they view as worse:  legal abortion, or having a p*rn star and gross Trump in the White House.

    Many Utahns have probably gotten used to legal abortion--but not a p*rn star as First Lady.  But in the end, the antipathy to legal abortion will probably win out.


    Also, there are thousands (none / 0) (#115)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 10:28:59 AM EST
    of Returned Missionaries in Utah who served all over the world and in Latin America in particular.  Not so eager to deport 11 million people.

    Why would it give Mormons the vapors? (none / 0) (#117)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 11:49:38 AM EST
    Utahans are the most prolific consumers of online adult-oriented entertainment per capita in the entire country.

    It just does (none / 0) (#141)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 02:25:10 PM EST
    The LDS Church has emphasized the "evils" of p*rn.

    Liz Mair understood this when, just before the Utah Caucuses, her anti-Trump super pac sent around an email with Melania posing with portions blacked out to give the impression that she had posed nude--when she had not.  But that photo was a shot straight to the solar plexis of Utah Republicans.  Cruz won.

    You note the hypocrisy.   True, but still in terms of what is publicly acceptable or admirable--p*rn is not it.  The LDS women of Utah would especially find it offensive.  Just the way it is.


    The moral, or one of them.. (none / 0) (#145)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 02:39:27 PM EST
    When the angel Maroni instructs you, in no uncertain terms, to take a fourteen year old to wife, don't leave the camera running.

    Kinda (none / 0) (#166)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 04:06:01 PM EST
    I am just explaining why Trump is radioactive in Utah--and it is not because Utahns have had it with conservative positions.

    I got it (none / 0) (#175)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 05:31:03 PM EST
    Such public protestations on the Mormons' part has all the credulity of Capt. Louis Reynaud expressing his surprise to Major Strasser that Rick's Café harbors an illegal casino.

    We report, you decide (none / 0) (#167)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 04:13:14 PM EST
    Not justifying, just explaining.

    But, as has been explained to me, LDS Church leaders ask young men in their interviews whether they view p*rn, and if they do, they typically must postpone their missions.

    Up to you how you judge such things.

    It is a unique subculture, and being from the West, I am more fluent in "Mormon" than most.

    To belabor the obvious, Utah is not turning blue anytime this century.   It is conceivable that through the quirk of Trump, enough Mormons vote Johnson or not at all to tip the state to Hillary--this time and this time only.

    Dems should not waste any time there.  Arizona has better short term and long terms prospects.


    I'm from the West, too. (none / 0) (#177)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 05:43:56 PM EST
    Further, we have a very substantial Mormon presence residing in Hawaii, which comprises about 7% of our overall state population and is the largest per capita outside of Utah. Most reside on the island of Oahu, but there is also a large Mormon community here in Hilo.

    We even have our very own branch campus of Brigham Young University on Oahu's North Shore, which has an enrollment of about 4,000 students. If you've been to Oahu and visited the Polynesian Cultural Center up in Laie, it's jointly owned by the Mormon Church and BYU.

    So, I'm very familiar with the Mormons.


    Yep (none / 0) (#178)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 05:53:07 PM EST
    And Hawaii was the first state the Mormon Church took its anti-marriage agenda.   Terrible mistake politically.  

    One would think that a church under criticism for non-standard marriages would not try to stigmatize and outlaw other "non-standard" marriages.   They have since thrown in the towel on such efforts.


    Initially, it worked in 1998. (none / 0) (#180)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 06:30:56 PM EST
    The Mormon Church finally had its teeth broken on marriage equality 10 years later, when church leaders tried to bankroll California's Prop. 8 on the sly and got caught.

    Interestingly, the initial public disclosure of the LDS scheme in California came in the form of a backlash from many of its own members, who finally grew weary of having been repeatedly shaken down over the prior decade for millions of dollars, through their leaders' constant debasement and demonization of the LGBT community.

    The malcontents finally started voicing their dissatisfaction with that particular church doctrine in public. It was at that point when we started seeing surprisingly significant numbers of "Mormons for Equality" defy their church elders by marching in gay pride parades, particularly in San Francisco and L.A.

    That's why the LDS leadership finally threw in the towel. They were actually starting to lose their rank and file on the issue, which some have since attributed to those increasing numbers of gay Mormons who started coming out to their families and friends in the wake of Prop. 8.

    As the late Harvey Milk had predicted nearly 40 years ago, it's becomes a lot harder for you to accept and tolerate demonization of the LGBT community, upon your own realization that they're disparaging a member of your family or targeting a close friend. At that point the issue becomes personal to you, and the notion of homosexuality is no longer such an abstract and foreign concept.



    And I live about twenty miles (none / 0) (#179)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 05:54:41 PM EST
    from where the Angel Bonie Maroni made his first appearence..

    For years my friends and I have talked about making up a new series of "golden tablets" and hiding them in the woods in Palmyra around the time of the Hill Cummorah Pageant.


    If you've (none / 0) (#186)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 07:24:01 PM EST
    ever read the book A Gathering of Saints you would realize that you might get away with doing that as long as you were able to make them look authentic.

    That book made me realize that the Mormons have got some bizarre theology.


    Modern day Kinderhook plates (none / 0) (#198)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 08:48:46 PM EST
    Would it work again?

    Funny.. (none / 0) (#140)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 02:24:13 PM EST
    I had heard that internet pron was yuuuge in Utah..

    Polygamous pron probably, with a lot of long beards and bonnets and aprons..


    And a new Arizona poll ... (none / 0) (#174)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 05:26:46 PM EST
    ... has Hillary Clinton ahead in that state as well, 45-42%, with Gary Johnson pulling down 4%.

    Need some vapors here, (none / 0) (#119)
    by fishcamp on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 12:09:33 PM EST
    It's 90 and raining.

    And some skeeter (none / 0) (#158)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 03:36:19 PM EST
    Repellent.  Hope you got good screens.  

    Zika zika zika  


    No problem, those Zikas (none / 0) (#188)
    by fishcamp on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 08:00:30 PM EST
    are 100 miles away from me...

    Them ninja skeeters (none / 0) (#192)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 08:15:04 PM EST
    Can fly 100 mi without breaking a sweat.   Do mosquitos sweat?

    Oh Dear God.... (none / 0) (#126)
    by vml68 on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 12:35:06 PM EST
    What's the over under (none / 0) (#131)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 01:02:32 PM EST
    He bought that on eBay

    Read on another site that Louis Dorfman (none / 0) (#136)
    by vml68 on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 01:46:13 PM EST
    told journalists that it was a copy.
    So, one of them is lying. Would love to find out that Dorfman lied to Trump :-)!~

    He always wanted to get the Purple Heart (none / 0) (#137)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 01:56:36 PM EST
    Well..he didn't want to get it that much..

    Maybe about as much as Dick Cheney and Rush wanted to get it.


    In his warped mind, he probably thinks (none / 0) (#143)
    by vml68 on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 02:31:34 PM EST
    he deserves a Purple Heart for this.

    In a 1997 interview with shock jock Howard Stern, Trump talked about how he had been "lucky" not to have contracted diseases when he was sleeping around.
    "I've been so lucky in terms of that whole world. It is a dangerous world out there. It's scary, like Vietnam. Sort of like the Vietnam-era," Trump said in a video that resurfaced Tuesday on Buzzfeed, "It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier."

    Then I'm (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 03:09:04 PM EST
    Freakin Napoleon

    A soldier (none / 0) (#144)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 02:33:38 PM EST
    against what? The clap?

    An army of one.. (none / 0) (#147)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 02:47:11 PM EST
    acting under orders from a much much smaller army of one.

    What does it mean when someone.. (none / 0) (#134)
    by desertswine on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 01:35:04 PM EST
    gifts you a purple heart.  Is it the same as the "four feathers?"

    Probably (none / 0) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 01:44:51 PM EST
    That the guy has an annuity for life

    its just symbolic (none / 0) (#182)
    by ding7777 on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 06:50:50 PM EST
    Tr@ump was wounded in the aftermath of the Islamic "vicious attack" on him



    From our "Fringe Seeking Benefits" file: (none / 0) (#127)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 12:36:16 PM EST
    Why is Dr. Jill Stein, physician and erstwhile Green Party presidential candidate, so desperate for public attention that she'll stoop to dog-whistling the anti-vaccination crowd in order to get some? Needless to say, Dr. Stein's peers in the medical profession are generally not amused by her latest antics.

    For its part, the Stein campaign is now vigorously denying that its candidate is an anti-vaccination nutball. But in all candidness, that's really not the charge being leveled against her.

    Rather, the concerns being expressed about Dr. Stein are in regard to her apparent willingness to promote for political purposes the disparaging and dangerous narrative that the FDA's vaccine approval and regulatory processes are somehow inherently corrupt and therefore untrustworthy -- a superficially appealing but otherwise baseless argument which has long been a common staple amongst anti-vax yahoos.


    Nina Turner, Sanders' (none / 0) (#139)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 02:07:37 PM EST
    surrogate during the primary, was offered the  vice presidential running mate slot on the Green Party, but she turned it down.  Still has not endorsed Hillary Clinton.

    Nina Turner was really incredibly annoying. (none / 0) (#142)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 02:26:08 PM EST
    And now, her willful self-marginalization has rendered her irrelevant to the present discussion. Thank heavens for small favors.

    ... as her running mate Anjama Baraka, a human rights activist who's denounced Barack Obama and Loretta Lynch "members of the petit-black bourgeoisie," and has further noted that Bernie Sanders is less interested in political reform than he is in a "commitment to Eurocentrism and normalized white supremacy."

    LOL! Well, I guess she could do worse than Nina after all!


    From our "Ooh! Ooh! Me, too!" file: (none / 0) (#146)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 02:42:15 PM EST
    Herr Oberleutnant Chris Christie emerges from his bunker during a lull in the shelling to shoot the wounded from the rear.

    I assumed that was (none / 0) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 03:07:32 PM EST
    A response to the Simpsons Trump episode now making the rounds in which in a flurry of commands he says "and make Chris Christie eat a worm.   Just for fun"

    Re Donald Tr*mp (none / 0) (#169)
    by Nemi on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 04:27:55 PM EST
    foreseeing -- or more likely making a preliminary 'CYA' in case of a loss -- a rigged election, case in point Ohio:

    All U.S. states periodically cleanse their voter rolls, but only a handful remove voters simply because they don't vote on a regular basis. And nowhere could the practice have a greater potential impact in the state-by-state battle for the White House than Ohio, a swing state that has backed the winner in every presidential election since 1960.

    Voters of all stripes in Ohio are affected, but the policy appears to be helping Republicans in the state's largest metropolitan areas, according to a Reuters survey of voter lists. In the state's three largest counties that include Cleveland, Cincinnati and Columbus, voters have been struck from the rolls in Democratic-leaning neighborhoods at roughly twice the rate as in Republican neighborhoods.


    Republican party officials at the local and national level, as well as the Trump campaign, did not respond to requests for comment.

    Don't ever think it can't get better (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 05:15:33 PM EST
    get that baby outta here

    At first, the GOP presidential nominee told the parent not to worry about the baby. "I love babies," he added.
    However, moments later, while the baby was still crying, Trump stopped his speech to ask the parent to leave.
    "Actually I was only kidding, you can get the baby out of here," Trump said. "I think she really believed me that I like a baby crying while I am speaking"

    Tim Huelskamp IS LOSING!!! (none / 0) (#201)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 09:10:36 PM EST
    Updated: U.S. Rep. Tim Huelskamp's campaign has asked all media to leave its election night watch party in Hutchinson.

    Campaign volunteer Steven Howe told members of the media that it is a private party, and that campaign staff will let reporters know when the congressman will be available.

    Howe says it is "out of respect for the congressman until we know more."

    Updated at 8:50 p.m.

    If it's Tuesday its Election Day and although it has not yet been called it looks like the tea party darling is losing to a saner republican

    Huelskamp election called (none / 0) (#202)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 02, 2016 at 10:38:23 PM EST
    he's done

    Roger Marshall, described as an establishment type, will be the nominee.