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Thanksgiving Ritual: Alice's Restaurant Open Thread

It's Thanksgiving! Progressive radio stations around the country will be playing Arlo Guthrie's 18 minute version of Alice's Restaurant, about his trip down to White Hall St. in lower Manhattan to sit on the Group W bench and wait until he was told if he was fit for induction into the Army to go fight in Vietnam.

KBCO in Boulder is commercial free all day, and will play Alice's Restaurant at noon and again at 6 p.m.

Does anyone besides me still have a hardcover edition of her 1969 Alice's Restaurant cookbook in their kitchen? It's filled with tasty recipes and very easy instructions. [More...]

As for why the song still resonates with liberal activists (and their progeny) after all these years, Professor Ira Chernus, Professor of Religious Studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder, explained a decade ago (reprinted in 2013):

It isn’t just to recapture our lost youth (though perhaps there is nothing wrong with that). It’s also because we were young at a very special time, when it seemed that the whole world would soon shed its aging body, worn down by war and greed and dehumanization, and regain its lost youth.

Never again, we believed, would anyone be arrested for littering. Never again would anyone be fined fifty dollars and have to pick up the garbage. Never again would anyone be injected, inspected, detected, infected, neglected and selected by their government to join the army, burn women, kids, houses, and villages.

Soon, we believed, the whole world would be full of loving people who would take out the garbage whenever it needed to be taken out, bring it down to the city dump, then go back home to have a dinner that couldn’t be beat. And not just on Thanksgiving, because we believed that every day would be Thanksgiving. Every day we would feel awestruck and thankful for the little miracles of life, like sharing food and song with people we love. Every day, we would do just a bit more to right the world’s wrongs, to make sure that justice was really blind. And all the while, we would remember to laugh and play with the pencils there on the Group W bench.

Well, it hasn’t worked out quite that way, yet. The world keeps doing all kinds of mean, nasty, ugly things. But kid, it’s never too late to “rehabilitate” yourself, to start once again creating enough of a nuisance and singing loud enough to end war and stuff. If you’ve been doing it for 40 years, or more, I bet you are prepared to do it for another 40 years. I bet you still have high hopes that we can “REHABILITATE” the world. I bet you’re not proud -- or tired.

The golden age of the 1960s is long gone, but anything is still possible. So perhaps you can get anything you want, as long as you remember to sing it the next time it comes around on the guitar -- with feeling. Because it is, indeed, a movement: The Alice’s Restaurant Let’s Give Thanks and Remember Why We Started Doing This and Why We Keep On Keepin’ On Movement.

I had a wonderful Thanksgiving Eve dinner at the parents of the TL kid's long-time girlfriend (edited to reflect that they aren't actual soon to be inlaws yet, and I wasn't making an announcement about them, but about successfully avoiding the topic of the election) -- 10 of us and 5 dogs -- and not one person uttered one word about politics, the name of the UnPresident Elect, the election or anything related. (The hosting parents are a lovely couple, but very conservative. Their children were initial Sanders or Hillary supporters and ultimate Hillary supporters.) So it can be done, and it's actually a great experience because we all ended up sharing much more about what's going on in our lives instead of talking about those peoples' lives.

This is an open thread, tell us about your day, and anything else you want to talk about.

And don't forget to give a listen to Arlo.

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    I'm glad you had (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 24, 2016 at 02:36:47 PM EST
    a lovely Thanksgiving Jeralyn and congrats up on the upcoming wedding.

    My oldest son invited a friend who had nowhere to go for Thanksgiving. So there were five of us and we had turkey, dressing, corn pudding, sweet potato casserole, green beans, cranberry apple casserole and rolls. We are now stuffed!

    I didn't mean (none / 0) (#13)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 25, 2016 at 12:53:02 AM EST
    "soon to be" in the official sense, they're not "engaged" yet, so there's no wedding being planned. They live together and have for a while.

    Parent
    See my comment (none / 0) (#20)
    by Peter G on Fri Nov 25, 2016 at 10:38:53 AM EST
    #18, below.

    Parent
    Alice's resturant (5.00 / 6) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 24, 2016 at 06:02:29 PM EST
    Local edition

    Partly as a plan to have a really good reason to avoid the family today, politics among other things, this year I volunteered to help with the annual free Thanksgiving lunch at the school lunchroom.  
    It was an interesting experience.  It's mostly coordinated by the local churches but a lot of people had no relationship,or interest in one, with the churches but we're just there to do something "good".  I showed up about 9 and just got home.

    The food was surprisingly good.  And varied.  It was all brought by the local ladies.  Of course the staples were made in mass.  Turkey, ham, stuffing etc.  but lots of other stuff in smaller amounts.  I did not presume to bring food.  I left that to the specialists.  Mine was mostly grunt work.

    It's free with accepted contributions.  But there really was very little attention paid to the contribution box.  Even tho it got pretty full.  There was clearly a lot of people who would not have had anything special to eat today.  Or maybe much of anything to eat.  Some old.  Some families.  Some "other".
    It was basically a very rewarding thing to spend the day doing.   And had the benefit of getting me away from the family.  I recommend it.

    I am now home drinking heavily and watching the Star Trek marathon.  Which is pretty much what I would be doing if I had spent the day with the relations.  Minus the bad aftertaste.    

    It will be at least a year before I want to see or smell a turkey.

    Happy thanksgiving.


    Thank you for giving (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Towanda on Thu Nov 24, 2016 at 11:36:44 PM EST
    that Thanksgiving to others.  The grunt workers make it all possible.  

    Parent
    Happy Thanksgiving, Capt. You've been missed! (none / 0) (#7)
    by vml68 on Thu Nov 24, 2016 at 08:36:11 PM EST
    Happy belated b'day too.

    Parent
    hey (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 25, 2016 at 06:42:16 PM EST
    when you miss me i have a listed email address!

    Parent
    Welcome back (eom) (none / 0) (#17)
    by jmacWA on Fri Nov 25, 2016 at 05:42:22 AM EST
    After our dinner for ten, including (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Peter G on Thu Nov 24, 2016 at 09:01:18 PM EST
    two 19-yr-old foreign students (neither of whom had ever experienced an American Thanksgiving dinner, and both of whom pitched in enthusiastically with the cooking and baking) and a 22-yr-old US political exile from her own father's dinner table, our 26-yr-old Youngest Daughter insisted on bringing out my old 33 RPM copy of Alice's Restaurant to play (and explain) for everyone. I was very touched. Two of our best friends also came by, with their 25-yr-old son, to join us for dessert. We have run the dishwasher three times today, and made coffee three times. There is still a lot of pie and pumpkin bread left to enjoy tomorrow, as well as turkey leftovers of course. The student from China had thirds of the fresh Brussels sprouts pan-fried with sage and currents.

    U.S.Political Exile (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by MKS on Fri Nov 25, 2016 at 02:11:02 PM EST
    I love it!

    I did Thanksgiving myself this year for our family.  Last year was just horrid. So, this year I was going to do it myself and make it nice for sure.  I started the day before with Turkey, homemade gravy and pie baking.   And finished Thanksgiving day with mash potatoes from scratch and fresh baked rolls.  It was really nice because I am not a cook but over the years I had picked up from family members  past and present how to make a dish or two.

    So, I could remember my Mom when I made gravy the way she used to.  And so on for various family members. Family thought it was good.  No drama.  Just nice time with family.

    And so it was nice for the memories, including the new (nice) one yesterday.  

    Parent

    I tried to watch some CNN this morning (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 25, 2016 at 02:19:31 PM EST
    Just can't. It all sounds ridiculous

    Parent
    I dont watch the news (none / 0) (#23)
    by MKS on Fri Nov 25, 2016 at 03:06:10 PM EST
    Better to avoid the horror show.

    Parent
    Haven't watched or read since Nov 9 (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Coral on Sat Nov 26, 2016 at 01:31:18 PM EST
    Too much anxiety and heartache. This is truly the most horrifying political event of my lifetime. Magnified by the response of formerly respectable new organizations--and many Democrats who I once admired.

    Parent
    I think (none / 0) (#40)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 26, 2016 at 07:07:08 PM EST
    I'll pick back up reading.  Novels.  History.  Or historical novels.

    I'll get the news from a quick online cruise.

    Parent

    We had the news (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 26, 2016 at 07:17:33 PM EST
    come up on our echo and Trump came on making a statement. I started laughing.

    Parent
    I have some filters on what I'm (none / 0) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 27, 2016 at 01:37:41 AM EST
    Letting in. Gratefully many of my bloggy tweety friends are taking things in stride better than I am and they put up reading links that for the most part have been worth my attention.

    Parent
    "Soon to be in-laws"? (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Towanda on Thu Nov 24, 2016 at 11:33:36 PM EST
    Congratulations to the mother of the groom.  It's a great role.  And have fun finding a great dress!

    Uh oh, I didnt mean (none / 0) (#15)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 25, 2016 at 12:56:59 AM EST
    official -- I'm going to have to change that to the parents of his significant other or something.

    Parent
    Our term for that relationship was (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Peter G on Fri Nov 25, 2016 at 10:11:55 AM EST
    "outlaws," since for lack of legal relationship the parents of live-togethers are not "in-laws."

    Parent
    Aha. Well . . . (none / 0) (#27)
    by Towanda on Fri Nov 25, 2016 at 07:20:40 PM EST
    go get a great dress, anyway!

    Parent
    Towanda, I'm reading the WI recount is on (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 25, 2016 at 09:07:45 PM EST
    And some disturbing discrepancies were adjusted the minute i