Paul Ryan: Medicare Killer

Paul Ryan, who has always planned to privatize and gut Medicare, now says Donald Trump is on board. You can hear Ryan say he's already talking about it with Trump this Fox News interview.

He says overhauling Medicare is more of a priority than social security (which he says he has not discussed with Trump.)

If Republicans in Congress attempt to gut Medicare, there will be riots instead of protests. Starving Grandma is acceptable to no one.

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    Paul Ryan (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by linea on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:10:19 PM EST
    is a true believer. it's not over until america is a Libertarian Utopia free of the shackles of government interference (like somalia).

    Josh Marshall (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by MKS on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:19:40 PM EST
    picked up on this really quick.  

    In the aftermath  of the 2004 election, when liberals were demoralized, he was instrumental in defeating W's plans to privatize Social Security.

    Trump, (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 05:53:13 AM EST
    the "anti-establishment", seems to have been captured by the establishment Republicans. Trump may add or subtract a little something if he can focus long enough, but Ryan and McConnell will capitalize on his ignorance of policy and legislation. Medicare conversion to coupons is a Ryan dream.  Medicare has all the value to Trump as a bargaining chip in deal-making.  

    Pence now heads (none / 0) (#13)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 08:43:53 PM EST
    transition team.

    Trump will delegate much to him it appears.


    Elections have (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 08:58:47 PM EST
    Consequences. Let's see oir resident trump apologists explain this one.

    They will explain it as the fault of liberals (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Molly Bloom on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:17:00 AM EST
    How do they explain everything?

    We need to push back early and often on every issue. We also need to articulate what we are for, not just against and it needs to e short and pithy.


    Yes, Liberals/Democrats, if (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:23:22 AM EST
    The toddlers use the cutlery to poke their eye out, it's our fault.

    Do not turn the CIA (none / 0) (#14)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 08:44:40 PM EST
    into the Gestapo.  No torture.

    Too late! (none / 0) (#43)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 16, 2016 at 10:00:12 AM EST
    The CIA has participated in, condoned, and trained others in torture tactics for over 50 years.

    even the Tea Party (none / 0) (#7)
    by The Addams Family on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 01:35:29 PM EST
    demanded a hands-off policy on Medicare

    & during the primary, Trump bucked the rest of the GOP by opposing cuts to Medicare

    we'll see what happens

    as MKS reminds us, the pushback against W & his "political capital" regarding Social Security was swift & effective after the 2004 election

    I think ryan et al (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 02:35:59 PM EST
    Are past the point of caring and into more ideology. Look at Kansas

    btw, Jeralyn (none / 0) (#8)
    by The Addams Family on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 01:54:24 PM EST
    in a number of places, including my neighborhood, there are already "riots instead of protests," & these riots are being staged against the disliked outcome of an uncontested election ("Not my president!") rather than against anything that would actually be legally & politically contestable, such as radical changes to Medicare

    in the circumstances, as a matter of rhetorical responsibility, you need to ratchet up the phrase "riots instead of protests" to account for whatever can top a riot

    I have Latino family (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 07:25:33 PM EST
    That have moved from fightened to angry. These protests are at their core about the hate, racism, sexual assault nature of Donald Trump. I don't think they are going to get better either unless Donald apologizes, puts the emboldened KKK down, ends his misogyny and sexism. Because I don't believe he's emotionally capable of any of that I accept we're screwed.

    His past biographers agree that he loves rallies and he will hold more rallies. If he does, people will die. HE DID THIS, NOBODY ELSE.


    The news coverage (none / 0) (#10)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 05:23:47 PM EST
    Has not mentioned "riots", they use protests instead.
    Although the Washington Post (surprisingly) did use riots when describing the Portland situation.

    The vast majority (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 06:48:24 PM EST
    Are protests. But then they represent the majority of Americans

    I don't think (none / 0) (#15)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 08:46:56 PM EST
    people will accept deporting 11 million people, or the persecution of Muslims, or engaging in torture.

    your comment is directed at me (3.00 / 2) (#21)
    by The Addams Family on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:36:39 PM EST
    & so i will respond

    again (see above), protesters & rioters in my neighborhood & elsewhere are openly & unambiguously challenging the legitimacy of an uncontested US presidential election because the outcome has displeased them (that is what it means to say, "Not my president!")

    the question of rioting aside, i'm sure we can all agree on the protestors' First Amendment right to assemble freely for the purpose of spewing & disseminating illiberal, undemocratic rhetoric

    this is not an open thread, & so i'll say no more except to apologize for going off topic


    The FBI just thew the election (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:55:12 PM EST
    Hillary will still end up winning the popular vote by, it's currently looking like, 2 million or 2 points.

    Talk about rigged.


    "FBI just threw the election" (none / 0) (#24)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:55:43 PM EST
    Hillary's Strategy Threw the Election (none / 0) (#28)
    by RickyJim on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:53:43 PM EST
    Instead of attacking Donald's personality and behavior she should have attacked, point by point, his platform, especially the economics.  There were plenty of one liners for her to use.  EG "You want to pay 40% more for Asian goods you buy at Walmart", get a teeny tax cut while the top 1% in income take 47% of it and want Miami under water?  Then Vote Trump".  Who needs more coal when we are producing so much more natural gas?  Where was the "It's the (future) economy, stupid" in this campaign?  I'm afraid constantly reminding the voters about Alicia Mercado didn't go over very well, even in Kansas.

    Maybe or maybe not, Comey had an effect but that is only because it was so close in the states that usually vote Democratic.


    Another myth (none / 0) (#42)
    by FlJoe on Tue Nov 15, 2016 at 04:06:19 PM EST
    the media absolutely refused to cover policy and as far as I could tell the public was not clamoring for it. If elections were decided mainly on policy the modern day GOP would probably not exist.

    Trumps boorish, bullying, bigoted rhetoric and behavior was always the center of gravity of this  since this whole ugly mess began. With the gleeful enabling of the media it became black hole from which no mere policy position could possibly escape.



    Not "spewing (none / 0) (#22)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:44:39 PM EST
    illiberal undemocratic rhetoric."

    Protesting the stated Trump objective of deporting 11 million and re-instituting torture, among other things. Righteous expression.


    And all the talk (none / 0) (#25)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:20:21 PM EST
    Prior to the election,

    Was whether The Donald would accept the results of the election

    Shoe is now on the other foot


    Yes, I know, ha-ha (none / 0) (#26)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:30:28 PM EST
    the joke is on us.  Who knew the FBI would throw the election.

    But not a joke to the 11 million, Muslims, those who have Obamacare....and many others....


    It'snot a joke (1.00 / 1) (#29)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 06:03:59 AM EST
    The FBI did not throw the election.
    Face facts, your candidate was woefully unprepared for the 2008 election, losing all the caucus states, and learned nothing from it.
    in 2016, it is common knowledge that there is a Electoral College, that should not have surprised her or her campaign. They did not plan or campaign properly, or took some states and votes for granted.

    Perhaps a lesson learned for both parties, no matter how much someone thinks they are owed a nomination, if there is a ongoing federal investigation into their actions, you do not give them the nomination, you let the enthusiastic base legitimately choose the candidate.


    Sure, because it was so close (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by MKS on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 10:17:20 AM EST
    Hillary could have won if she had done things differently--perhaps.

    But is there any real doubt that if Comey never sent his letter, Hillary would have won?  In other words, but for the Comey letter, Hillary wins.  As it was, she almost overcome the Comey letter.

    And, it looks like Hillary will have a clear win in the popular vote of about 2 points.  Or 2 million votes.  There are more of us than of you.  Keep that in mind.


    That is not (none / 0) (#16)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:07:54 PM EST
    Going to happen, and has been walked back many times already.

    Border security will be ramped up, a lot.

    And those with a criminal felonious history here illegally, will be deported when found.


    Border security has already (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:12:07 PM EST
    been ramped up.  There is no issue of illegal immigration as with have had negative immigration since 2008.  Total GOP propaganda that there is an issue with illegal immigration.

    This is serious.  I go by what Trump says.  

    I will hide undocumented in my home if needed.


    Maybe not (none / 0) (#18)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:20:00 PM EST
    The Associated Press

    About 150 Border Patrol agents will be deployed to South Texas from Arizona, California and elsewhere to help process a spike in immigrants who have been apprehended after illegally entering the U.S., federal officials announced Saturday.

    Agents from Tucson, Arizona, and San Diego will be temporarily reassigned to the Rio Grande Valley, and agents working another portion of the Texas border will join them, U.S. Customs and Border Protection said in a statement.



    Just moving assets (none / 0) (#19)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:28:14 PM EST
    from one location to another.   Still no real evidence that net immigration is up.

    And, I find fear of Latino immigrants less and less tolerable.  Latino immigrants come here at great physical risk, work their asses off in jobs the WWC will not do, and give their money to their families.  The cream of the crop.

    The people to fear are not the undocumented, but the intolerant who want a deportation force.  I will resist.


    Resist peacefully (none / 0) (#20)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:31:12 PM EST
    To be specific ... (none / 0) (#38)
    by FreakyBeaky on Mon Nov 14, 2016 at 02:07:20 AM EST
    ... Latino immigrants do jobs that Americans who can be bothered to show up to work on time and pay attention to wtf they are doing when they are there won't do because they have better opportunities. Latino immigrants "steal" those jobs from WWC who are irresponsible bums no one would hire anyway.

    So trump was (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:46:38 PM EST
    Lying again?

    What don't you get? (1.00 / 2) (#30)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 06:09:06 AM EST
    Trump is not a Republican!  He has no ideology.
    He has been a Democrat from the 1980's on, for the most part. He has donated to both parties ,and willfully admits it was to have access granted and favors produced.
    He is a negotiator, a businessman.
    Some of his campaign promises he will be held to, but most of them, if he has to , he will negotiate them away in order to get something down.

    C'mon, Obama told some outrageous campaign whoppers on the trail that were out and out lies. The whole ObamaCare debacle


    Trump is a Republican. (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 02:37:59 PM EST
    No, he has not been a Democrat from the 1980's on. In the 1980's he was a Republican. He was a Republican until George W. Bush IIRC. Then he was a Dem until 2008 and since 2008 he has been a Republican. So the majority of the time he has been a Republican. Pretending otherwise is dishonest and apparently you think the GOP is so stupid they would elect a Democrat as their own party nominee.

    Trump's problem is that his voters think he's going to deliver big time.

    Of course now you're excusing lying all the while you were attempting to smear Hillary.

    Trump is your guy. You own him.

    Today he picked a fight with the NYT saying he did not say something. Does he not realize that there are things on tape and in print that can prove him wrong? But I think with the rubes they are going to take whatever he tells them.


    Lol (1.00 / 1) (#35)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 05:54:41 PM EST
    you think the GOP is so stupid they would elect a Democrat as their own party nominee.

    Trump's problem is that his voters think he's going to deliver big time.

    NO, that is his voters problem, Trump will do whatever he sees fit.

    Especially if he figures on only doing 4 years anyway


    Okay. Well, you've spent (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 06:58:52 PM EST
    a lot of your time defending the stupid party then. Yeah, well, I agree that his voters have been fleeced. Too late smart for them I guess.

    He's not going to quit after four years. If he was going to quit he'd quit before then. I would not be surprised to see the GOP use one of his many court cases as a reason to get rid of him. Too bad Pence is just as bad and worse in some cases. He is big on torturing gay teenagers. I would say though that Trump will get a primary opponent in 2020.


    Stupid Party? (1.00 / 1) (#37)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 08:24:31 PM EST

    There is a competition for that.
    What party not only nominates someone under FBI investigation?
    Clears the primary field of almost every candidate
    Then rigs the primary for its favored candidate, whom is not trusted by 60% of the country
    Who has lost the Senate, House, White House and the states (Gov and legislature)


    You're (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 14, 2016 at 06:54:14 AM EST
    the one Trevor that said that the GOP was stupid enough to nominate a democrat not me. I've always said Trump is a Republican. It seems that you can't accept that the GOP is now the party of neo nazis and white supremacists. You're the one in complete denial not me. I voted with the majority.

    No party (none / 0) (#41)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 14, 2016 at 09:22:06 PM EST
    What kind of person makes idiotic claims like that?




    And if so, Trump will prove (none / 0) (#33)
    by MKS on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 10:18:55 AM EST
    he is just another lying politician and his base will be furious.  Could happen.  

    But I think he dances with the one who brung him.


    The country's hope (none / 0) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 08:22:07 AM EST
    is that Trump is not a man of his word.

    Then there is some hope (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by jondee on Mon Nov 14, 2016 at 01:17:11 PM EST