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Paul Ryan: Medicare Killer

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 08:48:48 PM EST
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Paul Ryan, who has always planned to privatize and gut Medicare, now says Donald Trump is on board. You can hear Ryan say he's already talking about it with Trump this Fox News interview.

He says overhauling Medicare is more of a priority than social security (which he says he has not discussed with Trump.)

If Republicans in Congress attempt to gut Medicare, there will be riots instead of protests. Starving Grandma is acceptable to no one.

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    Paul Ryan (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by linea on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:10:19 PM EST
    is a true believer. it's not over until america is a Libertarian Utopia free of the shackles of government interference (like somalia).

    Josh Marshall (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by MKS on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 09:19:40 PM EST
    picked up on this really quick.  

    In the aftermath  of the 2004 election, when liberals were demoralized, he was instrumental in defeating W's plans to privatize Social Security.

    Trump, (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 05:53:13 AM EST
    the "anti-establishment", seems to have been captured by the establishment Republicans. Trump may add or subtract a little something if he can focus long enough, but Ryan and McConnell will capitalize on his ignorance of policy and legislation. Medicare conversion to coupons is a Ryan dream.  Medicare has all the value to Trump as a bargaining chip in deal-making.  

    Pence now heads (none / 0) (#13)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 08:43:53 PM EST
    transition team.

    Trump will delegate much to him it appears.

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    Elections have (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 11, 2016 at 08:58:47 PM EST
    Consequences. Let's see oir resident trump apologists explain this one.

    They will explain it as the fault of liberals (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Molly Bloom on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:17:00 AM EST
    How do they explain everything?

    We need to push back early and often on every issue. We also need to articulate what we are for, not just against and it needs to e short and pithy.

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    Yes, Liberals/Democrats, if (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:23:22 AM EST
    The toddlers use the cutlery to poke their eye out, it's our fault.

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    Do not turn the CIA (none / 0) (#14)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 08:44:40 PM EST
    into the Gestapo.  No torture.

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    Too late! (none / 0) (#43)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 16, 2016 at 10:00:12 AM EST
    The CIA has participated in, condoned, and trained others in torture tactics for over 50 years.

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    even the Tea Party (none / 0) (#7)
    by The Addams Family on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 01:35:29 PM EST
    demanded a hands-off policy on Medicare

    & during the primary, Trump bucked the rest of the GOP by opposing cuts to Medicare

    we'll see what happens

    as MKS reminds us, the pushback against W & his "political capital" regarding Social Security was swift & effective after the 2004 election

    I think ryan et al (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 02:35:59 PM EST
    Are past the point of caring and into more ideology. Look at Kansas

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    btw, Jeralyn (none / 0) (#8)
    by The Addams Family on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 01:54:24 PM EST
    in a number of places, including my neighborhood, there are already "riots instead of protests," & these riots are being staged against the disliked outcome of an uncontested election ("Not my president!") rather than against anything that would actually be legally & politically contestable, such as radical changes to Medicare

    in the circumstances, as a matter of rhetorical responsibility, you need to ratchet up the phrase "riots instead of protests" to account for whatever can top a riot

    I have Latino family (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 07:25:33 PM EST
    That have moved from fightened to angry. These protests are at their core about the hate, racism, sexual assault nature of Donald Trump. I don't think they are going to get better either unless Donald apologizes, puts the emboldened KKK down, ends his misogyny and sexism. Because I don't believe he's emotionally capable of any of that I accept we're screwed.

    His past biographers agree that he loves rallies and he will hold more rallies. If he does, people will die. HE DID THIS, NOBODY ELSE.

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    The news coverage (none / 0) (#10)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 05:23:47 PM EST
    Has not mentioned "riots", they use protests instead.
    Although the Washington Post (surprisingly) did use riots when describing the Portland situation.


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    The vast majority (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 06:48:24 PM EST
    Are protests. But then they represent the majority of Americans

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    I don't think (none / 0) (#15)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 08:46:56 PM EST
    people will accept deporting 11 million people, or the persecution of Muslims, or engaging in torture.

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    your comment is directed at me (3.00 / 2) (#21)
    by The Addams Family on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:36:39 PM EST
    & so i will respond

    again (see above), protesters & rioters in my neighborhood & elsewhere are openly & unambiguously challenging the legitimacy of an uncontested US presidential election because the outcome has displeased them (that is what it means to say, "Not my president!")

    the question of rioting aside, i'm sure we can all agree on the protestors' First Amendment right to assemble freely for the purpose of spewing & disseminating illiberal, undemocratic rhetoric

    this is not an open thread, & so i'll say no more except to apologize for going off topic

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    The FBI just thew the election (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:55:12 PM EST
    Hillary will still end up winning the popular vote by, it's currently looking like, 2 million or 2 points.

    Talk about rigged.

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    "FBI just threw the election" (none / 0) (#24)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:55:43 PM EST


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    Hillary's Strategy Threw the Election (none / 0) (#28)
    by RickyJim on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:53:43 PM EST
    Instead of attacking Donald's personality and behavior she should have attacked, point by point, his platform, especially the economics.  There were plenty of one liners for her to use.  EG "You want to pay 40% more for Asian goods you buy at Walmart", get a teeny tax cut while the top 1% in income take 47% of it and want Miami under water?  Then Vote Trump".  Who needs more coal when we are producing so much more natural gas?  Where was the "It's the (future) economy, stupid" in this campaign?  I'm afraid constantly reminding the voters about Alicia Mercado didn't go over very well, even in Kansas.

    Maybe or maybe not, Comey had an effect but that is only because it was so close in the states that usually vote Democratic.

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    Another myth (none / 0) (#42)
    by FlJoe on Tue Nov 15, 2016 at 04:06:19 PM EST
    the media absolutely refused to cover policy and as far as I could tell the public was not clamoring for it. If elections were decided mainly on policy the modern day GOP would probably not exist.

    Trumps boorish, bullying, bigoted rhetoric and behavior was always the center of gravity of this  since this whole ugly mess began. With the gleeful enabling of the media it became black hole from which no mere policy position could possibly escape.

     

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    Not "spewing (none / 0) (#22)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 09:44:39 PM EST
    illiberal undemocratic rhetoric."

    Protesting the stated Trump objective of deporting 11 million and re-instituting torture, among other things. Righteous expression.

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    And all the talk (none / 0) (#25)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:20:21 PM EST
    Prior to the election,

    Was whether The Donald would accept the results of the election

    Shoe is now on the other foot

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    Yes, I know, ha-ha (none / 0) (#26)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 12, 2016 at 10:30:28 PM EST
    the joke is on us.  Who knew the FBI would throw the election.

    But not a joke to the 11 million, Muslims, those who have Obamacare....and many others....

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    It'snot a joke (1.00 / 1) (#29)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Nov 13, 2016 at 06:03:59 AM EST
    The FBI did not throw the election.
    Face facts, your candidate was woefully unprepared for the 2008 election, losing all the caucus states, and learned nothing from it.
    in 2016, it is common knowledge that there is a Electoral College, that should not have surprised her or her campaign. They did not plan or campaign properly, or took some states and votes for granted.

    Perhaps a lesson learned for both parties, no matter how much someone thinks they are owed a nomination, if there is a ongoing federal investigation into their actions, you do not give them the nomination, you let the enthusiastic base legitimately choose the candidate.

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    Sure, because it was so close (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by MKS on Sun Nov 13, 2016 a