Yom Kippur: Day of Atonement and Open Thread

Yom Kippur began at sundown last night. It is the holiest Jewish holiday. A time to fast, pray and repent.

Yom Kippur means "Day of Atonement" and refers to the annual Jewish observance of fasting, prayer and repentance. Part of the High Holidays, which also includes Rosh HaShanah, Yom Kippur is considered the holiest day on the Jewish calendar. In three separate passages in the Torah, the Jewish people are told, "the tenth day of the seventh month is the Day of Atonement. It shall be a sacred occasion for you: You shall practice self-denial."(Leviticus 23:27). Fasting is seen as fulfilling this biblical commandment. The Yom Kippur fast also enables us to put aside our physical desires to concentrate on our spiritual needs through prayer, repentance and self-improvement.

Yom Kippur is the moment in Jewish time when we dedicate our mind, body, and soul to reconciliation with God, our fellow human beings, and ourselves. We are commanded to turn to those whom we have wronged first, acknowledging our sins and the pain we might have caused. At the same time, we must be willing to forgive and to let go of certain offenses and the feelings of resentment they provoked in us. On this journey we are both seekers and givers of pardon. Only then can we turn to God and ask for forgiveness: “And for all these, God of forgiveness, forgive us, pardon us, and grant us atonement.”

To those of you observing the holiday, G’mar Chatimah Tovah - May You Be Sealed for a Good Year (in the Book of Life). (I hope I got that right.)

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Blessed holiday Jeralyn. (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by fishcamp on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 07:21:56 AM EST

    Go Cubbies! (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 12:09:23 PM EST
    I've been missing from here due to so many competing activities like watching baseball till 3 am!!!  It has been quite a great week for this diehard, despite the lack of sleep. That 9th inning last night was one for the books.

    Bring on the Dodgers or the Nats, it matters not. It's our year!!!

    You're lucky... (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 06:16:54 PM EST
    Ya dodged the Met bullet;)

    Good luck the rest of the way...but I don't see Jobu or his rum on your mantle!


    Oh snap! (none / 0) (#93)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 02:26:39 PM EST
    On Tebow...

    In short, there's absolutely no baseball justification for Tebow to be here.

    He ought to fit in perfectly on the Mets then.

    Don't get cocky! (none / 0) (#9)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 01:29:11 PM EST
    Testing the fates (or goat) - not a good thing with the Cubbies!

    She built an alter (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 03:50:25 PM EST
    I'm not kidding

    Is that so wrong? (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 06:04:18 PM EST
    I have added to it, but here is most of it!

    Just some memorabilia I thought I should surround myself with this month!


    And you can see the ghost of me and the dog (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 06:06:28 PM EST
    in the reflection in the TV. Good thing I had clothes on. I don't dance n*ked before the altar to break the curse of the billy goat.

    That is one impressive altar, ruffian. (none / 0) (#48)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 08:10:42 PM EST
    And as a cradle Catholic I have some altars in my time. Well done.

    Thank goodness for the three days rest. I really need it.


    Worst moment was the 8th inning last night (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 06:17:05 PM EST
    When I realized I might have done all that work for only a few days worth of enjoyment. Unacceptable!!!

    No! But you can probably get away with (none / 0) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 06:47:51 PM EST
    Some cocky.  Your juju is sorted out

    My son-in-law has even more (none / 0) (#43)
    by Towanda on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 07:57:14 PM EST
    Cubbies memorabilia, now displayed not only in the tv room aka mancave but also in the nursery of my first grandchild -- including an official "Rookie of the Year" certificate for newborns from the Cubs.  

    Yeh, it's a thing.  Also a onesie and a cap.  The Cubs' marketing is brilliant.

    And heaven help us, we will be visiting and near Wrigleyville this weekend.  We are gonna see some crazy.


    Towanda, more yuper talk (none / 0) (#59)
    by fishcamp on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 07:31:52 AM EST
    I love your upper peninsula words...

    Many years ago I created a Cubs fan by (none / 0) (#62)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 10:05:51 AM EST
    giving my friend a Cubs onesie for his newborn son! Kid is about 12 now and pulling for the Cubs even though he has never lived anywhere near Chi-town.

    Have fun this weekend! I am seriously considering a road trip just to hang out up there during the WS (IF - not getting cocky!)


    What? (none / 0) (#61)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 08:03:48 AM EST
    No bobbleheads? No game worn Ryno jerseys?

    Well, you know there were some lean years.... (none / 0) (#63)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 10:06:28 AM EST
    Last night's game was quite, well, let's (none / 0) (#14)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 02:56:16 PM EST
    say,  exhilarating. The Cubs are nothing if not determined. Now they get three days of rest and home field for Saturday's game with the Dodgers/Nationals.

    I have to keep reminding myself to breathe during these games. And I cannot allow myself to think any further ahead than the next game. One game at a time; one game at a time.

    Go, Cubs!!!


    The time zone difference is killing me (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 06:09:11 PM EST
    The game Monday night did not end until about 2:30 am here. Last night it was midnight. I have been dragging in late every morning, so I am glad to get a break tomorrow!

    So I have had a mix of stress and exhaustion, usually giving in to sleepiness around the 7th, and waking up in the 9th to see the end...which might go on another 2 hours! Well worth it though.


    good luck! (none / 0) (#64)
    by CST on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 11:10:48 AM EST
    I'm still sad you guys stole Theo from us, but if he gets the Cubs to break their streak - I guess I can let it slide.

    It'll be the Dodgers. (none / 0) (#88)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 11:58:00 PM EST
    They rallied with four in the seventh to eliminate the Nationals, 4-3. The series starts Saturday.

    Go, Dodgers!


    Oh, it's ON baby! (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 07:03:23 AM EST
    My prediction: Cubs will win in five. (none / 0) (#94)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 03:19:22 PM EST
    But I'll offer one caveat here. The Cubs need to pounce quickly and establish control. They do NOT want to stumble out of the starting blocks, as they did against the Dodgers in the first two games of the '08 NLDS at Wrigley Field.

    Dodger ace Clayton Kershaw will not be available until the series shifts to L.A. The Cubs don't want to head west trailing in the series, and give him an opportunity to slam the door on them. Because as Kershaw showed in Games 4 and 5 of the NLDS with the Nationals, he can and he will.

    The longer the Cubs allow the Dodgers to hang around in this series and think they have a shot, the greater the chance that my Boys in Blue could wind up swiping destiny right from under the North Siders' noses.

    That said, I believe the Cubs are due.


    While I hate to (none / 0) (#97)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 03:48:22 PM EST
    go against some of my favorite females on this blog, I've always been a Dodger fan, being from the west coast and all.  Am I doomed ladies?

    Why are all three Florida college teams playing at the same time?  The Gators are playing on channel 611 on Direct Tv and it is hundreds of channels away from the Canes and Noles games.  


    For one hopeful moment tonight, ... (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 04:50:17 AM EST
    ... it looked like the Dodgers were going to surprise the Cubs, tying it up 3-all in the top of the 8th. Then the roof caved in at the bottom of the inning.

    L.A.'s tweaked their rotation and are sending their ace Clayton Kershaw to the mound to start Game 2. I think it's a big gamble to start him on short notice because if the Dodgers don't win, they're down in the series 2-zip and he probably won't be available until Game 5. But if they do, they'll have accomplished their goal of at least getting a split at Wrigley before coming home.

    We'll see what happens tomorrow.


    Not so much a matter of starting on (none / 0) (#103)
    by Peter G on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 12:45:27 PM EST
    "short notice" as on short rest, I think. Of course, I'm not a sports expert, so I could be wrong about this.

    And it's not one that I think I'd take, were I Dodgers' manager Dave Roberts. If it pays off and the Dodgers tie up the NLCS, he'll be hailed as a genius. But if it doesn't, the Dodgers will be limping home to L.A. down two-love, with their rotation's second tier having to bail them out and the fans second-guessing the manager's wisdom.

    One thing about baseball, though, and especially in the playoffs, is that the hero is sometimes the most unlikely of guys, so you just never know.

    The other day on the Dodgers' cable station SportsNet LA (which we get out here in the islands), recently-retired broadcaster Vin Scully shared a story about the great 1965 World Series between the Dodgers and the Minnesota Twins, in which the Twins had roughed up both Don Drysdale and Sandy Koufax in the first two games, respectively, to take a commanding 2-0 lead.

    With Manager Walter Alston's two aces now sidelined after having delivered two consecutive feeble outings, most notably marked by Koufax's very public refusal to pitch Game 1 on Yom Kippur, which forced Alston to quickly alter his rotation, the Dodger skipper handed Game 3's ball to a gloriously average pitcher named Claude Osteen, and simply asked him to do his best.

    Osteen -- whose had finished 15-15 that '65 season, and whose career record was 196-195 -- responded to Alston's understated challenge by pitching what Scully called "the game of his life." After giving up a double on his very first pitch to leadoff hitter Zoilo Versalles, he allowed only four more hits the rest of the way, handcuffing the hardest hitting team in major league baseball with a complete-game shutout, 4-0.

    Osteen's magnificent performance that fall afternoon in Los Angeles not only staunched the bleeding but proved to be the turning point in the World Series, and the Dodgers rallied to beat the Twins in seven games.

    That why we love this game. It ain't over 'til it's over.


    GO, CUBS!!!!! (none / 0) (#98)
    by caseyOR on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 07:21:10 PM EST
    Beat the Dodgers!!

    Former Miss Arizona ... (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Yman on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 12:16:29 PM EST
    ... confirms that Trump would barge into their dressing room while the contestants were changing.  Also retorted he did the same thing to the Miss Teen USA contestants,  some of whom were as young as 15.

    I used to just chuckle when a Republican would claim to be the party of "family values".  After Trump, I'm going to laugh right in their face.

    And one of the Teen USA girls mentioned it to (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 12:57:23 PM EST
    Ivanka, and her reply was allegedly, 'Yeah, he does that'.



    And they're worried about... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 01:48:09 PM EST
    transgendered women in the women's dressing room...get a load of this f*cking guy!

    Yep, exactly. (none / 0) (#30)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 06:11:09 PM EST
    The New York Times tomorrow (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 07:07:12 PM EST
    has statements from two more women -- one groped, one kissed in the manner Tr*mp described in that tape.

    'Like an octopus, his hands were everywhere.' (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 07:37:04 PM EST
    So says Jessica Leeds, now 74, about the time 30 years ago when she had the misfortune of flying with Trump on the same airplane. And for its part, the Campaign from the Bowels of Hell is now threatening to turn former President Bill Clinton into the second coming of Bill Cosby.

    Because the islands are already in the tank for Hillary Clinton, Hawaii Democrats have zeroing in on Nevada and Arizona voters with our phone banking. And on those calls, the women we're talking to are absolutely livid and incensed over the very idea of Trump as GOP nominee. No small wonder he's losing them by almost 30 points -- and that gap may well increase over the next four weeks.

    We're in the home stretch. Let's keep our eyes on the prize.


    This is one of the most fascinating aspects (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 07:55:15 PM EST
    of Tr*mp's pathological narcissism, to accuse others of what he, himself is so transparently guilty of. This includes his persistent accusations of lying against HRC, of having no policy position on this or that, of "viciously attacking" women, and so forth.

    He said today that Hillary violated his (none / 0) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 08:07:11 PM EST
    Space at the last debate. That's his response the hulking stalking stills and videos of himself. And the crowd goes wild? How can so many just be out of their minds?

    ... sums up the Trump campaign's logic at this juncture:

    "You want me to think that you don't want me to go down there, but the subtle truth is that your really DON'T want me to go down there!"

    LOL! We may be on the verge of witnessing something truly epic and perhaps even historic. It's very rare when we get to see a party's entire political campaign become enveloped by its own dust cloud and disintegrate in real time.

    Another week's slide like the last two, coupled with a third straight horrific debate performance by Trump in Las Vegas, and the U.S. House will be in play if it isn't already. That's why Speaker Ryan pulled away from him. The GOP majorities on Capitol Hill are in real trouble, and he knows it. It's everyone for him/herself. The Senate looks lost to them, and they're trying to save the House.

    Should be very interestihg.


    Not to mention his (none / 0) (#51)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 09:10:12 PM EST
    accusations against Bill.

    Rick Lazio (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 07:53:05 PM EST
    attempted the same thing and he didn't have half the problems Trump does.

    And now more. If all are invited (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Towanda on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 08:00:25 PM EST
    to the next debate, like Trump did . . . well, by that time, it better have a larger venue.

    Not that I think that Trump will do the debate, unless Bannon and the boyz come up with even more ways to humiliate Clinton.  

    That's all that Trump has got left, and he has got to punish the woman who is defeating him.


    I think Trump will attend the debate (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 09:12:23 PM EST
    as I believe he and Bannon think Trump will win, polls are rigged and inaccurate, etc. And the duo will continue to "build" the brand they will carry into the next Dem administration as they will continue to instigate hate and political agitation based on falsehoods.

    Do you think there will be a third (none / 0) (#57)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 10:18:21 PM EST
    debate? I'm beginning to think not.

    lol. (none / 0) (#72)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 02:52:07 PM EST
    I'm beginning to care not.

    IMO, it's all over but the embarrassment.


    FL voter registration date (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 12:58:39 PM EST
    extended by the courts by a week, due to the disruption caused by Hurricane Matthew, despite the efforts of Gov Scott.


    And remember (5.00 / 5) (#11)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 02:19:56 PM EST
    Republicans vote on November 28.

    Hah! As soon as I heard (none / 0) (#13)
    by Yman on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 02:34:13 PM EST
    ... that Trump was telling his supporters to get to the polls on Nov. 28th, I couldn't help but think of the SNL skit with Hillary offering to give her 2 minutes of response time to Trump.

    Bigly (none / 0) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 03:38:19 PM EST
    Freudian slip (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 06:13:16 PM EST
    that happens to be the court date for the Trump U lawsuit in front of Judge Curiel. I think it is safe to say that is on his mind and he has moved past the election on some level. Of course he will continue to slash and burn his way to the end.

    Signs of the Coming Apocalypse, Wingbat Ed.: (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 04:59:40 PM EST
    A new poll of likely voters conducted by AZ Central shows Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio trailing Democrat Paul Penzone by 10 points, 51-41% -- and this survey was conducted BEFORE the U.S. Justice Dept. announced that it was pursuing criminal contempt charges against the incumbent.

    Most of my women friends (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 09:49:11 PM EST
    Emotionally exhausted tonight from the continued Trump pervert revelations and I suppose the reactions of his supporters. Everyone spent. Be well all. Get rest.

    Bob Dylan (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 07:47:08 AM EST
    wins Nobel Prize, big smile on my face.

    Attorney for NYTimes (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 01:56:23 PM EST
    responds to Trump's attorney who asked for a retraction of the Times article reporting unwanted sexual accounts of women.   The Times declined to do so, explaining that the essence of libel is the protection of reputation--nothing in the article would affect a reputation already self-sullied. And, if Trump believes differently, the Times welcomes the opportunity for a Court to set him straight.  

    Heheh! Love the hashtag :) (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by Nemi on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 07:47:47 AM EST
    Charles P. Pierce ‏@ESQPolitics
    Hacked E-Mails Seem To Indicate Clinton Planning How To Get More Votes. #icanhazPulitzernow?

    Will Donald... (none / 0) (#2)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 10:50:19 AM EST
    make the call for us to atone for our sins against him?  And maybe god, but mostly him;)

    The 1973 Yom Kippur War (none / 0) (#3)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 11:35:10 AM EST
    was the seed of the only meaningful Peace that region has seen.  I'm not counting Dictatorial Detente.

    In a NYTimes op ed, (none / 0) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 11:53:27 AM EST
    (October 12,2016), Bruce Blair, research scholar at Princeton University and founder of Global Zero, an anti-nuclear group, recalls his experience as a launch officer in Montana, when his crew received an emergency message to prepare for nuclear war with the Soviet Union, during the 1973 Yom Kippur war.  Mr. Blair believes that Trump is dangerous and does not have the temperament to be let anywhere near the nuclear keys.

    Proxy war in Yemen... (none / 0) (#12)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 02:24:53 PM EST
    is heating up as today was the second time in a few days that US warships were fired upon with cruise missiles by Iranian/Russian backed rebels.

    You just know we're going to have to retaliate.

    MSNBC report here.

    Or in lieu of missiles upon missiles... (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 03:37:06 PM EST
    we could bring our warship back to our shores, where no one would fire upon it.

    Oh yeah K, that's what they'll do ;) (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 03:40:25 PM EST
    A man can dream ;) (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 03:58:30 PM EST
    Ron Paul recently said Jill Stein is probably the best choice as far as foreign policy is concerned.

    Poor Gary Johnson must feel like Fredo Corleone right now.


    Gary Johnson is so dumb. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 04:45:59 PM EST
    How dumb is Gary Johnson? He's so dumb that if the media asked him to name the biggest foreign hot spot right now, he'd answer, "Hands down, it's gotta be Berghain in Berlin on a Saturday night."

    They swatted it away (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 03:46:51 PM EST
    Somehow our broken military......

    Retaliation has transpired (none / 0) (#73)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 02:54:41 PM EST
    U.S. Launches Missile Strikes In Yemen In Retaliation For Attacks Against Navy Ship

    WASHINGTON, Oct 13 (Reuters) - The U.S. military launched cruise missile strikes on Thursday to knock out three coastal radar sites in areas of Yemen controlled by Iran-aligned Houthi forces, retaliating after failed missile attacks this week on a U.S. Navy destroyer, U.S. officials said.

    The strikes, authorized by President Barack Obama, represent Washington's first direct military action against suspected Houthi-controlled targets in Yemen's conflict.

    They just took out radar sites (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 03:05:22 PM EST
    I'm fine with it

    About time (none / 0) (#82)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 07:26:22 PM EST
    From our "I'll get you, my pretty" file: (none / 0) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 03:54:54 PM EST
    After Nate Silver recently released a survey which showed that while Trump was being soundly rejected by women, he'd be winning handily if only men were allowed to vote, some of his supporters have taken to Twitter with a new hashtag, #repealthe9th -- as in the 19th Amendment, which granted women the right to vote upon its ratification 96 years ago.

    I tell ya (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 05:03:30 PM EST
    they are doing nothing but pushing more and more women to be sure to go to the polls.

    Bill Clinton is asking us to (none / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 05:40:00 PM EST
    Not reciprocate the road rage :) Dude, that's the hardest thing for me.

    Remember what Napoleon once said: (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 07:40:32 PM EST
    Never interfere with your opponents when they are in the midst of destroying themselves.

    Sorry, Bill, but the 19th Amendment (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Towanda on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 08:03:32 PM EST
    cannot mean to you what it does to me.

    If needed, I will take it to the streets -- as my foremother had to do to win it for me.

    But so far, the twitterers behind #Repealthe19th haven't left their mothers' basements.


    Even Flo's Progressive Insurance ads ... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 08:36:43 PM EST
    ... are taking dead aim at these crazy wingbats:

    "Tom -- TOM! They're just commercials."

    "Or ARE THEY???"

    "You're waking the neighbors."

    "Mom, maybe the neighbors need to be woke!"

    "I think it's actually 'awoken.'"

    "You know, that doesn't sound right."

    "No, I'm pretty sure it's 'awoken.'"

    (Disgusted, Mom turns out the basement light on the two clowns and heads back upstairs.)



    Do the #RepealThe19th tweets (none / 0) (#55)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 10:14:51 PM EST
    strike anyone but me as ironic fakes, coming from anti-Tr*mp folks mocking his supporters? In a particularly clever way, also, by highlighting that his hatefulness toward women will, in the end, be his undoing? That's the feeling I get. He's being trolled with irony.  After all, neither he nor his supporters have ever heard of "the Nineteenth Amendment." Ok, now I'm out on that limb. Let's see what develops.

    I hope so Peter (none / 0) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 10:18:05 PM EST
    I'll bring up the possibility with friends. Some women are very upset tonight.

    Including two of our three daughters (none / 0) (#58)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 10:27:42 PM EST
    The third one (oldest), all in the mid-20s to early-30s age range, thinks I might be right.

    Snopes does its usual excellent job (none / 0) (#100)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 11:22:27 PM EST
    Honestly, based on my own long experience ... (none / 0) (#65)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 11:46:59 AM EST
    ... in politics, I don't think it is. While I won't completely discount the possibility of what you're saying, the suggestion nevertheless strikes me as far too clever by half.

    Operatives in the Nixon White House and campaign during the 1970s had a term for that sort of counterintuitive activity: "Ratfcking." And with rare exception, Democrats tend to shun the practice -- not out of any sense of common decency, mind you, but rather because we're really not very good at it.

    Given the open misogyny and unabashed sexism displayed by Trump himself, his campaign and his supporters, it might be wise to not underestimate their innate capacity for expressing such ignorance, stupidity and contempt for women.



    I have to agree (none / 0) (#107)
    by Towanda on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 02:05:30 PM EST
    as I have read many of the tweets, and too many are all too sincere in their hatred of women as voters.

    Indeed, many are all too reminiscent of the records from the early 1920s of the campaign then to repeal the 19th -- finally decided by the Supreme Court, at great cost to the suffragists' organizations, especially the renamed League of Women Voters.

    That had impact on their planned campaign to get out the vote, the new women voters.  So, the antis won, in a way.  That can be instructive in watching the actions of the antis today, too.


    I know. He said (none / 0) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 06:42:25 PM EST
    when they pour poison down your throat and then something else. Maybe you remember the whole statement :).

    They sure are pouring poison down everybody's throat on social media. It's really ugly seeing a major political party destroying itself. Some of them are realizing that they've been lied to for a long, long time now. It's like watching a train wreck. The worse the poll numbers for Trump get the worse the meltdowns.


    The crazy dog ladies telling me (none / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 06:50:05 PM EST
    The misogyny is okay.  It's not real. Hey...now they want to take away your right to vote crazy dog ladies :)

    Truly how (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 07:13:14 PM EST
    are you sane? I don't know if I had all those wacko dog people and then the wackos that live around you I might be shutting down about right now.  

    I have been unfriended :) (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 08:03:20 PM EST
    Soon we will be out of here though.

    I think Drumpf is cooked (none / 0) (#53)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 09:18:50 PM EST
    Receipts and bookings at his hotel and golf properties are down significantly, the Trump University suit is proceeding, as will the rape case, and the NY AG investigation. He may rue the day he ever decided to run for office.....

    There are times when one (i.e., me) (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 12, 2016 at 05:32:01 PM EST
    might even feel embarrassed to be a white man. On the other hand, one (i.e., ... nevermind) might be proud (once again) to be in a minority of that decreasingly powerful group, and allied with the winning coalition. Nothing deplorable about that.

    For the GOP, the hits just keep on coming. (none / 0) (#66)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 12:38:23 PM EST
    A New Jersey state judge has issued a summons for Gov. Chris Christie in the G.W. Bridge case, with the potential implication that Christie himself may now be a target in the state's own investigation of the scandal. (The current trial of Christie's two former aides is taking place in federal court.)

    Yep (none / 0) (#67)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 01:11:18 PM EST
    Although it's up to the county prosecutor (a Christie appointee) to decide whether to seek an indictment.

    What are the odds of him refusing himself?


    It appears to be a private criminal complaint (none / 0) (#75)
    by Peter G on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 03:38:08 PM EST
    Requires the DA's approval. Not likely. Legally speaking, it looks like a stunt to me.

    That depends upon the prosecutor, doesn't it? (none / 0) (#79)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 06:04:46 PM EST
    Granted, the man who first filed the complaint, Bill Brennan, is a local community activist who's presently being tarred and feathered by Gov. Christie's press secretary as a "known serial complainant ... with a history of abusing the judicial system." And since I don't live there, I don't know Brennan and further, really have no way of knowing whether there's any merit to the  press secretary's public statements about him.

    But doesn't the fact that Bergen County Judge Roy McGeady even issued the summons against Gov. Christie in the first place, indicate that the judge himself has determined that there's probable cause in this matter to warrant further investigation by the prosecutor's office? I mean, wouldn't McGeady have the authority to dismiss Brennan's complaint if he felt it to be a politically motivated stunt?

    I know that New Jersey state legislators have suspended their own respective public inquiry into the matter in deference to the ongoing criminal that's been conducted by the U.S. Attorney's office, so that they wouldn't be working at cross-purposes with federal investigators. That doesn't necessarily mean that they won't once again pursue it if they perceive the federal probe to be winding down to its own conclusion.

    Now to be sure, New Jersey's governor has the authority to appoint local county prosecutors, subject to the advice and consent of the State Senate. And the Bergen County prosecutor, Gurbir Grewal (a Democrat, BTW), is one of those whom state senators recently declined to confirm, prompting Christie to re-nominate him for that post only last month.

    But given that both federal prosecutors and the defense in the Kelly-Baroni trial have strongly indicated that Gov. Christie wasn't likely being truthful regarding his own personal knowledge and / or complicity in the G.W. Bridge scandal, I'd think that Grewal might actually have an incentive to move on Brennan's complaint -- even if only to avoid being looked upon by the public as the governor's obedient lapdog and a complete political stooge.

    I have a question, Peter. Does your criminal law practice in Pennsylvania also cover neighboring New Jersey? And if it does, what are your thoughts regarding the current practice by which a county prosecutor serves at the pleasure of the governor and state legislature, rather than county voters or the local county governing council / board? Personally, I have serious reservations about that particular chain of command.



    I am not licensed to practice law (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Peter G on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 08:31:57 PM EST
    in New Jersey. Cannot comment on the process for issuance of summons, etc. (It wasn't a warrant to arrest, just a summons to answer.) As for how prosecutors are appointed in various states, there are pros and cons to every system. Not a fan of electing officials who should exercise independent, nonpolitical, professional judgment, like judges, prosecutors, chief public defenders, etc.

    Agreed. (none / 0) (#90)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 12:07:57 AM EST
    I would prefer, however, that power to appoint of such officers of the court not be centralized in a governor's office, as it apparently has been in New Jersey.

    Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize for Literature (none / 0) (#68)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 01:39:32 PM EST
    More links from google news (none / 0) (#70)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 02:03:48 PM EST
    Wait a minute...wait just a damn minute (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 02:29:25 PM EST
    I have read several articles and posts today equating the Donalds assaulting personality to masculinity and alpha male. I don't think I'm willing to go there.

    It's just me, but I associate masculinity with confidence. They don't need to assault anyone. They are confident and comfortable in their own skin. They don't need to feed on and manipulate to feed a broken masculinity. The term alpha male sort of means the same thing to me...someone who is complete...GROWN.

    No, MT (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Peter G on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 03:40:07 PM EST
    It's not just you.

    An interesting take, MT, (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 04:54:26 PM EST
    on "toxic masculinity," NYTimes op ed (Oct 13). Donald Trump.

    That was (none / 0) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 05:03:59 PM EST
    Very Good

    People can and do define their concept ... (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 06:47:28 PM EST
    ... of masculinity with different criteria, MT. While you associate masculinity with personal confidence, other men who consider themselves as alpha males might respond to your suggestion by first asking you to pull their index finger, and then raising their middle one.

    I firmly believe that it really all depends upon one's own upbringing. Personally, because I was raised by a widowed mother and lived in the close company of strong, confident and assertive female role models, my own perspective about masculinity is much more likely in alignment with your own, than it is with many of my own male peers who grew up in primarily male-dominant households.

    For a lot of guys who were raised with the notion of so-called traditional gender roles, which naturally presumes the man to be the head of household, they come to believe as adults that a woman's primary areas of concern should generally be confined to those issues associated with the home, i.e., the maintenance and well being of one's own immediate family.

    As such, it should hardly be surprising that they're threatened by the very idea of women holding positions of genuine authority outside the rigid construct of the once-prevailing and now-withering socio-economic patriarchy, something with which they're much more familiar and comfortable.

    For myself, having experienced the near-opposite in my own upbringing and indeed watched the women of my family struggle against traditionally patriarchal boundaries, I suffer from no such illusions about the role of women in our country's political life, and in fact I welcome the inevitable demise of such obsolescent social constructs.



    I don't know if it's mostly an upbringing thang (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 08:00:41 PM EST
    In this day. I have known men who came out of horrible male abusive families and they did not take on the attributes of their abusive fathers. They transcended it.

    It's certainly much easier to come out of empowered families and have whole men for fathers. But we are all at choice.


    an alpha male is (none / 0) (#81)
    by linea on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 07:13:46 PM EST
    a russian crime boss or columbian drug lord.

    I dunno (none / 0) (#83)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 07:30:13 PM EST
    Tim Tebow seems to fit the Alpha Male

    Without the toxicity


    Firing federal employees (none / 0) (#84)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 07:54:42 PM EST
    Just can't be done

    Says another Democrat...per The Podesta e mails

    In real life, says it all

    On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Neera Tanden <ntanden@gmail.com> wrote: > > One thing I forgot to mention I've been meaning to discuss. > I think it was a strategic error not to fire anyone in health care. And > it definitely fueling anger in the caucuses. carol Shea porter yelled at > me about this for 10 min the other day. I have been trying to meet w Phil > and hopefully we will do it this Thursday. But we are going to make public > our call for a CEO. I'm trying to be artful here bc of the WH Conference > but I do think in real life people would have gotten fired a long time ago. > And not just people in the agency no one cares about.

    Apart from the fact that your ... (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 13, 2016 at 09:18:14 PM EST
    ... "evidence" doesn't say what you claim it says, facts and reality can be so inconvenient to silly, winger myths:

    The agency that hears appeals from fired federal employees has listed common misconceptions about the firing of federal employees -- with Number One being that it never happens.

    In answer to the perception that "it's impossible to fire a federal employee," the Merit Systems Protection Board pointed out that over fiscal 2000-2014, more than 77,000 full-time, permanent, federal employees "were discharged as a result of performance and/or conduct issues."



    Elected officials can't fire .... (none / 0) (#89)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 12:03:50 AM EST
    ... public employees who are members of the civil service, and for good reason. You don't want to turn civil service into an extension of political patronage. But appointed officials are patronage positions, and they serve at the pleasure of those who appoint them, who can dismiss them at any time.

    Apparently (none / 0) (#91)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 04:20:07 AM EST
    No one can fire federal employees

    The federal government's disciplinary personnel process have become so cumbersome that only about 4,000 employees a year -- 0.2 % of the total workforce of 2.1 million -- are fired, according to the Government Accountability Office (GAO).
    In 2013, the federal agencies dismissed around 3,500 employees for performance or a combination of performance and conduct.

    In its report to the Senate Homeland Security committee, the GAO stated, "The time and resource commitment needed to remove a poor performing permanent employee can be substantial."

    In fact, found the GAO, firing a federal employee often takes from six months to over a year.

    "According to selected experts and GAO's literature review, concerns over internal support, lack of performance management training, and legal issues can also reduce a supervisor's willingness to address poor performance," wrote the GAO.

    And what, pray tell, would be ... (5.00 / 2) (#95)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 04:46:44 AM EST
    ... an acceptable annual rate of discharge in the federal workforce for you - 5%? Why is this even an issue with you? Are you laboring under an assumption that the federal civil service is generally incompetent? If so, on what grounds do you base that assumption?

    Take a look first at the rather rigorous hiring / screening process for federal employees, before you comment any further. Perhaps then you'll understand why the involuntary separation rate is as low as it is.



    Anybody who should have been fired (none / 0) (#99)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 07:42:04 PM EST
    would have been in one of the 8,000 appointed, leadership positions documented in the United States Government Policy and Supporting Positions Directory, commonly known as the Plum Book.  The Plum Book is available as a pdf from the Government Printing Office.

    Exactly (none / 0) (#106)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 06:45:19 PM EST
    For starters

    Hahahahahahahahaaaaa.... (none / 0) (#105)
    by Yman on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 11:35:11 AM EST
    You gotta love when someone debunks their own silly claim and doesn't even realize they're doing it.

    Too funny.


    Florida Supreme Court (none / 0) (#96)
    by CoralGables on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 02:28:56 PM EST
    strikes down Florida's death sentence as it is now structured (again). Not sure they can rule completely as they did legally but the newest ruling will (at the least) vacate many death sentences, unless the state wants to take many of the defendants back to court and try again.

    Ruling in a nutshell: Judges can't override jury and impose the death sentence and jury can only impose the death sentence with unanimity.

    Lawyers, please chime in where I may be wrong.