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Trump to Unveil New Tax Plan, Falls in Poll

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Sun Sep 27, 2015 at 07:13:02 PM EST
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Donald Trump will unveil a new tax plan tomorrow. Tonight he is on 60 Minutes. (no link due to autoplay video.) And in a new NBC-WSJ poll, he's fallen to only one point above Ben Carson.

Are his days numbered? Bill Clinton doesn't think so.

I'm surprised he's lasted this long, but I still don't believe he'll end up as the nominee.

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    It is hard to believe Donald could be it (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 27, 2015 at 07:21:38 PM EST
    Coukd be the nominee.  

    The problem with hm not being the nominee is

    Who is?

    Jeb? No.  I really really don't think so.

    Carly? No.

    Carson? Hell no.

    Marco?  Don think so.

    I just don't see who takes it from him.

    He could lose it.  But I don't see any of the others winning it.

    Adding (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 27, 2015 at 07:24:10 PM EST
    I really think it could go right to the convention.

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    That's kind of what I'm thinking (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 01:04:32 PM EST
    None of the candidates win a majority of the primaries, and we segue into a brokered Republican Convention.
    In which case, all bets are off.  In a brokered convention, the "powers that be" in the GOP would have more leverage to manipulate things in back-room deals and horse-trading and such.  
    In which case, oh, he!!, they could wind up with someone like Kasich, a dull but more "mainstream" Republican, as the nominee, now that Jeb's star seems to have fallen so far.
    Who knows?  Get the popcorn ready, it could be very entertaining.  In a "watching a train wreck happening" kind of way.

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    Is Kasich even going to win any (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 01:12:00 PM EST
    primaries?

    I think he's polling in single digits, so I just can't imagine anyone will see him as a viable alternative to any of the outsiders.

    I think Rubio's going to be the last one standing.

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    It could very well (none / 0) (#37)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 01:16:25 PM EST
    be Rubio, too.
    If it's a brokered convention, all bets are off.  Except, in that case, I seriously doubt that it would be Trump, Fiorina, or Carson.
    Got your popcorn ready?    

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    Ditto (none / 0) (#61)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 10:54:42 PM EST
    It will likely be Babyface Rubio.

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    I agree with Steve Nocera (none / 0) (#62)
    by jbindc on Tue Sep 29, 2015 at 08:47:04 AM EST
    Trump isn't really in it to be president.

    Like almost everything else about the Trump campaign, his tax plan is hard to take seriously. (To be fair, most of the tax plans put forth by his Republican rivals are hard to take seriously.) During the "60 Minutes" interview, Trump told Pelley that he would force the Chinese to "do something" about North Korea's nuclear program -- while also preventing them from devaluing their currency! -- that he would get rid of Obamacare -- while instituting universal coverage! -- and that he was on more magazine covers than "almost any supermodel."

    I wonder, in fact, whether even now Trump is a serious candidate, or whether this is all a giant publicity ploy. Once a real developer, Trump is largely a licenser today; the more famous he becomes, the more he can charge to slap his name on buildings or perfume or men's suits.

    I'm not alone in wondering this, of course. Several Republican consultants I spoke to openly questioned whether Trump is in it for the long haul. "You would see him spending a lot more money if he were putting together a true national infrastructure," said Rick Wilson, a Republican strategist.

    There's one other thing. All his life, Trump has had a deep need to beperceived as a "winner." He always has to be perceived coming out on top. That's why, ultimately, I don't think he'll ever put himself at the mercy of actual voters in a primary. To do so is to risk losing. And everyone will know it.

    He'll be out before Iowa. You read it here first.



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    He will not be out (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 29, 2015 at 09:08:38 AM EST
    Before Iowa.  You read it here first.

    Btw
    Whoever that is has to be kidding with the you read it here first thing.  This pearl of conventional wisdom has been clutched by every knuckle head with a keyboard since the day Trump declared.

    I said it then and now.  They don't get it.  He does want to be president.

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    Nah (none / 0) (#67)
    by jbindc on Tue Sep 29, 2015 at 03:21:12 PM EST
    He'd have to be too restrained, both financially and in temperament. Sounding off crazy now when no one is actually voting is a helluva lot different than having to work with a Congress that hates you and running the country.

    This is all one, big reality show in the making.

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    You have a real problem (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 29, 2015 at 05:29:11 PM EST
    With projecting your assumptions.

    I never said he would be president.   I said he wants to be president.   This thing that this is just some lark to get attention is just silly.  And getting sillier by the day.  There are several candidate who are not working in organization.  Trump is not  one of them.  He is doing everything a candidate dies in the early states.

    As I said he will not be out by the first voting.

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    Whether or not he drops out (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 29, 2015 at 05:33:38 PM EST
    After that if he is losing who the hell knows.  Most people drop out if they are losing.

    That not what you sad.  You said he doesn't really want it and will be out before the voting starts.  I say BS.

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    Interesting... (none / 0) (#70)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Sep 29, 2015 at 05:04:48 PM EST
    ...since Matt Lauer asked him on the TV today if he would drop out if he keeps falling.  After arguing that he isn't falling, he didn't mince words, he  said he would.

    I believe that he isn't interested in taking it to the wire, but the problem is he has to get beaten to leave, he won't bow out if he is leading IMO.

    He might not want to be President, but it's not so bad that he would walk away thinking he could win.

    Let's see how much of his own money he starts spending.

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    NYTimes today (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 29, 2015 at 05:40:02 PM EST
    Donald Trump Is Not
    Going Anywhere

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    That one is a very long and well (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 29, 2015 at 07:10:11 PM EST
    Written piece.  I think this is the money paragraphs

    I initially doubted that he would even run. I assumed that his serial and public flirtations with the idea over several election cycles were just another facet of his existential publicity sustenance. I figured that even if Trump did run, his conspiracy-­mongering, reality-­show orientations and garish tabloid sensibilities would make him unacceptable to the polite company of American politics and mainstream media. It would render him a fringe player. So I decided not to write about him, and I felt proud and honorable about my decision.

    --

    It was at this point that I began to feel glad I decided to write about Trump, who seemed to have clearly seized on some profound exhaustion with our politics. There's very little difference between Trump when he's not running for president and Trump now that he is running for president, except that he makes more public appearances. Trump is the same boorish, brash and grandiose showman we've known across many realms. And for some reason, that character has proved an incendiary match with this political moment. It was a repeat of what I saw that night of the first debate, when the whole room abandoned the professional campaign surrogates in favor of the blazing chaos of Trump himself. Was Trump the logical byproduct of a cancerous system in which American democracy has mutated into a gold rush of cheap celebrity, wealth creation and narcissistic branding madness? Or has he merely wielded the tools of this transformation -- his money, celebrity and dominance of the media -- against the forces that have engend



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    Oops (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 29, 2015 at 07:13:40 PM EST
    Last line

    his money, celebrity and dominance of the media -- against the forces that have engendered this disgust in the system to begin with?


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    Ha (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 29, 2015 at 06:31:24 PM EST
    Just reading that thing.  It's so full of it I can't stand it
    Take this-

    said Rick Wilson, a Republican strategist.

    Riiiiight
    Rick Wilson is just some random republican strategist.  Try googling Rick Wilson.  The top choices are all "Rick Wilson-Donald Trump"

    Like this

     Meet Rick Wilson, Trump's hardcore hater.

    I have no idea if Trump will eventually drop out.   If he starts losing he probably will.  But it will be because he is losing primaries.  But that article is FOS.

    you read it first here.

    Pffft

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    BUT (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 29, 2015 at 06:33:18 PM EST
    Tweety and Ron Reagan (who people keep asking for an opinion fir reasons I do not understand) completely agree with YOU

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    While I am Batting... (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 01:14:34 PM EST
    ...pretty bad in the prediction arena, I can't see how it doesn't.  The lunatics aren't going to join the moderates, and vice-versa, Boehner resigning is a symptom of the disease that is going to play out in a big way.

    Right now there are two parties with separate agendas posing as one party in order to win elections, but the divisions keep getting deeper and at some point, they have to split or end up with people a whole lot of republicans dislike, like Boehner.

    It's fun watching them eat their own, but damn, I think everyone is sick of the House and how they have unrealistic expectations.  55 votes to repeal legislation that has zero chance of being repealed, legislation the highest court in the land upheld.  

    It's Homer Simpson and the light socket, over and over again expecting he won't get shocked this time.  By definition, at least Einstein's, these people are insane.  And the worse part, this is exactly what their constituents want them to do.

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    Hard to believe (none / 0) (#5)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Sep 27, 2015 at 07:54:06 PM EST
    ...isn't it?

    Can you imagine Fiorina or Carson on the national stage, under the lights, answering questions about, well, anything?  Trump will answer, he just won't have a clue about what he's saying, it will backfire and result in a bizarre clarification.  Trump is a powder keg of oversensitive short-tempered nastygrams, off on a twitter rant after any form of criticism.  It's not like he has someone on the staff who might suggest that this isn't presidential.  

    The three front runners have among them a total of one losing political campaign.  Fiorina is famous for her inept campaign for the senate seat from California, featuring the most ridiculous TV ad ever, the Demon Sheep.

    These people have never been anything but petty dictators in their own worlds, unused to having any of their decisions questioned.  There won't be enough popcorn when they have to debate a Democrat.

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    Carly Fiorina has no business ... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 04:29:53 AM EST
    ... ever being in charge again of anything. Her tenure as CEO of Hewlett Packard was so bad that the company's shares on Wall Street lost over half their value. The same day that H-P announced her firing, investors' giddy response to the news drove the company's share price up by seven percent.

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    Really?? (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 10:09:11 AM EST
    Bewteen March of 2000 and March of 2001 the NASDAQ lost half of its value.

    Were all the CEO's fired??

    The world is full of failures who later became great.

    Including one named Lincoln.

    1831 - Lost his job
    1832 - Defeated in run for Illinois State Legislature
    1833 - Failed in business
    1834 - Elected to Illinois State Legislature (success)
    1835 - Sweetheart died
    1836 - Had nervous breakdown
    1838 - Defeated in run for Illinois House Speaker
    1843 - Defeated in run for nomination for U.S. Congress
    1846 - Elected to Congress (success)
    1848 - Lost re-nomination
    1849 - Rejected for land officer position
    1854 - Defeated in run for U.S. Senate
    1856 - Defeated in run for nomination for Vice President
    1858 - Again defeated in run for U.S. Senate
    1860 - Elected President (success)


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    Then why has she never been (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 10:23:10 AM EST
    offered another position running another company?  

    Maybe Jeffrey Sonnenfeld can explain it to you.

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    Of (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by FlJoe on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 10:56:20 AM EST
    course many, many people have rebounded from failure, giving rise to that old saw "if at first you don't succeed, try and try again", very few people ever succeed at the first try at anything but the key is that most of them acknowledge and learn from their failures, Carly will not even acknowledge that her HP tenure was a failure much less take any kin of lesson from it.

    Note your dates here, the NASDAQ crash and tech bubble burst long before she made the disastrous  merger with Compaq in 2002.

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    et al (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 01:48:08 PM EST
    anne, how do you know she hasn't??

    FlJoe, can you give me a link, or any proof, that Lincoln did what you claim?

    For that matter, can you show me anything that shows that Carly hasn't learned from her experience??

    Re NASDAQ, my point was simple. Market's crash. Sometimes companies get bought. Others are wounded. Some CEO's get fired. Some don't. I realize you want to attack her. That's politics.

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    I will (none / 0) (#55)
    by FlJoe on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 05:34:28 PM EST
    leave this to the good Zimmerman,
    She knows there's no success like failure
    And that failure's no success at all


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    Define "failure"... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 01:30:59 PM EST
    Ol' Sour Puss left HP in shambles with 21 million in cash and 19 million in stock & pension benefits wrapped in her golden parachute...any grifter would consider that an epic success of a score, and that's what Ol' Sour Puss is...a grifter.  A thief.

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    Anytime a Partisan Has to go Back... (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 01:44:01 PM EST
    ...to the 1800's to find examples about modern day issues, they are spewing some serious BS.

    But since you are using her main talking point, I will go with the much better and blatantly more obvious, why hasn't the CEO genius had a job offer in a decade.

    • Because she wants to work twice as hard for 1/100th the pay ?
    • Because she is loves public office so much that she has forgot to vote in almost every election ?
    • Because she is a disaster and couldn't even find one sucker to give her a job, even though now, 11% of republicans will give her one ?

    The answer is obvious unless you have a faulty brain.

    She is a politician because no one will give her a real job and so far she is 0-1 at being a politician, and soon enough 0-2.  But please Jim, keep telling us how a failure is not really a failure, and when that fails, blame Obama.

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    Please quit making things up (none / 0) (#45)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 01:58:29 PM EST
    But please Jim, keep telling us how a failure is not really a failure,

    Never said that and the bit about Lincoln is as correct today as it was then.

    And you have no idea as to what she has, or has not, been offered. Such things are mostly Top Secret..

    ......Wait, we will probably find'em in Hillary's emails.

    lol

    Look, she made a very controversial merger of two competitors. Having been through two of those I know how bitter they are and how difficult. She has acknowledged mistakes. Among them is not immediately firing the managers who didn't buy in. Maybe she will do that when she becomes Prez.

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    Yes, Jim... (none / 0) (#48)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 03:25:36 PM EST
    ...to hell with Wall Street, which you love one day and hate the next, republicans are certainly capable of finding a diamond in the rough.  It's not like all of GWB's business failures were indicative of his presidency...

    I have been through more mergers, split-offs, reorgs, and every variation know to business and none of them resulted in catastrophe because our management team is not the hack squad.  They are done for one purpose, to gain/create equity, when they fail to do that they are considered failures.  You are suggesting no one in Fiorina's merger team bothered to with any sort of projection models, which only proves your lack of business sophistication.

    This notion that a republican created recession is blame is quite funny on so many levels.  But why stop a great talking point, "It's GWB's fault Fiorina isn't seen as the CEO genius she is, if he hadn't drove the economy off a cliff, Fiorina would be a shoe-in for president..."

    Not sure why I am talking you out of that hilarious talking point.  Probably because it Fiorina's talking point thwqt you are passing off as yours.
    -----------------

    Speaking of, gas is at $2/gal which you have said at least 1000 times means the economy is great shape.  After all, you couldn't stop telling everyone how Obama was to blame for $4/gal gasoline, so I will assume when it's $2/gal Obama is now your hero, or was all that gas talk more words of wisdom from someone with no clue ?

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    No, you haven't (1.00 / 2) (#53)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 05:07:00 PM EST
    I have been through more mergers, split-offs, reorgs, and every variation know to business and none of them resulted in catastrophe because our management team is not the hack squad.

    You over reach and make wild claims, as usual. I have never stated I "love Wall St." Why do you make these claims that everyone knows is untrue??

    And I suggested nothing. Carly has stated that she should have fired managers who resisted the changes caused by the merger and that was a mistake. Which it was. And I say that your beloved management team would have, and if I can believe your claim, have probably done so.

    And I never said

    gas is at $2/gal which you have said at least 1000 times means the economy is great shape.

    Based on this you obviously believe that the sun comes up because the rooster crows.

    Now pay attention. I have long stated that cheap energy will improve the economy. The question now is this. How long will the current (around) $2.00 gas remain? Sen Corker already wants a gas tax increase... As for Obama, he said he had no problem with high prices and one of the first things he did was remove the changes that Bush had put in place and the prices see sawed back and forth and the economy remains flat, at best. (Remember that the workforce participation rate is at Jimmy Cater levels.)

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    That Was Funny... (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Sep 29, 2015 at 09:11:19 AM EST
    ...and I mean seriously funny.

    I think all the regulars know where you stand on gasoline and Obama.

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    The funny part is you making a claim (none / 0) (#68)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Sep 29, 2015 at 04:13:16 PM EST
    that a good economy causes gasoline prices to be low.

    As I said, you must think  the sun comes up because the rooster crows.

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    Right... (none / 0) (#50)
    by sj on Mon Sep 28, 2015 at 03:57:16 PM EST
    Because Fiorina is Just. Like. Abraham. Lincoln.

    oy

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    A few years ago some genius (none / 0) (#65)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 29, 2015 at 11:36:59 AM EST
    at some right-wing think tank thought it would be a great talking point to conflate any prominent modern day Republican with Abraham Lincoln because, after all, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican wasn't he?

    Now it's fair game for any dittohead to not bat an eyelash about mentioning a Dubya, a Fiorina, a Carson, or a Trump in the same sentence as Lincoln.

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    Your ability to make things up is amusing (1.00 / 1) (#69)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Sep 29, 2015 at 04:17:33 PM EST
    The point is that many successful people have failures. Some multiple failures.

    Of course if you are Hillary you can make a cool $100K on pork bellies and never blink an eye....especially if you have the broker in your pocket.

    lol

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    It is (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 27, 2015 at 08:08:58 PM EST
    Trump is right now currently in the middle of another snit with FOX news.

    LINKIE

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    Bill Clinton says he don't (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 27, 2015 at 07:42:01 PM EST
    know from nothing and then analyzes the race.  

    If you believe Bubba don't know from nothin (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 27, 2015 at 07:43:30 PM EST
    You don't know from nothin.

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    You ignored the phrase (5.00 / 2) (