Random Thoughts on Tonight's Republican Debate

Final Update: Winner Winner Chicken Dinner: John Kasich. Trump held his own but was overshadowed. Huckabee had some good moments. Jeb Bush was too bland. Christie is a lost cause, no pizzaz, no leadership qualities. Dr. Carson, and the two lookalikes, Walker and Cruz, were good for entertainment. Neither has a prayer. Ron Paul was Dennis the Menace and Marco Rubio was too clean cut, and uninspiring.


Thanks to BTD for putting up a thread on tonight's debate. I hadn't intended to watch, but I am, so I'll weigh in here. Feel free to comment in either thread. [More...]

I heard an hour of the B List Republican debate in the car this afternoon. It was all war-mongering and Islam bashing, except for one candidate who thought he is already battling the Clintons, instead of 20 Republicans for the nomination. I think it was Lindsay Graham. One of them said we should invade Syria.

Tonight's debate:

Trump refuses to take the pledge to support the Republican nominee if he's not chosen and not run as an independent. Some boo, others are fine with it. [More

Republican mentality: Megan Kelly asks Trump about his disparaging remarks about women, and reads off a list of of them. His answer: He only used those words about Rosie O'Donnell. The audience cheers and applauds him. (Megan points out it went far beyond that.

Jeb Bush: Compares himself to a mafia crime boss Vito Coreleone. The audience cheers.

Marco Rubio's starts out speaking faster than I can listen. He needs a speech coach. His second answer on immigration was better. He's the most telegenic of the bunch.

Chris Christie was holding onto his podium for dear life at the beginning. He loosened up a bit when answering a question, but uses too many statistics.

John Kasich comes out for moving mentally ill prison inmates to mental health facilities. His years as a TV host show paid off -- he's a very effective speaker. He seems the sanest of the bunch. He's also smart -- thinking ahead to once Trump is gone. He says Trump hit a nerve and should be taken seriously. He said they all agree on what the problems are, they just have different solutions.

Why is Mike Huckbee's suit jacket so big? He'd look much better if his clothes fit.

Ron Paul: He looks a bit disheveled. But he comes out for not funding and not arming ISIS, which is what we are doing since they steal our humvees and stuff.

Trump complains he was misunderstood on his comments about Mexico. "We need to build a border wall. We need to keep "illegals" out. He keeps referring to our "stupid political leaders." The 'stupid crowd' cheers.

Trump's support seems to be greatest among the misfits and malcontents in the Republican party. I'll hang in here until Senor de Los Cielos starts.

One guy whose name I still don't know says he'll support a mandatory minimum sentence for illegal re-entry. He calls Washington "a cartel."

Update 7:37 pm: Chris Christie sounds like Rudy Giuliani, bragging about his leadership in 911.

Ron Paul is the Dennis Kucinich of the Republican party. He says Chris Christie doesn't understand the Bill of Rights, "Get a warrant." Christie blows it by responding with a personal attack.

They are back to the no-name guy again, who criticizes Obama for refusing to call terrorists "Islamic." How did this guy make the cut? Why is he getting so many questions -- Trump hasn't had a question in a long time.

Sorry there are two no name guys -- they look alike. One is Scott Walker, I don't know who the second one is yet.

Bush is asked about saying his brother's war in Iraq was a mistake. He sticks to that, "knowing what we know now, I wouldn't have gone in." He says ISIS was created by the void that was caused by Obama leaving Iraq. ISIS has been around a lot longer than that -- It began as the Islamic State of Iraq in 2006 and al Baghdadi became leader in 2010. Obama "pulled out" of Iraq in 2011. It's Syria that ISIS entered after that.

Dr. Ben Carson refers to "G-d" as a guy. Marc Rubio gets his third question in an hour.

Christie wants to raise the retirement age, and cut Medicare and Social Security benefits. Huckabee says he can fix the system without doing either. Christie is wasting his money -- he doesn't have a prayer in this race. Huckabee says 60 million people receive social security. We made a promise to them and we need to keep it. It's the Government who screwed up, not the recipients. If Congress wants to cut retirement benefits, iit should start with its own. Huckabee loses it though, he goes into blaming p*mps and prostitutes for freeloading.

I lost interest but kept the tv on in the background. Why didn't they ask Trump about whether G-d speaks to him? I would have like to have heard his answer.

The two lookalikes who I didn't recognize were Scott Walker from Wisconsin and Ted Cruz. They look alike to me, one is just older.

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    They should have asked Trump... (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by unitron on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 12:56:28 AM EST
    ...not if The Almighty speaks to him, but rather whether he ever deigns to speak to The Almighty.

    I'm still trying to process just how (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 06:46:00 AM EST
    bad it was, on so many levels.

    First, who decided it was a good idea for the moderators to try to be funny?  For one thing, they weren't funny at all, their attempts at humor were lame.  But, maybe it works in the sense that the whole thing was one long, bad joke that went a long way to highlight the lack of quality and deterioration of the Republican Party.

    Second, who decided it was a good idea to have the audience act like they got lost on the way to a taping of the Jerry Springer show and decided to bring their hootin' and hollerin' and booing to a presidential debate?  

    Third, could it have been more obvious that the panel - perhaps at the urging of GOP leadership - worked overtime to bait Trump?  

    Fourth, who decided that some candidates would get more attention than others?  Was it the same person, or persons, who decided that the candidates didn't all have to answer the same questions?

    Fifth, Donald Trump is a caricature.  I felt like I was watching a 2-hour SNL production.

    Finally, I really did have a headache when it was all over.  I haven't voluntarily subjected myself to that much backward thinking in a long time, and I'm not sure I could do it again; I'm not sure I could have been more appalled and more repulsed by the opinions expressed, or by the prospect of what any one of these candidates could do if elected.

    Old ideas that didn't work all the other times they were tried.  Disgustingly anti-woman.  sickeningly pro-war, pro-torture.  No compassion for people who struggle.  Determined to take more from people already on the edge so the wealthy can amass more wealth.  Way too eager to inject God and religion into everything.  

    Oh, great...my headache's coming back.

    I love (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 07:08:20 AM EST
    that Kasich claimed to have balanced the budget back in the 1990's but voted against the budget reconciliation act that created a surplus. Hillary would have a field day with that comment. And already Rubio's comment about Hillary being the most qualified is making the rounds. LOL.

    They live in a bubble surrounded by yes people so therefore they think they can say anything. Amazing.

    I expect the Donald to go up in the polls from this debate simply because there's nothing to undercut him. He doesn't have a voting record that can be thrown back in his face like Rubio.

    A violent thunderstorm (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:45:02 AM EST
    woke me up at 5 so I watched some of mourning Joe before going back to sleep.
    A guy from Bloomberg said they contacted all those Trump supporters who participated in the focus group the other day.

    They were furious every one.  And why would they not be?   It was also reported that FOX is being swamped by hate mail for the way they treated Donald.

    Wouldn't it be ironic if FOX lost viewers? (none / 0) (#34)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:46:06 AM EST
    This is from (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:56:46 AM EST
    The Gateway Pundit

    An infamous right wing lunatic

    Biggest Debate Loser=> FOX News... Twitter Rips FOX and Megyn Kelly

    Question for Mr. Trump (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:16:02 AM EST
    "If Megan Kelly was so mean to you, how are you going to handle ISIS?"

    He could call them (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:20:43 AM EST
    "fat pigs".   They would hate that.

    None (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:22:07 AM EST
    of the GOP candidates have a clue about foreign policy. It's mostly a garbled mish mash of what George W. Bush was doing.

    Apparently the answer to all our (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:26:47 AM EST
    foreign policy woes is to pump trillions more dollars into the military, send troops in to kick ass, kill people and break things, and get back to torturing people.

    Perhaps they were energized by yesterday being the 70th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima.


    It was overall (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:35:19 AM EST
    a rather stunning display of wannabe war mongers considering how war weary the country is wasn't it.

    It did (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:04:44 AM EST
    start off with very bad with that question about running as an independent. the funny thing is it took something like this to show how ridiculous Fox News is.

    Conservative Treehouse (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:01:39 AM EST
    FOX News-Biggest Loser

    Regardless of whether you support or hate Donald Trump, the transparency of the Fox agenda was brutally evident from the outset. Even Instapundit, who is not the least bit friendly toward the Trump campaign, noted:

    I was particularly disappointed with the ridiculous "gotcha!" questions posed by Megyn Kelly and Chris Wallace. Can Fox News please focus on the issues and not try to play favorites.

    The opening question, the insufferable "will you make a pledge" question, was specifically targeted to put Donald Trump on the outside.

    Republicans... (none / 0) (#69)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:17:39 AM EST
    ...complaining about Fox News agenda.

    Now I have heard it all.

    The question was specific to Donald, but I am positive every person there wanted to know the answer.  And since it was the first one, it seemed like maybe they were trying to pressure Trump.  The question had to be asked, but it did not need to be the first one.

    If there is one thing I can say about Trump, he ain't going to be pushed around or boxed into a corner. And he sure as hell isn't going to be pressure into committing into anything.

    I wonder where the live viewers come from.  Are there tickets, do people travel great distances, how do they end up with talk show audience ?


    It's delicious (none / 0) (#102)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:43:21 AM EST
    Low in carbs, and still makes me happy :)

    All of Fox's hosts except for that Token guy talk exactly like Donald Trump...all day everyday. Hannity and O'Reilly flip flop on policy and talking points daily too, whatever equals hating Obummer or Hillary..that's the snake oil for the day.  Doesn't matter if last week they said something exactly the opposite:)  And then when their audience wants Donald Trump but Fox knows they can't win with Trump (zero chance), then they attempt to sandbag Trump. It's so yummy

    They have to go to election with the base they created instead of the base they wish they had :)


    The Buffet... (none / 0) (#110)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 12:30:27 PM EST
    ...over on Trump's Twitter Page with trump going after Fox News and Megyn Kelly specifically.

    Jesus, trump has got a lot of people riled up about Fox.  I would love to see him go to war with Fox.


    Ohhhhh My :) (none / 0) (#116)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 01:22:29 PM EST
    Why did "it" have to be asked?? (none / 0) (#150)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 06:06:48 PM EST
    "it" has nothing to do with policy and or plan of actions should he get to be prez..

    It would be appropriate in an interview but not in a debate. She wasted valuable time that could have been spent asking him about Obama's birth certificate....;-)


    Or about how he would've (none / 0) (#156)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 06:21:44 PM EST
    handled Benghazi differently..... 👽

    It was so (none / 0) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:47:42 AM EST
    patently obvious they were trying to sandbag Trump that I'm not surprised to hear that.

    "Trump: How I won the debate" (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:59:39 AM EST
    from today's Daily Beast.\

    "It's the story of my life, I guess," Trump told reporters after his performance. By that he meant: People are needlessly hard on him, but he is so great and so fabulous that he always prevails in the end.

    Judging (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:06:45 AM EST
    by the reactions on conservative media he probably did win the debate. They see Fox as trying to sandbag him and he's still standing.

    Think about that for a second (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:10:13 AM EST
    if FOX news can't sandbag him, who can?

    I think he has to sandbag himself, (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:14:05 AM EST
    has to dig himself into a hole he won't be able to climb out of.

    Nobody (none / 0) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:14:42 AM EST
    on another blog somebody said Trump gives new meaning to the word Teflon. LOL.

    Chuck Todd? (none / 0) (#112)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 01:00:53 PM EST
    Oh yeah (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 03:53:11 PM EST
    that'll do it.  

    Unbelievable... (none / 0) (#131)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 04:00:35 PM EST
    Chuck Todd joined the Morning Joe crew and helped get their feeling out with an unflattering take on Trump by calling him a "media bully." A presidential election is not for the squeamish and Todd says these people don't have the guts to confront him so he's gladly doing it for them. If that's the case, then these cowards shouldn't be in the business of politics.

    Chuck Todd calling his colleagues cowards is too funny, guess he forgot about Meet the Press last month.  There is no one in the media more accommodating to politicians than CT, IMO.  And here is stroking Donald and blaming it on the cowardice media.  Chuck you are the F-ing media.

    These people who have absolutely no self reflective capabilities are really starting to get on my nerves.


    The debate demonstrated (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by KeysDan on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:39:11 AM EST
    for all who care to see, that Republicans, these days, are a collection of irrationals masquerading as a political party.   The motley and embarrassing candidates being offered up to the American people by this party are but a reflection in the shallow and polluted pool of party-wide thought--such as it is.  

    The debate was the theater of the absurd--Trump was the sun and the rest were little planets.  Some trying to bask in his sunlight, most content to orbit.  Trump, it is true, may be described best by the pejoratives attributed to, and denied by, Jeb.

    But, what are the differences between Trump and the rest?  What he says, or how he says it?  Do any of them have different positions?   I found none.  Other than, I would that, but only more so.

    Fox has belatedly recognized that the party may go off the cliff, not because of the drivers in the clown car, but the drivers in the primaries.  They can't do much now about the later, so they are working on the former--winnow down the number, unload Trump, upload someone, anyone, that seems somewhat viable.

    Maybe, Kasich, maybe, Rubio. Jeb is a bad bet.  Good luck with that.  Trump is just what the Republicans want--which is to say it brashly and never say you are sorry.  What is said does not matter as much as that you be angry when it is said.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:43:39 AM EST
    it's a huge embarrassment for the GOP even if Trump wasn't there. They're working hard on lowering that 28% approval rating.

    The line-up should be (none / 0) (#86)
    by KeysDan on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:56:00 AM EST
    grateful to Trump.  He saved them.  He provided the electricity--anticipatory and actual.  If Trump got lost on the way to Cleveland, the debate would have revealed with great clarity the inner-Trump inhabiting each of them.  A quick substitution by Carly and her nice suit, especially her nice suit,  or just her nice suit, would have become the redeeming factor. .  

    Would those be dwarf planets? (none / 0) (#96)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:23:43 AM EST
    Trump was the sun and the rest were little planets

    Planetesimals would be more accurate. (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 01:05:19 PM EST

    The word planetesimal comes from the mathematical concept infinitesimal and literally means an ultimately small fraction of a planet.

    While the name is always applied to small bodies during the process of planet formation, some scientists also use the term planetesimal as a general term to refer to many small Solar System bodies - such as asteroids and comets - which are left over from the formation process. A group of the world's leading planet formation experts decided at a conference in 2006[4] on the following definition of a planetesimal:

    accumulation of planets whose internal strength is dominated by self-gravity and whose orbital dynamics is not significantly affected by gas drag. This corresponds to objects larger than approximately 1 km in the solar nebula.

    Bodies large enough not only to keep together by gravitation but to change the path of approaching rocks over distances of several radii start to grow faster. These bodies, larger than 100 km to 1000 km, are called embryos or protoplanets.[5]

    Charlie Pierce weighs in... (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:56:12 AM EST
    The whole thing was a mess, from the moderators on down. If you brought a political scientist from Jupiter down to watch it, he'd think it was a skit they put on to entertain their fellow patients from other patients in the chronic ward. On a day when a massive typhoon was roaring toward mainland China, there were only two questions in both debates that even vaguely touched on climate change. The first concerned whether Lindsey Graham's simple belief in the crisis would be enough to kill him among Republican primary voters. (Hint: yes.) The second came when Paul's snarked at Chris Christie for having hugged the president after superstorm Sandy blew half of the Jersey Shore off toward the Azores. Voting rights? What are those? Black lives matter? They do? Let's talk more about protecting the rights of Zygote-Americans.

    There was, however, plenty of room for extremism. War with Iran instead of peace. Ben Carson, a physician, gave a wink and a nod to resuming torture as national policy. Rick Santorum - and have I mentioned what a colossal dick Rick Santorum is - bristled with outraged dignity and obvious resentment that the 2012 Runner-Up was consigned to the undercard and announced that the Supreme Court's decision on marriage equality was the equivalent of the Dred Scott decision. Several of them advocated the position that Zygote-Americans are entitled to the rights guaranteed under the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendment, an extraordinarily radical position. And, needless to say, the phony Planned Parenthood videos were taken as gospel by everyone of the candidates, even by John Kasich, whose overall performance otherwise demonstrated that he was the only marginally compassionate actual human being on the stage, which should be enough to catapult him into the top tier of candidates but, hey, come on, who are we kidding here?


    Climate change?  What's that - when you turn up the AC on a hot day?

    I like the way NBC (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by scribe on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:51:44 AM EST
    got a hold of The Donald's debate prep, including his comeback one-liners, and put it front-and-center on their evening newscast.

    Me?  I was watching baseball.  Didn't get a minute of debating.  Much happier for it.

    Scott Walker's comment (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by CST on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 04:23:42 PM EST
    about choosing a fetus over the life of the mother - there is one article in the NYTimes today calling him one of the winners of the debate.  It's presented as a "wonky" non-political take.  Almost all of the comments are angry about Walker's take on abortion.  Very angry.  Furious even.  Yes, I realize this is the NYTimes, and obviously the people who comment on it are people who choose to read the times.  But the article talked about a number of candidates.  And comment after comment was furious about Walker.

    It made me feel much better read those comments.

    I think Ted Cruz (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 08:59:02 PM EST
    is the other no name

    Yes, he was (none / 0) (#14)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 10:15:36 PM EST
    Thanks. I had never seen either of them.

    A small correction,Jeralyn. (none / 0) (#18)
    by caseyOR on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 10:41:27 PM EST
    This year's prsidential wannabe from the Paul family is Rand, not his father Ron.

    Sure you have, Jeralyn. (none / 0) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 12:00:08 AM EST
    Jeralyn: "I had never seen either of them."

    Ted Cruz is the spitting image of a prominent individual from an earlier era.


    Another correction (none / 0) (#47)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:05:05 AM EST
    It was Rand Paul on stage, not his father Ron.

    Carson (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 09:02:47 PM EST
    is truly nuts.

    That speculation about Hillary undermining (none / 0) (#3)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 09:14:36 PM EST
    well, pretty much everything, may have sounded good in a mirror, but man, that was an epic fail on this stage.

    No kidding (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 09:17:31 PM EST
    you expected a little bird to pop out of his forehead.

    The debate reinterpreted: (none / 0) (#5)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 09:26:18 PM EST
    "I'm the meanest man of all.  So vote for me!"

    Just let me know when it's over... (none / 0) (#6)
    by desertswine on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 09:33:42 PM EST
    So I can watch Jon Stewart's last show.  I'm getting all verklempt already.  

    Not suprised (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 09:36:30 PM EST
    that you didn't know the names Walker did not distinguish himself in any way either by being insane like Carson or bombastic like Trump.

    Trump pretty much ran all over everybody in this debate. Nobody is going to be talking about Jeb, Rubio or probably any of the others except maybe how crazy Carson is. A doctor who supports torture? Disgusting. Of course the moderators probably on order from the RNC were trying to take Trump out but it did not work.

    On taking out Trump (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 09:45:44 PM EST
    personally I doubt it was pre arranged.   It might have been but every question they asked him was a perfectly legitimate question.  Stuff that's been circling about Donald from the beginning.

    In a way they did him a favor by bringing it up and letting him respond.  Pretty effectively I think.  At least for his audience.


    Yes (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 09:53:53 PM EST
    he seemed to handle it fine. Frankly he handled the "gotcha" questions way better than most of them there. Rubio couldn't even manage a softball question something about Jeb being the past. His answer just left me shaking my head wondering.

    Benghazi finally got trolled (none / 0) (#8)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 09:44:21 PM EST
    - Huckleberry

    Huckabee (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 09:48:27 PM EST
    on transgendered in the military.

    Ooooh boy.

    note to self- (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 09:56:30 PM EST
    NEVER ask Ted Cruz about receiving messages from God.

    The insanity (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 10:16:58 PM EST
    that has been running on stage tonight has to make Preibus very nervous.

    Did FOX just (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 10:10:49 PM EST
    cut Trumps closing statement?  I didn't get it and I was watching.

    Seriously (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 10:19:09 PM EST
    did that just happen?  Was anyone else watching?  Mine just stopped at the end of Bushes statement?  

    If so I revise what I said about being out to get him.  Also the FOX chat after the debate sure seems like that.


    Frank Luntz - Sith Lord of the GOP (none / 0) (#17)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 10:23:13 PM EST
    Would that make Donald... (none / 0) (#98)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:28:25 AM EST
    a Jedi?

    Donald J. Trump
    @FrankLuntz is a low class slob who came to my office looking for consulting work and I had zero interest. Now he picks anti-Trump panels!

    Donald J. Trump
    @FrankLuntz, your so-called "focus groups" are a total joke. Don't come to my office looking for business again. You are a clown!

    What a diplomat this guy!


    Haha (none / 0) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:32:45 AM EST
    I love it.

    Somebody calling Luntz what he really is--a slob.

    And anybody who looked at panel would know that it was totally jacked up by Luntz.


    Dropping into cable news today is great (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:51:26 AM EST
    i was just watching Andrea Mitchell and a couple of her DC dinner/cocktail party peeps try to explain Donald in civilized humorous erudite terms.  Amazing.

    Watching this reminded me of something someone once said about watching George Romney (Mitts father) run for president.

    It's like watching a duck try to f@ck a football.


    You mean it's over already? (none / 0) (#19)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 06, 2015 at 11:54:23 PM EST
    Well, thank heavens for the six-hour time difference. We were all still at work.

    Actually, Jeralyn (none / 0) (#24)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 07:56:45 AM EST
    Bush didn't compare himself to a mafia boss (and a fake one, at that).  He said they called him "VETO Corleone" because he vetoed 2500 separate line items in the budget while he was governor.

    What (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 07:57:45 AM EST
    an embarrassment he was. Just sad.

    I think it's embarassing (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:05:58 AM EST
    That this is what a national party has to offer for the highest job in the land.

    You (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:08:40 AM EST
    aren't kidding. Of course this is what happens when a party splinters. You get all kinds of everything running for president.

    I actually welcomed (none / 0) (#27)
    by KeysDan on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:08:21 AM EST
    commercials.   The poor Republican establishment, they were trying hard to take down Trump and pump up a suitable stand-in.  Kasich and Rubio seemed to get those "honors."  After all, they both were able to answer a question without alienating the better part of the world, which, in this crowd, is a presidential credential. Kasich did take credit for all that good budget work while in Congress--during the Clinton Administration. And, Rubio seemed hydrated.  

    The GOP (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:10:59 AM EST
    establishment probably wants to commit suicide after this debate. Even if you took Trump out of the running it would like a bunch of insane jokers. Good lord. Can they not hate on everybody who is not a white male in this country any more? Sheesh.

    It was taken before the debate (none / 0) (#30)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:29:04 AM EST
    but how much do you think the crews of former Florida Gov Jeb Bush and current US Senator from Florida Marco Rubio are enjoying the first poll out this morning.

    Florida GOP Primary Poll:

    Trump 27
    Bush 26
    Cruz 8
    Carson 8
    Rubio 7
    Walker 6
    Huckabee 4
    Kasich 3
    Paul/Fiorina/Jindal 2

    After the (none / 0) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:31:49 AM EST
    debate I would imagine Rubio's might be taking some of those votes from Jeb who was simply horrible.

    As a snapshot where Jeb! is the only (none / 0) (#32)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:39:41 AM EST
    one in the picture, yes - he was pretty bad.  But I don't think you can discount how much worse everyone else was, such that he may end up looking better by comparison.  

    But a lot depends on who's driving the polls, the crackpot Tea Party conservatives or the rest of the GOP, because for the CTPC, Jeb is probably at the top of the list candidates they want to take down.


    I thought Jeb! Was bad (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:46:46 AM EST
    even relatively speaking.  Real bad.  I will be surprised if his numbers don't sink.

    Most people (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:48:27 AM EST
    seem to agree with you on this.

    So far (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:46:19 AM EST
    it seems like the crackpot tea party is the one driving the polls and that's the reason why Trump keeps coming out on top.

    Jeb was just horrible. If people are looking for someone to support outside of a crackpot tea partier I would think they would be looking for someone other than Jeb.


    I agree (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:49:46 AM EST
    i see Kasich rising and Jeb! sinking.   A lot of "heads" seem to think Rubio was just wonderful.  I missed that part.

    Rubio (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:58:40 AM EST
    to me came off as a complete lightweight and totally in over his head. The only reason he would even be considered a "winner" would be because he's different.

    Kasich I can actually understand but Rubio? Not impressed in the least.


    How big is Rubio's paycheck? (none / 0) (#92)
    by ding7777 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:11:43 AM EST
    How is [Hillary] -- how is she gonna lecture me -- how is she gonna lecture me about student loans? I owed over $100,000 just four years ago

    paying back $25k in four years is impressive but someone living paycheck to paycheck cannot do that.


    He didn't (none / 0) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:13:42 AM EST
    pay them off. His sugar daddy did as I understand it. This is why anybody who thinks Rubio is going anywhere is mistaken. Start scratching the surface and he has a lot of baggage and problems.

    Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (none / 0) (#97)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:26:31 AM EST
    Had a great answer this morning on CNN when Chris Cuomo asked her the "How DOES Hillary lecture him...?" question when said something like (paraphrasing here): " She responds by asking, "How is someone who lived paycheck to paycheck always so wrong when it comes to the minimum wage, equal pay, etc?  How is someone who lived paycheck to paycheck so blind to the needs of other people who are doing the same? "



    I think what gets me is that (5.00 / 3) (#100)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:34:16 AM EST
    when someone like Rubio talks about living paycheck to paycheck or having student loan debt in 6 figures, and then points to themselves as an example of being able to rise above it all, no one ever points out that he didn't get where he is today by funding his own ambitions.

    Not that anyone will care (none / 0) (#148)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 06:03:03 PM EST
    but Rubio said he was raised living pay check to pay check and 4 years ago owed $100K.

    He was referring to his life as a child. I think his father was a bar tender.

    So if Hillary wants to talk about actual exposure she's beat by a mile.

    But I agree re minimum wage. It is long past raising it to around $12-$15. I wonder why Obama hasn't?


    You think the POTUS can raise (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by Yman on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 07:55:25 AM EST
    ... the minimum wage.

    That's seriously funny, but (sadly) not even in your top 10.


    No, but then I didn't think he (none / 0) (#196)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 10:10:59 AM EST
    could shut down the coal industry, double electric rates, let millions of undocumented people into the US, leave Iraq and let ISIS take over, give Iran a nuclear bomb and keep the economy depressed for this long......

    Yet he has did it! What a guy!


    Thanks for rolling all the RW (none / 0) (#201)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 11:58:27 AM EST
    talking points in one, neat package of crazy.

    He (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by FlJoe on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 08:20:39 AM EST
    apparently did not learn a thing from his family's financial struggles.

    Poor Marco deep in debt, yet purchasing expensive boats and driving luxury cars.


    An interesting story, Joe, (none / 0) (#192)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 08:43:58 AM EST
    We all know where it will end, with Rubio caught selling access to the cookie jar.

    Possibly because Congress, (none / 0) (#155)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 06:19:52 PM EST
    with the Republicans in the majority in the H of R, would never pass such a bill for him to sign.

    This has been another episode of SATSQ.


    Congress (none / 0) (#157)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 06:28:21 PM EST
    has to approve it and your party does not want it to happen, Jim. This is something that has to go through the wackos in the house who don't want it raised. It could be put on ballot measures in states but we're talking about the federal minimum wage which congress and the senate has to approve.

    Come now, GA. You wouldn't accept that as an (none / 0) (#158)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 06:30:58 PM EST
    excuse for Bush.

    But I guess it is only undocumented persons that rate an illegal EO.



    It actually (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 06:35:19 PM EST
    made it through the house with Bush but it died in the senate but Bush didn't want an increase so...there you go. And if it had made it to his desk he would have vetoed it. So far nothing has been even sent to Obama's desk. When the lazy GOP gets off their duffs and actually does something get back to me and any time Obama does a run around the wackos that are in control of the GOP with an executive order they start screaming he's a dictator. LOL.

    Yes, GA (none / 0) (#171)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:20:17 PM EST
    but Obama had control of BOTH houses and did NOTHING.

    For a very limited time (none / 0) (#173)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:48:17 PM EST
    He had control of both houses.

    But you've just implicitly admitted that the Republicans now in charge aren't interested in sending such a bill to him, and none of the Clown Car candidates are interested in signing such a bill themselves.

    But blame Obama.  It's all you have, isn't it?


    ... is subject to prior congressional approval. It cannot be raised by executive order. Please don't make such statements to the contrary, because that is simply wrong.

    Being wrong never stopped him before... (5.00 / 3) (#167)
    by Molly Bloom on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:09:59 PM EST
    Jim reminds me of this (5.00 / 2) (#168)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:15:55 PM EST
    article from the Onion:

    According to Mortensen--an otherwise mild-mannered husband, father, and small-business owner--the most serious threat to his fanciful version of the 222-year-old Constitution is the attempt by far-left "traitors" to strip it of its religious foundation.

    "Right there in the preamble, the authors make their priorities clear: 'one nation under God,'" said Mortensen, attributing to the Constitution a line from the Pledge of Allegiance, which itself did not include any reference to a deity until 1954. "Well, there's a reason they put that right at the top."

    "Men like Madison and Jefferson were moved by the ideals of Christianity, and wanted the United States to reflect those values as a Christian nation," continued Mortensen, referring to the "Father of the Constitution," James Madison, considered by many historians to be an atheist, and Thomas Jefferson, an Enlightenment-era thinker who rejected the divinity of Christ and was in France at the time the document was written. "The words on the page speak for themselves."

    According to sources who have read the nation's charter, the U.S. Constitution and its 27 amendments do not contain the word "God" or "Christ."

    Mortensen said his admiration for the loose assemblage of vague half-notions he calls the Constitution has only grown over time. He believes that each detail he has pulled from thin air--from prohibitions on sodomy and flag-burning, to mandatory crackdowns on immigrants, to the right of citizens not to have their hard-earned income confiscated in the form of taxes--has contributed to making it the best framework for governance "since the Ten Commandments."

    But Donald!!!!! (none / 0) (#169)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:11:46 PM EST
    The Won hasn't even tried!!!!

    Mordiggian reminds me of this... (none / 0) (#170)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:18:29 PM EST
    Whenever you opine about politics (none / 0) (#172)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:45:03 PM EST
    I'm reminded of this.

    Bernie live tweeted the debate (none / 0) (#40)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:51:36 AM EST
    At this point, a retrospective.

    Here's the link to (none / 0) (#50)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:11:39 AM EST
    Bernie's Twitter feed.

    What he tweeted is probably what most of us were thinking, too.


    Winners and Losers (none / 0) (#41)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:54:32 AM EST
    Looking through over a dozen opinion pieces this morning, here is the wrapup of who the media has declared winners and losers last night.

    Rubio, Trump, Cruz, Paul, Christie, Kasich, Clinton, Walker, Fiorina, Huckabee

    Bush, Women, Trump, Paul, Christie, Huckabee, Carson, Walker, Cruz, Democracy.

    The only candidates on the main stage not mentioned as the winner? Bush and Carson.

    The only candidates on the main stage not mentioned as the loser: Kasich and Rubio.

    So there you have it. An RCP style TL wrapup declaring the biggest winners as Rubio and Kasich and the biggest losers as Bush and Carson.

    From the It Kid to the New Golden Boy? (none / 0) (#144)
    by christinep on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 05:41:34 PM EST
    Not so long ago, all we heard about was the rise of Rand Paul ... whatever. That It Kid of the Moment had his own troubles in maneuvering, evading, and devising answers that would appeal beyond the Libertarian supporters.  With the indictment the other day of his campaign manager, Jesse Benton, on federal charges of illegal campaign contributions a few years ago, there is more than a pall over the one-time shining Paul Kid (btw, Benton is married to Ron Paul's grand-daughter.)

    On we go to the seen-it-coming Establishment Golden Boy, John Kasich.  That former Governor has his own legacy of fiscal issues that roiled Ohio back then (as my cousin and other Ohioans recall) and that former Governor started down the road of being every bit as anti-union in the statehouse as Scott Walker has been (but was extricated from going too deep by the reality of the Ohio strong union demographics.)  Yep, that Governor is today's Shining Star.  How did we all know this was all coming?  For one thing, take a look at scattered comments over the past six months by columnists such as David Brooks and other types from the fiscal conservative East-Northeast group ... comments suggesting that Kasich would be a good candidate.  And, the media leads again (?) ... and, deems him a winner.

    It does seem that the media and others have determined--for now--not to keep giving Jeb! an easy free pass.  Maybe he has appeared too tepid, blah, bland even for the dough boys.


    Kasich (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 05:46:17 PM EST
    is the current governor of Ohio.

    I guess that I'm channeling Perry (none / 0) (#146)
    by christinep on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 05:56:38 PM EST
    Oops.  Somehow I got lost in his first term ... and, its early troubles.  He did turn that around, even if I wished him out of there:)  Yet, he really is very anti-Union in a biding-his-time way; although, he does know when to back off.

    Well (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 06:03:08 PM EST
    i guess everything is relative but relatively speaking I thought he looked pretty good last night.   Not that difficult admittedly.

    If Donald goes to war with both FOX news AND the Koch brothers he is going to make some friends.  I might be one.  

    Ultimately, though, I firmly believe that Donald Trump will not be the Republican presidential nominee- and I don't think it will be because he blows himself up with an outrageous comment, as he has already proved that making outrageous comments only adds to his appeal. What will finally defeat Trump is not likely to be the Donald himself, but the combined might of the people who control the Republican party: mainly the Koch brothers and those, both politicians and other big money players, who trail in their wake. As Congressman Tim Ryan said last night, "What's happening this evening is an audition for the billionaires, the Koch brothers." What they were auditioning for was to be the anti-Trump candidate the Kochs will muscle through the nomination process.
    This cycle, the Kochs and their billionaire friends have pledged $900 million to help the Republicans win -- and that doesn't include the hundreds of millions they are investing in think tanks, academic institutions, PR, and other ways of influencing the broader political narrative. Closely allied to McConnell and most of the other party leaders, they dominate the party's thinking on climate change, taxes, the federal budget, regulatory policy, education policy, and a host of smaller behind-the-scenes issues.

    The Kochs run the Republican show, and they will not let someone outside of their orbit like Trump get his hands on the prize. The Kochs are playing the long game -- they have been happy to accept short-term losses to keep their hands on the controls of the party. So if Trump decides to blow up the Republican chances this year by running as an independent, they will take that hit.

    Yes (none / 0) (#147)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 05:56:56 PM EST
    for the moment it seems. I'm wondering if they're all going to go the same route they did in 2012 where on closer examination they fade or they implode. I take Trump out of that equation because if the stuff he's said already did not do him in nothing is going to. The only people are who are going to be able to get rid of Trump are the voters.

    And then there were 5 (none / 0) (#56)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:22:38 AM EST
    Carly, Donald, Ted, Scott and Ben.

    Kasich and Huckabee, great preachers. See you in church.

    The rest of you, take a few days off and then get on with your life.

    The Mini Cooper (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:28:36 AM EST
    Of Republican candidates.

    A failed businesswoman, the Hair that Roared, Dead-Eyes, the Great Dropout and the Mad Doctor.

    Yeah, heaven forbid a Christian actually brings their values to the table instead of leaving them at church where they belong.


    Hey (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:07:51 AM EST
    my Mini Cooper resents that comparison.

    Yeah, I know. Cool little cars. (none / 0) (#95)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:14:42 AM EST
    If I lived in town, I'd have one for sure.

    I can see the others (none / 0) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:23:53 AM EST
    but insane Ben Carson? Well, it is the GOP primary after all so yeah, I guess insanity works.

    And Walker (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:24:48 AM EST
    is just plain creepy.

    Creepy is as creepy does (none / 0) (#62)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:52:33 AM EST
    in the meantime the Drudge poll, admittedly as non scientific as claiming consensus proves anything, with 493,000 plus votes, gives Trump 49.95%...

    And (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:59:12 AM EST
    that surprises me none Jim. I think Trump is the id of the GOP. He's saying everything that Republicans like you like. I was talking about Walker being creepy not Trump.

    Oh, I understood (none / 0) (#65)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:09:58 AM EST
    I think the line about Walker is that he is aggressively normal, which is strange for a politician.

    Do I like everything Trump says????

    Hmmmmmm, let me think about that.



    he used to be into single payer (none / 0) (#67)
    by CST on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:11:39 AM EST
    I thought you were all about that.

    I think Trump still is (none / 0) (#70)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:18:31 AM EST
    and is probably the only politician who could get it done...now that Obama threw his chance away.

    You know, kinda like Nixon and China.

    But we'll never know because all so-called journalist do is try and ask gotcha questions.

    But the debates were good theater and helped one of my favs, Carly.


    After what she did to H-P (none / 0) (#77)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:35:38 AM EST
    how do you know what she'll do to the whole country?

    Funny... (none / 0) (#82)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:50:19 AM EST
    ...Jim calling Fox News personnel 'so-called journalist'.  I could not agree more.

    'I would go as far as calling the whole network, 'so-called journalism'.


    It's cute, like when children (none / 0) (#105)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:57:59 AM EST
    discover that there is no Tooth Fairy.

    It's more like when your ox is gored.. (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 12:04:58 PM EST
    suddenly hypocrites who always approved of below-the-belt dirty tricks are upset over the lack of journalistic fairness and professionalism..

    Those golden moments (4.00 / 1) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 12:06:39 PM EST
    that make life worth living

    I don't think I ever got a 4 (4.00 / 2) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 04:04:17 PM EST
    B 4

    :D Thanks! (4.00 / 1) (#176)
    by Nemi on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 06:29:54 AM EST
    Peter G and sj ... and Capt Howdy who brought it on (himself :)). That made me literally Laugh Out Loud. Needed that. '-)

    It made me laugh, too (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by sj on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 11:58:03 AM EST

    jondee, where did I say I disapprove?? (none / 0) (#151)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 06:10:34 PM EST
    Pointing out and disapproval is two separate things.

    Please try and keep up.


    Then you weren't aware of (none / 0) (#152)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 06:16:28 PM EST
    or didn't notice this until last night?

    Well, better late than never.


    Awwwee, .... poor Donald (none / 0) (#184)
    by Yman on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 08:05:14 AM EST
    He can't talk about his (non-existent) healthcare plan because the media asks him "gotcha" questions.

    No.  Donald could come out with a position on single payer healthcare anytime he wants to, but he knows this would kill his candidacy with the GOP base, so he just stays vague/silent.


    At the DRUDGE poll (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:14:13 AM EST
    you have to vote to see the total.   I voted for Donald.   Who did you vote for Jimmie

    Captieeeeee ...I proudly voted for that master of (none / 0) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:25:26 AM EST
    entertainment, The Donald!!!

    I am sure he thanks both of us for our support.

    Who would I like to see be the Prez??

    Walker. Carly for VP. Paul for SecDef. Cruz SecState.



    Yeah Walker (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:43:17 AM EST
    that driven, tireless champion of single payer..

    He not only "can't get it done", but doesn't think it's even important enough to try and get done..



    Carly (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:28:20 AM EST
    would be the perfect foil for Hillary. She's the poster girl of everything that is wrong with corporate America today. She'd be something to point at as to how trickle down is a disaster for the average American. That being said I highly doubt the GOP will pick another woman after the disaster of Sister Sarah.

    No (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:25:44 AM EST
    Walker is creepy. He's not normal. He like one of those greasy evangelical preachers that look at all women like they have no clothes on. He's cringe inducing and stupid to boot. Perhaps he really would enjoy being dropped in the middle of ISIS. He'd probably have a lot in common with them.

    Gotta hand it to ya, GA (none / 0) (#74)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:31:08 AM EST
    You obviously know more about greasy preachers than I do... But didn't Sweet Willie make you cringe a bit?? And yes, I'm thinking of some of his more unusual reported sexual actions..and oral sex isn't one of them...

    Nope (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:39:46 AM EST
    He didn't look at women the same way Walker does and Walker also said he is willing to let women die if they have a life threatening pregnancy. Maybe Walker's Motto should be I like my women dead.

    If I were a woman, (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by KeysDan on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:10:14 AM EST
    I would be less alarmed by a loutish dude with a red-hairpiece (or whatever) waving in the wind calling me a "pig", than by a "monks-cap" creep who goes with a pregnant woman's death over a medical procedure to save her life.  But, then, for this line-up, it is  a Trump and I'll raise you one.

    Yes, Walker's supports a woman's right to die (none / 0) (#108)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 12:09:49 PM EST
    AND single payer..

    Plus he busts those greedy unions..

    Whats not to like?


    Abortion rights are here to stay (none / 0) (#153)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 06:16:54 PM EST
    and asking politicians about them is just another example of gotcha questions that waste time. I mean they could have asked Trump to be more exact on his plan to replace Obamacare, Medicare and Medicaid..

    Yet Kelly wanted to get in a p$$$$ contest over him making some nasty remark at, I think, a beauty pageant...yeah, I mean really important stuff.


    Abortion rights are here to stay (none / 0) (#154)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 06:16:54 PM EST
    and asking politicians about them is just another example of gotcha questions that waste time. I mean they could have asked Trump to be more exact on his plan to replace Obamacare, Medicare and Medicaid..

    Yet Kelly wanted to get in a p$$$$ contest over him making some nasty remark at, I think, a beauty pageant...yeah, I mean really important stuff.


    If you think that (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by Yman on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 08:10:18 AM EST
    ... you haven't been paying attention.  There have been a large number of GOP anti-abortion laws passed at the state level in the past few years, and an outright ban by constitutional amendment is party of the national Republican platform.

    Uh, in case you missed it (none / 0) (#198)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 10:27:22 AM EST
    the presidency is a FEDERAL office. And if you think an amendment to ban abortion could pass in 38 states  , then speaking of states rights, you've been smoking what has made Colorado famous.

    No, this issue is one the press likes because it lets everyone stamp their feet, beat their chests and proclaim they are for...or against... Thus fooling their more rabid supporters.

    Not to mention it relieves the press of having to think and ask hard important questions and the politicians from having to answer.

    What a deal for all concerned! And that includes you.


    Try to stay on the subject (none / 0) (#75)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:33:17 AM EST
    instead of finding another far leftie Democrat to bash.

    Isn't Walker the guy (none / 0) (#76)
    by CST on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:34:48 AM EST
    Who said he'd rather let women die than let them have an abortion?

    He can seriously go f*ck himself.


    It was disgusting how they fell all (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:51:45 AM EST
    over themselves trying to outdo each other on the "right to life."  Not that they give a crap about the lives of the mothers, or the lives of the children who do come into the world.  Once a woman gets pregnant, she is an incubator.  Once the baby is born, he or she lives or dies without help from the government - it's boot strap time, people, and if you can't do it on your own, too bad.

    But don't think that means women should have better access to birth control, because somewhere, somehow, that violates someone's religious freedom, so that leaves us with the one and only way to prevent pregnancy and therefore abortion: never have sex.

    And since birth control can fail, we're back to "never have sex."  

    Which explains why they're all just so gosh-darn proud of either voting to defund any and all programs that help women, or pushing to make it happen.  Why they're all so tickled with their fiscal responsibility in cutting food and nutrition programs for the poor, cutting Medicaid or refusing to expand it.

    Honestly, I don't think it's possible for me to be more disgusted with the lot of them; if there was a ballot initiative for each and every one of them to go fk themselves, I would proudly cast my vote "FOR."

    The more I think about these pinheads, the angrier I get.


    I wonder how his wife feels about that (none / 0) (#88)
    by CST on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:03:48 AM EST

    The whole thing makes me pretty sick.


    She probably (none / 0) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:12:14 AM EST
    agrees with him that women should be dead. She's an evangelical and most evangelical woman are the biggest doormats you've ever seen.

    The very one (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:41:03 AM EST
    i thought he looked high last night.   He was just a dumb grin and a 1000 yard stare.  

    Yeah (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:51:09 AM EST
    it's that serial killer stare that makes him so creepy and then he wants women to die on top of that. Ugh.

    Sit him on someone's knee and (none / 0) (#85)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:52:48 AM EST
    he's Charlie McCarthy.

    But maybe not as smart.


    Charley McCarthy (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 11:05:31 AM EST
    High? (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 04:19:29 PM EST
    That's photoshopped right? (none / 0) (#177)
    by Nemi on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 06:54:19 AM EST
    Even though most people have different facial halves - one of my favorite 'passtimes' while listening to people on tv, is to block the view of one half of their face, one at a time, with one eye closed, and using the remote :) - but surely none have that different halves ... by nature!?

    Quite extraordinary if so.


    Mein Shiang (5.00 / 2) (#191)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 08:43:10 AM EST
    It is often said that the eyes are the window to the soul. The ancient Chinese took this a step further, teaching that the entire face is an intimate reflection of a person. This is where your past is recorded, your present is expressed, and your future is predicted. It is from this that ancient scholars derived Mien Shiang, the art of face-reading.

    One of the most basic ideas of Mein Shiang is that the face can be divided into two halves, the left and the right, each one reflecting a different part of your personality. While the right side of your face is an expression of the outer, public personality, the one that you let the world see, the left side of your face is a reflection of your true, inner self, even if you actively try to hide this self from the people around you. So, for example, a person may be smiling more profoundly on the right side as they feign happiness, while the left side betrays their true displeasure.

    The ancient Chinese also thought (none / 0) (#197)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 10:15:43 AM EST
    small feet on girls were great and bound them in cloth strips to prevent further growth.

    Just soooooo smart those ancient ones.


    They also invented an (none / 0) (#199)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 11:52:08 AM EST
    earthquake detector at a time when most Europeans outside of the Roman Empire were illiterate barbarians.

    That is beautiful (none / 0) (#202)
    by sj on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 12:01:49 PM EST
    as well as functional.

    Not photoshopped (none / 0) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 07:09:01 AM EST
    And the poll accurately reflects the (none / 0) (#63)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 09:56:32 AM EST
    preferences of the public at large, and all participants are likely voters.............

    He is creepy (none / 0) (#174)
    by MKS on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 12:06:50 AM EST
    I can't quite put my finger on what it is that bugs me about Walker (apart from his right wing positions) but maybe it his ability to lie so smoothly and just talk at length without saying anything....

    I could only stomach about 10 min (none / 0) (#66)
    by CST on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 10:10:27 AM EST
    I turned it on in the middle.

    From what I saw - Trump killed the question about the casino going bankrupt in Atlantic City.  And he's not wrong on that particular one, he's just also not a good person.  He perfectly represents a lot of the worst aspects of wall street, and his policy suggestions are all bad ideas for the American people, but good ideas for himself maybe, and he is very confident.

    I actually gained a tiny bit of respect for some fox news anchors who weren't shying away from "tough questions" even if the candidates didn't answer them (specifically: what will you say to claims that you don't care about the middle class/poor people)

    Jeb Bush looked nervous, sweaty, and totally out of his league, stuttering and shaky.  I almost felt bad for him, but the cr@p coming out of his mouth ended that real quick.

    Ben Carson was just creepy and weird.

    Chris Christie and Rand Paul went at it.  I agreed more with Rand Paul but I felt Christie came of "stronger" in the republican debate setting.  Ew.

    Rubio I didn't hear speak but he did look nice.  His demeanor is that of a normal person which is more than I can say for most of these guys.

    Ted Cruz and Walker I didn't hear say much memorable but they didn't look nice.  They just look scary.

    Huckabee is a Grade A lunatic.

    Interesting strategy... (none / 0) (#109)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 12:21:03 PM EST
    employed by Kasich, and I think it kinda worked for him...

    While the majority of the clown car tries to stand out by out clowning one another, Kasich went the other way and tried to sound, dare I say, somewhat sane and compassionate.  That really made him stand out amongst the firebreathers, imo.

    If there are still enough sane and reasonable GOP primary voters left to make a difference in their race, he's their horse I think.

    I Am Guessing... (none / 0) (#111)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 12:59:14 PM EST
    ...that is why he came in late, to fill the void with a sane option for sane republican voters.

    I think he is in for a rude awakening.  While many might be sane, they certainly don't poll anywhere in that direction.  Trump leading doesn't indicate there is some silent majority waiting for a reasonable option. If there were, there wouldn't have been 5 radicals on stage last night.


    More likely VP (none / 0) (#113)
    by Reconstructionist on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 01:01:01 PM EST
      Bush/Kasich. That's a ticket with substantial acceptance to moderates/independents and covers 2 of the most important swing states.

      The hard right and just plain loony won't like it, but  unless Trump runs independent, the vast majority of them would vote for that ticket to beat Hillary.



    Bush (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 01:08:45 PM EST
    is a horrible candidate. I'm frankly surprised at how horrible he has been.

    Carly is the Obvious GOP VP Candidate (none / 0) (#161)
    by RickyJim on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 06:59:40 PM EST
    Providing Hillary is the democratic nominee, of course.

    Carly quote (none / 0) (#162)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 07:03:03 PM EST
    Women of every political party owe a debt of gratitude to Hillary Clinton.

    Oops. I don't think she'll be the VP since she said that back in 2008.


    Money, especially, (none / 0) (#117)
    by Reconstructionist on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 01:32:04 PM EST
     but also connections, organization and perceived electability are all very important.

      Clinton is not a good campaigner either and many people make the same observation about how "horrible" she has been so far. But, she is the very likely nominee that notwithstanding.

       Bush has  a harder road ahead than does she but like her he has the edge over his rivals in the "non-personal" aspects.

    "Many people" ... wow (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by Yman on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 08:12:58 AM EST
    "Many people" think the Earth is flat.

    eh (none / 0) (#118)
    by CST on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 01:35:52 PM EST
    Clinton also has the poll numbers.

    And she's never looked as sweaty and nervous as Jeb did last night.  She may not be "personable" but he just looked out of his league.  Which was surprising to me I expected him to at least appear presidential.


    He really (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 01:41:37 PM EST
    looks like he doesn't even want to be there.

    Clinton (none / 0) (#119)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 01:39:01 PM EST
    already has had Bush on the defensive a number of times. She smacked him down at the Urban League and then went after him for his stupid comment about women. Both times he put his tail between his legs and ran.

    Bush has been nicknamed by the GOP as the "metrosexual purse dog". The only way he lasts until the end is money but even then there's no guarantee that he's going to have enough delegates to take the nomination.


    Now that I've seen everything (none / 0) (#121)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 02:21:40 PM EST
    What a horrific attack on women. I'm stunned.

    Who thought that was a good idea?

    Black Lives Matter is connecting with the soul of the country so we are back to bashing in women's skulls?

    They always have to have someone to demonize, vilify,and hate or the Republican party can't GOTV.

    They can't be allowed to get away with this.

    The horrible (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 02:37:25 PM EST
    bashing of women has got to stop but I don't think it will. Ted Bundy Walker won't be happy unless we are dead and he's third in polling nationally and 1st in Iowa.

    I knew it was bad, but to have it (5.00 / 3) (#123)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 02:50:11 PM EST
    all on display at once was truly sickening.

    Trump wanted to make a joke of it, lay it off to pushing back against the tyranny of political correctness.  He didn't apparently see anything wrong with that.  Not a single one of them seems to have any appreciation for the disrespect their attitudes and beliefs convey.  They objectify women, make them into incubators whose lives don't matter.  Treat them as lesser beings who can't be trusted to make their own decisions.

    They make it hard to believe they even know what year it is.

    I attribute a lot of this to religion - or, I should say, to what people have shaped religion to justify, which is just one more reason why it needs to be kept out of government.

    I haven't been able to get it out of my head - and I'd be willing to bet that millions of women feel just as we do; if nothing else motivates women of all ages to get out and vote in November, 2016, this may be the issue that does.


    Not Just Women... (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 03:34:03 PM EST
    ...it's like everyone else is nothing, or worse, the reason they can't succeed, Hispanics, poor people, women, gay people, prisoners(torture), Obama, old people(social security), sick people(ACA), and of course all those nobodies who will die or get maimed in their ME military adventures.  

    The good news is that beyond the political pundit non-sense, this debate helped no one more than the entire democratic party.  

    It's shocking that anyone would vote for any of them.


    when Huckster (5.00 / 2) (#126)
    by CST on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 03:38:05 PM EST
    started talking about pimps and hoes who don't pay taxes...

    I was just like wow, this is how you really see the country.  That's just sad.


    If there's (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 04:06:51 PM EST
    anybody that can make Trump look presidential and less buffoonish it's these jokers. Good lord he looks like a genius to a doctor who advocates torture a religious zealot like Huckabee, a candidate who thinks women should die and the list goes on.

    Hillary must be laughing her head off right now.


    His Greatest Hit... (none / 0) (#128)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 03:49:28 PM EST
    ...using the military to ensure no one gets an abortion.  

    Dog whistles, code words, blah blah blah (none / 0) (#141)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 04:54:06 PM EST
    Also Notice... (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 03:47:04 PM EST
    ...the total lack of republicans at TL when there are discussions about republican ____, not even sure what to call last night, it sure wasn't policy or ideas.  How about the republican go to garbage that that they fling on the public every election cycle that requires we all take acid baths just to get to the point of feeling dirty ?

    They disappear only to reappear when a cop kills an armed black man or some perceived injustice regarding a white male.  When it comes to their actual party, all of them Houdini's.


    Hard to muddy the waters (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 03:55:54 PM EST
    in a cesspool.  No point.

    LOL; my new bumpersticker: (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 04:55:39 PM EST
    I Brake 4 Metaphorical Excess!

    Great post (none / 0) (#124)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 03:14:39 PM EST
    Anne and unfortunately too true.

    And Sanders is going to Liberty University (none / 0) (#143)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 05:02:08 PM EST
    To talk to them about income inequality, reach consensus with them :).  He's doing it again.  He's pushing aside espoused human rights violations in our own country in order to "hopefully" (fingers crossed) address income inequality.  The Democratic nominee has to be able to address both issues simultaneously.  He's blatantly shooting himself in the face right now.  Someone stop him!  Wake up Bernie!  Snap out of it!

    i agree with every dark prediction (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 04:03:22 PM EST
    and pessimistic observation made in this thread.   But the thing that I find most depressing-

    Facing it without Jon Stewart.   I already miss him.

    You aren't kidding. (none / 0) (#135)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 04:07:42 PM EST
    Let's just hope the next person is as good.

    I like Trevor Noah (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 04:11:27 PM EST
    hes a funny guy.  But there is only one Jon Stewart.

    me too (none / 0) (#138)
    by CST on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 04:19:57 PM EST
    and he certainly can't and shouldn't try to be Jon Stewart.  He'll be his own thing.  I'm optimistic it will be good.  But it won't be Jon.

    Considering he wasn't even one of the debaters... (none / 0) (#140)
    by citizenjeff on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 04:41:03 PM EST
    ...there are a lot of references to Ron Paul in this post. :)

    You're right. (none / 0) (#166)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:34:15 PM EST
    We can henceforth avoid the mistake of conflating Ron and Rand Paul as one and the same, by referencing the son by his distinguished nickname - Aqua Buddha.

    Desperation (none / 0) (#160)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 06:46:32 PM EST
    just saw the following exchange with Tweety and a republican mouthpiece

    What conservatives don't want to see is Donald Trump setting Hillary up for a win which is what many suspect he has been up to all along.  Don't forget, this is a guy who has been very close to her, he's donated to her...

    You think he's a mole?!

    I don't know if he is or not but many people think so.  I'm not saying he is.



    THIS is officially laughably desperate.

    $ 5400 (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by BarnBabe on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 12:26:41 AM EST
    I read this morning that was the amount he contributed to her. And when asked what favor he received in return when he called her, they came to his wedding.

    I do want to state a personal opinion of the Donald. I do not hate him but I also do not want him as the President of my country. We all get our laughs but this is very serious. I remember that actor from California, the wrestler from Minnesota, The Governator, the guy from Texas who people thought it would be a lot of fun to have a beer with, and the dead guy from California who won his congressional seat. I thought it would never happen that the people from this land would vote these people into office, but it happened and not with great results either. I believe the more we elevate them based upon their kookiness, the more we secure their candidacy. This needs to stop now and we need to start dealing with them as legitimate and seriously. I can not even laugh at Trump anymore because it scares me to death that there are enough people in the US who would actually vote for him. Just because he is different, yells, and is crude. We need to start dealing with issues now and we can laugh later.


    I hear ya (none / 0) (#179)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 07:16:28 AM EST
    i made a comment with the same sentiment recently.


    I really really really don't think we have to worry about Donald being president.   I really don't.

    I urge everyone to google his latest comments, made late last night about Meghan Kelly.  
    They are unbelievable and so crass I won't even post them here.   I do not think it will "sink" him broadly speaking but he would never ever beat a female candidate for president.

    Personally I think we are completely safe in stirring the pot the help him steer the republicans into a panicked tailspin.



    The chickens are coming home to roost (5.00 / 2) (#180)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 07:49:57 AM EST
    This bit of performance art sent formerly-amoral Erick Erickson into paroxysms of suddenly-discovered righteous indignation, whereupon he "disinvited" Trump from his speaking gig at the Red State gathering in Georgia and chivalrously invited Megyn Kelly to speak in his place.

    Oh, what a man. A true Galahad. I'm sure his white horse is lurking right around the corner.

    Keep in mind, this sudden burst of indignation is coming from the same man who said...

    About Ted Kennedy: "Today Ted Kennedy plots our deaths..." (h/t The Political Carnival)
    About Judge Souter: "[he] is a "goat f*&king child molester"
    He thinks Rush Limbaugh is Jesus.
    He openly called for armed revolt and beating politicians to a bloody pulp.
    He said the media "gang-raped" conservative politicians.
    Suggested that the Nobel Committee had an affirmative action quota
    Said that "leftists are Nazis" and the Nazis were liberal socialists.
    Said that the Alaska Democrats gave out Sarah Palin's SS# (a fact he pulled wholly from his posterior)
    Told his readers to send Olympia Snowe rock salt for her work on HCR. (Rock salt melts snow--get it?)
    Suggested that Obama was friends with a child molester
    Claimed the left has more dominance in the blogosphere because the right are too busy raising the children they didn't abort.
    But wait! That was the 2010 collection. We're not done yet.

    and they are bringing their pets and live in boyfriends

    Oh, (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 08:13:38 AM EST
    yes and he said women are morally inferior to men. The whole Donald thing has NOTHING to do with what he said about Megyn Kelly. There's some other reason and he's just using it as an excuse.

    And (none / 0) (#188)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 08:19:36 AM EST
    the accouncment at his little party was greeted with boos and demands for refunds.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#194)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 08:55:17 AM EST
    read the Facebook page. It's full of people screaming at Erickson that he's being politically correct and that he's trying to silence and that the only reason people watched the Fox Debate was because of Trump (true) and that Megyn sandbagged Trump (looked true).

    Oh and (none / 0) (#189)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 08:20:28 AM EST
    Koch brothers.

    Not (none / 0) (#183)
    by FlJoe on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 08:04:50 AM EST
    to mention his many sexist comments.
    " Referring to the first night of the 2012 Democratic National Convention, during which first lady Michelle Obama and other women leaders appeared, Erickson tweeted, "First night of the Vagina Monologues in Charlotte going as expected":

    Ha, ha Eric, the biggest news about your little soiree is the Donalds absence.


    Trump (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by FlJoe on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 07:54:47 AM EST
    is trolling the entire country, especially the Republican party. Donald does not want to be president, it would seriously degrade his lifestyle, he just wants attention.

    Unfortunately for the GOP he has "touched a nerve" in the base, unfortunately that nerve happens to be the brain stem.

    Donald has become the proverbial loose cannon for the Republicans.


    So they're (none / 0) (#163)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 07:06:22 PM EST
    not only shopping conspiracy theories about Hillary they're now including Trump in them.

    The thing is they don't need Trump. It's not like Ted Bundy Walker didn't do enough damage or Huckabee or whomever. I mean they went through this back in 2012 and there was no Trump. Who do they think they're fooling?


    Themselves, mostly. (none / 0) (#165)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 07, 2015 at 08:30:35 PM EST
    Krugman: (none / 0) (#193)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 08:51:20 AM EST
    From Trump on Down, the Republicans Can't Be Serious

    Funny funny funny (none / 0) (#195)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 08:55:32 AM EST
    i have MSNBC on.   Right now Amorosa is on schooling the table of horrified DC eggheads on the Trump phenom.

    It's wonderful.   The best coverage of Trump I've seen in spite of all the best efforts of the host and panelists.  Who are speechless at the end.

    It will be up someplace soon I will link.

    Motive? (none / 0) (#203)
    by christinep on Sat Aug 08, 2015 at 05:18:38 PM EST
    So ... Mr. Erick had recently announced that he is leaving RedState blog.  Where does he go?  Maybe he needs/wants a spot at Fox as a commentator or whatnot or Friend of Megyn?  Who knows why he is suddenly so concerned about sexist slurs :)