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Climate Change Conference

By Jeralyn, Section Other Politics
Posted on Tue Dec 01, 2015 at 09:45:00 AM EST
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Climate change. The New York Times has this report. On the car radio yesterday, all the nay-saying pundits wanted to do was link it to terrorism. I learned nothing except what a waste of time it is to listen to cable news.

Here's a thread to discuss climate change.

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    Well, if nothing else, maybe this will (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Anne on Tue Dec 01, 2015 at 07:18:32 AM EST
    give ol' jim, our favorite climate change skeptic, a place to hang out...and argue with himself.

    There is a difference between being skeptical (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Tue Dec 01, 2015 at 08:49:08 AM EST
    and being ignorant

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    True - I was, perhaps, too kind in my (none / 0) (#3)
    by Anne on Tue Dec 01, 2015 at 08:55:59 AM EST
    choice of words, since what really happens is that he works very hard to maintain his denial.

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    anne, could you please (1.00 / 1) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 01, 2015 at 07:59:59 PM EST
    quit making things up?????

    I have not said that climate is not changing. In fact, I have specified that it has been changing since day 1.

    The issue is this. I do not believe that we have man made global warming.....MMGW

    what Carlin says.

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    Jim, you're making things up (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by jondee on Tue Dec 01, 2015 at 08:18:16 PM EST
    about people making things up!!!!!

    We all know she was referring specifically to your continued comical refusal to own up to the human contribution global warming.

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    "The Most Misunderstood Man in (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Anne on Tue Dec 01, 2015 at 08:40:25 PM EST
    the World."

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    So true jim. (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by lentinel on Wed Dec 02, 2015 at 05:40:26 AM EST
    There is global warming, but it is not due to all the emissions and filth we humans, we Americans, have put into our air.

    It is clearly a coincidence that the planet has gotten hotter, according to leftist media. Actually, it don't seem much hotter with the AC on anyways.

    It is clearly the fault of unruly glaciers, obviously influenced by left-leaning media to melt. They are so dumb to be swayed by tree-huggers.

    And that sun we have.
    Beating away at the same pace - ignoring our depleting ozone layer. What a commie! We should get a new sun that is not allied to some terrist faction. We need military action to overthrow the sun, that is for sure.

    All that is needed for the moment are a few more sump pumps.
    And those lunatic fringe islands that are starting to be inundated - they need a few air balloons placed under the wealthier parts of town.

    Sarah Palin, as her State begins to disappear is the only rational person in the country. Drilling is the way to go for sure.

    I'm so against all this left-wing commie environmental stuff that I am running my air conditioners and radiators at the same time just to prove a point. And I have the windows open too.

    And - those forests!
    They are the dumbest things around. They don't read the papers.
    They hear about deforestation and think that is the way to go.

    Rats. Mice. Cockroaches.
    The wave of the future.

    It's time that we stopped the hysteria and relaxed and enjoyed the fruits that God, in its wisdom, hath laid upon it.

    Time's up fellas and girls, the Lord seemeth to be saying.
    Nothing you can do. So, buckle up, light up, and have a nice day.

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    Good point about using the A/C, lentinel. (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Dec 02, 2015 at 08:20:29 AM EST
    Global warming is easy to solve.  

    And if generating the electricity that runs your air conditioners exacerbates the problem, leaving mother earth even worse off, buy a bigger air conditioner.

    And spend more time inside, watching FOX.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 02, 2015 at 07:06:13 PM EST
    The Great Pause has now persisted for 17 years 11 months. Indeed, to three decimal places on a per-decade basis, there has been no global warming for 18 full years. Professor Ross McKitrick, however, has upped the ante with a new statistical paper to say there has been no global warming for 19 years.
    Whichever value one adopts, it is becoming harder and harder to maintain that we face a "climate crisis" caused by our past and present sins of emission.

    Link

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    So (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by FlJoe on Wed Dec 02, 2015 at 08:12:20 AM EST
    you are willing to admit that the climate is changing but you have called all climate studies that point to warming temperatures as frauds and hoaxes.

    Will you finally admit that the climate is on a warming trend as shown by empirical evidence even if you don't accept mankind's contributes it?

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    No, I have said that Man Made Global Warming (none / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 02, 2015 at 07:50:10 PM EST
    is a hoax. And, as I noted above, the warming went on pause 17 years and 11 months ago.

    And every forecast of terrible happenings hasn't happened.

    And even Dr Phil Jones on England's East  Anglia University's  Climate Research Unit -CRU - agreed in what he thought was a private email that was later hacked,

    ....The scientific community would come down on me in no uncertain terms if I said the world had cooled from 1998. OK it has but it is only 7 years of data and it isn't statistically significant."

    Now the date of that email was July 5 2005. 12 years and 5 months later the pause continues. Of course Jones knew the facts and admitted it again.

    I would like to see the climate change happen, so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. This isn't being political, it is being selfish.

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    If you would like to see something happen that means it hasn't happened.

    And then we have this from Dr Schneider who said it was okay to lie.

    To capture the public imagination,
    we have to offer up some scary scenarios,make simplified dramatic statements and little mention of any doubts one might have.

    Each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective,
    and being honest."

    - Leading greenhouse advocate, Dr Stephen Schneider( in interview for "Discover" magagzine, Oct 1989)

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    What you have is called "consensus."

    Of course consensus isn't science. Learned men once thought the earth flat. Doctors did not believe in germs and "bleeding" was an acceptable treatment for pneumonia.

    Of more recent times we had Phrenology. The science of feeling for bumps on the head to determine the intelligence and character of the patient.

    But the final stake through the heart of the hoax is that it fails to pass these requirements of what is a Scientific Theory.

    "A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation andexperimentation.[1][2] Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy. As with all forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and aim for predictive and explanatory force.[3][4]
    "

    What you have is a small "t" theory. It must be accepted on faith.

    So must all religions.

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    All that from the scientifically-enlightened (none / 0) (#36)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 02, 2015 at 08:39:01 PM EST
    poster who claims the universe was created in six days..

    He can't prove it, mind you..

    And who says at his blog that scientists in general can't be trusted because they "believe things", presumably more than the average person. Or so the theory goes..

    Interestingly, when making that claim, Jim quotes a writer who once said blacks were better off under slavery.

    So much for credibility.

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    To Be Clear... (none / 0) (#24)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Dec 02, 2015 at 12:55:35 PM EST
    ...your actual claim is the Earth is cooling, so yes, you are correct in that you have admitted climate is changing.

    It's funny how you continue to prove the very claims you think you are shooting down.  Like that you are in denial about Global Warming.  Your denial is so deep it's actually reversed into some right wing amalgamation that you should probably refer to as Global Cooling.

    Yeah, yeah, I know an iceberg in the Svalbard is cooler than it was yesterday...

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    Scott you continue to make things up (none / 0) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 02, 2015 at 07:53:03 PM EST
    which is your juvenile attempt at what??

    I haven't claimed anything beyond that the MMGW so called consensus is a hoax and the warming trend has been on hold from 17 years.

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    You do know that any scientist (none / 0) (#37)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 03, 2015 at 12:07:47 AM EST
    with half a brain would know that attempting to perpetrate the kind of "hoax" you're talking about would be perfect career suicide..

    If you knew anything about the scientific method you'd know that it's been refined over hundreds of years to expose sloppy thinking, poor methodology, and chicanery..

    So, unless there are THAT many stupid ,mentally unbalanced, and self-destructive scientists in the world, your conspiracy theory (a hoax in itself, if there ever was one), makes no sense whatsoever.

    The trouble is, you attribute all the humbug you subscribe to to the outside world and that's all that you can see.

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#38)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Dec 03, 2015 at 05:33:10 AM EST
    And that is the point

    you're talking about would be perfect career suicide..

    The climate chicken little's have perpetrated a atmosphere where anyone questioning their theory is an outcast. That is not the scientific method, that is the methodology of the Catholic Church hundreds of years ago.

    The recent uncovering of NOAA reducing historical temperature measurements from 50 years ago, and only detected after statistical research is alarming, it appears that Hide the Decline is making a comeback.

    The trouble is, I have taken the time to research real scientists that have a differing viewpoint instead of lapping up the hysteria fed to everyone by the mass media.

    And that after reading the viewpoints of such scientists, again, Dyson, Curry, agree that global warming is a unproven theory.

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    Yeah Alll Those Poor Saps... (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Dec 03, 2015 at 06:03:29 PM EST
    ...losing ground in Alaska and the Maldives must be wrong about the rising sea levels and their need for new land.

    A global conspiracy in which Fox News viewers are the only ones who know the truth.

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    The problem (none / 0) (#40)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:55:04 AM EST
    We are shutting down power plants in this country, putting large numbers of people out of work and on the government dole....

    Meanwhile...................

    More than 2,400 coal-fired power stations are under construction or being planned around the world, a study has revealed two weeks after Britain pledged to stop burning coal. The new plants will emit 6.5 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide a year and undermine the efforts at the Paris climate conference to limit global warming to 2C. China is building 368 plants and planning a further 803, according to the study by four climate change research bodies, including Ecofys and the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research. India is building 297 and planning 149. Rich countries are also planning new coal plants. The nuclear disaster at Fukushima has prompted Japan to turn back to coal, with 40 plants in the pipeline and five under construction.

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    Another variation on.. (none / 0) (#41)
    by jondee on Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 10:41:52 AM EST