Tuesday Open Thread

It's Election day. Don't forget to vote.

Ahmed Chalabi, who urged the U.S. to invade Iraq, has died of a heart attack.

In other news, Rafael Amaya-Nunez, lead actor of Senor de los Cielos, apparently took his role too much to heart last week. He was admitted to the hospital for a drug overdose. Telemundo and his office did not deny the report. After several hours in intensive care, he was able to move around and recovered. He's now on a well-deserved vacation, according to Telemundo.

Season 4 has been filming for a few months, and is almost done. There will be a season 5 as well. I just wish they wouldn't kill off so many good characters. (My recap of Season 3 is here. I describe Season 1 here.)

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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  • NYT obit of Chalabi contains a lot of info (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by oculus on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 12:16:48 PM EST
    new to me. link

    For example,

    Mr. Chalabi's relationship with the Americans stretched over decades. In 1998, he helped persuade Congress to pass the Iraq Mr. Chalabi's relationship with the Americans stretched over decades. In 1998, he helped persuade Congress to pass the Iraq Liberation Act, which was signed by President Bill Clinton and declared it the policy of the United States to replace Mr. Hussein's government with a democratic one.

    More post Benghazi polling this week (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 12:40:24 PM EST
    NH Clinton +3
    IA Clinton +32
    FL Clinton +42
    GA Clinton +57

    #Hillarytough (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 01:07:02 PM EST
    new saying. Lot's better than #Jebwillfixit. LOL.

    #JebHasBlownIt (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 01:37:36 PM EST
    #TheSmartOneSrikesAgain (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by FlJoe on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 07:51:55 PM EST
    The former Florida governor apparently failed to secure the JebCanFixIt.com domain name when he rolled out the slogan as part of the relaunch of his sagging presidential campaign.

    Whenever I feel the slightest twinge of (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:46:36 PM EST
    pity for him, I remember just exactly who he is and what he comes from, and then I think that maybe it's time karma had her way with at least one of these horrid, horrible people.

    And really, in the panoply of terrible things that can happen to a person, poor, wittle, Jebbie not getting to join the family club of presidents isn't anywhere near the list.

    Maybe one day he and some of his comrades will ponder what it says about the Republican Party that someone who appears - and appearances can be deceiving - to have most of his marbles most of the time is getting thrown over for some truly, obviously, irretrievably, crazy alternatives.


    What once (none / 0) (#90)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 06:24:15 AM EST
    Was a plus in Republican circles, the Bush name,
    Has become a drawback for his candidacy.

    That and also there are better candidates and retail politicians than him in this race,
    Rubio, Christie, Cruz.

    And the anti politician fervor in both parties.

    No, no pity for Jeb, politics, politicians , and governing, not directly related.

    One of my favorites Bill Bradley, found that out on the national level.


    #JebNeedsFixing - or perhaps ... (none / 0) (#67)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:21:21 PM EST
    ... #JebsInaFix or #Jeb!TheFixIsIn.

    LOL (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 02:45:03 PM EST
    Yeah, he's trying to run his brother's campaign from 2000 and no one is buying.

    It didn't win in 2000 either, without an assist (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 06:06:32 AM EST
    from SCOTUS

    #JebsBrotherBrokeIt. (none / 0) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 04:11:45 PM EST
    What a sorry-assed family the Bushes have been for the last four generations. Great-Grandpa George Walker was ethically corrupt, Grandpa Prescott Bush was amoral, Poppy George H.W. Bush was both entitled and mediocre, and Dubya and Jeb! are walking embodiments of the Peter Principle. What they are to America, the Romanovs are to Russia.

    Did you hear Maxine Waters on Maher (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 03:23:16 PM EST
    Blurt out that Jeb! is a wimp :)? When Maxine says it it sounds like ice is cold, the Sahara is dry, and Jeb! is a wimp.

    No (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 03:41:34 PM EST
    don't have HBO but I will take your word for it :)

    yep (none / 0) (#30)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 05:15:28 PM EST
    The Great Debate Debate is Unraveling (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 01:56:37 PM EST
    From Washington Monthly:

    Today the United Debate Debate front is rapid unraveling as the actually very different interests of the candidates begin to manifest themselves. Four candidates (Trump, Kasich, Fiorina and Christie) have refused to sign onto a protest letter dictating terms to the networks. And at least one candidate, Christie, is mocking the whole exercise, as reported by Politico's Isenstadt, Gass and Gold:

       "Why are we wasting time whining and bickering over this?" he asked. "I'd rather spend my time going out there talking to voters to talk about issues that really matter to the country, and if you think anybody who's watching those debates really really cares about the future of the country is worried about whether a bathroom is close? Come on."

        "If you can't exert bladder control for two hours, maybe you shouldn't be president of the United States," he cracked.

    A new litmus test for candidates!


     As HuffPost's Sam Stein reports, Team Carson would apparently prefer a "debate" made up basically of opening and closing statements:

       Ben Carson, the neurosurgeon-turned-top presidential candidate, has not hid his displeasure with the current structure of Republican debates. His campaign finds them argumentative and disjointed, and they are spearheading a meeting on Sunday evening in Washington, D.C., to figure out ways to upend the system.

        The proposal they appear set to push to the other campaigns will be to actually eliminate the debating portion of the debates.

        Carson's campaign wants to have all the candidates onstage and to give each of those candidates five minutes, minimum, for opening and closing statements, according to The Wall Street Journal.

    Who would even watch that?

    They don't need moderators, they need palyground monitors...

    The whole (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 02:41:08 PM EST
    party reminds me of a bunch of middle school boys running around hurling insults with one mean girl in the group for good measure.

    Obama skewers GOP for debate demands (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 02:44:16 PM EST
    Obama mocks the GOP candidates for their whiny complaints about the debate:



    What they want is (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Zorba on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 03:17:21 PM EST
    free airtime for their campaign propaganda, without having to pay for it.  Two hours, more or less, of campaign commercials.

    They want (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 03:31:14 PM EST
    Scott Walker dropped out (none / 0) (#19)
    by KeysDan on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 03:54:02 PM EST
    too soon.  This crop needs an expert in collective bargaining, Scott, by destruction, probably learned about them.  But, they have Trump who is a terrific negotiator should get everything each and everyone wants, even if at diametric odds.

    The only way these people (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:39:10 PM EST
    ...know how to win an election is to cheat.  So each of them is trying to rig the process to favor his or her presentation.  

    But if it works for one, it doesn't for another.  Allowing a (shudder) third party to make that decision is out.  Third parties ask questions,  GOP candidates don't like questions, at least not like Hillary Clinton likes questions, as a means to show that she knows the answers.  They like to give rehearsed talking points.  Answers are for losers.  

    Donald Trump has never been in a position where he had to answer an uncomfortable question, or been challenged on something he said or wrote.  He doesn't even like to shake hands.  He has always been in control of the environment he is presented in.  A real candidate doesn't get that sort of juice.  If Trump doesn't show up to debate Hillary or Bernie, the Democratic candidate will still do fine.

    The inmates are running the asylum, and they have locked the RNC out.


    Paul Ryan, the new Speaker, wants (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by KeysDan on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 02:32:33 PM EST
    a clean sweep and a picture perfect Republican House.  Ryan has quickly acted to rid the Speaker's suite of the cigarette smoke bequeathed by John Boehner. Carpet and upholstering deep cleaning with replacements to follow.

    In another, quieter move, the portrait
    of the longest serving Republican Speaker Dennis Hastert, which hung in the posh Speaker;s lobby, off the House chamber, was removed.

      A spokesman for Ryan said that the new speaker "rotated in a different portrait."  Since 1910 portraits of all speakers are hung in the Speaker's lobby and nearby corridors and stairwells.

    There were no sightings as to where Hastert's portrait was freshly rotated.  But, the prominent spot occupied for years by Hastert now portrays former Speaker Frederick Gillett (R.MA), 1919-1925.

     Representative Gillett was the last speaker who left the House for the Senate. And, was known for tooling about in his 1926 Pontiac roadster. Gillett assumed the speakership following the assertive leadership style of Joseph Cannon.

     Gillett was expected to exercise less control by his caucus since, as was reported, he was someone who did not drink coffee at breakfast for fear it would keep him awake all day.  

    Sorry to hear Raphael, star of (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by fishcamp on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 02:57:09 PM EST
    'Señor de los Cielos', OD'ed or whatever he did.  I finally wound up watching all 62 of those shows.  He's the star of several other narco-trafficante shows.  Too much money and blow...happens down there.  Used to happen up here too, but not so much anymore.  They've moved on to more dangerous drugs.  I've moved on to Tito's vodka upon KeysDan's and other recommendations.  It seems to evaporate fast.

    Tell me about it.... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 06:07:55 PM EST
    fishcamp...heard through the grapevine my junkie friend is in the hospital with the dirty needle flesheating disease going around.

    I just hope this is finally her rock bottom, and she can detox and get clean.

    Sh;t sucks man.


    What's she (none / 0) (#42)
    by NYShooter on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 06:23:57 PM EST
    hooked on?

    Smack... (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 06:42:41 PM EST
    worked her way there from the pills...all too common tale these days.

    Mentioned her one or twice before...breaks my heart, but I had to cut her outta my life. I told her if and when she decides she decides to get clean Ill be there for her, but until that day stay the f#ck away from me with that garbage. I got no room in my life for a junkie clown show, and that's what she has become.


    Well, there's worse dope (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by NYShooter on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 07:26:37 PM EST
    than the brown sugar.......crystal(crack)coke for one.

    She's lucky , dog. You can beat smack; not pleasant, but not impossible either. Crack, on the other hand, is in a world all its own.

    Let her know, Life is still a realistic goal, she can do it. But, if she touches the other stuff, run like hell, buddy; her life, and, very possibly yours, will be finished. I spent a hundred Large, hired the best minds in Manhattan trying to get a close family member through it. Every one of the experts told me the same thing, "don't waste your money."

    They were right.

    Tell your friend, I'll be rooting for her.


    Thanks Shooter and All... (5.00 / 2) (#138)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 11:34:22 AM EST
    for the good wishes.

    Funny, in my experience people with coke/crack addictions have a higher success rate getting clean than the heroin addicts I have known.  No experience with meth addicts, thank goodness.


    Same here (none / 0) (#141)
    by CST on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 11:46:15 AM EST
    Meth doesn't seem to show up as much in the northeast.  Not sure why - not that I'm complaining.

    MT talking about how meth permanently changes you - I think you see that to an extent with heroin too.  It definitely leaves a stamp on your physical appearance, even if you are clean, the look is still there.  It's to the point where I can pretty much tell just from looking at someone's face.


    Oh definitely... (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 11:52:37 AM EST
    you can see it in a heroin/opiate addict's eyes, their walk, their mannerisms...you can spot one right away.

    As for kicking any addition, I think it's more about the person than the drug I think...the demons in the soul that led them to the depths of addiction in the first place, and the vicious cycle that follows...get high to escape the demons, then feel like sh*t for being a junkie and awaken the demons, get high, demon grows, get high, demon grows.  So complicated, so tragic.


    Not correct (none / 0) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 11:53:04 AM EST
    Meth has been widely used, in the northeast and everywhere else. In the gay community since at least the 70s when I came in the scene.

    The pearl clutching around meth amuses me a little.  I love meth.

    HORRORS!!!  Did I really say that!???

    I did.  I love it.  I have always loved it.  Called Tina widely in the gay community since it I assume gives you Tina Turner energy.

    It's a recreational drug.   Like any other many thousands of people use it regularly without losing their teeth or their minds.   I still love it.   I get it regularly and often use it with my nephew who also loves it and has a full time job.

    Meth is a recreational drug.   The fact that hillbillies use it till their teeth fall out is irreverent to the thousands of gay men who use it wvery weekend.


    Any drug... (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 11:59:14 AM EST
    can be a recreational drug used to little or no ill effect.  Meth, Coke, Heroin, Alcohol, Tobacco...the lot of them.

    It's just a lot harder to walk the line with some drugs for users with demons and without the discipline for moderation.  I like opiates myself, but I will not try heroin because I know me and I'm positive I'd like it too much to trust myself to walk the line.  When I'm told I have 6 months to live, then I might give it a whirl.


    True (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 12:08:12 PM EST
    IMO the "demons" of others should not prevent me from doing something I love.  

    I'm just the opposite.  Not into downs.  Never have been.    Ups are us.

    Dusting the ceiling fans at 4am.


    Absolutely... (none / 0) (#155)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 12:47:01 PM EST
    could not agree more...that's kindergarten sh&t, Little Johnny is eating the crayons so the whole class can't use crayons.  The problem ain't the crayons, the problem is Little Johnny.

    The right to imbibe anything is an inalienable right endowed by our creator, imo.  Plus, prohibition doesn't work and creates more problems while solving none.

    I'm of the opposite taste...sober my mind goes a mile a minute, a Nervous Norman if you will...downers for me!  Something to keep me from dusting the ceiling fan at night.  If I need an aid to ward off sleep, I like Adderal or Provigil aka kiddie doses of speed.


    People are gonna do what they want (none / 0) (#160)
    by CST on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:00:56 PM EST
    The problem comes in when they want to get clean and for whatever reason - lack of services/support/it's hard - they can't.

    I guess I'd feel somewhat differently about the heroin problem if I hadn't known so many people who wanted to and tried to kick it and still couldn't do it.  And then end up dead because they relapsed.


    Exactly... (none / 0) (#162)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:22:28 PM EST
    all drugs should be legal, taxed, reasonably regulated/controlled based on the associated dangers/risks, and all tax revenue generated allocated to free mental/spiritual health and addiction treatment on demand for all those who desire it.  If that's not enough cash, reallocate funds currently spent on the harmful prohibition model.  I think we come out ahead dollar-wise too.

    Not that I think she would go for it, but I've researched low or no cost treatment/rehab options for my friend and there really aren't any.  Not without a long waiting list.

    That's the best we can do to address the societal problems of irresponsible use and addiction, imo.  And a big improvement over our current tactics.

    With the problems being felt more and more by middle class white people, and even Republicans finally realizing prohibition/criminalization blows, maybe some positive changes are finally ripe to occur. If the drug war/prison industrial complex lobby and the representatives they've bought don't stand in the way.


    Add... (none / 0) (#168)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:47:10 PM EST
    forgot another obvious upside to full on legalization...pharmaceutical grade drugs and accurate dosages.  Alotta times it's not the heroin or cocaine that gets ya...it's the cutting agents and unknown dosage.

    It's why Keith Richards is still alive with a new record out...he had the money and connects to get pharmaceutical grade sh*t during his many years of addiction.


    Except (none / 0) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:57:19 PM EST
    Maureen Dowd

    LOL... (none / 0) (#177)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 02:00:48 PM EST
    Vincent: What the fuck do you need a medical book for?
    Lance: I've never had to give an adrenalin shot.
    Vincent: You never give an adrenalin shot?
    Lance: I've never had to, all right! I don't go joy-poppin' with bubble-gummers! My friends can handle their highs!
    Vincent: GET THE SHOT!

    No such thing as moderation for addicts (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 03:36:50 PM EST
    The overwhelming consensus is that abstinence is absolutely essential in recovering from drug addiction or alcoholism.    

    That means no dope or beer or meth....no switching one drug for another.....just feeding addiction that way....

    And 12 step programs are the only ones that seem to work.....The Passages outfit in Malibu with its assertion that it could cure the underlying addiction, and its dissing of 12 step programs, is dangerous quackery.....The guy on t.v. was not cured but died from a heroin overdose....


    I do not agree (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 03:04:06 PM EST
    I do think that drug use should be decriminalized....No one should go to jail for its use--or sale (assuming it is sold according to a highly regulated and taxed effort.)

    That does not mean that it is a good idea to use meth or whatever.....I remember when it was taught in the schools that cocaine was not addictive....ha, ha.

    Your extolling the "virtues" (remember, that is in quotation marks) of meth is simply wrong....That is my opinion......You can state yours, and I can state mine.....

    Most treatment programs treat all addictions as of a stripe.....Trading one addiction or drug for another does not work.

    So, knock yourself out with Meth, but it is a terrible idea.....  


    To be abundantly clear (none / 0) (#193)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 05:13:49 PM EST
    Extolling virtues had nothing to do with it.   If you some how get the impression I was encouraging the use of meth I was not.  Not meth or any thing else.   I was doing one thing,   Speaking from experience.   I was not talking about a friend I had who did meth.    I was stating a fact.  I like meth.   And I know lots of completely functional many highly professional and successful people who also do.   I was stating that it is a recreational drug like any other and the thousands of us who have used it over many years are not responsible for those who are not able to do that.

    I will say this.   My personal love affaire with it almost certainly has to do with the fact that I am a diagnosed ADHD.  With a script for Adderall.  Which I have not filled in over a year.   I don't fill it any more because I don't need it since I am no longer working.   I no longer need to be focused and in fact quite enjoy being unfocused.   And also I don't fill it because frankly it has an element of wear and tear on a person.    Particularly a senior citizen.   I don't need it any more.

    That said, when I do meth which I like AdderallZilla,  Adderall is nothing but highly refined low dosage meth,  I feel the most extraordinary focus.  Kdog mentioned feeling nervous.  This is typically what a normal person feels from amphetamine.  An ADHD sufferer has an entirely different response.   It's like the opposite of nervous.  It's focus.  And presence of mind.  
    Well, and the energy of Tina Turner.


    True, Adderall and Ritalin (none / 0) (#194)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 05:51:49 PM EST
    have that counter effect for those with ADHD--slowing down or focusing those with ADHD, rather than speeding them up.....

    But the treatment of ADHD with such drugs is far from non-controversial....I won't try to stand between anyone and speed, whether it is recreational or not, therapeutic or not.

    What does hurt, is those in recovery, who have a way of rationalizing everything, latching onto the idea that some drugs are not addictive and are recreational only.

    I do believe in the power of example.....The subconscious does not process the word "not," or negative scenarios or photos as negative....They just register.....

    So what you do does have an impact on others....


    Guilt doesn't work on me (none / 0) (#195)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 06:01:08 PM EST
    What else you got?

    Ah ha (none / 0) (#197)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 06:16:39 PM EST
    Someone else who believes in the power of the reticular activating system.....me, you, that scumbag advisor Frank who works for the GOP, and Donald Trump :)

    You are into reticular activation (none / 0) (#198)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 06:22:45 PM EST
    I am into self medication.   Whatever works.

    Touche Captain (none / 0) (#199)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 06:25:38 PM EST
    Of your own ship :)

    It exists (none / 0) (#157)
    by CST on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 12:54:55 PM EST
    and no doubt like all things it's going to be more prevalent in a small group of people who know about it - but it's really not widely used, statistically there are way fewer meth labs here.

    When you compare this map of meth labs to a this map of population you'll see that the northeast really is a blank spot for meth when compared to the population.

    To be honest, I don't really know much about meth.  Heroin on the other hand... is now killing more people than car accidents.


    Really (none / 0) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:12:33 PM EST
    The number of labs has very little to do with local availability.  One thing that is true is that when I lived, for example, in NY and Boston, the quality was consistently off the charts which suggests major Breaking Bad style production.  Which I'm sure among other things discourages, to put it mildly, small time  manufacturers.   As far as availability I would venture a guess that it is probably the most available drug in this country.
    For reasons laid out in Breaking Bad.   No exotic plants to import.  Just stuff laying around.

    I agree that Heroin is a far more immediately dangerous drug.   People very rarely die quickly or from one use of meth.   It probably happens but nothing like the risk of Heroin use.


    I think... (none / 0) (#163)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:29:06 PM EST
    another factor might be that major cities have no shortage of cocaine, they are major illegal drug distribution hubs.  Where as rural Alabama or Kansas might not have enough cocaine trickling down to them, or it's too expensive...but there's a meth lab in town.

    Of course, in a major city, you can get any drug you want for a price...if you prefer meth, you'll find it.  In the sticks, it's a question of what you can get your hands on.

    One theory I buy is that meth epidemic started in part because cocaine was hard to get/too expensive, while meth was cheap and manufactured locally...no smuggling from South America required.


    yea I'm sure you can get it (none / 0) (#165)
    by CST on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:33:44 PM EST
    but on a purely anecdotal note - I've seen a lot of drug use and that's just not one of the ones that ever comes up.  Although I just read something that said Molly might as well be meth since what you get is never "real".

    Very true (none / 0) (#170)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:50:16 PM EST
    "Molly" and othe somewhat generic things are usually a mix of whatever is around.   And almost always include amphetamine

    Your theory (none / 0) (#169)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:48:37 PM EST
    Probably has some merit.  But the truth is I don't really like Coke.  I ever really have.  I love meth.  Coke is an expensive low grade short term high.   IMO a frat boy dilettante high.   Depends on what you want.   For example if the goal is to dance for 12 hours or so it's not Coke you want.

    I don't doubt meth became popular to some extent because it was easier to get and cheaper than Coke.  But the fact is they are two very different things and some people prefer one to the other.


    Btw (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:55:53 PM EST
    Another reason meth labs are more rare in the northeast is population.   Meth labs stink to high heaven.   Much easier to get away with in a rural area.

    There are a whole lot of rural (none / 0) (#175)
    by CST on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:59:20 PM EST
    parts of New England.  New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine - all mostly rural states, with very few meth labs.

    Well (none / 0) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 02:10:42 PM EST
    I would say couple of things to that.   First they may be rural but they also have very nice tax bases and probably pretty effective police forces.   Not something common in the rural south.

    And also, if you "know" about a meth lab, it's doesn't really exist.  And I would bet there are quite a few in every one of those states that are not on your map.  


    not really (none / 0) (#182)
    by CST on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 02:34:04 PM EST
    If you look at federal Tax revenue per state, both on the gross and on the per-capita level Maine and Vermont are right at the bottom.  The local tax rates might be a little higher but there's only so much you can squeeze out of the rural poor.  New Hampshire is a little higher federally, but that's probably due to southern NH which is still suburban Boston.  And New Hampshire undercuts itself by having a very low local tax rate.

    I'm sure that there are more unknown meth labs than known ones, but that would apply to every state so I'm not sure how it would change the statistics about which state has more.


    Good point... (none / 0) (#179)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 02:14:34 PM EST
    but it's opiates they want up in the NE...pills or smack.  Not cocaine/speed.  No cheap homemade substitute for opiates.  The smack kings of NY and Boston are making a killing feeding the beast in New Hamphire, Maine, Vermont.

    Though I defer to Captain's experience that coke/crack and meth are very different, I always assumed they were very similar.


    Well (none / 0) (#181)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 02:26:06 PM EST
    I would say crack and meth are more similar than Coke is to either.  If you are not injecting Coke it's a pretty harmless thing.    Ok, maybe "harmless" should be in quotes.  The nose bleeds will usually stop you from any permanent damage.  Usually.

    Crack, which I have done a couple of times, is unbelievably addictive.   You literally start thinking about getting more before your first complete exhale.   Meth is not like that.  At least the way it's generally used in the respectable circles.  Which is snorted.   It can be smoked which might be a more crack like effect.  Most people who do it recreationally, pretty much every gay man I ever knew, are so exhausted after a weekend they don't even like thinking about it for at least a week.

    The meth heads who use it every day till their brains and teeth fall out are a completely different thing.   I actually don't know any of those personally but I know where some live.   Just down the road actually.   And I live in a nice part of town.


    The desert out here (none / 0) (#185)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 03:06:56 PM EST
    has all kinds of meth production.....Walter Whites all over the place.....

    I asgree Heroin is harder to (none / 0) (#186)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 03:11:28 PM EST

    The rehab facilities have so many heroin addicts....more so than any other drug.....


    Meth and Coke products seem to (none / 0) (#96)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 08:01:23 AM EST
    Do so much permanent damage to the brain. I went through it too with a friend and Meth. After over taxing the dopamine production so harshly for so long he was irreparably deeply biochemically depressed when he was clean.  

    Think you made the right decision (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by MO Blue on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 07:38:09 PM EST
    It is sad but there comes a point where "I'll be there to help you when you decide to help yourself." is the only real option.

    Here's hoping this will be a turning point for her.


    It becomes a lot more complicated (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 07:58:47 PM EST
    When it's a family member.   I have a niece who has gone around the bend with prescription drugs.   I've seen lots of drug use in my life.  Known lots of junkies, meth heads, crack heads, you name it.  What has happened and is happening to her is as sad and destructive as anything I have ever seen.

    Her son, who I often do drugs of various kinds with, he is the one who lived with me for a year, recently caught her crushing up her Hydros and snorting them.   She is a person I once loved and respected who has destroyed every friendship and family connection she ever had.  Everyone just seems to be waiting for the inevitable OD.  

    Her parents have tried to get her into some kind of rehab for years but her husband will not allow it.  Conveniently for him he has a job that keeps him away from home for 90% of the time.  So he neither has to deal with her or take care of her.   That falls on her parents and children.   A couple of days ago he and I had a little showdown because of something she was doing that was upsetting my sister very much, who has her own very serious health problems and I decided it was time to draw some lines.  It was not pretty and it's probably not over but if I need to get between her and my sister I will.


    I have Rachel on in the background (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:23:13 PM EST
    She just did a segment on this fairly remarkable Chris Christie video on this subject, prescription drug addiction.

    That video (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 08:43:42 AM EST
    Is getting massive coverage.  Millions of views on HuffPo.  Massive coverage on cable.

    It is pretty amazing.  If you have not seen it, watch it.  It's 6 minutes approx.  

    I think it could go a long way to putting Chrisrie back in it.


    Good stuff from Christie... (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 11:38:49 AM EST
    but it leaves me wondering why he has such a tough on crime hard on for reefer, yet is a bleeding heart when it comes to hard drugs.  

    The 16 year heroin user shouldn't be laying in in a jail cell, but a marijuana user should?  WTF Chris?


    Of course (none / 0) (#148)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 12:12:32 PM EST
    It's all the game.   I just think this kind of thing will get, and in fact is getting, Christie the coverage he wants and needs.

    I would not be surprised if he starts looking better to the establishment as Marco fades.   Which I think he definitely will.

    Truth is, Christie could be a formidable general election candidate.

    Possibly the most formidable they have.  Certainly more formidable than Marco.  



    The primary electorate math (none / 0) (#152)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 12:31:22 PM EST
    Still favors the not-as-crazy:

    There are plenty of reasons to be cautious of national polls that show Trump and Carson leading. They may fail to screen out casual voters, for instance, and leaders at this point in past years have eventually tanked. But perhaps the biggest reason to ditch stock in these polls is that they're simulating a national vote that will never take place.

    In reality, the GOP nominating contest will be decided by an intricate, state-by-state slog for the 2,472 delegates at stake between February and June. And thanks to the Republican National Committee's allocation rules, the votes of "Blue Zone" Republicans -- the more moderate GOP primary voters who live in Democratic-leaning states and congressional districts -- could weigh more than those of more conservative voters who live in deeply red zones. Put another way: The Republican voters who will have little to no sway in the general election could have some of the most sway in the primary.

    True (none / 0) (#91)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 06:32:23 AM EST
    "It is sad but there comes a point where "I'll be there to help you when you decide to help yourself." is the only real option."

    True, no matter what the substance. The physical addictions can be beat, heroin is far worse than crack for withdrawal,
    It is the mental addiction where only when the addict totally surrenders, when they can remove the hold the drug has on them. And unfortunately, too many times the addict will not recognize it until they have lost everything


    This is why substitute (none / 0) (#187)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 03:17:44 PM EST
    drugs are being explored.

    Historically, methadone was seen at one time as a potential "bridge" drug away from heroin.

    Suboxone is in high use for opioid addiction....but it is nasty, has a lot of side effects, and does not allow the addict to address the underlying addiction....Obama, however, is in favor of further use of the replacement drugs....

    When someone comes off of opiates, their sex drive operates on overdrive.....Having been numbed out, they experience a rush of sensations....Perhaps why those in rehab can be very active s*xually.



    I have to agree (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by FlJoe on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 04:45:42 PM EST
    with Charlie here, this is positively chilling

    I have been dimly aware of these "arbitration clauses" for some time, but paid little mind to them. I never quite grasped how widespread they are becoming and how dangerous they are. The oligarchs seem to be constructing an alternative Justice system, now I learn the Theocrats are going for it too. WTF.

    In general, (none / 0) (#31)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 05:23:47 PM EST
    contractual arbitration is not as big-corporation friendly as one might think at first blush.

    True, it depends on which arbitration service is being used, but standard outfits such as AAA and JAMS are not bad--if the facts favor you.

    If the big boys mess up, arbitration means they are staring down the barrel of an adverse judgment within 3 months or so.  They can't use discovery and law and motion to wear down plaintiffs, and delay things for years.....

    But this business of religious tribunals is wild stuff....never heard of that.


    Yes you have (1.00 / 1) (#55)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 07:45:03 PM EST
    But this business of religious tribunals is wild stuff....never heard of that.

    It's called Sharia Law and is well embedded in England...and just recently a poll showed 51% of young US muslims want sharia law.

    Even in Irving, TX, home of America's Team, the mayor had to step in  and shut down a Sharia Court which, of course, angered the Muslims.

    And before you play the hypocrite card, let me state that we should not have any religious court whatsoever from any religion.


    Conservatives (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 07:58:54 PM EST
    ... are on record demanding Sharia Law (the Catholic version) be implemented in the U.S. so they can ban abortion on religious grounds.

    Hobby Lobby imposes Catholic Sharia Law on its employees, and got the SCOTUS to go along.


    And lets not forget the high percentage (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by jondee on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:18:00 PM EST
    of conservatives who have agitated noisily for decades to have Christian-Sharia pseudo-science promoted in public schools..

    If by America's Team (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 11:48:49 AM EST
    (a misnomer, if there ever was one), you mean the Dallas Plowboys. They moved out of Irving quite some time ago. Texas Stadium is razed. They are the Arlington Plowboys now. If you can't get those facts right, I now understand why so many of your other posts are so off base.

    I was a fan (none / 0) (#183)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 02:48:59 PM EST
    when they played in the Cotton Bowl......

    Sharia Law is well embedded in England? (none / 0) (#65)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:14:05 PM EST
    You're a complete waste of bandwidth and Open Thread space.

    Your sources are full of sh*t (none / 0) (#73)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:30:24 PM EST
    Maybe (none / 0) (#52)
    by FlJoe on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 07:32:04 PM EST
    it looks good on paper, but there is much room for abuse
    "Winners and losers are decided by a single arbitrator who is largely at liberty to determine how much evidence a plaintiff can present and how much the defense can withhold. To deliver favorable outcomes to companies, some arbitrators have twisted or outright disregarded the law, interviews and records show.

    "What rules of evidence apply?" one arbitration firm asks in the question and answer section of its website. "The short answer is none"

    Sounds kind of sketchy to me.

    But The Times, examining records from more than 25,000 arbitrations between 2010 and 2014 and interviewing hundreds of lawyers, arbitrators, plaintiffs and judges in 35 states, uncovered many troubling cases.
    Winners and losers are decided by a single arbitrator who is largely at liberty to determine how much evidence a plaintiff can present and how much the defense can withhold. To deliver favorable outcomes to companies, some arbitrators have twisted or outright disregarded the law, interviews and records show.

    Is the Times Cherry picking? It's a long series with lots of anectdotal evidence, many overblown sob stories, but believable.

    The big corps appear to be using it mainly to block class action suits so they can keep the  the nickle and dimes they skim from their customers, probably the other cases are on the up and up but the times seems to infer that it is spreading downward to medium and small company's and outwards to restrict the rights of employees. With the predictable proliferation of opportunities for misdeeds.

    Maybe it's not the  `Privatization of the Justice System' that the Times proclaims but it does appear that the writers of the fine print are gaining much clout, too much clout IMHO


    That is the traditional critique (none / 0) (#58)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 07:57:49 PM EST
    But even in the public system, the case is controlled by a judge...who can dismiss the entire case at many points along the way.....Sure, you can appeal, but the appellate judges are appointed too.

    I have seen various moneyed interests balk at arbitration because they would lose their advantage of trying to bury the other side in paper and at the very least drag out the proceedings.....


    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by FlJoe on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 09:00:57 PM EST
    but in theory at least the Judge is constrained by law and procedure, their decisions become public record and are subject to appeal to more Judges facing the same constraints.

    I really don't see the same constraints on the arbiter. It seems like they have less power to find the truth(can they throw you in jail for contempt or charge you with perjury?) and more power to make a final absolute determination(on a gut feeling for all we know) all very opaquely. No apparent checks and balances.

    I have seen various moneyed interests balk at arbitration because they would lose their advantage of trying to bury the other side in paper and at the very least drag out the proceedings.....
    Then why do many of them choose use them? There seems nothing at all forcing them to add these clauses, yet their use seems to be expanding rather then contracting.



    It depends on the case (none / 0) (#80)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 09:09:55 PM EST
    Arbitration is desired by moneyed interests for personal injury cases, etc.

    A business case by an individual against a larger company is totally different....

    Again, you state the general critique.....But in seeing how this actually works in practice, if you go to JAMS you will get a retired judge, and they do not shed their training all that readily.

    What you miss is that all that procedural protection of appellate review really is not practically available to the poor and middle class.   You can beat them by outlasting them.  So, only those with money can afford to take something up on appeal--because otherwise most just give up....

    The trade off of arbitration is speed.  The big boys cannot appeal either....

    So, you are generally right that most plaintiffs would rather secure their right to jury trial rather than go to arbitration.....But if you are stuck with an arbitration clause, you can make it work to your advantage.....


    Roger Waters.... (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 05:46:57 PM EST
    A much more prevalent protest group of angry Zionists than I expected at the show last Friday.  One old lady was real over the top, screaming "SHAME  ON YOU!!!!" at the top of her shrill lungs to every music lover who crossed the line. Of course I couldn't help myself and sang in retort "Mother do you think they'll break my balls?"...much laughter ensued on the line to get in.

    And boy what an experience...Roger and GE Smith so close I could reach out and touch the necks of their guitars. What a distinct and powerful singing voice he has. Even got some Waters poetry live reading. Definitely a Top 5 show of all time...well worth a little ball busting;)

    I guess I missed something here. (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 06:28:27 PM EST
    Why are angry Zionists picketing Roger Waters -- because he wrote a op-ed that got posted on Salon.com?

    The right-wing's propensity to quickly equate one's right to protest the brutal Israeli occupation of the West Bank with anti-Semitism is what's over the top here. Are they next going to picket an upcoming book signing by Richard North Patterson, who recently called Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "Israel's Richard Nixon"?

    What a bunch of phuquin' crackpots!


    He has been.. (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 06:49:48 PM EST
    very critical of Israeli policy and supports the BDS movement...which by right wing Zionist logic makes you an anti-Semite. Go figure, cuz I can't.  

    Politics aside, I'd still buy a ticket if he was in the KKK...I can appreciate art made by artists who may be deplorable people. Great art is great art.


    The Pros & Cons of Hitchkining... (none / 0) (#149)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 12:13:35 PM EST
    ...is IMO the best album ever made.

    I seriously... (none / 0) (#158)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 12:55:13 PM EST
    need to dive in to that record, you're not the only one who has touted it's praises and I've never given it a proper listen.

    So much awesome music, not enough time!


    Beautiful and very very sad (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 06:42:05 PM EST
    Thank you for posting this, Howdy (none / 0) (#173)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:56:42 PM EST
    It's beautiful, and poignant, and yes, I got a lump in my throat, too.

    Victory in Jefferson Cty, CO (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by christinep on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 10:14:17 AM EST
    In the million $$$$ school board recall (and replacement) election in the second largest school district in Colorado, the infamous very conservative school board that pushed revisionist history programs, etc. were recalled.  All 3 throw-backs were overwhelmingly rejected, walloped ... and the media is correctly referring to the liberal victory that ensued for the complete 5-member school board.

    An important point: Even tho $$$$ poured in from national conservative interest groups in this test case, the district's parents resolutely--by an almost 2 to 1 margin--rejected the conservatives in the political bell-weather county that will be a key component of Colorado 2016 presidential politics.  Likewise, the neighboring upscale Lincoln County rejected the 3 previous right-wing "reformers" in favor of a more traditional school & teacher focused board.

    Many of us here are very happy!

    Kudos to Quentin Tarantino (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 11:57:43 AM EST
    for standing tall and not being cowed by spineless whiny police unions and organizations. LA Times Article.. My favorite quote: "Instead of dealing with the incidents of police brutality that those people were bringing up, instead of examining the problem of police brutality in this country, better they single me out."

    Ben Carson (5.00 / 3) (#203)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2015 at 07:35:03 AM EST
    believes (the biblical) Joseph built the pyramids for grain storage

    This was found in a 1988 speech then he was asked about it on his "book tour".

    Yes I still believe that.  He said.

    Please oh please oh please Jesus
    Let it be THIS guy

    About that GHW Bush bio (5.00 / 2) (#204)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2015 at 07:42:59 AM EST
    That may provide some schadenfreude but it's worth remembering it's written by Jon Meechum (sp?) who is and has always been a Bush family mouthpiece.

    IMO this is about nothing but polishing the terd that is the Bush family name.

    Jeb is talking non stop about Poppy today.


    Bunk, Donald (5.00 / 2) (#205)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 05, 2015 at 07:43:10 AM EST
    Funny thing about your statistics - lots of Republicans didn't go to the polls in Kentucky either, but Bevin managed to win by almost 9 points.  But the RGA left town because they thought Bevin didn't have a chance, then they came back - two weeks prior to the election, they poured millions into the airwaves.  Contrary to your opinion, those ads worked - Bevin successfully tied Conway to Obama's energy policy, gay marriage (remember Kim Davis??), and federal funding for Planned Parenthood. (And Bevin's running mate?  An African American woman, Jenean Hampton - the first ever elected to statewide office. Took the "racist" argument from the Democrats).

    Kentucky purple??  I think not.  There are some conservative Democrats in office, but even that is lessening (and the Secretary of State and Attorney General won by the skin of their teeth). No one who is serious would call it a purple state.  KY will likely go for the Republican presidential nominee in 2016 and their state House (the last one in the region to have majority Democrats) will flip in a matter of a few years (maybe even next year). This is a shift that's been coming for decades.

    And no, he wasn't a great candidate. Democrats weren't enthused by him all along.

    If genius, as former Louisvillian Thomas Alva Edison once said, is 1 percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration, then Attorney General Jack Conway is the smartest man in Kentucky.

    His campaign so far has left Democrats flummoxed over his inability to excite his base and inspire an uprising that would put away a Republican opponent they feel is the least qualified GOP nominee since Peppy Martin in 1999.

    They didn't feel any better after Tuesday's Bluegrass Poll Gubernatorial Debate when all people wanted to talk about was Conway's sweat-filled performance where he glistened in the television lights. He seemed unsure of himself at times and his attempts at humor fell flat.

    On style points, which are often the most important things in political debates, he lost to Republican Matt Bevin - who lost to independent candidate Drew Curtis. Curtis' humor and plainspoken answers made him seem more genuine than his two, supposedly more polished foes.

    It wasn't a great night for the two leading candidates, but Conway clearly had the worst.


    Carson violent childhood stories untrue (5.00 / 1) (#206)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Nov 05, 2015 at 11:34:19 AM EST
    - according to CNN Journos.

    On the campaign trail, the former neurosurgeon has recounted being an angry juvenile in his native Detroit -- stabbing, throwing rocks at people, hurling bricks and beating others with baseball bats.

    But through interviews with nine former classmates and friends, CNN was unable to verify any incidents supporting those claims.

    What about the GOP draws Liars like moths to a flame?

    The TPP Revealed: (5.00 / 1) (#209)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Nov 05, 2015 at 12:53:43 PM EST
    this copy is from New Zealand.

    The TPP downloadable as a zip file is at the bottom of that page.

    Sorry kdog (none / 0) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 12:36:37 PM EST
    I was only able to bring a single night of '69 Mets good luck with me this weekend.

    Dems the breaks... (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 03:48:01 PM EST
    Hope your friend had better luck in the marathon, and you enjoyed your visit my friend.

    She ran a good race (none / 0) (#25)
    by CoralGables on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 04:45:46 PM EST
    and I learned the R, the G, the F, and the 6 train. Next time I may attempt to run it, but the rolling hills are surely not a South Floridian's best friend.

    And the 7 (none / 0) (#26)
    by CoralGables on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 04:48:53 PM EST
    Maybe not the F. I don't remember now. No idea how you folks do it everyday.

    Easy... (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 05:27:19 PM EST
    I don't...I need to reacclimate myself and check the map like a tourist when I use the subway, which is rare these days.  Between obscene LIRR rates and 2.75 for the subway it's cheaper to drive, as long as you have the dogged determination to scour for free parking and use the 59th Street Bridge. Going green is great, but it can be expensive.

    No more missing the 2:30 AM train back to the burbs and having to sleep in Penn waiting for the 4:30 for me..no siree. There are limits to my brand of Forever Young. Switching to water after intermission and driving gets me to bed at a semi-decent hour;)


    The Queensboro bridge is also a beeatch. (none / 0) (#190)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 03:39:31 PM EST
    First of all, except for a couple hundred yards at the end, it's all uphill, has no gradient breaks, and is seemingly unending. And, when I did the race about 15 years ago, when I crossed the bridge and hit Manhattan, the leaders were all crossing the finish line. They were chillin' with their peeps and a drink and a snack, while I still had over 10 mostly uphill miles to go...

    Pistorius Trials Continue... (none / 0) (#6)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 01:47:56 PM EST
    BLOEMFONTEIN, South Africa -- South Africa's Supreme Court of Appeal grilled Oscar Pistorius' attorney and a prosecutor on Tuesday as it weighed whether to convict him of murder for killing his girlfriend, uphold a lower court's manslaughter conviction or order a retrial.

    One of the five appeals court judges noted during the session on Tuesday, broadcast across the country and around the world on live TV, that Pistorius could still be convicted of murder even if he didn't think it was Steenkamp in the cubicle but knew someone was in there. Under the concept of dolus eventualis in South African law, a person can be convicted of murder if they foresaw the possibility of someone dying through their actions and went ahead anyway.

    "If you look at the photographs, there's room behind there for a toilet bowl and a person and just about nothing else," Justice Lorimer Leach said to defense lawyer Barry Roux. "There's nowhere to hide. It would be a miracle if you didn't shoot someone."


    The toughest and longest questioning was directed at Roux who, according to local news website News24, said "I'm going to lose" in Afrikaans after the proceedings were finished, with his microphone still on.

    I watched it last night, Hawaii time, ... (none / 0) (#23)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 04:25:01 PM EST
    ... because South Africa is 12 hours ahead of us. To be fair, the justices were in my opinion equally tough on prosecutor Gerrie Nel, who at times looked completely befuddled by what the questions they were asking.

    At least defense counsel Barry Roux hung in there and didn't back down. He argued that Nel was taking issue with Trial Judge Thokozile Masipa's findings of fact that the evidence did not support the contention that Oscar Pistorious acting with malicious intent to kill Reeva Steenkamp, rather than arguing a specific point of law. Under

    He further argued that while Nel was intitially focused on trying the defendant for the deceased murder, he's now widened the net ex post facto to the trial, and that under South African law, the Supreme Court of Appeal can only concern itself with matters of the law itself.


    FARGO (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 03:37:54 PM EST
    So good

     If Peggy were the only female criminal of Fargo's second season, one would have to raise some tough questions about how the show's producers were portraying women. But that's not the case: we have Floyd. And Floyd is amazing.

    Ya don't say? Ya, dere's dat. . . . (none / 0) (#28)
    by Towanda on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 04:55:15 PM EST
    and so much more; this season is so good.  In addition to the terrifying Floyd, Jean Smart as his Minnesota-mob mother is amazing, too.

    And who would have betcha dere dat Ted Danson could do Minnesotan so well?


    I'll have (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 05:32:25 PM EST
    A chocolate gleaze....

    I like that Smart's Mob Mommy ... (none / 0) (#34)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 05:31:15 PM EST
    ... insists to everyone that she's only acting in that capacity until her stroke-disabled husband gets better, while he just sits there during the discussions, mute and unable to communicate.

    It has hilarious moments (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 05:34:19 PM EST
    But also incredible moments.

    The long overhead shot of her lying with her vegetative husband was beautiful and heartbreaking and powerful.


    And the doctors office she with him sitting on (none / 0) (#88)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 06:21:03 AM EST
    the table....that is the saddest butt crack ever filmed. That actor has some mad skills.

    She=scene (none / 0) (#89)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 06:21:45 AM EST
    Yes, the withered butt crack! (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 07:55:01 AM EST
    And do you remember the music in that scene.  

    Angelic choral music.   As if we were looking at a fabulous sunset or the Grand Canyon.   It was laugh out loud.


    Oh yes, I am loving it (none / 0) (#87)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 06:16:48 AM EST
    Even if Peggy were the only female. I would have no problem with her depiction. She does not have to represent all females. Dunst is nailing it IMO. Not to take anything away from Smart...but until she speaks I sometimes I have to remind myself she is not Grace Zabriskie in Big Love.

    I really wish they had not killed Ann Cusack in episode 1. I would love a show about her judge character - maybe Season 3?


    Dunst (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 07:58:12 AM EST
    Is always perfect.   Her husband is also great.  Remember him as the creepy connection to the white supremacists in Breaking Bad?

    Everyone really.  The show is all about casting.


    Keystone (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 04:18:05 PM EST
    Just heard on teevee that even tho they have asked for the thing to be suspended it could still be rejected outright.   Instead of suspending it.

    Caught a small blurb that (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by caseyOR on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 06:33:16 PM EST
    Obama has said he will decide on Keystone before the end of his term. There will be no suspending of the application. He will not shove this decision off on the next president.

    Ben Carson (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 04:24:56 PM EST
    I still don't think this guy will get near the nomination.   But I am starting to hope he does.

    For a while I've been thinking that Trump would be great because he is the loonies choice and he would lose in a spectacular fashion.   And teach them a valuable lesson about national politics.

    Carson is even more the right wing loonie choice and he would lose in an even more spectacular fashion.   And they could never again say "if the nominee had only been a REAL conservative"
    Something they might say if Donald lost.

    Carson is IMO our dream candidate.  But I still think it's ridiculous.   And I still think Donald is way more likely.

    Brain Surgeons (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by FlJoe on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:39:49 AM EST
    say the darndest things:
    When asked about the fact that he[Carson] is completely without political or government experience he says:

    "The ark was built by amateurs."
    This met with wild cheers and applause.

    (h/t Digby)

     I wonder if he used that line with his patients? To wild cheers and applause?


    Neurosurgeons (none / 0) (#120)
    by christinep on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 10:00:01 AM EST
    reside at the top of the doctor pecking order.  Because so much is life & death in real-time, there is a tendency, reportedly, to treat these exceptional surgeons as a deity.  In the spirit of "the emperor's new clothes," I'm guessing that Dr. Carson may believe all the reverence which, if transferred to the political field, could be quite confusing for him (and quite unpleasant for us.)

    It's also his greatest (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 10:06:25 AM EST
    Vulnerability.   He is surrounded by sycophants who never challenge his lunacy.   That is going to change.  This guys dirty laundry i.e., snake oil pitchman, is going to stink up the place.

    It shows one thing (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 10:02:38 AM EST
    He knows his audience.   And honestly it's far from the nuttiest thing he has ever said.

    Between Carson and Trump (none / 0) (#29)
    by KeysDan on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 05:14:28 PM EST
    over 50 percent of the Republican primary voters are covered.  Although, I am not sure just how additive the two polling results are; each is his own curiosity and each has its own followers, with cross-over if they must. Trump seems as though he is playing with a full deck, albeit a tricked out one.  

     Carson, not so much.  Seems to me that Carson really is in it for the grifting capabilities--nostrum pitchman, book sales, campaign funds with a big overhead.   The fact that his campaign manager is called a business manager is a tip off. Of course, what may have started as a business venture, is now a smitten road to the White House. He will take the presidency if handed to him.

    Trump will make a better candidate and a harder one for Democrats--Trump being uninhibited by facts, policies and decorum.  None of which his supporters appreciate or expect.  Knowing Carson more is not loving him more. Policies and plans don't matter, the End Times and all. He just needs to drop a good name every other sentence (i.e, God).  I think his plateau will hover around 30 percent.  


    Yes, to all of that (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 05:44:23 PM EST
    They say something like 80% of Carsons supporters say they might vote for someone else.   Much lower for Donald.  His support seems a lot more solid.  
    I think Carson is as surprised as anyone that he is leading.

    It's funny.  With all the yammering about how Donald is only some kind of protest placeholder for people responding to polls,  I never thought that was true about Donald but I think it's completely true with Carson.

    I'm willing to bet most of people supporting him in polls would never actually vote for him to be oresident.

    Not so Donald.


    From our "Bananas Cubanas" file: (none / 0) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 04:50:30 PM EST
    Jonah Goldberg, the white guy who only a few days ago was suggesting that Barack Obama is not an authentic African-American, now seems to think that the GOP's ideal ticket would be Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and he further supports his contention with references to Tolstoy's "War and Peace" and the German concept of Fingerspitzengefühl. Personally, I believe Goldberg's serving his loyal readers yet another hefty and succulent slice of Scheißetorte.

    Agreed. but, (none / 0) (#41)
    by KeysDan on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 06:18:32 PM EST
    I like a Rubio/Cruz ticket better.  If by some horror, this ticket prevails, Rubio had better get a taster for his Poland Spring.  And, Cruz had better like the idea of being a special envoy to Siberia.

    ... an early season Pacific storm generated by El Niño blanketed Mammoth Springs with 30 inches of snow, which will allow that ski resort to open early on Thursday. Lake Tahoe also received its first snowfall of the season.

    Your liberal media at work (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 06:04:42 PM EST

    Some may find it odd that oil magnates and Republican kingmakers Charles and David Koch chose the so-called left-leaning MSNBC as the venue for a rare sitdown interview on Tuesday. But what MSNBC isn't promoting is that the hosts in charge of the interview are self-professed and unabashed Koch fans.

    Unmentioned in the release is the fact that both Brzezinski and Scarborough earlier this year attended a weekend in Palm Springs for the "American Recovery Policy Forum," put on by the Koch's organization, the tax-exempt Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce.

    In an amazing development, ... (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 06:49:37 PM EST
    ... Presidents Ma Ying-jeou of Taiwan and Xi Jinping of China will hold a summit meeting in Singapore this Saturday, the very first time that the leaders of these two countries have ever agreed to meet face to face since the Nationalist Kuomintang first set up shop on the then-island of Formosa in 1949, after being booted from the Chinese mainland by the Communists at the conclusion of the Chinese Civil War.

    Relations between the two avowed enemies have been warming since 2008 when President Ma first assumed office in Taipei, and in 2009 they signed a trade pact. Beijing has, however, recently expressed concern over the possibility that the Kuomintang could be ousted from power in next month's elections, amid widespread Taiwanese distrust of Chinese intentions. President Ma is stepping down early next year due to term limits.

    Let's hope that regional tensions can be further drawn down in east Asia as a result of this meeting.


    ... is to be held in January, not net month. President Ma's term ends next May.

    Trump and Carson (none / 0) (#50)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 07:07:10 PM EST
    show that Republicans are primarily conservative because of cultural issues:

    Witness this tidbit from a regular writer on Hugh Hewitt's blog:

    Basically the nation is less religious because religion is not reaching the next generation.  No doubt in the days to come there will be endless opinions recorded as to why.  Factors blamed will include the rise of new media, the increasingly secular nature of the educational system, the necessity for both parents to work, single parent families, and so it goes.

    See, conservatives have never come to grips with women in the workplace and equal rights for women.  

    The changing role of women has been perhaps the most fundamental change in our society since the 1950s that the Republicans revere.....Conservatives are unhappy with our current culture that among other things has women taking more and more prominent roles in society.

    I think they're happy to blame (4.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:38:02 PM EST
    the declining numbers on the rise in the number of women working and single parents, because that fits their world view, the one where everything is the fault of liberals, but have they given any thought to what we've seen religion do over the last 15 years?  The wars, the repression, the oppression, the hate?

    The rise of religious extremism has to be a turn-off for a lot of people.  And I'm not just talking about the evil Muslim hordes - I'm also talking about the rise of Christian extremism.

    I think people have not stopped wanting to be good people, but more of them have apparently decided that they don't need religion to dictate how they are going to live their lives.


    But they'll never blame an economy (none / 0) (#53)
    by jondee on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 07:37:03 PM EST
    and a free market ideology that values and promotes narrow self interest and materialism over friendship and community.

    So you're against stay at home dad's?? (none / 0) (#56)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 07:50:46 PM EST
    the necessity for both parents to work, single parent families, and so it goes.

    I mean from that, how do you get this?

    See, conservatives have never come to grips with women in the workplace and equal rights for women.

    Good grief (none / 0) (#62)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:05:13 PM EST
    The idea is what has changed in our society that has caused the children to lose their religion.....

    We have not changed from a society of stay at home dads to a society where they work.....

    Your formulation is ridiculous......


    Please don't feed the troll. (none / 0) (#64)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:11:33 PM EST
    Of course his formulation is ridiculous. Why should today be any different?

    "Please don't feed the troll" (5.00 / 2) (#153)
    by shoephone on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 12:32:53 PM EST
    If only it mattered whether we do, Donald. Though the reasons are mysterious, the troll has been given eternal immunity from the blog owner. What a lot of bandwidth gets wasted every thread, every single day because of it.

    Partially agree with you: (5.00 / 2) (#188)
    by sj on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 03:23:59 PM EST
    The trolling will continue no matter what, because that's what he does. But the less one feeds it, the less damage it can do.

    The downside to that, of course, is that Teh Stupid goes unanswered and reflects badly on the rest of us.

    Frankly, I can live with that. I think most visitors can tell the difference.


    Re: Ahmed Chalabi (none / 0) (#61)
    by lentinel on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:00:46 PM EST
    In 1998, he helped persuade Congress to pass the Iraq Liberation Act, which was signed by President Bill Clinton and declared it the policy of the United States to replace Mr. Hussein's government with a democratic one.

    The fever to invade Iraq started even before GWBush - under the Clinton administration.

    (Thanks to Oculus for providing the quote above.)

    Two party system operating as a one party system.
    Democracy thwarted.
    And here we are.

    That is one huge leap (none / 0) (#71)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:27:12 PM EST
    It is one thing to make a statement of preference; quite another to invade with ground troops.   There are a lot of steps in between.

    Not (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by lentinel on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 10:16:40 PM EST
    that much of a "leap".

    More an evolution - almost an inevitability.

    But really - once it has been "declared it the policy of the United States to replace Mr. Hussein's government", it seems as if it is only a matter of time before that goal is attempted to be accomplished by force.

    And 9/11 gave the government the cover it needed to proceed.

    It also occurs to me that this declaration of intent, signed by Bill Clinton, might explain the mindset of HRC's uncritical endorsement of the resolution giving Bush the authority to invade Iraq.

    It makes me feel as if we really have no idea who is running the show - and what they are really up to.

    And we're supposed to endorse them by voting for one of them.


    Tell that to Kentucky Dems. (none / 0) (#63)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:09:31 PM EST
    Jeralyn: "It's Election Day. Don't forget to vote."

    Because once again, Democratic voters stayed home with their thumbs up their butts and didn't vote, perhaps assuming that because gubernatorial candidate Jack Conway was ahead in the voter surveys, he was going to win anyway. But all those crazy Republican voters marched resolutely to the polls, so guess what happened? Conway's a loser and instead, the totally crackpottic wingbat Matt Blevin will now succeed the eminently sane Gov. Steve Beshear in Frankfort.

    When you vote for stupid, or vote for stupid by default by not bothering to show up, you can expect stupid in return. So, congratulations, Kentuckians. You're all likely to get exactly what you deserve. Can you say, "Bye-bye, Obamacare"?


    Yes, Democratic voters need to vote (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 08:34:33 AM EST
    But IIRC having a good GOTV strategy and implementing it well is part of winning elections. Doesn't sound like Conway's campaign did a very good job in GOTV and the Republicans did.

    GOTV programs are supposed to be the ... (5.00 / 3) (#104)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 08:48:21 AM EST
    ... responsibility of the state party organizations, not the individual candidates. And for that sad state of affairs, we can thank the DC-centric DNC, which has been directing funding to congressional incumbents and leaving state parties to fend for themselves, while Republicans have been pouring tens of millions of dollars into their own state organizations. DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is so friggin' incompetent, she couldn't find her own a$$ with both hands, a full-length mirror and illustrated instructions.

    The DNC (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:23:40 AM EST
    should bring back Howard Dean.  
    Of course, they won't.

    Oh Bunk (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by CoralGables on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:26:44 AM EST
    You had it right the first time.

    In non-presidential election years Dems don't vote. It's the fault of those that sit on their asses and the people of Kentucky get what they deserve.


    Then maybe the Drms should just (5.00 / 2) (#119)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:55:32 AM EST
    throw in the towel. Heaven forbid the Democratic Party develop strategies that might change this dynamic.

    The Republicans have found ways (throwing big bucks into effort) to get their voters to the polls in off years but this is somehow beyond the capability of the Democratic Party.


    Or maybe (none / 0) (#123)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 10:02:41 AM EST
    They should get better candidates.

    Is that (5.00 / 2) (#126)
    by CST on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 10:13:48 AM EST
    what republicans are doing?

    Since Jack Conway (none / 0) (#129)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 10:37:44 AM EST
    Appears to be the Martha Coakley of Kentucky, it didn't matter if the Republican was a better candidate or not.

    I get that (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by CST on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 10:48:02 AM EST
    but this isn't just a Kentucky problem.

    Kentucky is a red state (none / 0) (#191)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 04:02:35 PM EST
    That is the fundamental problem....

    Progressives keep chasing unicorns in Kentucky.

    The effort could be better spent in Ohio, or North Carolina if you are looking at changing red to blue....I would bet Georgia is a better bet than Kentucky....



    People vote when they want to vote (none / 0) (#125)
    by CoralGables on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 10:09:00 AM EST
    If they choose to sit it out they get the government that others choose for them.

    I find it funny that people would rather blame state organizations or national organizations when  voters find it too cumbersome to vote on election day.


    Spoken like an armchair QB who ... (5.00 / 2) (#151)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 12:20:19 PM EST
    ... has never worked on a single political campaign in his life -- or if he has, sure didn't learn very much if anything from the experience.

    IMHO, (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 02:21:33 PM EST
    whether or not people vote, they are going to get the government that others choose for them.

    Who chose to have the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq still raging after all these years?

    Who is choosing to send troops to Syria?

    Not the voters.



    Huh? (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 12:15:47 PM EST
    What do you mean, "Oh, bunk"? The two points I made, about (1) Democrats not showing up at the polls and (2) GOTV efforts being the primary responsibility of the state party organizations, are hardly mutually exclusive.

    I have a bit before having to (none / 0) (#114)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:39:13 AM EST
    Move to the Kansas City area. The state of Kansas continues to appear like it is suiciding. I hope the worst is over, and teahadist insanity realized before we move.

    Are you gonna be (none / 0) (#116)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:41:38 AM EST
    moving to KC?

    Never know for certain with the Army (5.00 / 2) (#118)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:52:47 AM EST
    Two years out, but it is looking that way. It could happen that I stay here while Josh finishes high school too while the Mr is there. But right now his graduation almost matches up perfectly with the anticipated moving.

    I thought this would throw a wrench in his college plans. When he was younger he had his heart set on Auburn. No more though. He says he doesn't want to go to college in the South.

    Perhaps he will consider Kansas State, but since CST revealed that many of the Ivy League colleges provide great services to disabled attending, he seems to be considering that direction more deeply. Funny I use the word "direction". He said yesterday he just wants to go North. He's tired of these radicals.

    He was really ticked yesterday.


    Wow (none / 0) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:22:00 PM EST
    Matt Blevin, a far right nut. Of course, now this is just going to encourage the far right in the GOP primary even more.

    I guess this will be a perfect example of how people react once their healthcare is taken away.


    This is just insane. (none / 0) (#102)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 08:36:47 AM EST
    Voter turnout out in Kentucky yesterday was 31%!! Out of over 3.2 million registered voters, only 992,000 bothered to cast a ballot. Why would anyone simply blow off a gubernatorial election, particularly now when the stakes are so high?

    That's why Conway lost. While the wingbats once again went to the polls en masse, as they always do, most everyone else decided to stay home. I don't want to hear any Democrats complain about what Matt Blevin will do to Kentucky. We have nobody to blame but ourselves for the fact that he's now governor-elect.

    Boo. Hiss.


    Conway lost (none / 0) (#105)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 08:48:34 AM EST
    Because 1) Bevin tied Conway to Obama and they HATE Obama there.  (Remember in 2012 that "uncommitted" took over 40% of the vote in the Democratic primary - and he was unchallenged!) And 2) Conway is a terrible candidate.  He has lost a House race, a Senate race, and the governor's race - all over the last 13 years.  Kentuckians just don't want him.

    Whatever (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:08:24 AM EST
    is the GOP going to do when they don't have Obama to run against? They have been using that as their fall back for quite a while now. It also means they are not developing any sort of governing strategy outside of Hee Haw southern friend fundamentalism

    That's nonsense, jb. (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:43:03 PM EST
    Jack Conway is currently Kentucky's attorney general, which is an elective statewide office. The notion that his effort was doomed because he's somehow the political reincarnation of Massachusetts' Martha Coakley is just so much Beltway armchair-derived poppycock. That sort of analysis is the result of looking at the rest of the country from the inside of a goldfish bowl.

    Conway didn't win last night because Kentucky Democrats didn't go to the polls. All that GOP crap about tying Conway to Obama was directed toward Kentucky's Republican / GOP-leaning voters as an added incentive to cast their ballots; its overall effect on local Dems was likely negligible.

    Now, Conway's campaign may or may not have good, and judging by the results it certainly proved to be ineffectual. But the primary role of the state party during an election is to turn out their voters to support the party's entire slate of candidates standing for office.

    And given the abysmal 30.7% overall voter turnout in what's otherwise a purple state, it's fairly safe to surmise that on the Kentucky Democrats' side at least, that quite obviously didn't happen. And that's because, unlike their GOP counterparts, state Democrats did little or nothing to spur Democratic-leaning voters to the ballot boxes.



    Fortunately (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:25:59 PM EST
    The support of the governor is not required for access to Obamacare.   Only Medicaid expansion.  Possibly.   It will be interesting to see what happens if he tries to take that away.

    What happened (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:30:22 PM EST
    in your state? Did your GOP governor try to take the expansion away?

    Yes (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:36:48 PM EST
    He tried and succeeded.  Will that get people to vote?  We will find out.

    You know (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 08:43:24 PM EST
    I said that because I assumed it was true.  I don't personally know anyone getting the benefits.  And I have been hearing "alert" messages lately when I deal with insurance so I just assumed.


    I just did a quick google and it seems to still be available.  It was always a hybrid program that used funds to let people buy private insurance not actual Medicaid.  More research is necessary.   The messages say things are changing, please call this number.   I suspect it is ending.   Perhaps at year end.


    All Blevins has to do is ... (none / 0) (#83)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 11:40:50 PM EST
    ... rescind Gov. Beshear's executive order mandating Medicaid expansion. He's already pledged to do so.

    The Bastard Executioner (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 10:34:13 PM EST
    The full outlines of the story started showing this week.   One episode away from the season finale.   It's a pretty big and a pretty ambitious story.

    I would love to summarize but that would be a huge spoiler for anyone who wanted to see it.

    Very interesting.  An very different slant on "the greatest story ever told"

    Houston voters reject LGBT rights ordinance. (none / 0) (#84)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 03, 2015 at 11:51:19 PM EST
    Big wins (none / 0) (#93)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 07:22:43 AM EST
    For conservatives and conservative policy all over the place.  The Houston Equal Rights Ordinance is repealed, Ohio's marijuana legalization goes down big, Tea Party darling Matt Bevin gets elected governor in KY -only the 2nd Republican in 44 years to win there, Virginia retains a Republican state senate, and the San Francisco sheriff who defended that city's "sanctuary city" status (and had a litany of ither scandals in his wake) lost to the chief deputy who replaced him on an interim basis.

    While too much can't be read into off-off year election results, it was not a good night for those on the left.

    And, in the latest NBC/WSJ poll, Clinton and Carson are tied at 47% in a head-to-head matchup. (Carson beats Clinton withi dependent voters by 13%)


    Carson (none / 0) (#98)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 08:25:41 AM EST
    is a buffoon though and even conservatives are working to take him down about his lies. One look on national TV with his crazed talking points outside of the GOP bubble should take him down.

    Couple of things about that poll (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 08:32:29 AM EST
    It show how completely pointless polls are at this point and also it illustrates what I have been saying for years.   "Independents" are republicans who are ashamed to say do.

    Actual independent middle of the road voters are not going to go fir Carson in double digits over Hillary.

    It's complete bullsh!t


    Sure, but so is every other poll (none / 0) (#121)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 10:01:55 AM EST
    As I've maintained for years here.

    You can't byrust polls this far out - even ones you like.


    I think it's the wisdom (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 08:28:55 AM EST
    Of those who chose to bring this stuff up in an off year election.   The way off year elections have been going the last few years that was a pretty dumb thing to do.



    not gonna lie (none / 0) (#106)
    by CST on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:03:54 AM EST
    It makes me very nervous.

    Me (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:10:48 AM EST
    Not so much.  Turnout in KY was pathetic.  We know democrats don't vote in off years elections.   As much as we might like them to.  

    Not saying it's a good thing.  Just a known thing.


    yea... (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by CST on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:46:37 AM EST
    Sometimes I look at the rest of the country and wonder if it's time for another revolution.  But I also recognize that we're not the ones that need it, and at the end of the day, the fact that you can more or less choose which state to live in is a wonderful thing.

    On the upside, everyone I voted for on the city council won.  Although turnout there was abysmal as well since only the city council was on the ballot.  But we doubled the number of women from 2 to 4 (out of 13), and the two longest sitting councilmen are out.  Not going to lie, with a few exceptions I tend to vote against every Irish guy on the ballot.  They've been running the city long enough.


    That would be the Texas Supreme Court. (none / 0) (#107)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:04:33 AM EST
    When the Houston City Council approved the ordinance and the mayor signed it into law, right-wing religious nutjobs sued to overturn it. The state justices basically ordered Houston to either rescind the oridinance, or place it on the ballot in a referendum and seek voter approval.

    Talking about (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:08:44 AM EST
    The pot thing really.  

    I think the language (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by CST on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 11:19:35 AM EST
    of the bill was also highly problematic.  A lot of pro-legalization people were against this particular bill because of the quasi-monopoly clause.

    That being said a 2-1 margin is fairly loud.


    for example (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by CST on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 11:21:47 AM EST
    the anti-monopoly question that was created because of the wording of this question - passed.

    That too (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 11:25:10 AM EST
    It was a very odd thing with the monopoly stuff.

    They are already getting ready to do it again n 2016.   Along with several other (5?) states.  That's so far.  There could be even more.


    It should (none / 0) (#140)
    by CST on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 11:40:16 AM EST
    get on the ballot here, but the rampant nimbyism means that even if it passes it will probably be a while before we have it in reality.  We legalized it for medical use in 2008 and it wasn't until this year that any dispensaries opened, and I think there are still only 2 in the state.

    MA is weird, I think people are generally in favor of it, but at the same time we still have the old puritanism/blue law culture where you do your dirt at home and don't talk about it or tell anyone.  I think that will make it harder to open shops, but it will almost certainly happen eventually.  We can even buy alcohol on Sundays now!


    That said (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:15:26 AM EST
    Was there nothing they could have done to delay seeking voter approval for one year till the presidential election?

    No idea.   But it's a valid question.


    Maybe (none / 0) (#154)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 12:38:32 PM EST
    They didn't want to.

    Maybe because the pot bill would have produced an oligopoly (not a monopoly), some thought it would be better to go down in defeat.


    ... having qualified for the ballot, any decision regarding when to schedule a public vote for ratification / approval is the sole responsibility of (a) the city or county clerk, if it's a local initiative or referendum, or (b) the Secretary of State (or whatever office is responsible for administering state elections), if the matter is of statewide concern.

    The general protocol is that once an initiative / referendum has been qualified for the ballot, it should then be placed before the voters on the next regularly scheduled primary or general election day.

    However, that rule is not necessarily ironclad, because unless such a protocol is specified by local ordinance or state law, senior local and state election officials are usually granted considerable leeway and discretion in that regard. I've seen special elections scheduled for such ballot measures, when the public interest and concern is sufficient or so urgent as to warrant the calling of the question at the earliest possible convenience.



    Marijuana legalization... (none / 0) (#137)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 11:31:27 AM EST
    did not "go down big" in Ohio, marijuana legalization that establishes a legal monopoly for rich arsehole venture capitalists went down big in Ohio.  The grassroots of the legalization movement did not support the proposal, and for seemingly good reason.

    Keego Harbor, a small town in Michigan, (none / 0) (#166)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:38:23 PM EST
    close to Bob Seger's home, legalized owning, smoking, and most important, transferring, small amounts of pot yesterday.

    Apparently, "transferring" small quantities means giving someone a small quantity. I haven't paid much attention to the various referendums - but I had noticed that there was a fundamental problem in the way referendums had been crafted. Possession was legalized, but not the act of getting something to possess. Ergo, this attempt to legalize "transferring."

    Although a vital link in the chain, "selling" remains illegal. So what does one do? One arranges an interparty seed "transfer" and grows one's own. Or one arranges an interparty baggie "transfer" from someone who has.


    Small point (none / 0) (#176)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 02:00:37 PM EST
    The Keego Harbor initiative says you can transfer in a "privayte, non public space".  So that means a place like a home - not Starbucks, not on the sidewalk, etc.

    Sounds a lot like DC's law.


    A 9% reduction in workforce is being implemented at NG Partners, as Rupert Murdoch's 21st Century Fox acquires the parent company of the National Geographic Society and National Geographic Channels, effective Nov. 16.

    OMG, Trump is destroying Rubio (none / 0) (#128)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 10:15:01 AM EST
    In Conservative minds this morning.

    "Rubio has a disaster on his credit cards...snip....Take a look at what he has done with the Republican Party when he had access, what he had to put back in, and whether or not something should have happened. You'll understand it..snip...He has a basic disaster on finance. Let's see what you find, let's see what kind of reporter you are. It won't be hard. It won't be hard."

    Does Trump have problems with all those bankruptcies? Using credit cards unwisely brings on such a knee jerk response with people. Very clever.

    Rubio (none / 0) (#131)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 10:54:14 AM EST
    is a rich target and Trump is taking advantage of that. The GOP base doesn't like him much it seems and Trump is just giving them more reasons.

    Good (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by CST on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 10:55:15 AM EST
    On the surface Rubio seems like the kind of candidate that could have legs.  But the deeper you look the uglier it gets.  Glad to have his own "team" take him out.

    The (none / 0) (#133)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 11:03:17 AM EST
    guy mishandled or embezzled funds from his own party. That alone would undercut any budget argument the GOP might try to make. Then he starts talking about how he hates working in the senate. Does the fool think being President is going to be easier? On top of that he thinks women should be birthing slaves. Yeah, Rubio is really ugly beneath the surface and then you have a party that does not want minorities in leadership positions and I just don't see how he makes it to the end.

    ... for those personal items / services that he had purchased with the party's credit card, so that constitutes a personal mishandling of that particular line of credit, and was not an embezzlement of party funds.

    eventually... i.e., after he was caught. (none / 0) (#164)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:33:39 PM EST
    The kind of bull$hit rationalization he used to justify his credit card abuse - as he did it - is the same sort he'll use in the future to justify future fecklessness.  Politicians don't change.  They just get caught.  

    People who can't handle their own money can't be trusted to handle other people's money.


    Yes, that's correct. (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 01:54:28 PM EST
    But from a legal standpoint, because Rubio has since reimbursed the Florida GOP for those unauthorized purchases and party officials now consider this matter closed, he cannot be accused of embezzlement, which is a crime. But that said, this particular incident is certainly reflective of his own personal judgment, which can be legitimately called into question.

    What was once a terribly sad story ... (none / 0) (#192)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 05:08:01 PM EST
    ... has now turned very ugly. The death of Fox Lake, IL police lieutenant Joe Gliniewicz two month ago sparked a regional manhunt throughout northern Illinois, which was initially based on the late officer's own radio report that he was in active pursuit of three suspects just prior to being shot and killed. Today, authorities ruled that his death had in fact been a "carefully planned suicide" staged by Lt. Gliniewicz in apparent response to a Fox Lake official's dogged inquiry regarding his alleged embezzlement of public funds.

    New American Crime Story trailer (none / 0) (#196)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 06:02:34 PM EST
    Mexico's Supreme Court Opens Door (none / 0) (#200)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 07:16:32 PM EST
    to Legalizing Marijuana Use.

    The Mexican Supreme Court opened the door to legalizing marijuana on Wednesday, delivering a pointed challenge to the nation's strict substance abuse laws and adding its weight to the growing debate in Latin America over the costs and consequences of the war against drugs.
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    The vote by the court's criminal chamber declared that individuals should have the right to grow and distribute marijuana for their personal use. The ruling is a first step -- applying only to a single cannabis club that brought the suit -- and does not strike down Mexico's current drug laws. But it lays the groundwork for a wave of legal actions that could ultimately legalize marijuana.

    Mexico's Marijuana Ruling Shakes up Drug Policy (none / 0) (#201)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Nov 04, 2015 at 09:05:08 PM EST
    - Time.

    The pungent smell of marijuana smoke drifted through the air outside Mexico's Supreme Court as legalization activists puffed and waited for judges to make their ruling. When it came, it sparked up cheers and more joints. Four out of five Supreme Court justices had voted in favor of a lawsuit by plaintiffs who argued that it was unconstitutional to stop them growing, possessing or consuming cannabis. The ruling only applies to the plaintiffs - four activists from a cannabis club called the Mexican Society for Responsible and Tolerant Personal Use, or SMART. But it sets a powerful precedent that could shake up drug laws in Mexico and across the region.

    BushPoppa Blames BushLite's Aides, (none / 0) (#202)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Nov 05, 2015 at 01:12:54 AM EST
    Cheney and Rumsfeld, for everything in new auto-hagiography.

    WASHINGTON -- After years of holding back, former President George Bush has finally broken his public silence about some of the key figures in his son's administration, issuing scathing critiques of Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

    In interviews with his biographer, Mr. Bush said that Mr. Cheney had built "his own empire" and asserted too much "hard-line" influence within George W. Bush's White House in pushing for the use of force around the world. Mr. Rumsfeld, the elder Mr. Bush said, was an "arrogant fellow" who could not see how others thought and "served the president badly."

    Bush Sr. (none / 0) (#207)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Nov 05, 2015 at 12:17:05 PM EST
    How convenient for him to finally decide to call out Cheney and Rumsfeld, long after it matters.  Where was he when we were blaming Saddam for 9/11, invading Iraq, and torturing people.

    I have great respect for the man when he was President, but as a father, he has failed this country to a very high degree.  And now his book appears to be defending GWB while he is currently pushing JED towards the WH.

    It will be interesting if he calls out the GWB war promotion team that JEB is using for his foreign policy.

    Mr N, did he also say he was in Cambodia (none / 0) (#208)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Nov 05, 2015 at 12:30:59 PM EST
    on Christmas Day 1968? Or landed under sniper fire at a Bosnian airport?