ISIS Claims Responsibility for Paris Attacks

ISIS has released an official statement (English audio here) claiming responsibility for the Paris attacks and explaining why.

On the attackers: One of the attackers came through Greece with refugees. Three are from the Molenbeek neighborhood of Brussels. [More...]

From ISIS' statement:

And so eight brothers equipped with explosive belts and assault rifles attacked precisely chosen targets in the center of the capital of France. These targets included the Stade de France stadium during a soccer match - between the teams of Germany and France, both of which are crusader nations - attended by the imbecile of France (Francois Hollande). The targets included the Bataclan theatre for exhibitions, where hundreds of pagans gathered for a concert of prostitution and vice. There were also simultaneous attacks on other targets in the tenth, eleventh, and eighteenth districts, and elsewhere. Paris was thereby shaken beneath the crusaders' feet, who were constricted by its streets. The result of the attacks was the deaths of no less than two hundred crusaders and the wounding of even more. All praise, grace, and favor belong to Allah.

Allah blessed our brothers and granted them what they desired. They detonated their explosive belts in the masses of the disbelievers after finishing all their ammunition. We ask Allah to accept them amongst the martyrs and to allow us to follow them.

Its warning to France and the rest of the world:

Let France and all nations following its path know that they will continue to be at the top of the target list for the Islamic State and that the scent of death will not leave their nostrils as long as they partake in the crusader campaign, as long as they dare to curse our Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him), and as long as they boast about their war against Islam in France and their strikes against Muslims in the lands of the Caliphate with their jets, which were of no avail to them in the filthy streets and alleys of Paris. Indeed, this is just the beginning. It is also a warning for any who wish to take heed.

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    On the Weekends... (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Nov 16, 2015 at 11:26:27 AM EST
    ...but watching football all day I knew something went down, but I waited until this morning to see what it was.  GD, how can human beings kill young people in the name of religion/god.  Worse, it's young people doing it, the main man is 27, but they were almost all in their 20's.

    So very sad, not just for the people of France, for for all the future people that will die in response, soldiers, women, children, all just pawns in the war machine.

    I keep reading the individual stories, and I need to stop, they are just so heartbreaking.  Young people in their prime who had nothing to do with anything in regards to the Middle East.

    FWIW, they believe that passports were left on purpose, the passports indicating that they were part of the refugee exodus.

    Sorry... (none / 0) (#30)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Nov 16, 2015 at 11:29:27 AM EST
    ...that should read on the weekends I don't watch the news but watching football...

    well . . . (none / 0) (#1)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 12:23:57 PM EST
    I'd be inclined to declare war and invade with ground troops . . . and to occupy the place like Germany after WWII.

    France alone or France and USA or USA alone . . . though an attack on one nation of NATO is supposed to cause all other nations to likewise defend it.


    I'd suggest a better approach (5.00 / 5) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 01:30:26 PM EST
    is to get out entirely and stop attacking them.

    These people aren't attacking France for (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 03:46:20 PM EST
    That reason. They have already made it clear Jeralyn. They want world domination. They want a Caliphate and they will attack all the rest of us forever because we are infidels.

    If they had a way to really attack France and make (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by ruffian on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 06:06:46 PM EST
    it part of a caliphate, they would not be using terrorist suicide bombings.  Terrorist attacks like this are just that - ways to terrorize, not take over territory.

    Do you think they are strong in their original  captured territories in the Middle East, or are they being weakened there and resorting to these sorts of attacks out of lack of ability to do anything else?


    They use terrorist suicide bombings everywhere (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 09:17:38 PM EST
    They use them in Syria and Iraq too

    Caliphate (none / 0) (#21)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 06:56:04 PM EST
    Is what they pronounce their goal is, but I do not think anyone believes they can achieve that. Reports are that they have been stymied in any recent attempts to increase territory, and perhaps have been weakened.

    They are brutal, violent and seem to live to invoke fear, and have a deep hatred of the Western  civilization.

    Population of France is 7.5% Muslim. Most are young, poor and unemployed. France doesn't encourage assimilation.

    That is a ripe pool of potential homegrown terrorists.

    And it appears that 2 of the killed terrorists came in with the Syrian refugees.


    Don't worry (none / 0) (#17)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 05:03:04 PM EST

    Just hours before the attack Obama said that ISIS is contained.  Further, that we should take tens of thousands more refugees from Syria.  With clear headed thinking like that, we are in the best of hands.

    you will see (none / 0) (#20)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 06:36:37 PM EST
    "You will see no more German planes . . . "

    The British commander Sir Arthur informs an American named Patton that the German planes no longer fly in the sky over Africa.  He will see no more of them.


    They have declared war against (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 03:49:55 PM EST
    The Taliban

    Al Qaeda







    Well Military Tracy . . . (none / 0) (#18)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 05:31:25 PM EST

    Now, I will admit that ISIS has a little old magazine called "Dabiq" and that we can find out about "Dabiq" by consulting wiki . . .

    and I will admit that Isis in their little old "Dabiq" states that they intend to take over the entire earth and destroy democracy and all religions that agree with democracy . . .

    and I will grant to you that hypotheticly, conceivably, that might include you and or me

    but I live in Seattle and you are probably somewhere else in the ole US of A.  

    Between ISIS and you and me are at least two bodies of water and there is also 1) Saudi Arabia; 2) Iraq and 3) Syria.  Why not let Iraq destroy ISIS, now that we have restored them to democracy and national glory?

    So, Isis is very far away, unless you count the ISIS controlled part of Libya, in which case ISIS is far away, but not quite as far away as Syria.

    Anyway, I would enjoy reading your plan, if any, for ISIS.


    ISIS is an ideology (none / 0) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 15, 2015 at 09:43:12 PM EST
    Miss Tracy (none / 0) (#31)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Nov 16, 2015 at 08:18:39 PM EST
    I was using your post to create some humor . . .

    but about ISIS being an ideology

    Fascism was an ideology in control in Italy for a while


    Naziism was an ideology in control of Germany and Austria for a while.

    After Hitler was dead and gone or after Hitler had disappeared and his followers had surrendeered unconditionally and some of them arrested and put on trial  . . .

    A whole lot of Germans stopped fighting for the idea and for the nation.

    Hitler dead . . . his friends in prison and sentenced to death . . . maybe a few of them escaped to Argentina or maybe not . . .

    It kind of diminished the appeal of the idea of unconditional obedience to the Fuehrer and to Germany over all with a very bad meaning--the original meaning of Germany over all meant putting Germany ahead of the interest of localities and principalities . . .

    If and when this fellow currently in charge is dead or in custody, there will be several thousand  fewer people fighting for him, even if some of the others migrate back to fighting for Al-qaeda.

    If and when ISIS ceases to exist, then, sure, some others will continue here and there to kill a few . . . but ISIS includes within it an eschatological religious part, and if ISIS doesn't exist, people will no longer fight for it.


    Absolutely. (none / 0) (#10)
    by desertswine on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 02:03:42 PM EST
    Too late for that, Counselor. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 06:56:56 PM EST
    The rubicon has been crossed.

    cbs interviewing john miller (none / 0) (#24)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sun Nov 15, 2015 at 12:41:23 AM EST
    cbs is now playing, interviewing some sort of expert john miller at 10:15 p.m. Pacific time.

    He says that there have been several isis inspired attacks in the USA that would have taken place but which have been stopped by good intelligence . . .

    ISIS would like to and would have killed people (at times, civilians, I think) in the USA by inspiring and/or training and/or directing them . . .

    We are already at war with ISIS in the mainland USA; it is simply that they have not killed anyone on our soil yet . . .

    Speaking to reporters at the J. Edgar Hoover Building in Washington, Comey said the FBI is seeing a "mix" of ISIS fighters directing and inspiring people in the U.S. to launch an attack.


    Not sure if there have been many Nazi pro-Hitler inspired terror attacks recently . . .  

    I think most of the Nazi-inspired terrorist attacks tended to stop in 1945 . . . though according to wiki "right-wing" terror attacks have killed about 48 people since 9/11/2001, but a lot of "right-wing" attacks are not specifically neo-Nazi.

    48 people in 14 years . . . about 3.5 per year . . . ok . . .

    It appears that more people die in Seattle each year in gang related violence than across the USA from right-wing terrorism, which is admittedly a harm when it occurs.


    Watching (none / 0) (#2)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 12:57:54 PM EST
    Interviews with French politicians, and one with Bernard-Henri Lévy, it appears France may be looking to put boots on the ground, and they will be looking for assistance.
    The interview with BHL  (on CNN) was eye opening , he was adamant "Leadership from behind is finished," Bernard-Henri Levy said. "If Mr. Obama wants to have a good legacy, if he wants to leave office with a real moral success, he has to help defeat Daesh."  Levy went on to say that Mr. Obama must understand that if he does not get more engaged, there would be more blood on the streets. He said air power was not enough.

    Well, if we continue to bomb, and only bomb, we will have a target on our back, and what happened in Paris may well happen here. Unlike Al Qaeda, ISIS is a nation state, take away their territory is the way to defeat them.

    So we either leave them alone and walk away, just run a air campaign as we are doing, or go in to wipe them out, with a lot of helping hands.
    Not a easy choice among the three.

    Unless there are other options I am missing.

    So (none / 0) (#4)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 01:16:14 PM EST
    We or France needs to ask Syria, Turkey and Iraq and a few others which of them, if any, will not mind if we use their roads to move trucks and tanks and troops into ISIS land.

    In the case of Turkey, their NATO obligations should allow us to insist . . .

    Even without nato obligations, we or France should insist.


    we should have an ally--ypj and ypg (none / 0) (#8)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 01:36:50 PM EST
    There is the ypj and ypg which are the armed militias of the somewhat communist leaning parts of Northern Syria.  

    these people have been under attack by ISIS and they have also rescued thousands of yazidis and they have done it without any international aid or support.

    The YPJ and YPG are the armed wing of a Kurdish coalition that has taken de facto control over much of Syria's predominantly Kurdish north, Rojava.[3]

    So, why are we not supporting them, arming them and training them and asking them for help with putting in ground forces?  They will not have religious objections to the presence of US or French . . .


    That (none / 0) (#9)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 01:50:27 PM EST
    So, why are we not supporting them, arming them and training them and asking them for help with putting in ground forces?  They will not have religious objections to the presence of US or French . . .

    Is the question Obama needs to answer. The only reason I could imagine is Turkey objects,

    But the Kurds are fighting ISIS, and fight well, unlike some Iraqi troops that we did arm to the teeth, and ISIS is now using those armaments against the Kurds.

    I don't get where Obama is with ISIS, if he didn't want boots on the ground, which we now have, at least he should have armed the Kurds.

    Well, France is now at war with ISIS, we shall see what that means.


    the "debates" (none / 0) (#13)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 02:17:25 PM EST
    Is there some reason that debate moderators have not asked the candidates about the ypg and ypj, and why people at WH press conferences have not been asking?

    Communist societies have very bad problems, but they have also managed to evolve peacefully into other things . . .

    There are a lot of Kurdish women I'd like to see given some tanks and training.


    does anyone wish to summarize (none / 0) (#3)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 01:06:56 PM EST
    does anyone wish to summarize the
    approaches put forward by the various candidates
    to ISIS?

    I already know Trump's approach, which he says is to bomb them into nonexistence and to bomb their oil . . .  This seems to me to be the cheap and inhumane way.

    I see that Cruz wants more airstrikes with more tolerance for killing civilians . . .

    According to Rubio . . . Obama's policy is bad . . . but according to Rachel Maddow, Rubio's policy is nearly identical to Obama's policy . . .  According to Maddow, Rubio, when critiquing Obama, is really also condemning his own policy, for they are so close . . .

    Ben Carson: I will make Isis 'look like losers' if elected president . . .

    How about

    I will ask Congress for a declaration of war . . . and we will ask for unconditional surrender.

    Then every Muslim preacher shall be interviewed to determine his position on killing Americans and French.  Those who believe in peaceful coexistence live and those who do not are captured or killed.

    can you put this in an open thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 01:29:26 PM EST
    it's not about the Paris attacks. This isn't a political thread.

    you are suggesting (none / 0) (#12)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 02:12:52 PM EST
    YOu are suggesting that I wait for the next open thread in order to bring up the topic of the appropriate policy, military and strategic response to ISIS killing several hundred civilians?

    OK . . . forgive me for not thinking of that before . . .  and for not thinking of it when ISIS probably downed a Russian plane.


    on political leanings and posting here (none / 0) (#5)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 01:25:59 PM EST
    The only two people who post on this thread after 3 hours are

    1) a crazed near-nude libertarian who believes in war;


    2) a conservative of some type who believes HRC is running for Obama's 3rd term?

    What are the dem or liberal recommended approaches to ISIS, if any . . . or simply, continue the airstrike-only policy?

    An Act of War says France's Hollande (none / 0) (#11)
    by christinep on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 02:04:38 PM EST
    In all honesty, if I were in France right now, that singular response makes sense. France surely understands war in and near its land ... as does all of Europe.  In my father's generation, France outlasted the fascistic enabling collaborators and turned with thanksgiving and honor for their own French Resistance.  

    While it would be erroneous of me to jump to a premature conclusion that the increasing terroristic acts--internationally,--in the past months should be a causus belli, it could well be equally foolhardy to avert the eyes and dream that the expansive terrorism now shown by ISIS will disappear if we all leave them alone/walk away.  I'm not ready to pull out the N. Chamberlain reference, but I am ready for an international mutual interest engagement.

    The problem is: I don't know what it means to "engage" a non-nation state terrorist group.  To begin with, it seems that the bomb-everything-in-sight approach results in little more than massive undifferentiated human casualties, extremely high cost to the treasury, and--perhaps--even higher cost to our sense of who we are as a people ethically & morally.  The phrase of "troops on the ground," and its reality, add little more except where there is a demonstrated locale dominated by an enemy.  So ... what does it mean, today, to "engage" an enemy ... and, to "engage" in a forceful, effective way.  (BTW, I say "forceful" because there is no real indication/suggestion/evidence that this particular group known as ISIS operates in any manner that principle & use of known international diplomacy methods would produce anything but more terrorism at this time.)

    The upcoming summit meeting in Turkey involving the US and European/EU leaders should give us a clue--I hope--about what meaningful "engagement" now should be.

    ISIS has terrority (none / 0) (#14)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Nov 14, 2015 at 03:15:08 PM EST
    ISIS is simply a nation which is not generally recognized as such internationally.  It has a general area of its dominion and other areas it has occuppied and there is ISIS in Libya.  You can see the map of Libya at here . . .

    ISIS controls eastern syria and northwestern Iraq.

    Iraqi forces are mostly unwilling to fight for a cause that they don't believe in.  Assad's forces are not our favorite.

    Those areas controlled by ISIS we recognize as an area of conflict, demand unconditional surrender and we occupy, together with communist and separatist kurds.

    It is not the Christian way to simply bomb the area into non-existence a la Trump or even Trump-lite Cruz.

    Occupy the area and those who don't want to live where we are can live under communist Kurds . . . and let Syria and Iraq know it is no longer theirs and in 4 to 10 years, the people can create a constitution and vote on governing themselves.

    The "end" of WWII went pretty well for West Germany . . . and 50 years later, for all of Germany . . .  I am pretty sure that Kurdish-communist area would not take 50 years to fall apart peacefully . . . and these Kurds have already acted like humanitarians at times.


    Turkey has been nothing but a problem (none / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 15, 2015 at 09:48:38 PM EST
    For months. And the fundamentalists took control of the government last week. We are all in for a season in hell.

    Obama at the G20 (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 16, 2015 at 09:58:14 AM EST
    "What is also true is, is that the most vicious ____ organizations at the moment are ones that claim to be speaking on behalf f true ____.    And I do think that _____ around the world, religious elders, political leaders, ordinary people, have to, you know, ask very serious questions about how did these extremist ideologies take root.   Even if it's only effecting a very small fraction of the population, it is real.   And it is dangerous.  And it is built up over time and with social media it is now accelerated.    And so on the one hand non _____ can not stereotype, but I also think the _____ community has to think about how we make sure children are not being infected with this twisted notion that somehow they can kill innocent people and that that is justified by religion."

    No he is not talking about Kevin Swanson.

    I (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by FlJoe on Mon Nov 16, 2015 at 10:10:41 AM EST
    wish one of these cowardly pols would call out the Saudis by name.