Joe Biden Ends Speculation: He is Not Running

Joe Biden announced he will not run for President.

He made the right decision.

I wonder what job Hillary will give him if she's elected.

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    The Only People Who are Really Crying Today are (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 03:22:29 PM EST
    those people too centrist to be Berners who hated the thought of `having' to vote for Hillary Clinton

    To those people, I can only say: it's time to suck it up. The latest polling had her up by at least 20 points over every other candidate in the race with Biden in it; the narrowest recent poll shows that, with Biden out, her lead over Sanders among Democratic primary voters goes to 25 points.
    Clinton's Achilles heel has always been her supposed divisiveness, but she may well end up facing a Republican next November whose entire political strategy is to divide Americans into people cheering his supposed truth-telling about Mexicans and Muslims and Megyn Kelly menstruating and the great silent majority of people who think that he's wrong, offensive and would be a terrible president.

    Trump is almost certainly not the person to be answering a 3am phone call, as Clinton asked voters to contemplate in 2008; on a bad day, he's not even a person most of us would trust with our Twitter password and the retweet button. But, again, he's the ongoing Republican front-runner - which, one assumes, is why the "scoop" that Biden was going to declare his candidacy went to Fox News and not the New York Times. Nobody wanted an alternative (and one known to run mediocre campaigns) to the Clinton juggernaut more than conservatives.

    Biden's withdrawal from the race gives his base of supporters two choices: throw support behind Clinton (the polls suggest they will); or try to Feel the Bern. With the Republican party drifting further right into sideshow territory, it's hard to see which, if any, of the GOP candidates can capture the near-mythical Reagan Democrats who might've been Biden's base after a Republican primary season in which popularity is a function of candidate's willingness to be the biggest jerk.


    The biggest losers in all this? (5.00 / 5) (#6)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 03:29:16 PM EST
    Users of the word "pal".

    They are a growing minority in this country. And they were really looking forward to a standard bearer. Someone who used that term regularly, forcefully and without cynicism. But members of this group are hardy lot. And today they collectively choke back a manful tear as they watch Biden ride off into the sunset. And then they all say as they do daily to sons, friends, and their faithful pets, "So long, pal."

    As Biden closes the window, let's spend a quiet moment thinking of this group. They didn't just lose a candidate today. They lost a champion.

    Robot (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:00:20 PM EST
    I meant to give you credit on the swing you saw happening in New Hampshire. I was suspect of Gravis but now looks like the RCP average may be Clinton by 5+ before the end of the month.

    Thanks! (none / 0) (#18)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:40:16 PM EST
    Now I'm trying to figure out the Republican race.  

    That's a real headscratcher.

    And still no polls from Iowa.  What's going on there?!?


    Expect lots of polls of all kinds (none / 0) (#24)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:54:48 PM EST
    on the Dem side over the next 7 days. Now that Biden is out they'll all want to update their info.

    I thought they run most of ... (none / 0) (#29)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 05:03:19 PM EST
    those polls without Biden as well.  They just release the number with Biden for free. You gotta pay to get the rest.

    Carson (none / 0) (#64)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 06:38:38 AM EST
    Just flew by Trump in latest poll

    Ben Carson has surged past Donald Trump in Iowa, according to a Quinnipiac University poll of likely Republican caucus participants out Thursday.
    The retired neurosurgeon leads the Republican field with 28 percent, while Trump has fallen behind with 20 percent. A September survey had Trump at 27 percent, and Carson at 21 percent


    This is meaningless (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 08:10:12 AM EST
    Santorum won in 2012 Huckabee in 2008.

    Iowa is the one and only place Carson might win.  

    In Massachusetts it's Trump 48 (+17 since June) Carson 14 (-9)


    Yep (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 08:32:38 AM EST
    heavily evangelical Iowa caucuses are about the only place Mr. Carson is sell-able.

    Did you see the interview with George S. with Carson? What an embarrassment!


    Very funny (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:23:24 PM EST
    I thought the SNL skit of the Dem debate was pretty funny. This might be funnier.

    Aww ... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:40:46 PM EST
    what a nice to say.

    Thank you!


    Hit send too fast ... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:41:46 PM EST
    I meant:

    What a nice thing to say.

    Thanks again!


    Looking forward to Tweety (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 05:50:38 PM EST
    I expect he will have the set draped in black crepe

    Biden was Tweetys guy.  A regular guy.  A white guy.  A guy.

    A Catholic guy (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:24:08 PM EST
    Oh man (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 06:16:03 PM EST
    He does NOT disappoint.  Him the idiotic Kathlene Parker and the odious Howard Finenan.

    All star.

    If you want to know why the dip sh!t media wanted Biden in the race all you have to do is watch Tweetys opening segment.   It's all right there.  

    I recommend watching it.  It will be on line soon


    Oh, man (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 07:17:29 PM EST
    spill the beans!

    I read where Fineman said that he knew all along Biden was not running, since the summer. Thanks stupid media if that's true.


    Videos up (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 07:32:37 PM EST
    Champion of the middle class (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:02:09 PM EST
    What horse puckie.

    TPP, the bankruptcy laws and his stance on criminal justice not exactly acts of a middle class hero.

    BTW, Tweety is an asinine tool.


    Now I'm really sick of hearing about (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:21:30 PM EST
    Hiw much and how many republicans loved them sum Joe Biden.

    Maddox's opening segment has Lindsey crying in the back seat if a car while he tells us how much he loves Joe Biden, Eric Cantor writing glowingly about him in TIME, Mitch McConnell and Jonh McCain saying how much they love him while getting all rheumy eyed.


    They're (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:29:12 PM EST
    crying because they wanted to run against him is what I think.

    Yes, I found it all a bit much. (5.00 / 2) (#144)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:25:55 PM EST
    Perhaps nice for a eulogy, but irrelevant on many other levels.   I have never been awed by the oh, how it used to be, ala, Tweety's take that Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan fought on policies and, yet, had drinks together later.

     The issue for a citizen is that they had different positions and policies, and that the drinks together may be nice for them, it did not temper or override the policies. And, certainly, the relationships that Biden cultivated over the years with some Republicans, did little, but deceive or dupe--legislation of note, e.g. Obamacare, passed without a single Republican vote. It probably just read as, sorry Joe, but we can't help you.


    Okay. (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 07:52:45 PM EST
    They wanted someone to beat up on Hillary it looks like to me.

    I don't get the whole beltway "Middle Class Joe" though. That is not his record from all the banking legislation he sponsored.

    He's almost threatening to go to the mat at anybody who doesn't do what he thinks they should do. Wow. I just find that whole episode very bitter.


    Oh, and (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:00:59 PM EST
    did you notice how tweety sneered when he mentioned Bernie?

    Notwithstanding that Biden was my 4th choice.... (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by magster on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 10:58:47 PM EST
    of the current Dem nominees, I will always be grateful that he stopped the bleeding with his smiling "malarky" debate against the oh-so-serious Paul Ryan after Obama's first debate poor performance.

    My husband (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 10:33:07 AM EST
    is watching Hillary testify. It's becoming an infomercial for Hillary for America and the GOP is writing the script for a Saturday Night Live skit.

    Oh yes indeedy (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by BarnBabe on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 03:44:48 PM EST
    I was thinking of that yes or no guy. Mr Hardnose can just ask her if she went to the bathroom this morning. Yes or no. He is odious for sure. Even the GOP women are scary. That is our future?
    I am glad they gave her time to describe the attack. They did not ask but she got it in and they could not interrupt. It was moving and she was on the verge of tears as I was also. She held on, I didn't. These Goopers are the ones who will be wanting favors when she is President. She can just play the tape.

    Off Topic... (none / 0) (#165)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 04:17:00 PM EST
    ...but from another thread.

    In the movie 'Ted' the real Flash Gordon makes a... more than an appearance, he is in several scenes, and if I am not mistaken, they also play the theme song by Queen.  By real I mean the FG from the 80's movie, Sam Jones.

    I actually found the clip and another.


    I remember that movie from college. (none / 0) (#177)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 05:15:17 PM EST
    I thought the best thing about it was Max Von Sydow, who chewed the scenery as Ming the Merciless. The rest was pretty forgettable, even Queen's soundtrack. Sam Jones was also in Blake Edwards' 1979 sex comedy, "10," in which he played the hapless husband of the title character (Bo Derek). Other than that, I can't think of anything else he's been in.

    Here is a Link... (none / 0) (#98)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 11:31:34 AM EST
    ...and right now someone is letting HRC, and in the questioners words, "Let you debunk the myths of the investigation, including what you were doing that night."



    Watching the replay on MSNBC (none / 0) (#193)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 06:50:41 PM EST
    Holy hell, it is gruesomely awesome

    NASA has recently discovered (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 11:42:05 AM EST
    a real death star shredding a distant solar system. Any chance this death star could alter course and shred the Benghazi committee? And if that happened, would the GOP and its media lapdogs blame the whole thing on HRC?

    After all, word on the wing nut street is that Hillary has evil superpowers.

    Given the distance in light years, ... (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:28:20 PM EST
    ... the phenomena recently witnessed by NASA witnessed were actually the intergalactic reaction to the 1999 film Star Wars, Episode I: The Phantom Menace.

    Watching overseas betting markets (5.00 / 3) (#129)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:25:36 PM EST
    I can only assume Hillary looks very presidential in today's hearing. The odds of her getting the Dem nomination just hit 1/9 at one site.

    For those unaware what that means, there was a time at racetracks that 1/9 was the shortest price tracks could legally pay out by state law. Bet 2 bucks on Hillary and you'll win all of 20 cents.

    Don't think this was Gowdy's plan.

    At the end of the day they may as well close this hearing with music

    Oh my god (5.00 / 2) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 05:10:20 PM EST
    This thing is getting worse by the minute.  These republicans should all just make a massive donation to Hillary's super pac and save everyone a lot of time.

    It laughable.  Even Hillary is starting to see the humor.   Funny wink during Roskams ravings

    Haven't watched much (none / 0) (#178)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 05:20:10 PM EST
    of it.  Have any of the Republican Representatives been worse than the chair, Trey Gowdy?  I can't watch him without thinking of the inbred banjo-boy in Deliverance.  Just put in a brand new Stein-mart suit two-sizes two large for him, the banjo under the desk.  

    Oh yes (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 05:24:09 PM EST
    Roskam for one.  Probably the worst.   You can just imagine women across the country switching parties.   The other worse is Mr "yes or no answer".  Don't know his name and hope I never have to.

    Did the republicans put every republican woman on this committee.  Wonder why.

    Also, do we think the one from Alabama could have washed her hair for this?  Jeez.


    Not Roskam (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 05:38:54 PM EST
    Jordan.  Roskam is actually sort of limp.

    Jordan is the worst.  They are beginning to blur a bit.


    "Mr. Yes or No" is ... (none / 0) (#184)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 05:53:20 PM EST
    ... Rep. Mike Pompeo (R-Dark Side of the Moon).

    She disposed of the (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 05:56:12 PM EST
    "Sid as key player" thing rather effectively.  I thought.

    Clearly (5.00 / 2) (#187)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 06:01:00 PM EST
    The republicans are cranking it up to 11 now.  They are hoping people are tuning in prime time and trying to rattle Hillary.

    Fun to watch.   Like a child having a tantrum.


    Who is this Jordan guy? (5.00 / 2) (#192)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 06:50:24 PM EST
    What a jerk. How many ways can HRC tell him that she did not personally go through the emails to determine which ones were business and which personal. Her lawyers did, and she stayed out of it. She has explained that to him at least five times now. And he keeps interupting her.

    Does every Republican on the committee harbor dreams of being the TV prosecutor who breaks the suspect on the stand? If so, they need to stop watching TV.

    This must be live! (5.00 / 2) (#194)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 06:53:25 PM EST
    Amazing, I thought I had missed it. Can't believe that Jordan- people really vote for idiotic jerks like that.

    The Republicans (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 06:53:44 PM EST
    are getting downright desperate at this late hour. They know they have been failing so far. He was even screeching why did you mention the Secret Service. What a clown show this has become.

    Casey (5.00 / 1) (#204)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 07:14:05 PM EST
    It is.  But this is great for Hillary.  I can't imagine how exhausted she must be but this is great for her.

    She has been badgered by morons for 11-12 hours by the time it's done.   She has been gracious funny composed and completely in charge.

    This is a disaster for the republicans.  If there was any doubt Hillary would be the next president, they just took it out back and shot it in the head.

    I don't think Joe needs a job (none / 0) (#1)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 02:30:37 PM EST
    Vice Presidents make a very nice pension I believe his annual pension will be in the area of $184,000.

    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 02:33:48 PM EST
    Maybe used as a Special Envoy with Congress occasionally if needed.

    He can also (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 03:40:24 PM EST
    write a book, give speeches, perhaps sit on the boards of a few corporations (aren't these what a lot of ex-politicians do, after all?) and perhaps be called upon to act as a Special Envoy, or a mediator, or something, on occasion.
    He's not a bad man* or anything near that.  He's just not what this country needs.

    *well, okay, his comment about Dick Cheney was awful, but he probably spoke out of incredible naïveté.  Not that I forgive him for that-  it was pretty bad, and also clueless.


    I think Biden has (none / 0) (#21)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:42:45 PM EST
    been a good vice president. The annoying Hamlet performance these past weeks should not taint that service over the long haul.

      He probably forced President Obama's hand on "evolving" on marriage equality.  Speaking on one of the Sunday talk shows (May 6, 2012) he called for the same rights--all civil rights and all civil liberties. There was some comment at the time that Biden jumped the gun on a presidential announcement, but the fact remains that his statement proved pivotal.

    However, Biden made a good call today.  As a presidential candidate, his record would go beyond his vice presidency, and rake up less postive matters such as Anita Hill and more.

    His wise decision should be followed up by public support for his recent colleague and team member in the Obama Administration, Hillary Clinton. And, after completion of his term of office, enjoy his statesman-emeritus status.


    With due respect (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:52:47 PM EST
    I think you are both being to easy and giving to much credit.

    Cheney is a nice guy, republicans are not MY enemy, the Bin Laden thing, etc etc.   it was stinking up the joint.

    He was out f controll.  And I would bet Obama said zip it, shut this down or I will endorse Hilkary or some variation of that possibly more diplomatically.


    Don't pick on my cousin! (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:57:21 PM EST
    I recently found out Dick Cheney is a sixth cousin.

    Making me more closely related to him than Obama is.  They're only ninth cousins.

    As Cosmo Kramer once said:

    Mother Nature is a mad scientist!


    I always thought (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 05:00:41 PM EST
    There was something about you.✌️

    Also extending the comment above I would bet he went off script as Barnbabe (I think) said in that silly rambling hoe down in the rise garden.
    Obamas body language, and his wife's too actually, was very interesting.


    It looked like a last minute ... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 05:04:56 PM EST

    Because the latter part of his comments was clearly his announcement speech.  Adjusted slightly.


    Certainly (none / 0) (#65)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 06:40:40 AM EST
    Sounded that way

    Doubtful Obama or any intelligent (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:58:21 PM EST
    sitting President would endorse anyone until the primaries have chosen a winner.

    Maybe he just threatened (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 05:01:36 PM EST
    To tell the truth about the Bin Laden raid?

    Clinton endorsed Gore ... (none / 0) (#31)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 05:09:32 PM EST
    on December 12, 1999.

    Remember Gore did have an opponent in the primaries.  Bill Bradley.

    He didn't turn out to be much of an opponent.  But that wasn't so clear in December.


    While I am far from any kind of fan (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 05:15:17 PM EST
    of Biden, his draconian hard on crime and anti-drug stances, his kowtowing to the financial industries (like making sure that the bankruptcy laws don't apply to college loans, among others), etc, I will give him some credit for pushing Obama on same-sex marriage equality and gay rights.
    Maybe that's little enough, but that was pretty important.
    (And, oh, yes, I wish that this country had paid attention to him years ago when he said that Iraq should be broken up into three countries, basically, one for the Shiites, one for the Sunnis, and one for the Kurds.) He also authored the Violence Against Women Act.
    Other than that, yeh he was pretty bad.  I have to scratch my head about him and ask, what the heck is going on with him?
    He needs to retire from the political field.

    While I've told myself not to engage (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by christinep on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 06:53:18 PM EST
    in speculation about something that may never be known, I'll do a bit of a deviation here, Zorba. Mostly, your stated feelings match mine.  What I would add: The grief that he suffers is real, and it is etched mightily on his face ... and, I accept that such a life trauma has an effect on decision-making.  

    While my husband & I have never been Biden fans per se, we have acknowledged privately his reach & real-ness with a segment of the population from which we hail in Pennsylvania.  Husband never really forgot the plagiarism scenario; and, I have deep feelings about the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings and Anita Hill.  All that said, I feel that he and his family are good, good people.

    From the beginning, I doubted the stories of his impending entry--given that so many were typical Repub sources--and said so. Equally, I've thought that Joe Biden knew at least for some weeks where he was headed and--in that process--that a capable politician as he has been over many years, he also knew that the people (Repubs and some press) that have openly mocked him as a "joker" etc. over the past few years were the ones encouraging his run the most.  For that reason, I have said that this felt like a controlled & deserved tease, at a certain point ... because he may be grief and he may be a bit out of sync with the party base these days, but the years show that he is no dummy.

    I truly hope that he gets to enjoy the upcoming retirement fully; and, that he provides service to his country as he can do when called.


    Yes, I agree (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 05:19:34 PM EST
    with you Captain, on these last weeks, and days--Cheney, McCain and Republicans et.al. Unfathomable, if not unhinged comments.  Indeed, until that announcement, I was sure he was in, and looking for a non-Sanders, non-Clinton niche.

     Maybe, the disgusted moderate Republicans that will vote for Biden, indicating just how out of touch he has become.  Deluded, no moderates around and none disgusted.

      And, I am still wondering why the announcement not to run for president was made at the WH with the President and first lady at his side.  It would seem more fitting to do so at the Vice President's residence, on his own. Must be a story lurking about.  Still, I did want to give Joe Biden his due---the good due.


    because Obama (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by CST on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 05:20:40 PM EST
    hauled him out by the ear and made him give that speech.



    I think that probably not far from the truth (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 05:28:54 PM EST
    Hence the short notice.

    Yeah, I think (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 06:04:54 PM EST
    someone sat him down and told him 1. if you run you're not going to win. 2. You have to shut down this nonsense and the only way to do it is to make an announcement you

    Well ... a wee bit harsh (none / 0) (#42)
    by christinep on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 07:01:16 PM EST
    As said above, I'm not a big Biden fan ... but, your comments strike me as harsh.  Take a look at the totality of his life and service.  Your druthers, of course.

    As for location--and speaking as one who is a solid, unwavering HRC supporter and would resent an upending ploy from Biden or other high level Dem insider--I think that the decision to use the WH setting with the President at his side says a lot about the President's positive appraisal of the VP as a friend.  I appreciate that very much; it says a lot of positive things about a genuine thanks from both of them.  It was very graceful.


    I (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 09:51:01 PM EST
    think Biden is turning into Lieberman before our very eyes. How dare he question Hillary's enemies the day before she goes into the belly of the beast. If she was not treating Trey Gowdy and his cronies as enemies, she would be considered a fool.

    I see Biden going out as the fool. I just hope he STFU for the duration and saves his nonsense for the "both siderism" welfare circuit.

    CNN is still blathering about it. Hillary is such a meanie, Biden is so nice even Republicans like him, if only all Democrats were like him our Democracy would work again. I want to barf.


    Like a one day of 7 yrs (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by BarnBabe on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 07:39:19 PM EST
    I give him credit for holding his thoughts for all these years. I kept waiting for a Biden moment. It all came in one day. He managed to take credit for creating democracy and providing Obama with all his thoughts and ideas. What he said did not make sense and I doubt Obama liked the idea that they were sharing the Oval office all these years.

    lol. Biden for Speaker of the House (none / 0) (#62)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:42:40 PM EST
    Hey, it's a gig.

    Maybe Hillary Can Make Him... (none / 0) (#4)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 03:04:00 PM EST
    ...Czar of Curing Cancer.

    If your closest of relatives, friends (none / 0) (#56)
    by christinep on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 09:48:36 PM EST
    died from cancer, it just may leave a powerful imprint on you.  I wouldn't disparage that.

    My mother died of cancer (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:01:50 AM EST
    My father died of cancer.   My sister is permanently altered as a result of complications of cancer.

    Biden is full of sh!t.


    He may be full of (none / 0) (#122)
    by christinep on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:10:35 PM EST
    all kinds of things...politically.  IMO, people are usually multi-dimensioned.  Again, imo, VP Biden clearly has a close family relationship, and was especially close with his son.  Since it has been less than 6 months since the loss of his son, I respect that his emotions may wander and that his personal response to the subject of cancer may be powerful for now (and maybe for some time to come.)

    Cut the guy a break in his human dimension, Howdy.  People often react in unpredictable & strong & not logical ways when death strikes very close to home and heart.  And, when a son or daughter predeceases a parent ... well, the pain must be beyond measure.  (Speaking for myself, the sudden death of my sister threatened my sanity for a long, long time ... and, years later the immediate cause of her death even when the disease is the subject of something I hear or see inadvertently causes a deep grip inside.)

    Sometimes I get the feeling from your comments that you put people in boxes and stratify them for all time.  That may be an unfair take on my part; but, I do not find that most people are all good or all bad.  So ....


    OK Then... (none / 0) (#75)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 08:53:10 AM EST
    ...not for nothing, but is there anyone in the US who can say they haven't been effected by cancer, seriously.

    My point was clearly disparaging Biden's words, which were all over the place, not people who have had it or the folks who are actually working on a cure and not just throwing those words into a 'I want to President, but I am not running' speech.

    Would you have refereed Czar of Republicans are the Opposition, Not Our Enemies.


    Funny... (none / 0) (#3)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 03:01:07 PM EST
    ...if she's elected.

    More (none / 0) (#7)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 03:31:54 PM EST
    The graphs are pretty telling in this article.

    With Mr. Biden out, Mrs. Clinton is positioned to consolidate a key combination of elite support and moderate voters. The evidence of Mrs. Clinton's gains could start to trickle in almost immediately, since she was the second choice of nearly all of Mr. Biden's voters in public opinion polls over the last month.

    A united coalition of moderate, nonwhite and older voters represents a clear majority of the Democratic primary electorate. Mrs. Clinton took a commanding lead of 57 percent to 31 percent over Mr. Sanders in an average of seven September surveys that removed Mr. Biden from the equation. Similarly, an Upshot model from earlier this year suggested that Mrs. Clinton would have defeated Mr. Obama, 62 to 38 percent, in 2008 if black voters had voted like demographically similar nonblack voters (like Hispanic voters).

    Mr. Sanders can still claim the support of one of the party's largest and most influential wings: the party's predominantly Northern, white progressive base. That will be enough to compete in the key early contests of New Hampshire and Iowa and in some other states, but not in more diverse or conservative states like South Carolina. A recent CNN poll there showed Mrs. Clinton leading by a 70-to-20 margin if Mr. Biden stayed out of the race.

    Mrs. Clinton's strength in the polls is underpinned by just about all of the factors that predict primary strength. Her policy views are right in the middle of the Democratic Party, denying Mr. Sanders much room to challenge her on strictly ideological grounds. Her support from party elites has bestowed substantial financial, organizational and public resources that will give her the ability to remain competitive on the air and on the ground.


    Now the polls will get interesting, even if it is still early.

    Not sure they get any more interesting (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:12:57 PM EST

    on a state by state basis.

    It always looked like Sanders could win 2 maybe 3 states. Now it becomes 1 maybe 2 states.


    Reading the NYT comments, many (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:23:35 PM EST
    commenters revere Biden. Some of those stated they would never vote for HRC.

    The new 'PUMA"? (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:36:20 PM EST
    Or rather, the new "group that shall never be named on this blog?"

    Waaaaambulance needed (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:29:30 PM EST
    I guess this is the New NYTimes readership.

    word of advice (none / 0) (#14)
    by CST on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:31:06 PM EST
    Don't read the comments, read the polls.  She doesn't need every single yahoo online to vote for her, she just needs enough registered voters.

    I also have a hunch that a lot of those "never Hillary" people might change their minds when she starts running against "insert Republican candidate"


    Maybe a regional thing? (none / 0) (#15)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:34:27 PM EST
    No idea why there is this love...lots of bank business in Delaware though, I'm sure he was good to them as a Senator.

    I'm surprised at the effect it is thought to be having on the race in consolidating Clinton's support. I did not consider his support big enough to make that much of a difference. Go figure.


    I think the effect (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:36:32 PM EST
    Might be overstated

    More than bank business (none / 0) (#47)
    by BarnBabe on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 07:58:42 PM EST
    Many out of state companies are registered in Delaware because of the tax structure there. All they need to do is pay for office space with a desk and a phone and send a staffer there once a month to make a few calls. Unless things have changed you can look up some companies in Calif and see where they are registered. All comes down to the bucks. They stop in Delaware. Heh.

    NYT commenters always ... (none / 0) (#23)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:53:47 PM EST
    seem to be those NY types who scream about civil rights while their illegal alien maid is putting away the groceries.

    Weird and illuminating also, the turn (none / 0) (#33)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 05:14:45 PM EST
    on comments here as well.  We are a vicious and capricious species.

    Yes - Vicious and bitter today (none / 0) (#54)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:54:13 PM EST
    and I'm not talking about the NY Times.

    It seems (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 05:12:28 PM EST
    the beltway is bemoaning the death of bipartisanship with Biden pulling out of the race as Hillary is too "partisan". You know, there are days where I wish the beltway media would get a clue.

    Bemoaning the death of something that (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:42:57 PM EST
    Hasn't been alive since Bill Clinton had the audacity to steal the hearts of the country and the world. Bernie owns the Millenials, Biden owns the Delusionals.

    It's like (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:47:27 PM EST
    they talk to each other at cocktail parties and so that's how Washington is. I have to wonder do they not realize how crazy the GOP is? It seems to completely fly over their heads or they think crazy is normal.

    Crazy has become the new normal (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:56:15 PM EST
    Millennial are ... (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 10:03:05 PM EST
    morons.  Even more than most generations when they're young.

    And they look easy pickings to become very conservative.  Or worse.  


    My experience from working with (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 08:01:42 AM EST
    These people taught me a few things.  

    You don't want to share a bathroom or kitchen with them

    They, as the article says, have strong and often clueless opinions about everything.   But they can flip overnight and be just as strong in the opposite tomorrow.

    They are very dismissive of the opinions of others.  More even than most "young people" in my experience.  Vaccinations is a great example of this.  I was stunned how many smart informed well educated refused to vaccinate their children.

    They are very easily led.  Less generously you could say they are easily manipulated.   I saw this when Obama was running as a good thing.  Now with Trump not so much.


    Trump's Support (none / 0) (#87)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:43:23 AM EST
    Is not coming from the youth



    Here (none / 0) (#88)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:47:31 AM EST
    Is a better breakdown

    The younger you are, the less you like Trump.


    That survey (none / 0) (#89)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:49:12 AM EST
    Doesn't account for those between 25-35, who are millenials.

    See my next comment (none / 0) (#90)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:51:49 AM EST
    That one does

    So about (none / 0) (#92)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 10:00:00 AM EST
    Over 20% (taking some from the 30-44 group, as that group contains millenials).

    One fifth.  Not really surprising for any Republican candidate atbthis stage, I would venture.


    30-44 is at 20% (none / 0) (#93)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 10:03:51 AM EST
    So it's a bit under.

    But yes I agree with that.  My point is, it's not millennials who are fueling Trump's rise.  Certainly not more than any other generation, as is implied in Howdy's comment.  In fact, less so than other generations.


    30-35 (none / 0) (#95)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 10:18:34 AM EST
    Are millenials, so while they are grouped in the 30-44 range, if we're talking about "millenials" and their support, you kinda have to blend the 18% of 18-29 year olds and the 30-44.

    And in the new PPP poll, Trump gets 32% of those 18-45 (and again, overlapping a bit on generations).


    I know (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 10:25:26 AM EST
    that was what I was saying, in the chart I had 18-29 was 18% and 30-44 was at 20%, which would put your 18-35 somewhere between 18% and 20%.  Although the PPP poll is showing the opposite of what the other poll was showing in terms of younger support vs. senior support, 18-45 is also a pretty big range so it's hard to tell.

    I guess it's really a mixed bag.

    All I'm really trying to say though, is that you can not dump this one on younger voters like the Sanders/Obama thing.  Because it's not clear that they are the drivers of this in any meaningful way.


    Going through that list (5.00 / 3) (#85)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:32:41 AM EST
    With the exception of the last thing on it, it pretty much aligns with a lot of my views, and it isn't inconsistent.

    "Conservatives can say: 65 percent of Millennials would like to cut spending.
    Liberals can say: 62 percent would like to spend more on infrastructure and jobs."

    Cut spending on the military, don't spend trillions on wars, then you'll have money for infrastructure and jobs (yes, I realize the military provides jobs, but bombs don't - be efficient with the money you do spend)

    "Conservatives can say: 58 percent of Millennials want to cut taxes overall.
    Liberals can say: 66 percent want to raise taxes on the wealthy."

    This one seems pretty straight forward to me.  Although I'd say "overall" to me means for a majority of people, not in the sense of lowering the total taxes coming in.

    "Conservatives can say: 66 percent of Millennials say that "when something is funded by the government, it is usually inefficient and wasteful."
    Liberals can say: More than two-thirds think the government should guarantee food, shelter, and a living wage."

    You can think that the government is wasteful and inefficient and still think it's necessary to provide basic services.  I'll take wasteful and inefficient over nothing any day of the week.  I mean that's pretty much the Massachusetts way (see the Big Dig, still better than not doing the Big Dig)

    That last one, I got nothing.

    But there are some things I want less of from government, and some things I want more of.  Like less drug war, more parental leave.  For example.

    I think the scary thing we're running up against with young people is loss of economic hope and a lot of people with nothing to lose.  And I think everyone should be very afraid of that.


    Oh, yeah? (none / 0) (#179)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 05:23:26 PM EST
    CST: "[Y]es, I realize the military provides jobs, but bombs don't[.]"

    Tell that to the casts and crews of "Expendables 3," "The Lone Ranger" and "A Million Ways to Die in the West."


    A PhD who works with my husband (none / 0) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 10:40:08 PM EST
    Did a study of millenials for the military and came up with similar evidence. I don't know when they'll make enough money to evolve into the sociopathic Conservatives they'd like to be to counter our poor parenting, but it's pretty obvious that my generation while struggling to be perfect parents handing out iPhones managed to raise a swath of emotionally delusional spoiled sheltered tyrants.

    Bravo GenX, our grandparents were the greatest generation...time will tell what generation we birthed, but they are in for one hell of a bumpy landing.


    Now, now. (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:24:13 AM EST
    Most of them ... (none / 0) (#102)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:13:51 PM EST
    have boomer parents, not GenX parents.

    And I'm a GenXer who has no connection to the "greatest generation".

    My parents were part of the "silent generation", and my grandparents were born in the naughts.


    I love this comment. I have no idea why. (none / 0) (#61)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:39:26 PM EST
    It sounds right.  Does that make it wrong?

    Any word yet (none / 0) (#66)
    by fishcamp on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 07:28:50 AM EST
    on the additional 124 pages of Trey Gowdy and his friends evil condemnation of Hillary?  Heading off to the gym soon to face the now lesser ranking Republicans.  The ex-Marine is easy to foil, but the retired civil lawyer is very good at changing the conversation in mid stream.

    Don't panic (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 07:51:11 AM EST
    You must be patient with the shifty lawyer. He's like the large bonefish that slightly alters course after your perfect fly cast. Even Lefty Kreh in his prime would have trouble hooking him.

    Hey (none / 0) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 08:00:31 AM EST
    I just shut up some Republicans on Facebook talking about how Gowdy spent taxpayer money on wine parties with engraved wine glasses saying glacial pace and forming a gun club. You can hit them with that information to prep them for the big guns.

    If she is prepared and has a good showing (none / 0) (#71)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 08:19:31 AM EST
    Which I have no doubt about, it should be great for her.  The Hill is quoting an aide saying that HRC is planning to use her appearance to outline her vision for US leadership abroad ("in the vein of the work of the late Chris Stevens").  She's going to get hours of free air time that will be disseminated and talked about all weekend.  And since the Committee and its chair are playing defense, unless she completely screws up and gives them a line like last time ("What does it matter?), then this could be very good for her.

    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 08:28:07 AM EST
    Unless CaptGowdy pulls a rabbit out of he butt this will be a good day for Hillary.
    Hours and hours of free time on every news and possibly network channel to look smart informed and ready.

    I fully expect unless there are some major surprises, which I do not expect, the republicans will once again show us the definition of "over reach" and show the country a person who is fearless and fierce.


    You know (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 08:36:19 AM EST
    the Dems released the entire testimony of Blumenthal and Mills. If Gowdy acts like that he is going to implode the entire committee but more likely drag the entire GOP down with him. Gowdy asked Blumenthal over and over the meaning of just one word. He asked and asked until Blumenthal's lawyer pretty much shot Gowdy down. Even I who thinks Gowdy is moron couldn't believe Gowdy was that stupid. There is a reason why Gowdy wanted everything secret.

    I haven't read it (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by sj on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:36:57 PM EST
    but now you have gotten me curious: what was the word?

    Gowdy said and (none / 0) (#103)
    by ragebot on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:15:03 PM EST
    Clinton seems to confirm that Sid's emails were not written by him.

    Clinton looks very uncomfortable under his questioning.  When asked about Sid's employment status her response may well be made into a hit add in the election.


    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:19:38 PM EST
    just like Pompeo implying that Ambassador Stevens was working with Al Qaeda. Whatever. Gowdy looks like the little angry boy that was let loose to sit in the big chair for the day.

    Andrea Mitchell and Brian Williams (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:06:10 AM EST
    We're just discussing the fact that Michael Bay us making a movie about Benghazi that might be unflattering to Hillary and this is a very serious problem for Hillary.

    I wonder if either of them know who Michael Bay is or seen one of his movies.

    The problem (none / 0) (#78)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:10:38 AM EST
    is that movie has been put to bed already before all the new information has come out.

    But no, it's not going to be a problem. If her hair got messed it would be a "problem" according to them.


    Yes, and 3 of the 4... (none / 0) (#80)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:14:04 AM EST
    ...families in which relatives died at Benghazi are taking issue with the 'facts' of the movie, the other, who was on the TV... well I will let people come to their own conclusions as I am sure these people will be all over the TV soon enough.

    Here is a Mother (none / 0) (#84)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:25:53 AM EST
    ...commenting on an attack ad that ran in certain markets during the debate.

    I can't find the other mother's comments.

    And while not surprised, I had no idea there was a PAC called 'Stop Hillary'.

    Found it, the woman blaming HRC for her son's death.  LINK

    No matter what anyone says, I think all of this is a problem no matter the results of today, the republicans are not going to stop with Benghazi, they can't.


    Oh, yeah (none / 0) (#86)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:36:57 AM EST
    the GOP is going to continue to try because they've got nothing else.

    Right... (none / 0) (#94)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 10:16:54 AM EST
    ...what are they going to run on the economy, gay marriage, abortion ?  They have the Middle East, which they really screwed up last time but no one seems to care, and their number one hit Benghazi with email coming in at a close second.

    You don't throw out your best sellers...


    Michael Bay is to good filmmaking, ... (none / 0) (#105)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:17:08 PM EST
    ... what M&Ms and Cheez Whiz are to a healthy diet. For anyone seeking accuracy and truth in his films, I'd simply point out that "Pearl Harbor" had scenes of modern guided missile frigates being strafed by Japanese zeros, and the USS Arizona being dive-bombed from above with the USS Arizona Memorial -- erected 21 years later in 1962 -- clearly visible in the corner of the same frame.

    8 Minutes in (none / 0) (#79)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:13:05 AM EST
    I had to turn it off.

    First Committee. First Committee. First Committee. First Committee. First Committee. First Committee. First Committee. First Committee. First Committee.

    Gowdy bored me to death.

    I'll read the news accounts tonight.

    Trey Gowdy is being (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:06:20 PM EST
    awfully  aggressive with his questioning. And snotty. If I were HRC I would find it very difficult not to punch him in the nose. One good punch. What an @-hole.

    They started (5.00 / 3) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:16:37 PM EST
    off with stupid and now they're moving to angry conservative spouting conspiracy theories. Hillary is unflappable. They are having a meltdown because they are not getting what they want. However, I think they might have been better off sticking with stupid. All their training on how to not scream at women or look like sexist bozos just went out the window.

    But then he'd start to cry, and ... (none / 0) (#108)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:22:22 PM EST
    ... the storyline would be what a heartless and evil bully Mrs. Clinton is. Oh, wait, that's already the storyline in yesterday's Daily Beast. My bad.

    I can't stop (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:18:04 AM EST
    Maybe later.  But I will probably be right here all day.

    You can blog (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:20:40 AM EST
    it for us then.

    I was hoping J and BTD would (none / 0) (#91)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:58:43 AM EST
    live blog.  

    You should have waited (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 09:20:00 AM EST
    For Cummings

    With regard to the question you pose, TL: (none / 0) (#101)
    by scribe on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:06:45 PM EST
    "I wonder what job Hillary will give him if she's elected",

    I hear the Trappists are hiring.

    Fireworks in the Clinton hearing (none / 0) (#107)
    by ragebot on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:21:33 PM EST
    Seems like a parliamentary question about the committee voting on releasing transcripts of Sid's testimony.  Not sure who is right dems say they can vote on it in the hearing but repubs say they cant.  Long fight now, so and I wonder why the parliamentarian is not called.

    Time for lunch but probably more fireworks when the hearing resumes.

    The transcripts (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:22:26 PM EST
    of Blumenthal have already been released by Elijah Cummings.

    Don't confuse the GOP narrative with facts (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:28:36 PM EST
    Speaking of the GOP narrative, ... (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:00:32 PM EST
    ... Mrs. Clinton's devastating dismissal of GOP Rep. Jim Jordan's line of questioning neatly sums up the entirety of the Republicans' Benghazi snipe hunt:

    Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) pressed Clinton on a question that has been examined by previous panels investigating the Benghazi attacks: why the Obama administration initially and inaccurately attributed the attacks to a spontaneous protest over an anti-Muslim YouTube video. The Ohio Republican repeatedly spoke over Clinton and accused her of not being square with the public in order to preserve the "success story" of the administration's intervention in Libya.

    Jordan argued that Clinton knew all along that the attacks had "nothing to do with the film," citing emails she sent to the prime minister of Egypt and to her family.

    "Why didn't you just speak plain to the American people?" he asked.

    "I did," Clinton responded, having argued that she referred to the violence as an attack that some assailants had justified on the basis of the video.

    "If you look at my statement as opposed to what I was saying to the Egyptian prime minister, I did state clearly and I said it again and in more detail the next morning," she continued. "As did the president. I'm sorry that it doesn't fit your narrative, congressman. I can only tell you what the facts were." (Emphasis is mine.)

    Game. Set. Match.


    Honestly (none / 0) (#114)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:34:51 PM EST
    what a bunch of gullible people.

    Yea (none / 0) (#121)
    by ragebot on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:04:15 PM EST
    there really are gullible people who post incorrectly on the internet and then try and deflect when their homies point out to them they are wrong.

    But my point was more along the lines of Cummings trying to use a point of parliamentary procedure to get a vote on releasing Sid's testimony.

    Not sure who is in the right on this but I do know that Robert's Rules are a kinda standard for conducting a meeting (also know other rules can and are used) but just not sure what rules are used in this hearing.

    I also know it is usually a sign of weakness to resort to a point of order in a hearing.  Rather the lawyers ditty that if the facts are on your side you pound the facts, if the law is on your side you pound the law, but if neither are on your side you pound the table.


    The truth (5.00 / 2) (#124)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:13:51 PM EST
    is Cummings has been asking for that testimony to be released for literally months and Gowdy refuses. The Republicans would not call in a parliamentarian because they do not want it to be released apparently. Gowdy completely lost it over this issue.

    Yep, it's been months (none / 0) (#126)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:16:21 PM EST
    That's true (5.00 / 2) (#125)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:14:19 PM EST
    In this case, however, the FACTS are that Gowdy is an idiot and can't put forth his witch hunt the way he wants because by releasing Blumenthal's testimony, it woukd prove that these hearings ate a political farce.

    In this scenario, it is Gowdy who has "beating the table".


    Then I would suggest that ... (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:33:06 PM EST
    ragebot: "I also know it is usually a sign of weakness to resort to a point of order in a hearing.  Rather the lawyers ditty that if the facts are on your side you pound the facts, if the law is on your side you pound the law, but if neither are on your side you pound the table."

    ... you and your BFFs on the right quit pounding the table, and educate yourselves by reading Kurt Eichenwald's remarkably detailed summary of the entire phony scandal that's Benghazi!!! and its equally ginned-up cousin, E-Ghazi!!!

    "The historical significance of this moment can hardly be overstated, and it seems many Republicans, Democrats and members of the media don't fully understand the magnitude of what is taking place. The awesome power of government -- one that allows officials to pore through almost anything they demand and compel anyone to talk or suffer the shame of taking the Fifth Amendment -- has been unleashed for purely political purposes. It is impossible to review what the Benghazi committee has done as anything other than taxpayer-funded political research of the opposing party's leading candidate for president. Comparisons from America's past are rare. Richard Nixon's attempts to use the IRS to investigate his perceived enemies come to mind. So does Senator Joseph McCarthy's red-baiting during the 1950s, with reckless accusations of treason leveled at members of the State Department, military generals and even the secretary of the Army. But the modern McCarthys of the Benghazi committee cannot perform this political theater on their own -- they depend on reporters to aid in the attempts to use government for the purpose of destroying others with bogus 'scoops' ladled out by members of Congress and their staffs. These journalists will almost certainly join the legions of shamed reporters of the McCarthy era as it becomes increasingly clear they are enablers of an obscene attempt to undermine the electoral process." (Emphasis is mine.)



    Donald (none / 0) (#143)
    by ragebot on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:24:39 PM EST
    I understand you are a very partisan person who is almost never in agreement with my views.

    What you don't seem to understand is that most of what you post is often stuff I am aware of.  You also seem oblivious or unaware of anything that negatively reflects on your positions.

    I could post tons of links negatively describing Obama, Clinton, and the rest of the folks you strongly support.  The reason I don't is because I doubt anything would change your opinion about them.

    The point I was trying to make about Cummings raising parliamentary points was that it was pointless.  As the final vote proved all Cummings did was waste time.  There was never any doubt if a vote was taken Sid's testimony would not be released.

    What the hearing has established is that Sid was a key player for Clinton, against the wishes of Obama, being paid by Clinton's foundation while Sid had business interests in a country where he was advocating a regime change; something Clinton went along with.  After that regime change Americans died in that country. This is what the committee is investigating.


    Huh ? (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 03:40:47 PM EST
    They are suppose to be investigating 4 deaths, not US foreign policy in Libya and what part of the Blumenthal played in that policy.

    The proof is they are using is her private emails, not her work emails, which do not include Blumenthal emails.  I think everything they predicted about republicans using her private emails is pretty much right, they are not interested in finding out the facts around those four deaths, only something they can pin on Hillary, which today seems like foreign policy in Libya.

    It's a fishing expedition or tossing stuff at a wall, whatever you want to call it, it is most certainly not an investigation into the deaths of four people in Benghazi.  I know you know and understand this, you said as much, and I think Donald is frustrated at the fact that an entire party doesn't want to call this what it obviously is, a bunch of BS.

    I would also remind you that the vote was along party lines.  If the Blumenthal connection is so key to Benghazi, why did only republicans vote to not release it.  We all know, so no need to answer.


    The GOP (none / 0) (#161)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 03:52:58 PM EST
    is now assigning super powers to Sid Blumenthal. Apparently he can run foreign policy out of his email account. So not only is Hillary part of Gowdy's conspiracy theory so is Obama, Rice, the CIA, DOD and the entire state department. It's just bizarre and scary how far down the rabbit hole these guys have fallen.

    ragebot: "What the hearing has established is that Sid was a key player for Clinton, against the wishes of Obama[.]"

    In fact, NBC's Andrea Mitchell, who's been all over this story from the beginning, pointedly challenged GOP Rep. Mike Pompeo's veracity to that effect last Sunday on NBC's Meet the Press, telling him to his face -- twice, no less -- that his assertion about Sidney Blumenthal being a key player was "factually incorrect."

    And today, heedless of that admonition, Pompeo doubled down on stupid. It's hardly a secret that Blumenthal and the Clintons have long been close friends. That she may have occasionally talked some shop with him doesn't therefore make him a "key player" in U.S. foreign policy, except perhaps in your own frenzied and fevered imagination.

    And honestly, what's with the "Sid" references? I hardly think you know any of these people well enough to be on a first-name basis with them. And you certainly don't know anywhere near enough about this issue to be talking in such condescending terms about anyone who's even remotely affiliated with this story, like Blumenthal.



    Adam (none / 0) (#185)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 05:55:11 PM EST
    Schiff took the whole Blumenthal fantasy down by using the facts from Blumenthal's deposition where Gowdy only asked Blumenthal 20 questions about Benghazi. There is a reason they voted not to release his testimony. OMG these people are so incredibly stupid I don't know whether to laugh or cry. We as a country are never going to move forward with these people in congress. Inbred Banjo boy from Deliverance is exactly who we have running congress these days.

    I think this ... (none / 0) (#191)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 06:48:30 PM EST
    ... just about sums up today's proceedings from Mrs. Clinton's standpoint.

    No (none / 0) (#149)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:35:17 PM EST
    it did not establish any of those facts but that is apparently the new conspiracy theory the GOP is going to shop since all the others have been proven to be bunk. Seriously since Gowdy won't release Blumenthal's testimony this is only going to be another exercise in fleecing the rubes.

    So the GOP is going to posit that Sid Blumenthal was running foreign policy for the Obama Administration? Do you realize how laughable that is? Seriously the GOP is begging to be laughed at. You know you only can shop conspiracy theories for so long before people are going to think you need to be consigned to a mental institution.


    I think only Cheryl Mills' testimony (none / 0) (#115)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:36:40 PM EST
    has been released, not Blumenthal's or Abedin's. I think this because in the hearing just now Cummings was demanding that Blumenthal's testimony be released, which he would not do if it was already out there.

    Okay. (none / 0) (#118)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:53:42 PM EST
    They've called on Gowdy numerous times to release Blumenthal's testimony but Gowdy does not want to release it. However if you read the summary Cummings has up on the website there is a reason for that. Gowdy asks very few questions regarding Benghazi because of course Blumenthal doesn't have any knowledge there. So Gowdy asks all kinds of questions about the Clinton Foundation. So obviously a fishing expedition.

    The GOP (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:34:05 PM EST
    does not want those released even though they've already been released by Cummings because they make Gowdy look like a stupid d*ck that ask the same meaning of a word over and over until Blumenthal's lawyer finally calls him down.

    If Sid's testimony was released (none / 0) (#117)
    by ragebot on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:52:31 PM EST
    does anyone have a link to it.

    Casey (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 12:55:02 PM EST
    correct me and told me it has not been. Just a synopsis and it's not pretty for Gowdy. Cummings has being calling on Gowdy for months to release the transcript and Gowdy refuses. It's particularly ugly for the GOP and especially Gowdy apparently and that's why he won't release it.

    Committie votes (none / 0) (#128)
    by ragebot on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:22:43 PM EST
    to not release Sid's testimony.

    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:47:07 PM EST
    told ya. Gowdy doesn't not want it released. Blumenthal should go on TV now and start spilling the beans about what Gowdy asked him.

    This whole farce is done.


    Not surprising (none / 0) (#130)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:27:02 PM EST
    They don't want to look any worse than they already have.

    Actually (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:42:44 PM EST
    It's hard to imagine how that would be possible.   Just watched CaptGowdy do this ridiculously long wind up to his killer question about Sids access compared to the ambassadors and Hillary knocked it right out of the park.

    The look on his face was that of impacted constipation.


    Waiting for the questions on (none / 0) (#131)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:29:07 PM EST

    After all, if it's just about national security. Then this committee should be investigating these too.


    China awards it's Confucious peace prize (none / 0) (#123)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:12:32 PM EST
    To President Mugabe of Zimbabwe.

    Yea, I know the Nobel peace prize is also hogwash.  But dear lord.


    Previous recipients include Fidel Castro and Vladmir Putin.  I think this one still manages to take the top prize for ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME.

    That whirring sound (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:20:34 PM EST
    Is Confucius spinning n his crypt.

    To paraphrase the philosopher... (none / 0) (#134)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:45:57 PM EST
    Kenny Powers...Biden's f*ckin' out, Mets are f*ckin' in.  That's what I call a win/win.

    If there is a cabinet position for mutant superpowers, I nominate NLCS MVP Daniel Murphy.  

    Former Cubs fan/Turncoat Yankee fan Hillary Clinton...don't even think about getting on this bandwagon! ;)  

    Tried and true Cubs fans, welcome aboard the Mets Express.  There is but one true baseball league, and it is the National League. #F*ckTheDH

    I could maybe have gotten on board (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:12:53 PM EST
    If the Cubs had won.

    You'll never see me rooting for a NY sports team.  Unless they are needed to beat a team for Boston to advance in some kind of wild-card race or something.  That's the only circumstance where it's acceptable to root for NY, or, possibly, when they are playing against that other NY team I hate more.

    Also - AL FOR LIFE.


    Wouldn't It Be a Hoot... (none / 0) (#142)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:21:15 PM EST
    ...if you got transferred to NYC for your job ?  Something so good you couldn't take a pass...

    Ah (none / 0) (#145)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:25:55 PM EST
    It's easier than ever to live in one place and remain loyal to your teams.  MLB.com, cable packages, bars that show your football team.  I still follow my Detroit (and college) teams and the BF still follows his NY teams - all from Northern Virginia.  :)

    I actually like NYC (none / 0) (#147)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:32:18 PM EST
    I have a lot of friends there, who I enjoy fighting with over sports.  And I've left the northeast enough to know that in a lot of ways NYers are kindred spirits of sorts.  But hating their sports teams is just a part of that weird bond.

    That being said - I already took a job I couldn't refuse, back in Boston.  On a non financial level I would've been more than happy to stay on my little island that I marooned myself on for a while (it wasn't Manhattan).  Pretty much the only kind of job I wouldn't be able to refuse these days is the kind that would send me out into the woods somewhere - like park ranger - but also pays well.  I'm not really looking to get deeper into the rat race.

    OK, maaaaybe ambassador to the UN or something (you listening Hillary???)


    No, No, No... (none / 0) (#162)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 03:56:56 PM EST
    ...I am talking about being dropped into a place where all that is on is NY sports teams.  Not friendly fighting, just all out saturation of NY sports and the fans, all the time.

    I live in a city far from my green and gold, but they are in no way sports rivals.  It would drive me bananas to live in Chicago.


    I'll have you know that ... (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 05:50:32 PM EST
    ... my cousin and her husband -- who's from Green Bay -- defiantly fly their green and gold Packers banner in full view of their entire suburban neighborhood in Palatine, IL. I think they drive everyone else bananas, particularly this season with the Packers still undefeated, while the Bears are gasping for air.

    Oh, (none / 0) (#171)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 05:01:54 PM EST
    I moved from College Station to Austin for a year, so I get that part ...

    After all the times... (none / 0) (#146)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:30:20 PM EST
    Mets fans rooted for the Sox to beat them damn Yankess, this is how you do us?

    That's allright, it's getting crowded on the bandwagon anyway...SRO.

    Just know if the Pats beat the Jets this weekend, no one here will give a sh&t...football/hockey'basketball season doesn't start until baseball season ends;)


    I'm just saying (none / 0) (#148)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:34:37 PM EST
    You brought up the football game first - but you say you don't care... uhuh...

    I already clarified that I'd root for the less evil NY team vs. the more evil NY team.  But you don't get any more exceptions than the ones listed above.


    We don't care now... (none / 0) (#151)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:44:47 PM EST
    after the World Series, we might rue a division loss to the NFL version of the Yankees;)

    I'm just enjoying the fact (none / 0) (#152)
    by CST on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:45:40 PM EST
    That you already assume you'll lose.

    We'd have a better chance... (none / 0) (#154)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:53:38 PM EST
    if Cespedes suited up to play TE, and put Thor at QB.

    WTF???!!! (none / 0) (#150)
    by vicndabx on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:40:47 PM EST
    Mets fans rooted for the Sox to beat them damn Yankess

    I will surely be supporting the Mets in lieu of my Bronx Bombers.

    Sellin' out your own city?!  :-)


    Damn straight Vic... (none / 0) (#153)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:47:17 PM EST
    baseball and hockey are different than football or basketball, for some reason.

    I don't dislike the Giants or Nets, but boy do I sports-hate me some Yankees and Rangers.  


    Purportedly some. Yankee fans are (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 07:09:21 PM EST
    now late-to-the party Mets fans.

    heh (none / 0) (#155)
    by vicndabx on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 03:04:43 PM EST
    I hear ya

    I'm on board kdog (sob) (none / 0) (#138)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:02:19 PM EST
    Funny story...last night I took a quick power nap before the game started, knowing I was too tired to make it to the end...woke up in the commercial time between the top and bottom of the 1st. Talk about a literal rude awakening!

    Congrats! Well played, and all that. Good sportsmanship by your fans at Wrigley too, from what they showed on TV.

    Yep, let's cause some pain in KC.


    Well... (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:18:55 PM EST
    I thought I must have dozed off and was dreaming for the top of the first...mired in an awful slump, Lucas "All the" Duda "Day" wakes up with a 3 run moonshot, and Travis "The Master Framer" d'Arnaud makes it a back to back.  Sucked the air outta Wrigley like President Skroob and Dark Helmet sucked the air outta Druidia.

    When Murphy got up in the 8th, my whole viewing party just knew he would not go the Series without another round-tripper and the MLB record for consecutive postseason games with a dinger. Never a doubt.

    But the best part for me had to be old man river Bartolo Colon getting the win...comes in looking like he's pitching a Spring Training game, cooler than a polar bear's toenails.  How I love that man...how I love this team!

    4 more!


    I also was sure Murph was going to send that one (none / 0) (#164)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 04:13:13 PM EST
    out of there in the 8th. Had to happen.

    Did Colon start? Who was that old guy they put in late in the game? My reaction was, hey, if you are going to beat us, put back in the cute young pitchers - give me something.


    Ah kdog (none / 0) (#139)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 02:08:33 PM EST
    I'm on board with the Mets in the Series, but I got part ways with on the DH.  And since the AL will be the home team, you just have to suck it up.



    I am on board also, kdog, although (none / 0) (#176)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 05:14:33 PM EST

    Last night was a hard game  to watch. I kept leaving the TV to fold laundry, clean the bathroom, etc. Anything to not witness the carnage.

    Still, I must say, GO, METS!


    This prettyuch days it all (none / 0) (#136)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:56:38 PM EST
    FYI: NPR is live blogging (none / 0) (#137)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 01:58:05 PM EST
    today's hearing.

    Here's a visual for you (none / 0) (#156)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 03:21:39 PM EST
    oh, good lord (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 03:26:35 PM EST
    Huckabee is an idiot but he's in good company after seeing the spittle flecked Republicans on that Benghazi committee.

    Responses (none / 0) (#157)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 03:25:18 PM EST
    Are funny

    Can a Socialist be elected President? (none / 0) (#163)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 04:00:29 PM EST
    Yes?  Ok.  How about an atheist Socialist?

      Bernie Sanders dodges question about belief in God

    Now, I'm not saying Bernie is an atheist.  I am saying that's exactly how I, in his position, would answer that question.

    It was a pretty good dodge, but (5.00 / 2) (#175)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 05:11:46 PM EST
    it is not the last he will hear about it.  Senator Sanders also needs to work on explaining or defining "democratic socialist."  It seems, for what I can gather, that Senator Sanders is not a socialist.  He is not advocating the nationalization of industry--the steel mills, auto manufacturers, pharmaceutical industry, or even the banks.  And, of course, it is not central planning or Sovietskyism.

    Senator Sanders appears to be a more liberal democrat than most, supporting a combination of private enterprise and public spending. I see it as turning the knobs further to the left in adjusting policies intended to correct and enhance democratic capitalism. It is the balance that he addresses and that should be his focus.

      I am not sure why Senator Sanders needs to label himself with a different and needlessly confusing political ideology. As a presidential candidate it only seems to detract from his ideas and programs and provide ammunition to Republicans.  


    Ever (none / 0) (#166)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 04:33:59 PM EST
    since Bush stated "Jesus is my favorite philosopher" the press has been on this question. Do you remember that ridiculous forum back in 2008 where Hillary, Obama and John Edwards had to explain their faith to the masses?

    Anyway he did a good job but sometimes I wish a candidate would just say STFU with those questions. I am a Christian and I would like very much not to have to discuss religion if I were a candidate.


    I will (5.00 / 3) (#173)
    by lentinel on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 05:07:29 PM EST
    remember that moment as an epic fail for the media - and for the American people - because there was no follow-up to this bit of malarkey by the Bushster.

    I would have loved to see W., that flim-flam bs artist, asked to answer a follow-up question about which of Jesus's philosophies he likes the best. The one about the poor inheriting the Earth? That "turn the other cheek" thing? The one about not worshiping in public?


    That's fine (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 04:37:12 PM EST
    The country is not going to agree with you.  I'm an atheist.   I don't think it should EVER be asked.

    In fact, it will.  In fact, the attack ads for a atheist socialist write themselves.


    Oh, I know (none / 0) (#169)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 04:41:07 PM EST
    a lot of people seem to have this religious litmus test which I do not.

    Is it just me (none / 0) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 04:38:15 PM EST
    Or is Hillary giving Mr "yes or no answer" really long winded answers?

    I love it.

    I'm guessing the (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 04:42:15 PM EST
    meltdowns are worse. I quit watching but the GOP just seemed to get worse and worse as the day went on.

    Hillary could (none / 0) (#172)
    by lentinel on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 05:02:13 PM EST
    offer Joe a job working as a prison guard.

    Who is this Roby woman??? (none / 0) (#188)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 06:24:06 PM EST
    She is trying soooio hard for a gotcha....

    She's from (none / 0) (#189)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 06:38:34 PM EST
    Alabama and she makes Alabama look like a state full of morons. She's also the one who didn't realize you can conduct business in other ways than email.

    And she should wash her hair (5.00 / 2) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 06:40:52 PM EST

    How long do they plan to do this (none / 0) (#196)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 06:55:42 PM EST
    I wonder.  We are at 10 hours.

    I don't know (none / 0) (#197)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 06:57:44 PM EST
    but they have asked every question under the sun I mean personal questions, email questions. The same questions over and over again.

    I think Westmoreland is wrong about (none / 0) (#198)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 06:59:23 PM EST
    Colin Powell's personal email account being on the State Dept. server. His email would have been on the server of AOL or gmail or whomever he used. If he had used State Dept. server then the State Dept. would have had all his emails and not needed to ask him to provide them, which he could not do because Powell erased the emails.

    These people do not appear to even know the most basic of facts about emil, the internet, technology or even how government works.

    I despair for the future of the nation.

    Yes (5.00 / 2) (#200)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 07:05:16 PM EST
    Powell used AOL. There is no way his emails would have been preserved unless he corresponded with someone at state.

    Yes, this is what I said above. There is no hope for our country unless we get these stupid morons out of office. They don't even understand the most basic of things like how the state department even operates. They don't understand FOIA requests. They don't understand jack and they need to removed from government on the basis of incompetence.


    I have to stop watching or I (none / 0) (#202)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 07:07:56 PM EST
    will throw this iPad out the window. These people are too stupid to be in positions with any power at all.

    This is a sad sad commentary on the state of Congress.


    It is (none / 0) (#205)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 07:18:16 PM EST
    very unfortunate that we are being governed by a band of morons.

    I (none / 0) (#199)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 07:04:44 PM EST
    think he had a couple of snorts of Bourbon at break.  It's weird they are all providing these
    "theories" of what Hillary was doing or saying.

    These people (5.00 / 2) (#201)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2015 at 07:06:25 PM EST
    are just freaking bizarre and creepy.