Biden Still Considering a Run

Just say no, Joe. (more here.)

Joe Biden has been the nation's #1 crime-warrior and police supporter for his entire career, authoring or shepherding through Congress almost every bad crime bill of the last 25 years.

He will be 76 years old when he takes office, should he be elected, meaning in all probability, he'd be a one term president, putting the Democrats at greater risk in 2020. He's also politically tone-deaf, which is why his prior campaigns never took off.

I wouldn't vote for Joe Biden any more than I'd vote for Rudy Giuliani. He's tried twice before. If anyone should understand "three strikes you're out", it's Biden. He should retire and write his memoirs.

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    Biden. His Time? (5.00 / 6) (#1)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 07:17:15 PM EST
    I write the headlines so the NY Post doesn't have to.

    Speculation is (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by ragebot on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 07:24:59 PM EST
    Biden is viewed by some Democrats as a better option than Bernie in the event lighting strikes and Hillary is forced out of the race by events.  On 60 minutes she was basically laughing at the question about her email mess even to the extent that the questioner had to remind her the FBI does not think it is funny.

    There are a lot more emails still to be released and it is not clear what is in them.  As a bridge player I view Biden's possible run as what is called a safety play.  Hillary is still the favorite, but it is a wise policy to never say never.

    There is nothing (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 07:28:04 PM EST
    in those emails. You can continue to hope but it's only keeping the GOP from actually forming some kind of coherent governing philosophy.

    And now people like you have been treated like fools by the wingnut welfare brigade who was falsifying information to feed to you guys. If the GOP had any sense they would run Gowdy out of town on rails but they don't. So they're going to continue to enable his BS because it makes them feel better.


    If the head of the CIA is using AOL (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 05:59:55 AM EST
    The stories say the head of the CIA and Homeland Security had their personal email accounts hacked. I didn't even realize people were still using AOL. So, is the GOP going to open up even more panels to go through the emails of these top guys. Let's see, $4.5 here and then twice more, ah, $13.5 mil that could be used for so many needed things in the USA. I know, won't happen, but I bet all those DC people who have kept so quiet on this issue will keep sweating in their pants as they delete delete and delete. Only Hillary used a private email account. Amazing.  

    And Joe has been so late in joining the group as he gets rid of his baggage also.


    Fear Not.. (none / 0) (#41)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 09:28:01 AM EST
    (CNN)The FBI and Secret Service are investigating reports that non-government personal accounts associated with CIA Director John Brennan as well as Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson were hacked, law enforcement officials told CNN.

    And what was compromised, infinately more than HRC.

    Some of the documents reportedly obtained from the private email account go back prior to Brennan's White House service as President Obama's top counter-terrorism adviser on the National Security Council.

    The documents may include his previous tenure at the CIA, when Brennan led the National Counter-Terrorism Center.

    Brennan has been active in the intelligence community for most of his career, except for three years spent working in private industry from 2005 to 2008.

    In the interview with the New York Post, the hacker also claimed to have broken into the Comcast account of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson and that he listened to Johnson's voicemails.


    But republicans have poll numbers to worry about so I wouldn't think they are going to focus on anything that doesn't benefit them personally.


    You don't know this (none / 0) (#77)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 02:24:25 PM EST
    And what was compromised, infinately more than HRC.

    Yes I Do... (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 04:10:39 PM EST
    ...right now we now we know, you are the one making predictions into the future.  I am stating facts as we know them today, you are guessing, or at this point I would think is more hope than guess.

    Biden (none / 0) (#15)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 08:45:22 PM EST
    Is and always was viewed as a insurance policy, that is why some Democrats want him announced and a candidate.
    Although recent reports of the Obama Administrations distaste for anything Clinton, and many Obama Administration staffers love of Biden could also be driving the Biden talk.

    The Biden (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 08:48:28 PM EST
    talk is being driven by the Draft Biden movement. They are the ones constantly "leaking" to the press.

    ... other than the malicious gossip and outright lies that you're fed on a daily basis by Fox News blondes and blowhards and the AM squawk radio crackpots. These people are hardly in the know about what's going on inside the White House, so please don't embarrass yourself any further by continuing to speculate without foundation.

    Oh (none / 0) (#28)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 05:45:29 AM EST
    Lol, your reflexive Pavlovian defense is funny, and sad.
    Just look back at comments from Axelrod and Jarrett about Clinton, there is no love lost there.
    Those comments , and the thread that Biden is loved within the Obama Administration is from the print media.
    Anyone whose stewardship of the State Department has evolved into their main job being cleaning up her mess, no, she would not be loved by the Administration.
    Both Obama and Jarrett have stated what she did was wrong, against Obama Administration policy, and not approved. When Jake Tapper asked Clinton who approved her server, nothing but crickets, she approved it!
    This is all in the national news, the boogeyman of Fox News is too funny, there is no monster under the bed, it is the national news media.

    Oh! (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 10:05:11 AM EST
    "The National News Media"

    That completely different.

    Funny thing.
    I just listened to Hugh Hewitt along with the Mourning Joe peanut gallery solemnly making the case that Harper's loss in Canada yesterday was very bad for those with old political names or who have been around too long.  This means biiiiiig trouble for Not only Jeb but also Hillary.

    Seriously.  They talked about it for a long time.  

    Apparently none of them noticed that the person who replaced Harper was named Trudeau.  A guy who was born while his father was PM.

    It was really quite funny.


    I swear (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 10:11:46 AM EST
    to the Flying Spaghetti Monster Pee Wee Herman would make a better pundit then these guys.

    And (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 10:17:34 AM EST
    They get paid for it.

    We are in the wrong business


    funny.. (none / 0) (#78)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 03:30:32 PM EST
    and Hugh Hewitt is supposed to be one of the smart, insightful conservatives.

    FlASH GORDON (none / 0) (#176)
    by BarnBabe on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 01:51:28 PM EST
    Hey Capt, Monday's thread was closed so I could not get to reply to our Star War movie talks, so sorry, had to use this one. Did you ever see the Flash Gordon serials? My brother use to get to see those and he bought me a gift set one Christmas. It was really cool and a prelude to Star Wars. I would have to look up what decade they covered, I am thinking 40's. But fun to see never the less.

    And Ming... (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by christinep on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 01:58:56 PM EST
    My sister & I watched the series every Saturday afternoon when we were kids. At the time, we asked Dad--as we all sat around watching the evil Ming and the equally evil woman sidekick (whose name escapes me) take on the good Buster Crabbe--when the episodes were made.  He thought that the fun-family-viewing dated from the early 40s.

    Ming, he was great (none / 0) (#191)
    by BarnBabe on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 07:16:36 PM EST
    The gift set is a nice memory I have. My brother also got me the first 3 Hardy Boys books. I loved those guys.

    Not That You Care... (none / 0) (#48)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 10:41:49 AM EST
    ...but on the TV today, NBC has a poll, 38% of D's don't want him to run, 30% want him to run, and 31% for some reason, have no opinion on the matter.

    In the same link:

    She's ahead of Bernie Sanders by 20 points, 49%-29%, with Biden in third at 15%. Last month, Clinton's lead over Sanders was just seven points, 42%-35%, with Biden at 17%. And without Biden in the race, Hillary's ahead by 25 points in the new NBC/WSJ poll, 58%-33%.

    I would say that 58% pretty much says all there needs to be said about Biden.  


    I would never (5.00 / 6) (#7)
    by lentinel on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 07:41:21 PM EST
    vote for Biden.


    However, there should be no association between this malevolent relic, Biden, and my father's marvelous Oldsmobile.

    It is really unfair to the Oldsmobile.

    Hear hear (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 09:04:03 PM EST
    My father taught me to drive in early 70's in a 69 cutlass s. I have fond memories of that car.

    Argh...I can't stand it. (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 08:03:58 PM EST
    Biden's time - if he ever had a time - is over; the window has closed.  If he insists on forcing himself into this race, he's going to lose the opportunity to write the coda he wants for his political career.

    He's just not the right guy for the time, and much of it is that his ideas are old, tired and lacking real vision.  Not to mention he's way too authoritarian, inauthentic when it comes to issues of income inequality, and he's carrying plenty of baggage that the media will happily unpack for him.

    I hate how he's toyed with everyone, but can't he see that there is no groundswell of interest in a Biden candidacy?  

    Please, Joe - do yourself, your family, your party and the country a favor and find a gracious and low-key way to bow out of this.

    I saw Joe on the news tonight (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by caseyOR on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 08:10:45 PM EST
    talking about how he does not hate the rich. He does not think the uber-wealthy should be blamed for inequality or really anything. A shot at Bernie, maybe? Or Hillary? or Both?

    Also, apparently, the firefighters' union said they would endorse him.


    He's (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 08:23:50 PM EST
    not even running and he's already getting two minutes on TV and making cringe worthy statements.

    E.L. Doctorow nailed the firefighters (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by Peter G on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 09:02:26 PM EST
    in "Ragtime."

    So did Milos Forman ... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 04:54:59 AM EST
    ... in the 1981 movie version of Doctorow's novel. The great James Cagney came out of retirement to play the ruthless New York Police Commissioner Rhinelander Waldo.

    He has a history of (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 06:17:26 AM EST
    Being the bankers BFF.

    In the past 20 years, MBNA has been Biden's single largest contributor. And as the New York Times and Wall Street Journal note, Biden's son Hunter was hired out of law school by MBNA and later worked as a lobbyist for the company.

    The Times also details just how helpful Biden has been to MBNA and the credit card industry. The senator was a key supporter of an industry-favorite bill--the "Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005"--that actually made it harder for consumers to get protection under bankruptcy.Link

    You Forgot... (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 10:46:54 AM EST
    ...he also stated how much he liked republicans, which was without a doubt a shot at HRC's enemy list from the debate.

    Go home Joe, you are only being groomed because the media needs a fluffer.


    Open mouth - insert foot (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 06:42:48 PM EST
    Then do the walk back shuffle.

    The vice president also displayed his well-known tendency to speak his mind. When the conversation turned to former Vice President Dick Cheney, who is almost universally reviled among Democrats, Biden said he viewed him favorably.

    "I actually like Dick Cheney, for real," he said. "I think he's a decent man."

    But after Mondale pushed back, arguing that Cheney had taken the vice presidency to the "dark side," Biden quickly walked back his remark, claiming there was "no similarity" between Cheney's record and his own.

    The whole (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 06:55:56 PM EST
    speech was nothing short of cringe inducing. This one outing should remind everybody why Biden didn't make it past Iowa twice.

    Anyone who thinks Cheney is (5.00 / 8) (#90)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 09:07:12 PM EST
    a decent man is completely lacking in judgement and should not be even considered for POTUS.

    if this statement does not cause people to walk back their support, then you have to question their sanity as well.


    There are (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 09:15:06 PM EST
    going to be people not walking back their support I would imagine because it seems nothing he does or says will make this small band of people quit pushing him.

    However, that one statement put in a political ad is enough to collapse his campaign.


    He'll say anything, apparently, (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 09:23:05 PM EST
    and it all seems so self-aggrandizing.  I keep expecting him to end every sentence with, "yeah...that's the ticket."

    When I read that he said he spends 4 to 7 hours a day with the president, I mean, what was that all about?  The SNL skits could write themselves.  Joe in the Oval with his Legos and Army men.  "Want a juice box, Joe?  I have to go meet with some people now - draw me a nice picture and when I get back, we'll put in on the fridge in the kitchen!"

    Sorry - that's mean.

    But, seriously: I have to seriously question the judgment of someone who could say that he regards Dick Cheney as a good man.  He is not a good man.  Okay, so he loves his wife and kids - pssssht.  But at the core of his character is something evil and rotten - it practically oozes out of his pores, so how Joe could overlook it, or not see it, is a mystery to me.

    He's going to be very sorry if he runs, because it isn't going to go well, not even a little.


    Your (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 09:29:05 PM EST
    statement about him being run over by Clinton and then getting hit by Bernie is 100 percent correct. Honestly if he gets in I'm thinking he's going to be dropping out after Iowa for the third time in a row.

    There was an article in the Daily Beast by Michael Tomasky where he said he has asked activists, party members and numbers of people if they all want Joe to run and the answer was a resounding no from everybody.


    Maybe (none / 0) (#94)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 09:38:15 PM EST
    He will announce tomorrow, the day before Hillary testifies before the Benghazi Committee, in the hopes of rattlinng her and then he can say, "See?  Here I am!". He couldn't announce right AFTER her testimony, if it were to go badly, because then he'd just look opportunistic.

    But he has just days before filing deadlines hit.  Can he get enough signatures to be on the ballot in states like Georgia?

    It also wouldn't surprise me if we found out that Obama supported Joe getting in the race.  I never bought the story that Obama and the Clintons kissed and made up after 2008, and if Obama could stick it to Hillary again, he would.


    Why would Obama do that? (none / 0) (#96)
    by MKS on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 10:11:23 PM EST
    He wants a Democrat to win.....to keep the Republicans from dismantling his legacy.....Sticking it to Hillary accomplishes nothing....

    Because he's petulant? (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 05:16:41 AM EST
    He didn't seem all that interested in getting other Democrats to win in the past and building the party.

    Anyway, he may want a Democrat to win, but if he get tweak the Clintons in the process, then why not?

    Hillary Clinton has the strongest chance of winning. Seems to me Obama would have had "the talk" with Joe along time ago about this dangling on for months and would have encouraged him to stop it.


    I'm not sure Clinton can be rattled. (none / 0) (#99)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 07:30:51 AM EST
    I do think she can possibly rattle Gowdy and others, who thought this was going to be their chance to deliver the death blow, and instead, McCarthy's big mouth and Gowdy's own ham-handed efforts to manipulate so-called evidence have put them in the position of playing from behind.

    I wish I had the time tomorrow to just sit back and watch what is likely to be good theater, but I don't think that's going to be possible.


    I Agree With Both... (none / 0) (#111)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 09:22:02 AM EST
    ...Biden is living in a bubble, where the folks are telling him has to run because only he can win.  And Obama has always had a mental defect when it comes to holding hands with republicans, which JB seems to want to continue.

    I think HRC's testimony is going to be the turning point that she never looks back from, they have screwed up to the point where they can't do any damage, even if she gets rattled.

    First there is McCarthy's revelation, then the debate, then Gowdy's manufacturing evidence, then Brennan gets his email hacked, and the cherry, the Speaker debacle.  HRC could not have planned for a better two weeks before she testifies, if she tried.  And the only people who care at this point sure as hell aren't voting D.

    Even if he enteres, all Joe would do is take some voters away until the point he collapses, then they will be right back supporting HRC.  Joe can't even figure out where he stands on the guy who pushed the Iraq War using bogus intelligence, who helped enact torture, and GITMO.  Never mind the other 1001 despicable things Cheney was behind like outing Plame to the Times and having a convicted felon as Chief of Staff.

    Reminds me of Crazy Joe Davola.  


    I gave my idea what this means (none / 0) (#112)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 09:36:47 AM EST
    And Obama has always had a mental defect when it comes to holding hands with republicans, which JB seems to want to continue.

    Sounds like nonsense to me.


    Sorry... (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 09:42:52 AM EST
    ...by JB I mean Joe Biden, my fault.

    But funny.


    All righty then (none / 0) (#129)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:16:47 AM EST
    or maybe (none / 0) (#130)
    by CST on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:17:56 AM EST
    You've been Joe Biden all along in disguise.

    You have said you live in the D.C. area...



    Ah, you'll never know for sure.....:) (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:21:10 AM EST
    Although if I start blog clogging, maybe you'll get suspicious that I have lots of time on my hands suddenly.....

    Although (none / 0) (#139)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:26:54 AM EST
    if Biden was reading this blog he would already be planning his retirement.

    I (none / 0) (#146)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:43:09 AM EST
    (Oops, I mean "Joe") can multitask.

    Besides, I (oops  again), rather " Joe" has people to do that.


    Goodness & gracious ... (none / 0) (#149)
    by christinep on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:52:31 AM EST
    Turns out that VP Joe Biden is being a good Democrat after all ... in acting for the greater good of unity and ultimate progress.  

    During the media (oft times, esp., the Repub oriented arms of the media, as in WSJ, Politico, & Fox) and other interest group driven campaign throughout the political doldrum months, I had my little private wish as well.  That is, wouldn't it be something if Biden let it play out for all sorts of purposes to a key point where he could add yet another plus for Hillary Clinton!  And, so he did.

    With today's formal announcement that he would not run, Joe Biden allows his legacy to grow in terms of senior party spokesperson.  In those areas where he can help at all levels of the general campaign, he would be a good envoy in the traditional working class areas.  Think Pennsylvania and Ohio. The timing of the announcement is so very fine.  Think about how the Repubs have been kicked in the gut by their inability to elect a House Speaker, by the reversals of their political Benghazii Inquisition, and by the trope of Joe.  They might even be reeling now.  

    Timing sure is everything....


    Methinks that is magical thinking (5.00 / 7) (#151)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:59:12 AM EST
    on your part, christine. None of this was about Joe helping the Democrats or HRC. All of it was about a cranky old man's ego. And I suspect today's announcement, coming as it does so quickly on the heels of Joe's verbal lovefest for Republicans and Dick Cheney, and his being caught in yet another fabrication, this one about his support or lack thereof for the operation to capture and kill bin Laden, was forced on Joe by Obama and others in the party.

    Joe took his last 15 minutes and pushed too far.


    That's what (5.00 / 2) (#160)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:34:50 PM EST
    I think too. Yesterday was just a bridge too far for almost everybody in the party.

    IMO Biden (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:55:16 PM EST
    jumped the shark with his comment about Cheney. Dark Vader left office with a 13% approval rating. There weren't even a whole lot of Republicans who approved of him let alone Democratic voters.

    Also, I don't know of any Democratic voters who want to sing kumbaya with the horsesh!t crazies on the other side of the aisle in D.C. There might be some but I don't know any. They have gone too far for even my moderate and conservative Dem acquaintances.


    In this case, the motive or intent (none / 0) (#166)
    by christinep on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:50:57 PM EST
    as to how Biden got to the announcement today really, really doesn't matter.  IMO, the odds favor mixed motives (with her debate performance, resurgence in all the polls, Biden's own background compared to where the Dems are today (coupled with this quixotic quotes of late.)

    Since so much of this media-ratcheted drama has been allowed to play out, it needed an ending.  The concluding decision is the ending that most active Dems have been wanting ... and, it has very satisfactory feel.  That being said, I would only add that my 40 active political years have seen a lot of such drama and other engaging theatre.  

    So, no, I don't really daydream; I work the political ropes; and, sometimes it gives one pause and other times it works out.  This time--and the key timing--is one of those times when it aligns in the best possible way for the candidate that I support. In this interval that we get to savor before the next artificial political crisis, my focus will quickly turn to the organizational process for the Colorado caucuses in March.  While moving to that specific task focus, I'm mindful that the challenge presented by a day-long hearing before the Benghazii Inquisition Panel tomorrow remains a major hurdle and the matter of results/expectations will not become clear until it is over.  

    The real and the perceived can and do mingle in national politics.  We all have our thoughts about what really happened ... and, maybe some day, someone will pen a play about a powerful man in politics and the tugs of political power versus personal grief.  For me, again, I'm more than ready to move forward in this election's process.


    I don't get the impression that he is (5.00 / 4) (#155)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:12:02 PM EST
    doing this for Hillary, or for the party - I think he is doing it because someone finally read him the riot act and let him know that it was time to end this exercise in vanity and ego.

    Senior party spokesperson?  Not a good job for him, especially not on the basis of his remarks in the last couple of days.  I think he cemented the impression that neither his mouth nor his motives can be trusted.

    I think it ends up being a plus for Clinton, but I don't think that's why Joe bowed out - based on his comments recently, I can't imagine he'd do anything for her benefit.  


    It worked on me (none / 0) (#95)
    by MKS on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 10:09:22 PM EST
    I thought that maybe Joe would be okay......Not after that statement about Cheney....

    Nailed it! (none / 0) (#47)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 10:38:08 AM EST
    Biden isn't (5.00 / 7) (#40)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 08:29:15 AM EST
    your father's Oldsmobile, Biden is your father's Edsel.
    Just as the Edsel was known as "the wrong car at the wrong time," Biden is the wrong person at the wrong time.

    lol. I'd go further. He's a Yugo. (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 11:23:11 AM EST
    CNN (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 10:52:10 AM EST
    Is Reporting Webb is dropping out There's a whopping 1% Biden can claim.

    Dropping Out, Not So... (none / 0) (#53)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 11:01:02 AM EST
    ...he going Independent.  In reality probably no difference, but he is not dropping out of the race.

    He won't be an indepedent (none / 0) (#55)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 11:08:53 AM EST
    If so he would announce as such. He won't go any further than saying he's weighing his options, which is standard polticalspeak for I got my a$$ kicked and not sure what to do next.

    There is no good reason (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 10:56:55 AM EST
    for the vice president to enter the Democratic primary. The primary offers two good candidates, Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton, each with sufficient, but not completely indistinquishable contrast. Unique, but a commonness.

     Biden's candidacy adds little and, potentially, subtracts from both Sanders and Clinton--not just in slices of primary voters, but also, the capabilities for clear and distinct contrasts.  The campaigns of Clinton and Sanders have, so far, been civil in discourse and free of personal attacks, making for a stronger primary winner against the Republican du jour.

    I would like to think that Biden is too good a Democrat to in anyway undermine the dynamics in play.  It may well be that my prediction will be as wrong as the WaPo article, but my intuition is that it will be a go for Joe. The dreams of the presidency are too much a part of him. Being vice president has made his dream life-like to him, bolstered by a few kind words from unnamed sources.  

    "no good reason, too good a democrat" (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 11:30:53 AM EST
    You're beginning with the wrong premises.  This isn't about the greater good of anyone but the politician "himself."  These are giant freak'n egos.

    If Joe really wants to give it a Go, then (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by christinep on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 06:23:13 PM EST
    the words of a key Democrat--Cong. James Clyburn, S.Carolina--should be heeded. That is: Stay available ... don't enter now because it won't help anyone (including Biden)... but, if you are really of the mind to try, just be available in the event something unforeseen happens.

    My husband has cautioned from the beginning that Biden aches for the Presidency ... even as I said that there is no avenue, no real constituency, etc. Husband tended to agree with me after the debate and after HRC boxed him in on TPP.  The several polls today--WashPo/ABC, WSJ/NBC, Reuters, Morning Consult show HRC increasing an already substantial lead nationally AND, in New Hampshire, PPP confirms that the past month has seen HRC recapture the lead--work against any pretense by anyone that HRC doing anything other than consolidating her lead.  (Clearly, now, the testimony before the Benghaziii Inquisition Panel this Thursday is quite important; and, on Saturday, the signature Iowa JJ Dinner speech is exceptionally significant as well.)

    If all continues to go well for HRC over the next week, Joe Biden has a real justification problem for the late entry and heretofore opportunistic timing.  For me and others that I know--if the trajectory for HRC remains positive in the coming days--Joe Biden's solo at this point may well be regarded as an attempt to upend a singularly accomplished Democratic woman who is the first woman in a major party to possess the experience, know-how to work her way to this position.  It would be very ugly in the organizational trenches--IMO--if it came to that in a party that has so frequently condemned the Repubs' War on Women.  So ... that is why I believe that a confluence of factors will prevail and that Joe Biden will move to the role of senior statesman in the coming year+.


    Just saw a sound bite from Biden (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 11:05:38 AM EST
    I hate to think so but he might really do it.

    I still can't believe it but clearly he thinks he's the guy.


    You know how, when you're driving out (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 12:29:27 PM EST
    in the country at dusk, or early in the morning, you have to be mindful of the deer, because chances are, if there's one on the side of the road as you approach, it will invariably jump into the road, toward danger?

    That's Joe.  

    If he jumps, he's going to get hit by the Mack truck that is Clinton, followed by the secondary hit from Sanders, and then media will happily back up their truck to pulverize what's left of him.

    It will be a disaster.


    NYT reports staffers are interviewing for (none / 0) (#64)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 12:32:23 PM EST
    field offices.

    Good short-term work if you can get it (none / 0) (#69)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 01:19:18 PM EST
    And better odds (although still short) of long-term prospects when compared to the same job for any of the GOP candidates.

    Well the wingnut dirty tricksters (none / 0) (#68)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 01:10:31 PM EST
    are doggedly digging through the dirt like Louis Leaky..

    Maybe Biden's hedging his bets that they may eventually come up with something semi-substantial..

    Not that those people would know substance if it were shoveled over them..


    I would have known better, (none / 0) (#180)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 02:19:46 PM EST
    if I checked to see what Bill Kristol was predicting. Kristol wanted Biden to run and predicted that he would.  I did not want Biden to run and predicted that he would.   Kristol is a good barometer...whatever he says, go with the opposite. Still, it is uncomfortable being anywhere in the vicinity of concurring with Kristol.

    Prior to Biden's Hamlet-like agonizing these past two weeks, and his curiously kind words for Cheney, it seemed that Biden might be valuable in a  Clinton campaign or Administration. But, now it is best if he just continues to be as good a vice president as he can in the remaining months, and to enjoy a statesman-emeritus life, thereafter.


    "I just don't like the guy" (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 11:11:48 AM EST
    He might as well make a donation to his SuperPac -

    George W. Bush unleashes on Ted Cruz
    'I just don't like that guy,' the former president tells donors.

    wow. the first time I've ever agreed with dubya (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 11:27:58 AM EST
    He better think twice (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 12:03:10 PM EST
    Two national polls out Tuesday show former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton making significant gains against Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), her chief rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, in the wake of last week's Democratic primary debate.

    An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll finds that Clinton's standing among Democratic primary voters has improved by 7 percentage points in one month. At the same time, Sanders has dropped 6 points and Vice President Joe Biden, who has not actually said he intends to run for president, has dropped 2 points. Clinton now has 49 percent of the vote, Sanders has 29 percent and Biden has 15 percent. No other Democratic rival captures more than 2 percent.

    Without Biden in the mix, Clinton's lead grows even wider against Sanders (58 percent to 33 percent).

    Similarly, an ABC/Washington Post poll shows Clinton making a rebound at the cost of Sanders and Biden. The survey finds that Clinton has improved 12 points since September, while Sanders has dropped 1 point and Biden has fallen 5 points. Clinton now stands at 54 percent, Sanders at 23 percent and Biden at 16 percent.

    Without Biden in the poll, Clinton jumps to 64 percent and Sander gets a slight bump to 25 percent.

    The ABC/Post poll finds that Clinton's bump come mostly at the expense of Biden. She has gained 19 points among women and 18 points among white voters, people ages 50 and over and people who live in the suburbs.


    And if Joe (none / 0) (#65)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 12:57:10 PM EST
    gets in those numbers are going to be good. He's going to be longing for the days when he polled at 17%.

    The other day (none / 0) (#67)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 01:04:26 PM EST
    a commenter mentioned that Clinton was closing in on Sanders in NH. I said it was best to ignore that Gravis poll. It looks like I was wrong. Today a PPP poll gives Clinton the lead in NH and pulling into a deadheat with Sanders in the RCP average.

    Would love some accountability for Biden (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by djork on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 12:05:42 PM EST
    One of the things that bugs me is how Hillary is often called out to answer for unpopular policies enacted during her husband's administration, like the '94 crime law. I would love to see her standing on a debate stage with Biden when some clueless moderator asks her about the crime law her husband recently apologized for, and she can say "Why don't you ask the man who wrote the law, standing right there."

    Does Sanders need Biden in the race? (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:13:25 AM EST
    If Biden doesn't run, what's happening in New Hampshire is also probably happening in Iowa and Clinton extends her lead even further.

    There have been no Iowa polls since the 1st debate but there have been five in New Hampshire. The average of the five polls taken just prior to the NH debate had Sanders at +8.1. The five polls taken since the debate in NH have Clinton at +0.2.

    Biden garners most of his share from potential Clinton voters. If Biden is out, Clinton could quickly put away Sanders everywhere but Vermont. With Biden in, Sanders has a fighting chance in Iowa and NH.

    After (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:24:14 AM EST
    Biden's disastrous day yesterday I think he adds nothing, takes nothing from Hillary or Bernie at this point. I can see where you are going and before yesterday it might have helped Bernie at least in NH. I don't think Biden entering would have done much for Bernie in Iowa.

    And entering at this late date also means Biden has no ground game and is going to be way behind the 8 ball when it comes to somewhere like Iowa.

    I would like to know one democrat outside of Joe Biden that admires Dick Cheney.


    He is already taking votes from Clinton (none / 0) (#114)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 09:46:13 AM EST
    In New Hampshire Biden is averaging 12% since the debate. Most of that 12 becomes Clinton voters. In Iowa (3 weeks ago) Biden was averaging 17%. Again most of those become Clinton voters.

    No Biden = Clinton is a romp right now.

    Iowa of course is always unpredictable. Both the polling and the caucus. In 2008, Iowa polling had Santorum finishing 3rd. And then he won.


    My larger (none / 0) (#115)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 09:56:41 AM EST
    point is he's making himself very easy to take down. It's almost like shooting fish in a barrel after his statements yesterday. Yeah, he might be polling at 12% in NH but what happens when one ad showing him praising Dick Cheney hits the air waves? He probably goes down to 5%.

    At this point I'm so sick of hearing about him I wish he would just get off the pot and decide.


    A bit old... (none / 0) (#120)
    by NJDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 10:46:56 AM EST
    but for some contrast the the recent the praise

    I don't think the country ever really bought into the PPUS, but I also think the context of the "enemies" comment is important.  HRC didn't say republicans were her enemies.  She listed them  among the enemies she was most proud of, which to me meant those she was proud to stand up against.  I see it as defensive as an aggressive statement...


    I just can't imagine (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by CST on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 09:59:35 AM EST
    That he honestly thinks he's going to win.

    I get Bernie staying in it, he has a policy agenda he's trying to push.   I get the young no-names staying in for more publicity and a greater political profile.  But Joe Biden?  What on earth does he have to gain from losing a presidential election, again.

    I mean I guess he's realizing that soon he'll be irrelevant.  But running and losing isn't going to change that.  And I don't see how he does the math and comes out on top.

    Good bye Joe (5.00 / 3) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:20:08 AM EST
    Don't let the door hit you in the a$$

    This was a classic Beltway-manufactured contretemps, playing on an old man's political ego. Those who were hyping and pushing Joe Biden were doubtless aware that he had little or no chance of actually winning. Rather, their primary and unspoken motive was to inflict damage upon Mrs. Clinton and her campaign.

    I think you miss the actual point (none / 0) (#178)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 01:57:44 PM EST
    their primary and unspoken motive was to have a job. That is why Draft Biden came into being...to raise money and get paid.

    I didn't miss anything, CG. (none / 0) (#201)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 09:25:58 PM EST
    But I think that perhaps you did. Speaking from direct experience, what they were ostensibly doing on behalf of Joe Biden is what Charles Pierce politely calls "ratfcking."

    And they weren't doing this because they were inspired, or out of the goodness of their own hearts. The odds are way better than even that somebody else put them up to it. And it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that somebody else was one or more of the GOP sugar daddies or their representatives. Oh, yeah, you better believe they got paid to gin up that phony groundswell for Biden to enter the Democratic race. People who can be bought like that don't work for free.

    At this level, politics is full of -- for lack of a better term right now -- hacks who live and exist only to do the dirty work for others. Trust me, hacks will ALWAYS have a paying gig, because the movers and shakers like to keep such people around to do their bidding. You'll most often find them ensconced in some obscure "public" interest group, or holding down a position in some 527-class nonprofit like "Deputy Director of Intercommunity Relations."

    And if they're hacks for the administration presently in office, they'll hold job titles like "Director of Public and Legislative Affairs, U.S. Dept. of Justice Community Oriented Policing Services" or "Special Assistant for Public Affairs to the Director, U.S. Trade and Development Agency."

    But don't let such fancy guvmint titles fool you. The people who hold these positions of political patronage are hacks, nothing more and nothing less. And if you're a hack who bets on the right horse and rides it all the way to the top and across the finish line in first place, your hackery can become very lucrative indeed. (See "Stephanopoulos, George" and "Maviglio, Steven.")



    What do you know (5.00 / 2) (#137)
    by CST on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:25:51 AM EST
    Republicans are all over the place and Dems are falling in line.

    Who'd have thunk it.

    If the party continues to solidify behind Clinton I may end up voting for Bernie in the primary after all.  Just to send a nice loud message from the left wing of the party.  Don't forget about us!

    So true (none / 0) (#188)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 05:43:40 PM EST
    I'm just watching coverage of the House.  It's amazing.  It's starting to look like the crazies may block Ryan.   Which is honestly almost unbelievable.   Everyone agrees if that happens it will be total chaos.

    Some Republicans are actually saying they will resign if they do.

    I mean I enjoy popcorn as much as the next guy but it actually getting a little worrisome.   There is a real country to run.


    Best quote yet (none / 0) (#189)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 07:05:59 PM EST
    "It's like interviewing a maid for a job and she says, `I don't clean windows, I don't do floors, I don't do beds, these are the hours I'll work,'"

    I actually (none / 0) (#192)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 07:21:59 PM EST
    kind of agree with that statement because it's pretty much how Ryan is acting. However I think it's because he doesn't want them to pick him for leader.

    Boehner may be stuck in the Hotel California.


    Do the crazies have a guy (none / 0) (#193)
    by nycstray on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:26:17 PM EST
    they want as speaker? Or are they just being a**holes and voting down everyone?

    The crazies have now agreed (none / 0) (#195)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:40:34 PM EST
    to elect Paul Ryan as speaker. Too bad.

    Not unless they did it in the last few minutes (none / 0) (#196)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:44:28 PM EST
    There was some confusion because the "freedom cactus" said they support him but they DO NOT endorse him, which is what Ryan required and which requires 80% or 32 members and they only have 28.

    So according to their rules they can not endorse him.


    Ha (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:45:12 PM EST
    Freedom cactus

    Times couple of hours ago (none / 0) (#199)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:52:55 PM EST

    WASHINGTON -- A strong majority of anti-establishment conservatives in the House Freedom Caucus voted on Wednesday night to support Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin for House speaker, assuring that he will have the votes to secure the post next week.

    While the vote fell short of the four-fifths majority required for the group's official endorsement, lawmakers said it delivered the Republican Party unity that Mr. Ryan, 45, had sought as a condition of his accepting the job.

    Mr. Ryan, in a statement, indicated that he was prepared to seize the gavel. "I'm grateful for the support of a supermajority of the House Freedom Caucus," he said.

    This is not what they just said on MSNBC.  Who knows.  There is still his demand to drop the "vacate the chair" rule


    ABC also reported it differently. (none / 0) (#200)
    by nycstray on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 09:05:41 PM EST
    Hmmm, well tomorrow is another day . . . . and ya just can't predict crazy. If I was Ryan, I sure as sh!t wouldn't take their word that they would support him after they vote for him. I think he will get those 'arrows in the back'.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#198)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:46:46 PM EST
    They have a bunch.  The problem is non of them could possibly be elected speaker.  What I hear is no one has any idea what happens next of Ryan sticks to his guns and his demands.

    Well I am certaibly glad that little drama (4.50 / 2) (#158)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:27:16 PM EST
    is over. Sorry I missed the presser -will have to catch a replay later. Thanks for the commentary folks! Sounded like Obama was teh parent taking the kid to apologize to the neighbor.

    20 minutes. Too many. He says (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:47:34 PM EST
    we are on the verge of "curing" cancer and he's got 15 months to get this done. Very repetitive. Did the teleprompter malfunction?  Any why did he get the ok to hold this event in the White House Rose Garden?

    Seriously (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:52:53 PM EST
    Cancer ?

    Just stfu


    whoa, yeah someone needed to pull the plug (none / 0) (#172)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 01:43:39 PM EST
    on this "candidacy". Glad Obama staged an intervention, if that is what happened.

    Yeah, (none / 0) (#165)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:49:05 PM EST
    it was getting tiresome.

    Well (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 07:29:43 PM EST
    if Biden runs Hillary will take him down. If he runs his poll numbers are going to go down and they're already pretty low. If he wants to do suicide mission number 3 then he should go ahead and run.

    He won't (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 07:35:06 PM EST
    It's like (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 07:39:38 PM EST
    everyday it looks like he isn't going to run and then the goal posts get moved again. Ed Henry (wingnut welfare reporter) says "his sources" say 48 hours. 48 hours is sure to pass and then already they're talking about moving the "announcement" date to the JJ dinner in Iowa on Saturday. How many times has this "date" been moved? More than I can count I think.

    The longer it goes (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 07:42:27 PM EST
    The more of a media punchline he becomes.   Every report I have heard today is accompanied by jokes and eye rolling.

    What is striking to me (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by christinep on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 10:34:13 PM EST
    Is that longtime, old line Dem Joe Biden would leak stories to the likes of Politico, Fox News, WSJ (and, M. Dowd of NYT.)  Who knows what is really going on; but whatever it is, the process of a big-time Democrat using Repub outlets to stir the storyline seems a bit strange to this Democrat. Always consider the source.

    One important truly Democratic source, James Clyburn of South Carolina, indicated today that Biden would not help himself nor fare well with a Presidential run.  Strong man, that Clyburn; strong stuff that he is saying.


    It sickens me as a female (5.00 / 7) (#31)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 06:29:42 AM EST
    that once again, there is a male wrench being thrown into the pot. Yes, I do take it personally because of the many men who will not vote for a woman. There were so many Presidents who were admired for their heavy handed leadership but if she acts tough, well you know the rest. Maybe she needs to use the Firetruck word more. Like, what starts with F and ends with.

    8 years ago I was interested in another candidate who seemed interested in the poor and the people but ended up interested in his needs first. What a disappointment. Then I looked at Hillary next. I felt that she should be President and Obama could be VP and learn on the job. Then after 8 years, Obama could just slide into the President's job. A sure fire 16 yrs of Dems. But they threw in that male wrench.

    Hillary is the smartest and most experienced woman leader that the US has had in recent history. The firefighters of all people should be able to break that glass ceiling for her instead of sending in Joe. I think I can understand people who say they don't bother with politics anymore. It sucks the life out of you.


    You win! (none / 0) (#159)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:32:53 PM EST
    As long as we are counting (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 02:51:36 PM EST
    I also said we would know before tomorrow.   Testimony day.

    Never fesr (none / 0) (#9)
    by jbindc on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 08:00:11 PM EST
    Jim Webb is contemoating runnning as an Independent.

    Let Joe and Jim fight out the middle right.

    Webb is a joke (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 05:22:01 AM EST
    Mr 1% who hates to campaign and seldom puts forth even minimum effort to do anything other than whine is going to run for president as an independent.

    He claims (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 06:31:39 AM EST
    the debate was rigged. I don't think he had anything to offer when he did speak and actually had more minutes talking than Chaffee.

    Agreed. Webb (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 10:18:52 AM EST
    should be thanking his lucky stars that he did not get more time--he did more than enough damage to himself in the time he did have.  If anyone thought he might have something to offer, he clearly disabused them of the prospect with the economy of time.

    Of all possible (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 10:24:50 AM EST
    Independent "democratic" candidates, he would be my choice.  No democrat will vote for him.  I can see republicans voting for him.  Especially if Trump ends up being the nominee.  Or "independents" who afaiac are republicans who don't like to admit it.

    Tweets regarding this are funny (none / 0) (#34)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 07:17:25 AM EST
    but true.

    One opined that it was hard to decide if an independent run by Webb would hurt Republican or Democratic chances the most.

    Personally I think he would draw more votes from Republicans.


    I think you are right (none / 0) (#37)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 07:45:25 AM EST
    Actually, I thought he was a Republican and ran as a
    Democrat to have a chance to win. We supported him as we needed the Senate vote. BUT, when he talked as a Senator, it surely was not in my interest if I remember right. He sounded more right wing.

    Webb's always been a conservative. (none / 0) (#177)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 01:53:46 PM EST
    But, hey, he drove the odious Sen. George "Macaca" Allen from office, so he's certainly earned my gratitude in that regard.

    As He Should, He Clearly is Not a... (none / 0) (#51)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 10:55:46 AM EST

    I would also add this to your statement, let Joe and Jim fight out the middle right, in the middle of the night, because that is the only time they will get on the TV.

    There is no desire for a republican-light candidates this cycle.


    Webb has already (none / 0) (#58)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 11:24:23 AM EST
    dropped out of the Democratic nomination race.

    Jeralyn, what are your choices should Biden (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 08:41:52 PM EST
    be the nominee?

    I wrote the answer (5.00 / 4) (#24)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 11:41:38 PM EST

    I have consistently opposed Crime Warrior In Chief Joe Biden on this site since 2003. (All posts are accumulated here.) Pick any drug law you don't like in the last 25 years, and you'll find he's responsible. If he runs, it will be the first time I sit out a presidential election. He will never get my vote.

    I'm with Jeralyn (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by dissenter on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 05:17:57 PM EST
    From banks, to cops, to drugs, to student loans to TPP to women to his insane ideas that he can work with Republicans.... I'm out if he is the nominee. There is zero chance he gets my vote.

    I will go with Sanders or Clinton (despite my reservations on Hillary) but there in no way Joe Biden gets my vote for president ever.


    I was more or less neutral (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 05:26:09 PM EST
    Meaning I didn't really care if he ran or not but watching the coverage of him today he is really pi$$ing me off.

    The Osama raid thing was it for me.  He is asking to be shredded.  I believe we should oblige.


    If Biden is so bad... (none / 0) (#39)
    by NycNate on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 08:20:48 AM EST
    Why did Obama choose him as VP?  Jeralyn, you may have a point on Biden and crime. I developed the application to put more cops on the street when Obama was elected. The stimulus money for COPS was widely seen as Joe's "baby".

    You know what happens when you put more cops on the street. Freddie Gray. Eric Garner. Mike Brown.


    Isn't that quite a bit premature? (none / 0) (#14)
    by CoralGables on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 08:44:15 PM EST
    She was pretty definite. My (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 09:11:19 PM EST
    question was posed as a hypothetical.

    What would you do (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 09:16:17 PM EST
    If Santa came down your chimney?

    It's just as likely.


    Wait, what??? (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 01:52:01 PM EST
    You mean that Santa Claus really doesn't come down our chimneys to deliver Christmas presents?
    And yet another childhood dream punctured.    ;-)

    Check this out: (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 10:50:11 PM EST
    I don't think any of that is a mistake. (none / 0) (#23)
    by leap on Mon Oct 19, 2015 at 11:37:54 PM EST
    Who knows what's really going on, but I bet that was intentional. I don't have the chops to know why. But do you think that the Clintons, Biden, and Obama are not talking with one another?

    That was interesting-Thanks (none / 0) (#33)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 06:48:22 AM EST
    The comments posted on it were nasty. But it was more of the GOP haters.

    BTW, I was born in Scranton and raised in Ft Lauderdale. Does that make me a Presidential candidate? Heh.


    site violator (none / 0) (#36)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 07:30:15 AM EST

    If Biden was waiting for this morning's polls (none / 0) (#38)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 07:58:32 AM EST
    to make a decision, he'll still be leaning no.

    There have been 4 polls since the debate. An average of the 4 have Clinton at +23.5 over Sanders and +32.5 is over Biden.

    But Biden gets to make his own choice. Just like Christie, or Fiorina, or Sanders. or Perry, or Chafee, or any of the number of others that have chosen to run knowing they are going to lose this cycle.

    Just like the rest, I'll respect Biden's decision should he choose to run.

    Paul Ryan Vs. Biden (none / 0) (#66)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 01:00:22 PM EST
    We seem to have a parallel narrative of the two "guys" reluctant to answer but being wooed by their party to "save their party" from "them".  

    Where are the bookies on which one will succumb first?

    Ah, yes, Ryan v. Biden. (none / 0) (#181)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 02:29:18 PM EST
    For all his present irritations, Democrats owe the vice president a debt of gratitude for having dissected, dismembered and puréed the GOP's "intellectual heavyweight" during their televised debate during the 2012 campaign, which revealed Paul Ryan to the entire country as all meringue and no filling. Coming as it did on the heels of the president's own near-catatonic performance in his first debate with Mitt Romney, Joe Biden righted the Obama campaign's ship.

    And it gets better (none / 0) (#71)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 01:52:59 PM EST

    WASHINGTON -- Vice President Joe Biden may not end up deciding to run for president, but he certainly sounded like a candidate on Tuesday.

    Speaking at a forum in Washington honoring one of his predecessors, former Vice President Walter Mondale, Biden made several veiled digs at former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and boasted of his close working relationship with President Barack Obama. At times, the vice president truly sounded as if he were on stage at a Democratic presidential debate -- either that, or he's just enjoying his time in the limelight.

    For the second time this week, Biden implicitly knocked Clinton for saying at the first Democratic debate that she considered Republicans her "enemy."

    "I don't think my chief enemy is the Republican Party. This is a matter of making things work," Biden said Tuesday. He touted his ability to work with congressional Republicans, saying, "Whenever there's a problem, I get sent to the Hill, which, by the way, is a useful use of my time."


    Biden also played up his foreign policy credentials and his close relationship with the president, which would both be potential advantages over Clinton.

    Reprising an argument he makes frequently, the vice president noted that Obama trusted him to represent the country abroad.

    "We've had two great secretaries of state. But when I go [overseas], they know I am speaking for the president," he said.

    Biden also boasted that he spends four to seven hours with Obama per day.

    "I attend every meeting the president has. I didn't ask to do that. At his request!" he said.

    The vice president also displayed his well-known tendency to speak his mind. When the conversation turned to former Vice President Dick Cheney, who is almost universally reviled among Democrats, Biden said he viewed him favorably.

    "I actually like Dick Cheney, for real," he said. "I think he's a decent man."

    But after Mondale pushed back, arguing that Cheney had taken the vice presidency to the "dark side," Biden quickly walked back his remark, claiming there was "no similarity" between Cheney's record and his own.

    Biden must hope to capture (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 01:56:53 PM EST
    lots of GOP votes, assuming some those voters admire Cheney.

    yes he has a tendency to speak his mind (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by CST on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 01:59:29 PM EST
    Also known as putting his foot in his mouth.

    Joe Biden's mind (none / 0) (#89)
    by leap on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 07:44:47 PM EST
    is a size 12 shoe.

    And this is why the media loves him, (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 02:01:50 PM EST
    because there's no one they love more than someone who can ratfk the Clintons...

    What a jerk.


    Oy! (none / 0) (#74)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 01:59:47 PM EST
    Just the fact that Biden said "I actually like Dick Cheney, for real.  I think he's a decent man." should disqualify him, even if he did "walk it back."
    And again I say, Oy!

    Good Lord (none / 0) (#76)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 02:07:12 PM EST
    What he was saying was absolutely cringe worthy. He seems to think that everyone in the party is in love with PPUS type stuff.

    Go away Joe.


    But ... (none / 0) (#103)
    by Nemi on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:42:10 AM EST
    Biden implicitly knocked Clinton for saying at the first Democratic debate that she considered Republicans her "enemy."

    ... wasn't what she said actually the other way around?


    Yes (5.00 / 3) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:50:47 AM EST
    But even if it wasn't IMO anyone who does not consider the current Republican Party the enemy has no business in a position of leadership of any kind in our party because they are not in touch with reality.

    Don't even get me started on "Dick Cheney is a great guy"


    Guess it's (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by Nemi on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:28:38 AM EST
    pretty much a question of the meaning of "is"? Or "Who's on First?" whether she or they made 'enemies' of the other. ;) But I liked her answer. And her impeccable timing. :)

    Cooper: "... Franklin Delano Roosevelt once said, "I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made."  You've all made a few people upset over your political careers.  Which enemy are you most proud of?"

    Clinton: "Well, in addition to the NRA, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the Iranians."

    [laughter from the audience]

    "Probably the Republicans."

    [more laughter and applause]

    Amen (none / 0) (#108)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:59:28 AM EST
    to that Howdy.

    And while she:s right (none / 0) (#107)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:58:37 AM EST
    It was kind of a joke - a nod to the audience at a DEMOCRATIC debate.

    She knows how to work with Republicans to get things done if need be.


    CNN (none / 0) (#82)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 05:26:32 PM EST
    Just had a big banner up slamming Biden Day ng (paraphrasing here), "Biden changes  story on bin-Lafen raid".

    Ryan Lizza of the New Yorker and Peter Beinart of The Atlantic were both very critical if Biden's rewriting of history.  But they, and the other panel members, pretty much all agreed that they think Biden is running.

    Just saw it again (none / 0) (#83)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 05:28:41 PM EST
    Banner says "Biden rewriting history?"

    Not good.


    Silly Joe (none / 0) (#84)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 05:36:57 PM EST
    He should know only Republicans get to rewrite history.

    9/11 was Clinton's fault don't you know.


    Already (none / 0) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 20, 2015 at 06:09:25 PM EST
    everything coming out of his mouth is cringe worthy. I simply can't believe even HE is that out of touch. Praising Dick Cheney? No wonder the GOP has been agitating for him to run.

    So yesterday (none / 0) (#98)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 06:40:58 AM EST
    Biden pulled out his gun and shot both of his feet and then stuck both of them in his mouth. Amazing even for Joe.

    he must (none / 0) (#105)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:52:43 AM EST
    be going for the Rip Van Winkle segment of the base.

    Is there any Democrat who has not been a coma for the last 20 years who thinks Republicans are our "friends" and Dick "torture is cool" Cheney is a decent chap?


    He's trying (none / 0) (#109)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 09:03:17 AM EST
    to replay Obama circa 2008 where everything is magically unicorns and fairies and the GOP is just misunderstood and the GOP isn't really the problem. The problem is the Clintons. Reagan was transformational etc. etc.

    However after being in DC in the VP cave for 7 years he doesn't realize that the landscape has changed dramatically and he just looks out of touch with not only the Dem base but voters in general.


    Joe has 7 days (none / 0) (#102)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:38:06 AM EST
    To get his name on the Georgia ballot, (Without an exception)


    I didnt originally think he would do it, but I think he might run.  Maybe he dipped his toe in the water with his recent comments, and from what I've been reading, his "shot across the bow" to HRC has not been well received by media outlets and pundits that a tualky seem to like him personally.  I haven't seen a huge swelling of people wanting him to run.  Maybe that's what he's testing.

    I don't know, jb; someone who's so (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 09:06:30 AM EST
    out of touch that he could make the comment he did about Cheney and take the swipes he did at Clinton may be oblivious to the signals and clues that running is not in his or the party's best interests.

    It also, frankly, bothers me that as someone who isn't a declared candidate, he said the things he did about Clinton - what's he going to do if he doesn't run?  Walk that back, too?  

    He's really kind of a jerk, and I wish he'd just go away.


    In fact (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 09:59:37 AM EST
    He could probably do more damage with what he is doing now I think.   Being a bitter troll resenting Hillary for taking his last chance to run and lobbing grenades from the safety of the sidelines.
    Far more despicable and appearing to me at least possible

    If he keeps it up he is asking for a full frontal from Hillary supporters.   And he can flush his "good ole Joe" BS right down the toilet and he better hope Obama keeps returning his phone calls or maybe Cheney because no ne else will.


    Honestly (none / 0) (#118)
    by CST on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 10:02:04 AM EST
    If reports like this have any truth to them I could see him burning the Obama bridge.

    At the last press-corps dinner Obama already sort of tipped his hat towards Hillary as his successor.  I don't see this as a push by Obama like some people.  I think Obama cares more about winning and can read the polls as well as anyone.


    I completely agree (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 10:56:04 AM EST
    If nothing else Obana is a smart pol.  He knows who can win and who can't.  And he cares.
    The nonsense upthread about Obama is exactly that.
    Pure ODS.  And typical.  If Biden keeps thus up Obama will cut him off.

    At this point any attention would only raise his profile.  Perhaps the goal.  Who knows or cares.


    FWIW (none / 0) (#123)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:08:25 AM EST
    I hadn't heard about the Obama theory though I had heard that it was Valerie Jarrett pushing some of this stuff.

    The 48 hours dropped to the press (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 10:10:35 AM EST
    by the Draft Biden Committee has already expired. Unless 48 hours means 60 and it continues to the end of the day.

    Biden decision day feels a little like Groundhog Day.


    Well (none / 0) (#106)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:57:56 AM EST
    hopefully in 7 days all the speculation will end after he misses a deadline but probably not. If missing the first debate didn't stop it then missing a deadline is not going to stop it.

    I am still struck at how out of touch his statements yesterday were. Dick Cheney is probably the most reviled character in the country today and Biden praises him? I just cannot get over how completely stupid that is.

    And as far as the pundits? Yes, it is as i and many other around here predicted. Oh, Joe is so wonderful. He's so "authentic" until he gets in the race and then he quickly becomes Crazy Uncle Joe.


    Breaking Biden (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:04:17 AM EST
    He will appear in the rise garden in 10 mins with the president to make a statement.

    Then there's no way (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:15:43 AM EST
    He's running.

    Obama would not appear with him to kickoff a presidential bid, especially using the Rose Garden as a backdrop.


    He is Not Running (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:22:15 AM EST

    About GD time.


    Obama looks like (5.00 / 3) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:24:11 AM EST
    He's there to make sure he says everything he was told to say.

    Just Waiting for Him... (5.00 / 2) (#142)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:29:14 AM EST
    ...to smack Biden in the back and the head and say 'wrap it up already'.

    He is MILKIN it (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:32:12 AM EST
    Obana and his wife or sort of looking at their feet.   Thought balloons are really fun for them.

    Per the NY Times news alert (none / 0) (#147)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:44:57 AM EST
    about Biden not running, Biden started this whole will-he-or-won't-he nonsense because, basically, his feelings and ego were hurt when so many staff and fundraisers opted early for HRC without even considering old Joe.

    I also learned from the Times story that Biden's other son, Hunter, was drummed out of the military last year after testing positive for drugs. How did I not know this? Anyway, did Joe think none of this would come up if he ran? That his family would somehow be spared from the vipers' nest that is American politics?


    Exactly (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:57:51 AM EST
    And the stuff about it being to late.  BS.   It's not to late.  He knew he would lose.

    What's happening on cable right now is remarkable.  It's a combination love/hump fest and wake.  They are stricken that such a beloved figure has done such a graceful and generous thing.   And oh by the way, poor Joe and his wrenching grief.  


    I also disagree with Anne's comment about falling into obscurity.  Though he should.  His digs at Hillary is going to, and was intended to, make him the medias go to guy for Hillary truth and "balance".


    I think someone - Obama? - is going to (5.00 / 3) (#152)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:06:26 PM EST
    have a little come-to-Jesus meeting with Joe and let him know in no uncertain terms that he needs to be a good Democrat and get in line behind the nominee, regardless of who it is.

    I picture Obama having the nice chat, and someone else letting him know what lies in store for him if he tries to undercut the candidates/nominee.

    If they haven't already asked Hillary to comment, when she does, she will be gracious in her remarks and will refuse to get sucked in the way the media want her to be.  

    I think the hearing tomorrow and the sh!tshow that follows is going to pretty much knock Joe out of the spotlight, and then it's the weekend, and I think it's just over for him.


    I hope you are right (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:09:13 PM EST
    I saw a bitter and perhaps dangerous man.

    No (none / 0) (#156)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:13:21 PM EST
    You saw an elderly man that knows his political career is coming to an end. That can't be easy for anyone. And unlike those that lose an election by getting blindsided, Biden gets to see his ending 15 months in advance.

    Her statement was her usual . . . (none / 0) (#182)
    by nycstray on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 02:36:25 PM EST
    gracious would def describe it. Biden could take a lesson . . .

    He certainly (none / 0) (#185)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 02:57:24 PM EST
    could take a lesson. He really went off on her yesterday.

    In politics, this is a win for all Democrats (none / 0) (#168)
    by christinep on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 01:09:59 PM EST
    IMO, the wisest thing to do is to applaud Biden at this point for a number of reasons.  He will help the general campaign in key mid-Atlantic states with lots of electoral votes ... and, he will allow the party to avoid wedge issues being pressed by Repubs all along as a cover for their own deep splits.

    While venting today doesn't hurt, there can be a downside to getting lost in a morality play that centers around Joe Biden as a Human Being.  That spiritual aspect of the human motive is best left to the confessional and his private life.  As a practical aside: Biden does have the party wherewithal to have carried on the theatre for agonizing weeks--agonizing weeks for everyone involved--if he chose to do so ... he chose the better course.  Good for him.  


    Am I the Only One... (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 01:24:25 PM EST
    ...who thinks that dropping out the day before HRC testifies is a bit odd considering how long he has dragged this out ?

    I think it was either today, or (5.00 / 2) (#173)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 01:46:39 PM EST
    postponing until next week, and if he waited until next week, it was going to look like a commentary on her committee hearing performance (if he jumped in, it would be because she did so badly - if he stayed out, it would be because she knocked it out of the park).

    I found the whole thing to be utterly self-absorbed.  The Rose Garden, with the president and first lady looking a tad uncomfortable, his rambling about a cure for cancer, his "I will not be silent" promise - if nothing else, it should have proved to the few who had been supporting him that any effort to run would die the same ignominious death his prior two efforts did.

    There's no question the guy's dealt with some serious tragedy in his life, maybe more than his share, and kudos to him for getting back up and going on.  But I think this last death took a toll he underestimated - and it showed.  He may well have decided long ago that life's too short not to just say what you want, but that doesn't translate well to the White House.

    I hope he finds a way to have meaning in his life, both personally and professionally, and whatever the reason he decided not to run, I'm just glad that's the decision he made.


    Timing & motives & consequences (none / 0) (#175)
    by christinep on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 01:49:03 PM EST
    As husband & I were chortling and almost dancing around when we saw the announcement TODAY, yes the timing is intended to have an effect on TOMORROW. That is what we both thought at the same instant.

    FWIW, husband did professional campaign strategy in the past and taught college poli-sci early on ... please don't consider that his views are dogma, but his instincts on the meaning of today's timing I'll paraphrase as "That--taken with the debate and the big rise in poll numbers--could almost wrap up the primary phase for Hillary."  He considers the TIMING a big plus ... for her extra boost of confidence as well as for the latest kick-in-the-shins for the Benghazii Inquisition group who already were seen as losing their moorings. The image of the prelude to the testimony could not have been better in terms of planning.  

    I do want to add that HRC is not guaranteed anything yet, of course. There are, after all, 5 more debates where surprises can happen. But, clearly, her pathway in the months ahead gets a bit easier.


    Funny that he seems to think (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:28:02 AM EST
    Anyone cares what he says after I'm not running.

    He "will not be silent" - oh, joy! (5.00 / 2) (#148)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:50:37 AM EST
    I guess his shots at Clinton were parting shots, a few last digs before fading into irrelevancy.

    I hate to tell him this, but if the media decide there's no point in covering him, he will be rendered effectively silent.

    Which, given how often he has his foot in his mouth, is probably a good thing.

    Toodle-loo, Joe...you will not be missed.


    As long as he takes pot shots at (5.00 / 2) (#194)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 08:26:30 PM EST
    HRC (and maybe Sanders), the media will cover him. As long as he is promoting TPP and a love fest with the "good people" on the other side of the isle, the media will cover him.

    They will only stop quoting him if he starts to take pot shots at the "good people" on the other side of the isle.


    Looks Like We Ain't Done with Joe... (none / 0) (#144)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:34:25 AM EST
    ...15 months of campaigning where the media can go back to making fun of his instead of pretending they give a damn about Joe Biden.

    Listening to the talking heads (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:41:57 AM EST
    Is amazing.   I think they should all be put on suicide watch for the next few days.

    While breathlessly awaiting Biden's announcemnt, (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:42:24 PM EST
    NPR reporter speculated Bied might announce he was resigning as VP and would run.

    I feel (none / 0) (#138)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:26:41 AM EST
    the same way. For about six weeks now i've been like get off the pot Joe.

    And it will (none / 0) (#124)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:09:09 AM EST
    be nothing probably.

    It won't be nothing (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:12:01 AM EST
    It will be something.  And the fact that the president will be there dies not suggest he is entering the race.

    I would say it suggests (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:15:33 AM EST
    They had "a little talk"

    He actually (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:19:27 AM EST
    desperately needed a "little talk" after his statements yesterday.

    Perhaps (none / 0) (#126)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:15:01 AM EST
    Honestly I've just become so jaded about Biden and an announcement and nothing happening that's my first thought is it's nothing once again.

    He'll jump in and jump out quickly (none / 0) (#134)
    by Dadler on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 11:22:01 AM EST
    Will cite family and/or health reasons for quickly getting out: "I didn't fully realize the effect of a presidential campaign on me at this point in my life."

    And the betting odds for Hillary to win (none / 0) (#153)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:06:44 PM EST
    the Dem nomination and the presidency just got very short. Money now pouring in on Clinton to win both.

    Two major things from the Biden announcement (none / 0) (#157)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:18:15 PM EST
    1. Clinton's chances of winning 49 states in the primary just skyrocketed.

    2. Draft Biden heads to the unemployment line.

    Also, Biden's speech (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by BarnBabe on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 01:42:58 PM EST
    I watched it twice and noticed 2 things here. He began his speech stumbling over why he was not going to run. It was not a very well prepared speech. Then he went on to the Obama legacy speech and it was a well practiced speech. I will bet that his legacy speech was part of his I am running speech and that is why it went full speed ahead without any stumbles.

    I had not heard about his Mondale get together and what I read today was that it was a "Hey, the President only trust me and I am very much part of all decisions he makes." Everyone is saying he shot across the Hillary bow but in fact he accidentally shot across the Obama bow and that is why he had to have his come to Jesus meeting with Obama. I am sure Obama does not want to appear that he needs someone else okaying his decisions. Joe just does not know when to shut up.


    Since Biden is Out... (none / 0) (#161)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:40:18 PM EST
    ...I am going to treat this like a open thread.

    So I am sure most people know that today is BTTF day, because in Back to the Future II, the date for going back to the future was 10.21.2015

    OK so we sort of have hoverboards, but we definitely don't have flying cars, we still need roads, Doc.

    But the thing no one has mentioned throughout the MLB playoffs is that the Cubs win the 2015 World Series.  I know, sorry Mets fans, but the future isn't determined by me.

    I care about back to the future (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by CST on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 12:45:16 PM EST
    about as much as you care about star wars.

    My college boyfriend was really into flying cars, even sort of tried to build one.  But alas, he has not been successful to date, and I have no idea if it's something he's still working on.

    I'm on board for the Cubs.  Sorry kdog, but while the Mets aren't the Yankees, they're still from NY, and that's just something I can't support in the realm of sports.


    Yeah... (none / 0) (#169)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 01:19:11 PM EST
    ...did I mistakenly say I cared, I only did it cause it's today dumb memo on every single news site.  

    Plus it's not politics and I just like the predictive date of an old movie, even know it's wrong as I highly doubt there will be 9 games in the world series or that somehow the Cubs could actually play Miami in that series.

    I don't even know if I ever saw the third one, I know I didn't like #2, and the first was pretty cool.

    That being said, I have always, and will always love the Delorean automobile.  I actually kick myself a couple times a year as I had a chance to buy a Deloreoan about a decade ago, very cheap and decided to pay off the car I was driving at the time, dumb, dumb, dumb.

    And not that anyone cares, but a company in Houston bought all the Delorean inventory, so you can get a fully restored, basically brand new car, down here, but they are not cheap.  But I see them from time to time and just drool.


    I never saw any of the BTTF sequels. (none / 0) (#183)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 02:37:52 PM EST
    But the first one is really funny. With the exception of Star Trek and James Bond movies, which are more serial than sequel, I'm generally not too keen on the latter, often finding them as little more than pale imitations of the original.

    Yes, we Cubs fans have been trying to cling (none / 0) (#186)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 04:37:36 PM EST
    to that as an omen....not working out so well.

    Blue Jays win game 4! (none / 0) (#190)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2015 at 07:12:58 PM EST