Suspected Charlie Hebdo Killers are Dead

The two suspected killers of the 12 people at the Charlie Hebdo newspaper in Paris are dead. Their hostage is safe. The brothers were killed when they came out of the hiding place shooting at security forces. Looks like they decided to go out in what they perceived to be a "blaze of glory."

Here are the suspects believed to have killed the policewoman and taken hostages at the Kosher market. They are Hayat Boumeddiene (L) and Amedy Coulibaly(R.) Coulibaly was killed by police.

Boumeddiene got away. (Added: It's unlikely she was ever there.) The FBI and French police are searching for her. Some of his hostages are safe. Here's a photo of some hostages being taken from the market. AFP reported 4 besides the gunman were killed in the market incident. They since revised that to four are critically wounded. It's also not clear whether the four are hostages or police or a combination.

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    Anonymous declares war (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 01:12:42 PM EST
    Against Islamic Extremists in retaliation for Charlie Hebdo, vows to shutdown their accounts and social networks.

    One can only hope... (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Dadler on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 01:30:00 PM EST
    ...Go Anonymous!!!

    Hi Tracy (none / 0) (#17)
    by Dadler on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 01:30:16 PM EST
    Hope you and the family are well. Peace & Love.

    We are doing well (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 01:35:40 PM EST
    It was a really great holiday.  We failed to do stress this year.  I stayed out of the stores as much as possible.  Kept it simple.  Cooked a lot of protein products :)

    I hope this finds you all doing well on your homestead.


    Here here (none / 0) (#21)
    by Slado on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 02:00:39 PM EST
    They are using our freedoms and technology against us.

    Time to start fighting back.


    Bububut... (none / 0) (#23)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 02:29:17 PM EST
    If we cut off their internet access who will "we" spy on with our awesome internet surveillance infrastructure?



    Like they threatened to take out (none / 0) (#39)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 10, 2015 at 02:39:08 AM EST
    the Zetas? (That was just Barrett Brown, but still.) In their dreams.

    comment in reply to mine (none / 0) (#50)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 10, 2015 at 04:55:51 PM EST
    deleted for insults.

    show the cartoons (none / 0) (#1)
    by thomas rogan on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 11:15:34 AM EST
    If every media site and blog in the world (including this one) picked a day to print these sometimes sophomoric cartoons, then terrorists would have a quandry.  By killing or firebombing "offensive" media outlets for alleged blasphemy they will be assuring that the blasphemy will be spread worldwide on every media outlet.  I think that the imams will figure out that violence will backfire as far as suppressing blasphemy goes and will go back to old fashioned political correctness approaches.

    No this site will not show the cartoons (none / 0) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 11:19:36 AM EST
    And please don't post them here. Get your own blog if you want to show them.

    Not gonna happen (none / 0) (#18)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 01:33:31 PM EST

    Way too many in the "speak truth to power" clan are mute when the power in question may visit violence.  Bushitler the chimp, there is courage for you.

    Not saying they are correct... (none / 0) (#3)
    by gbrbsb on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 11:34:24 AM EST
    ... as sources over there are probably better than here but the UK media is affirming still that 4 hostages are dead along with the gunman. Nothing on the accomplice with rumours she may have got away much earlier... or was she even an accomplice?

    True. Seems to be Conflicting (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 11:43:18 AM EST
    info. One of the wounded or dead may be a police officer rather than a hostage. Here's an AFP photo with the caption saying police are "attending" to one of their wounded officers.

    There are unconfirmed reports the female escaped.


    ... on national television that four are dead at the Vincennes supermarket.

    Women/teen on the loose (none / 0) (#5)
    by Slado on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 11:59:18 AM EST
    Somehow she is not under arrest and the French police are looking for her.

    Was she ever in the shop?  When did she and how could she slip away?

    It seems that there are more then 4 people involved and it would be good to learn how or who set this off.

    Look for them to blame (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 12:03:14 PM EST
    the Khorasan group and al Qaida (neither of whom are ISIS)

    Think you are right (none / 0) (#10)
    by Slado on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 12:48:02 PM EST
    Will take days at least till we know more and even then we'll need to question the narrative.

    I worry they will not look hard enough to see if they had contacts beyond their small group in France.


    I wouldn't worry about that (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 12:50:03 PM EST
    They will

    They were in Syria last year (none / 0) (#32)
    by Jack203 on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 03:51:47 PM EST
    Awfully suspicious...

    Zilch over here on the woman but over here... (none / 0) (#9)
    by gbrbsb on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 12:37:54 PM EST
    ... they are now reporting that there was a second gunMAN at the grocery who has escaped! Also that he is unknown to the police.

    Ooops, rapid changes here... (none / 0) (#12)
    by gbrbsb on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 12:50:26 PM EST
    ... the second gunman could be the unaccounted for 6th body found at the grocery store which would at least mean an armed gunman is not on the lose.

    A lot of criticism over here on the way the French police handled this. Especially the 10 to 15 mins delay between strikes after they had cut off the possibilities of communications leaving those at the store without contact with those at the printing press which could have spooked them and given them time to kill hostages just as they had threatened to do earlier if the police made a move on the brothers. Experts here say the strikes should have been made simultaneously within at most seconds of each other. It appears the police also miscalculated the amount of hostages despite having hacked into the store's CCTV.


    Unless they all get out there will a (none / 0) (#20)
    by Slado on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 01:57:42 PM EST
    always be criticism but it is just Mondaday morning quarterbacking.   I'm sure they could have handled it better but they could have handled it worse.   The market had maybe 20 plus hostages.

    Fox reporting that the brothers claiming do to be working with and financed by AQ.

    Fox also saying store gunman claimed "allegiance" to ISIS but that he coordinated with the brothers.   Which would seem to make this an AQ operation.  

    Very confusing, I'm sure there is more to come.

    Side note: Obama's speech was worthless.   Why make a speech if your just going to lay out the same old PC chattter.

    Name the enemy, name the ideology and tell us how you're going to defeat it.  


    Here's the report (none / 0) (#22)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 02:26:13 PM EST
    "I was sent, me, Cherif Kouachi, by al-Qaeda of Yemen. I went over there and it was Anwar al-Awlaki who financed me," he told BFM-TV by telephone, according to a recording aired by the television channel after the siege was over.

    - The Times of India


    Their co-conspirator claimed ISIS allegiance (none / 0) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 02:38:52 PM EST
    In the article you link.  Al Qaeda and ISIS are enemies.

    Your snip sort of leaves out also that Cherif is talking specifically about his trip to Yemen. His claimed "financier" has been dead for 3+ years.

    This article from The Guardian outlines the lack of solid affiliations more clearly.


    I'm not so sure AQ and ISIS are enemies (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Jack203 on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 07:57:37 PM EST
    I would love it if they are though.

    Radical organizations often split (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by christinep on Sat Jan 10, 2015 at 04:43:46 PM EST
    ... and that split often has a genesis in differences in strategy, technique, approach.  I'd also argue that, as a group grows in recognition and acquisition, a competition among several radical groups or sects may be a pronounced form of each pushing for principal funding, members/recruits, and the publicity that goes with it.

    IMO, the goals with regard to power in the Mideast (and beyond) and the goals as to various movement-appropriated grievances seem remarkably close.  On top of that, of course, is the stirring of the Shia and Sunni avenging call by both the secular and religious leadership.


    After seems by Klnghoffer, the (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 10, 2015 at 04:57:10 PM EST
    opera, I read a book re the Achillo Laura. While Arafat is making peace, the PLF commits these crimes. The head of  the PLF was on the PLO, board of directors at the time.

    "After seeng" (none / 0) (#53)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 10, 2015 at 05:00:45 PM EST
    They have competing Caliphates (none / 0) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jan 10, 2015 at 07:49:17 PM EST
    That's a problem :). ISIS has a much bigger Caliphate than the one Al Qaeda has tried to cobble together in Syria in order to compete.

    As in Highlander though, there can be only one :). And by God, Baghdadi is not the Caliph, just ask Al Qaeda.


    Power (none / 0) (#55)
    by christinep on Sun Jan 11, 2015 at 04:43:23 PM EST
    When all the trappings are stripped away--whether secular or religious or the over-used excuse that 700 years ago (give or take) another group was guilty of something--it predictably devolves into a power struggle.  Power and control.

    IF power/control is the real driver for AQ and IS, shouldn't an effective response be patterned on what can best stop/prevent/turn back that power drive?  Ideas?


    Ideas about it I don't have (none / 0) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jan 11, 2015 at 05:19:44 PM EST
    I am surrounded by a Conservative Fundamental mindset population right now that gets very easily played by individuals only using them for power and dollars.  They willfully and passionately vote against their interests all the time.  They fight for destructive policy. They get stuck on talking points and are uncomfortable chasing the snake from head to tail in order to have a fuller comprehension.  I don't even know how to help this community :). The numbers are against me here though.  I am the minority.

    I can sense that you try, MT (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by christinep on Sun Jan 11, 2015 at 07:13:22 PM EST
    It may be quite uphill, as you describe ... but, you clearly try.  That matters.

    Does that mean... (none / 0) (#58)
    by unitron on Tue Jan 13, 2015 at 06:08:10 AM EST
    ...we can look forward to a Cali-phight between them?

    "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" (none / 0) (#25)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 02:41:43 PM EST
    fundamental operating principle trumps all the attempts at terrorist taxonomy I'm seeing here.

    When the aholes are done fighting over short term goals/loot/whatever, they'll align, more or less.


    Not between ISIS and Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 02:45:21 PM EST
    Perhaps between French militants doing their own thing.

    I've no idea why you're arguing. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 03:09:54 PM EST
    Earlier I posted links to the 19th arrondissement group earlier, to its links to acolytes of the Finsbury Park (London) Imam, Abu Hamza, who is being sentenced today in New York City.

    A senior Yemeni intelligence source told Reuters that Saïd Kouachi met leading Anwar al-Awlaki, a well known extremist preacher in Aqap during a stay in Yemen in 2011.

    "We do not have confirmed information that he was trained by al-Qaida but what was confirmed was that he has met with Awlaki in Shabwa," the source said, a lawless area where al-Qaida militants and the security forces have clashed in recent years. It was under al-Qaida's control in 2011.

    We're quibbling over how many sociopaths can dance on the gun barrel of a hideous ideology.  Detente is not in their day planner.

    If you want to get really mad, get mad about the estimated 1000-2000 people killed in the latest Boko Haram attack.


    It matters if this was planned via (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 03:16:12 PM EST
    Al Qaeda or ISIS or clarifying well that it wasn't because the breeders love to spew the incredible dangerous competency of those groups.  They hype the peril, push people into hyper fear.  Facts are grounding.  Fully understanding situations has a calming effect.  Better decision making follows, politicians make better decisions when the masses are less hysterical.

    LOL. Don't worry about me, MT. (none / 0) (#29)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 03:25:37 PM EST
    The U.S. Military is incredibly dangerously competent.  

    The terrorists are simply dangerous.


    Heh, well the U.S. military isn't (none / 0) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 04:18:53 PM EST
    Always the most competent either.  When you sometimes see those who work daily to be strong and highly skilled with the best equipment available fall on their faces, you realize nobody is ever 100% anything 24/7.

    It does concern me though when thugs get all this PR about how skilled and competent and worthy of fear they are, and the people they are taking out are artists and journalists and doormen and individuals on peaceful neighborhood bike patrol.


    Here ya go, MT. Abu Hamza (none / 0) (#31)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 03:31:30 PM EST
    One of the Finsbury Park hatemonguers, was sentenced today to Life in a U.S. Prison.

    I get what you say and yes... (none / 0) (#30)
    by gbrbsb on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 03:31:10 PM EST
    ... there will always be those quick to criticise. However, that said, way way before the police went in on the printing press UK logistic experts had been on TV saying that any strikes would be obliged to be simultaneous in order to avoid unnecessary deaths of hostages in retaliation especially since the gunman or gunmen at the grocery store had directly threatened to kill hostages if police harmed the brothers at the press so it wasn't an opinion with the benefit of hindsight.

    And I reckon the dead's families would have preferred a simultaneous strike since it would at very least left less time for the grocery terrorists to reek the threatened revenge on the hostages.

    In any case let's await the autopsies to see how the hostages actually died since at present it's still speculation as they might have died in the cross fire police-gunman.


    Good points (none / 0) (#36)
    by Slado on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 09:44:58 PM EST
    But to me it's a miracle only 4 were hurt in a shootout when he had around 20 hostages under his thumb.

    Some reports indicate it was simultaneous and that the two sides had no contact at that time.

    Who knows.   We'll learn a lot more in the days ahead.


    German media continues to report (none / 0) (#6)
    by scribe on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 12:02:04 PM EST
    at least 4 hostages and 3 hostage-takers dead.

    Also reported earlier that (none / 0) (#8)
    by scribe on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 12:04:31 PM EST
    the head of ISIS praised the hostage-takers' heroism during Friday prayers in Mosul.  And that he says this is the beginning of a wave of attacks on Europe and the US.

    How much of that is chest-pounding and how much puffery taking advantage of something someone else created, open to question.


    So does the L.A. Times and ABC News. (none / 0) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 01:21:57 PM EST
    With any live reporting of rapidly breaking developments, there will sometimes be inaccurate information,so we'll just have to wait and see how all of this eventually sorts out.

    India Arrests, Charges former Minister (none / 0) (#34)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 06:47:48 PM EST
    after he defended the Paris attack on Charlie Hebdo.

    India.com: A case has been registered against former Uttar Pradesh minister and BSP leader Haji Yakub Qureshi for his controversial comments, in which he defended the terror attack on French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.

    Just watched Real Time with Maher (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 11:17:55 PM EST
    Salman Rushdie speaks for me.  Hopefully video will be available tomorrow, but he stated that one of the hardest things for the West to understand about the current Islamic extremism is that it isn't about us, we are bystanders along for the ride.  But just can't fathom that something isn't at its heart about us. He said the one thing we CAN do is not budge one inch on our principles, and don't be a member of The But Brigade.  This idea that writers and cartoonists and intellectuals are responsible for Islamic extremism is absurd and dangerous, and books and political cartoons are supposed to rock boats.  That's what they are supposed to do, that's their job! What would a "proper" political cartoon even look like or be?

    Indeed (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 09, 2015 at 11:37:03 PM EST
    The cartoons, books, etc., are not responsible. It's the teaching and Sharia law... just as many of us have been saying for years.

    Rushdie takes it much further Jim (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jan 10, 2015 at 07:41:42 AM EST
    This is a power struggle within Islam.  The radicalization is encouraged by the powerful among the different factions, they are fighting to control the heart of Islam via radicalization.  It isn't about us, but we do get in the way or become a vehicle used by different factions to demonstrate their power through radical atrocities.

    There is a myth they play off of much like Conservatives in this country do, that in days gone by we had it all and now it has slipped away and we now live in daily hell :)


    Rushdie is just another person who (none / 0) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 10, 2015 at 10:09:54 AM EST
    doesn't understand and is trying to apologize for what is happening. Remember what bin Ladin told Peter Arnett.

    REPORTER: Mr. Bin Ladin, will the end of the United States' presence in Saudi Arabia, their withdrawal, will that end your call for jihad against the United States and against the US ?

    BIN LADIN: ..... So, the driving-away jihad against the US does not stop with its withdrawal from the Arabian peninsula, but rather it must desist from aggressive intervention against Muslims in the whole world.

    Tracy, whether you me and everyone else, like it or not the radical islamists have declared war on the west.


    Insisting that Rushdie doesn't understand (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jan 10, 2015 at 10:47:08 AM EST
    But you do......wow, astonishing Jim.

    Rushdie proves my point with his own words (none / 0) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 10, 2015 at 11:36:24 AM EST
    What he wants is for Islam to be left alone.

    But the radocal islamists demand to go where they want and do what they want when they want without interference.


    I did not get that from what he said one (none / 0) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jan 10, 2015 at 12:06:50 PM EST
    Little bit.  He said what we must do is not budge one inch on our principles.  I take that to mean that we don't stand idly by while genocides take place right in our faces either.

    Jim stop changing the topic (none / 0) (#52)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 10, 2015 at 04:59:04 PM EST
    Someone mentioning Rusdie does not warrant changing the topic of the thread to a discussion of Rusdie. I'm not going to keep saying this. Either comment about the topic of the thread or write somewhere else. This isn't a debate forum, it's a place to comment on the matters discussed in the post.

    Radical Islam (none / 0) (#44)
    by Jack203 on Sat Jan 10, 2015 at 11:43:51 AM EST
    Young Muslims in Western countries are especially in danger of conversion.  Feeling out of place and under fire from the rest of the population, radical Islam provides meaning and a reason for life.

    It's not a good situation as the circle of violence seems to be escalating.  ISIS and AQ are encouraging Western Muslims to go beserk and kill Westerners on site.  And the backlash from the resident Western populations against Muslims is growing.

    Radical Islam appears to be metastasizing.  Scary thought.   If I wanted to be an optimist, I would say it's always darkest before dawn.

    The saddest thing for me is I don't think the clash between the Middle East and West would have erupted if it wasn't for 911.  What an epic disaster.


    I think it was always going to happen (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jan 10, 2015 at 02:13:04 PM EST
    911 might have sped it along.  There are Muslims happy living in the West though, very happy, leading successful lives.  We always have disaffected youth of all ethnicities and faiths, we always will.

    Living in the South, you know what is oppressive around here?  Fundamental Christians.  Practicing fundy faiths has itself isolating and oppressive qualities that affect your life and self image.