AQAP Claims Credit for Charlie Hebdo Attacks

AQAP has issued a statement taking credit for the Charlie Hebdo killings. The reason for the operaton: Their insults to the Prophet.

We in the Organization of Qa'idatul Jihad in the Arabian Peninsula claim responsibility for this operation as a vengeance for the Messenger of Allah. We clarify to the ummah that the one who chose the target, laid the plan nd financed the operation, is the leadership of the organization.

It says by coincidence, Coulibaly had another operation set at the same time.[More...]

As to Coubali:

This blessed battle was carried out by two heroes of Islam, the Kouachi brothers Sharrif and Sa'id - may Allahhave mercy on them. It was a tawfeeq from Allah that the operation coincided with the operation of the Mujahid brother Ahmed Koulibali - may Allah have me cy on him. We ask Allah to accept them all among martyrs, and bless them the company of the Prophets.
The result of the operation was the killing of a number of the newspaper's cartoon.

If AQAP financed the Hebdo attacks, why did Coubali say he gave the Kouafi brothers a few thousand so they could finish the work to carrY it off?

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    I Think They Can Call This One a Giagantic... (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 10:27:30 AM EST

    Normal publication run, 60,000.  The issue that came out yesterday sold out at 3,000,000.  That is a factor of 50 and they might print more.

    Far exceeding its usual run of 60,000 copies, the new issue, compiled by surviving staff members in the offices of French newspaper Libération, will likely be met with heightened demand from those who see it as a symbol of its fearless stance against fanatical Muslims who have repeatedly denounced and threatened its staffers for the magazine's insistence on portraying Muhammad in past issues.

    HERE is the cartoon.
    It reads: "All is forgiven" & "I am Charlie"

    NBC News should hang their heads in shame for refusing to print the cartoon(s), yet write descriptive story about it, with no mention of their refusal and blocking comments.

    I attempted to buy a copy (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 10:30:50 AM EST
    As a show of support.  Everything coming to the U.S. that I could find was spoken for yesterday.  Some family trying to get a copy in Germany but looks like the same situation.

    They are doing a second printing now.


    According to One of the Articles I Read... (4.67 / 3) (#13)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 11:28:36 AM EST
    ...only 300 copies were destined to the US.

    I am wondering how a small company who normally publishes 60k copies can produce 3M with 9 staffers killed only a week ago.  They must have a force of volunteers and the people still working there deserve massive props for the hours they are surely putting in and continuing to fight the right fight.

    Personally, I think all the cartons are in bad taste, not very good, and whose only purpose seems to stir the hornets nest.  But that is what I love about freedom, just wish we practiced it a little more at home and had a little thicker skin sometimes that would allow freedoms to prevail and not be curtailed into zones because it's easier.

    It makes me wonder who here would be championing freedom so loud if Charlie Hebdo decided to go after jesus instead of ahmed.


    Couldn't agree more all the way around (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 11:46:55 AM EST
    I don't think many folks in the states (none / 0) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 11:57:28 AM EST
    Understand that the crew at Charlie Hebdo seems to be mostly atheist and deeply critical of all faiths and ideologies stepping on humanity :)

    It's actually entirely atheist (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 12:17:12 PM EST
    jews and christians are well represented in the new issue.  The idea that they don't target Jews or Christians is just uninformed.

    They are equal opportunity offenders.  


    So it's an atheist publication? (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 12:23:12 PM EST
    In researching a large array of their cartoons I came away with the idea that they were largely atheist.  Their approach to issues and some of the things they find humor worthy and satire worthy are very similar to that of my friends who are atheist in the US.  I suspected most of the staff was atheist, but did not know it is an atheist publication.

    Atlantic (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 12:40:31 PM EST
    ?...Since its founding in 1970, the satirical magazine has delighted in transgressing the moral and aesthetic taboos of most everyone. But it has reserved a special, obsessive disdain for the world's organized religions. In 2011, after Catholic extremists in the city of Avignon vandalized "P!ss Christ," the photograph of a plastic crucifix submerged in urine, Charlie Hebdo produced a cover cartoon featuring rolls of toilet paper labeled "Bible," "Koran," and "Torah." The headline read: "In the sh!tter, all the religions."

    "We are a French newspaper," Biard told me in 2012, engaged in the defense of "French" values. In an interview with the Swiss public broadcaster RTS after last week's attack on his publication, he said: "Laïcité is not just some abstract idea. It is a moral value, and I believe today, one must recognize that laïcité is perhaps the prime moral value of our Republic. Because without it, Liberté, Égalité, and Fraternité isn't possible."

    In the France of 2015, this sort of ideological retrenchment is hardly radical. As is the case throughout Europe, Islam is seen by many here--with the possible exception of most French Muslims themselves--as a challenge to the country's notion of itself. Biard's words, in fact, could easily have been spoken by almost any politician here, from any political party, including the far-right National Front. However radical Charlie Hebdo's mode of expression, the ideas it is promoting are not.

    Laïcité (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 12:32:20 PM EST
    is a sacred concept to the French.  it's not a new concept.. Hebdo is an outgrowth.

    The word laïcité has been used, from the end of the 19th century on, to mean the freedom of public institutions, especially primary schools, from the influence of the Catholic Church[9] in countries where it had retained its influence, in the context of a secularization process. Today, the concept covers other religious movements as well.

    It takes very little imagination to see why the current problems might arise


    I have read much about that (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 12:38:17 PM EST
    Because some Muslims have claimed victimization because religous symbols are not allowed in public institutions and that includes theirs. I can't say that is about atheism though as much as about secularism and not allowing religion to affect and divide community.  I agree with France on this too.

    Many in the Bible Belt keep trying (none / 0) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 01:26:26 PM EST
    To find a way to "express" their Christiness covertly at others on post.  My favorite is the Christian gate guards telling me to have a blessed day.  They are really supposed to say "Welcome to Fort Rucker, Home of The Best" and if I'm a team player I say back "Above the Rest".  Like getting into a speakeasy :) I usually just say Thank You, that appropriately seems to cover everything.

    An atheist friend went through the gates though with me once and gets really ticked about the blessed day stuff.  I told her there are all kinds of blessings, maybe later I would sacrifice a chicken and bathe her in blood.  For some, that's a blessing.  Maybe the South needs a Charlie Hebdo.

    You gave me a great idea though.  The next time a gate guard tells me to have a blessed day I will holler back out the car window in my best cheerleader voice "Above the Rest!"


    Yeah (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 01:34:13 PM EST
    i hate the "blessed day" thing.  Not the greeting.  No different than wassup.  The smarmy, self righteous, sanctimonious tone it's delivered in.  Everyone in the south knows "bless your heart" means fvck you.   I read the other exactly the same way.   I usually say 'I make my own blessings.  But thanks.'  A scowl works too.

    My first Tracy Hebdo cartoon (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 02:39:22 PM EST
    Talkleft being checked in at the gate of Fort Rucker.  Gate guard says, "Welcome to Fort Rucker, Home of the Best!"

    Capt Howdy:  That's a bit presumptuous, you guys just started asking and telling.  I would suspect lots of inexperience around here.

    Ruffian:  Yeah yeah yeah, we're burning daylight.

    Oculus:  Does your mother know where you are?  Do you shave yet?

    Kdog:  Dude you really need to lighten up.

    Mr Natural:  You do realize, you have a cultish feel about all of you right?

    Lentinel:  Glad to see your self esteem is so full of yourself.  Wouldn't want you guys having second thoughts or anything.


    I forgot Jim..how could I? (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 02:47:59 PM EST
    Jim:  Phuck yeah!  Murika!

    They will be showing up (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 10:41:12 AM EST
    places like eBay.  But they won't be cheap.

    I ran across some of that (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 10:47:41 AM EST
    It looks like in France the issue sold out in minutes.  They haven't even shipped to the U.S. yet.  They are still cobbling together distributors.  Maybe they will increase the print coming here.

    I was checking this morning and a headline screeched 'Rush to buy new Charlie Hebdo edition'.  My morning brain thought wow, well if anyone should support freedom of spew it ought to be Rush but this publication is awfully leftwing so it's pretty huge for him to wrestle for one :). Silly morning brain.


    You can see It (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 10:51:19 AM EST
    at the Daily Beast I think.

    Rush- right thing probably all wrong reasons IMO


    I had the wrong rush because (none / 0) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 10:52:39 AM EST
    It was capitalized.  Pretty sure it's the verb, not the noun :)

    You know I'm grammar impoverished (none / 0) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 10:53:39 AM EST
    Oh well (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 10:57:49 AM EST
    it would have been a surprise.  He would cheer the Muslim stuff but probably be less happy with the ones involving Christianity.

    This is who I am attempting to work with (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 11:01:27 AM EST
    For an English version.  They were already sold out yesterday for what they had coming in.  Perhaps they will receive more with the second printing.

    Bahahahahaha! (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 11:09:38 AM EST
    MSNBC just had Andrea Mitchell say that they have decided not to show the cover of Charlie Hebdo because they don't publish things as PROVACTIVE as that.  Bahahahahaha!  Okay, whatever.  Let's all watch the unprovactive MSNBC news channel.

    Measles measles, wash hands, don't touch face, wash hands wash hands.  If I washed my hands this morning everytime they had an "expert" on telling me to wash my measle spreading hands, they'd be chapped by now :)


    Ronan Farrow Is calling out his bosses (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 12:48:07 PM EST
    Got a Link ? (none / 0) (#28)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 01:38:05 PM EST
    All I can find is Mia calling out her son and MSNBC.  There is pic on the Twitter of him interviewing someone in which the CH cover is pixelated.

    To be clear (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 01:55:22 PM EST
    I personally do not have a problem with not showing the images.  This is also a free speech choice.  As those who choose not to show them often point out, the are available everywhere.  

    As long as they are, no problem here.  


    It will probably be on the site later (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 01:42:36 PM EST
    if not already.  He was holding a copy.  And interviewing a couple of guys who thought the images should be shown.  His opinion was pretty clear.

    I kinda thought they'd claimed somewhat (none / 0) (#1)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 09:35:27 AM EST
    the opposite in their previous statement, that they didn't want to know details of an individual cell's plans, etc.  I had assumed that that was to prevent communication which could be overheard or surveilled.

    Now they're claiming command and control.

    Their virginal white robes are an illusion worthy of Oscar Wilde.  Somewhere are their real robes, and they're drenched in blood.

    France sending aircraft carrier to Mideast (none / 0) (#6)
    by Green26 on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 10:50:13 AM EST
    to work with US-coalition fighting ISIS, and taking action against hate speech and against glorifying terrorism.

    "France ordered prosecutors around the country to crack down on hate speech, anti-Semitism and glorifying terrorism and announced Wednesday it was sending an aircraft carrier to the Mideast to work more closely with the U.S.-led coalition fighting Islamic State militants." AP/Yahoo article.

    I'd be curious to see articles discussing, or a discussion on TL, about whether mocking Muhammad/Muslims is close to, or not close to, anti-Semitism. I am aligned with Charlie, but the question is the prior sentence is interesting. I can understand how Muslims in France and elsewhere are not all-in for Charlie.

    Yes, It's Confusing (none / 0) (#17)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 12:05:15 PM EST
    First, they are going to do what we did, over react.

    How the cartoons cannot be viewed as hate speech is beyond me considering they arrested a comic:

    Since the attacks, France has deployed 10,000 troops and 120,000 security forces in an area the size of Texas to protect sensitive sites, including Jewish schools and synagogues, mosques and travel hubs.

    France has been tightening security and searching for accomplices since the terror attacks began, but none of the 54 people mentioned Wednesday have been linked to the attacks. That's raising questions about whether Hollande's Socialist government is impinging on the very freedom of speech that it so vigorously defends when it comes to Charlie Hebdo.

    Among those detained was Dieudonne, a popular and controversial comic who has repeated convictions for racism and anti-Semitism.


    It's OK to be derogatory against Mohammed, but not Jews.  I mean seriously, their freedoms seem to be a little one sided.  They filed 'incitement to hatred' charges against Bob Dylan for saying this in Rolling Stone:

    If you got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood.

    Yes somehow the Charlie Hebdo cartoons don't qualify as incitement to hatred, even after they incited hatred that left 20 dead.  And now the French are on a rampage to protect the Charlie Hebdo freedoms in which other, very similar freedoms are crimes.

    That is a line no one IMO can walk.


    Not sure what your point is? (none / 0) (#31)
    by Slado on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 02:03:04 PM EST
    Are you saying that the original cartoons were hate speech and that some sort of reaction was inevitable?

    From what I've read it's pretty clear these people didn't care what religion you were.  

    So if they confronted all the religions with speech that might qualify as hate speech in our new PC world why did one particular group decide murder was the answer?

    The question of if these cartoons qualify as hate speech is really not important, the reaction we can expect from certain religions when they are confronted is what the issue is.

    I think it's fair to say right now Islam or "radical Islsm" is just a bit more sensitive then the other faiths.


    The point being (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by FlJoe on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 03:42:48 PM EST
    once you let the authorities decide what is free speech and what is not you are planting the seeds of tyranny. The whole concept of freedom of speech is about speaking truth to power.

    Many people,of all religions, probably find Charlies cartoons offensive if not hateful. Sure Charlie "hated" on everyone, but should that give them a pass?

    Now the French are rounding up the "usual suspects" because they are only hating on a certain select group of people. Mixed messages on the freedom of speech thing at best, flat out persecution at worst.


    My Point... (none / 0) (#35)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 04:15:49 PM EST
    ...in France antisemitism is illegal and CH anti-muslimism is being held up as the beacon of freedom and it's confusing.

    I was stating that their law's wording is "incitement to hatred", which is exactly what the CH cartoons did.  Never said it was inevitable, but if that is the wording, surely the act is proof that it incited hatred, no ?

    I think it's all BS, and that anti-anything as disguising as it is, should be the same across the board in how it's handled by the government.  One should be able to express their distaste for any group equally, but that is not what is happening in France.


    What you don't seem to understand (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 04:31:51 PM EST
    is that there is just as much, or certainly almost as much, really insulting stuff about Jews as Muslims in Hebdo.   I believe Slados point is Jew are not killing people.  The post from that comedian could certainly be interpreted as at least in a way supporting the killing.  Which will of course have to be proven in court.  

    Making an insulting cartoon about someone or something is not an incitement to or condoning of violence.  No matter what you think.  


    Thanks Howdy (none / 0) (#37)
    by Slado on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 06:44:33 PM EST
    My point exactly.

    This is just another difference between secular western culture versus Islamic culture.

    In majority Islamic countries there is absolutely zero criticism of the faith.  

    That is hard to comprehend for some when they come to our cultures were all religions are open to criticism.  Then as even citizens of western countries become radicalized they see any criticism as an attack on their faith and them personally.


    Another part of this (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 07:02:04 PM EST
    is the fierce defense of their culture that is central to the French.  I know a bit about this having spent a year in Montreal.  The French Canadians are even worse.   I complained about it at the time, and occaisionally still do, but I think I have more of an understanding of it than if I had not done that.

    I would imagine that there are many in France, considering the huge muslim population we hear so much about, that feel their very culture is under assault.  I have to say that personally I find it hard to understand why someone for whom religion is so important would choose to live there. It is a rather famously secular country.


    From the new Charlie Hebdo issue: (none / 0) (#14)
    by Green26 on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 11:41:05 AM EST
    "One of the cartoons in the special issue shows the two brothers who killed 12 people at the magazine last week in heaven, asking the whereabouts of their 70 virgins -- the supposed reward for martyrdom. A voice from a cloud says they are all with the Charlie Hebdo team."

    Looks like 2 million more copies being printed.

    Article link.

    There is an Episode of the Family Guy... (none / 0) (#18)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jan 14, 2015 at 12:14:41 PM EST
    ...in which a suicide bomber is at the pearly gates.

    It's hilarious.

    FYI, you link doesn't work, it's 72 virgins, and I still cannot find out what female bombers get.


    A possible answer... (none / 0) (#39)
    by lentinel on Thu Jan 15, 2015 at 05:41:35 AM EST
    YI, you link doesn't work, it's 72 virgins, and I still cannot find out what female bombers get.

    They probably get 72 virgins.