Thursday Open Thread

Time for an open thread, all topics welcome, including TV (as a commenter requested earlier.) Since I've only been watching Senor de Los Cielos this summer, I'm not going to be much help leading that discussion.

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    Enough gloom and doom (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 02:02:29 PM EST
    Going to a Johnny Cash tribute/benefit concert tomorrow.   Proceeds to help preserve his childhood home.
    Not really my thang but I thought it would be fun and I dont get out enough.
    Time fer some cultcha

    Nice one... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 02:56:14 PM EST
    I've been listening to some Highwaymen lately...talk about a super group.  Such good sh*t...I though the man in black was everybody's thang!

    I've probably commented on it every year, but it's that time again...the McArab Family Reunion this weekend for me. Eat like Lebanese, drink like Irish, hit the hash like Lebanese, rinse and repeat...always a wonderful weekend partying with the extended clan.  The cherry on top this year is a show on Sunday night, Rich Robinson of The Black Crowes fame is playing a little club right down the road from my sister's house.  A better to way to end a family bender I do not know.


    Oh (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 02:59:23 PM EST
    Big fan of JC.  Sadly he won't be there.  Just a bunch of country types like Reba McWhatever.

    I am going to be with friends.  And it's a good cause.


    His songs will... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 03:05:36 PM EST
    so he will...even if no one can sing it like Cash.

    It was good (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 02:40:17 AM EST
    I enjoyed it more than I expected to.  It was Reba (meh) Bobby Bare (great-surprise) and Loretta Lynn (who I could really care less about beyond the historical significance) but
    All being Cuntry Music Halluf Fammers there was an evening of singular music ship. Wow.

    Also the "MC" missed his flight or something and some guy had to fill in.  It was great.  I will look for hom there must be videos.  Bit he is sort of a gay country robin Williams.  Lots of jokes about ADHA, the Bible, and his upbringing and a rigged ministers son.
    It was worth the ticket price.  He was like a country Big Gay Al from South Park.  I did not expect to laugh.  A lot.


    Ok (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 03:08:45 AM EST
    This is sort if funny.  Those of you who are into this stuff may be familiar with this song Mary Did You Know.

    You probably also know this is sooooooo not my thing.  
    Here's the thing.  He did a half hour of stand up - very good stand  - at the beginning of which he said he would end with a medley of his hit.
    So then the lights go down and he does this song acapella..  And the guy has a voice.  Especially live and in great acoustics.
    He softened me up with jokes about a 13yo Virgin Mary getting knocked up by god and then going on a road trip.  It was very effective.


    I love Bobby Bare. With you on Reba (barf). (none / 0) (#70)
    by Angel on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 10:14:43 AM EST
    Glad you had a good time.  I was wondering when you posted you were going if you would update us.  

    Iraq's Maliki stepping down after eight years (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Angel on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 03:15:49 PM EST
    in power.  

    WaPo Breaking News Alert

    Iraq's embattled leader Nouri al-Maliki has backed his rival Haider al-Abadi to form a new government, a member of his political bloc said, conceding defeat after a tense political standoff.

    This is a welcomed (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by KeysDan on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 03:58:38 PM EST
    breakthrough.  Hopefully, one of substance, but the symbolism will do for the present.   al-Abodi is probably not a moderate by some standards, but in comparison with Malik he looks good.  A low bar, though that is.  

     Abodi is, in my view, likely to be less divisive, is well-educated (Ph.D, U of Manchester and fluent in English) so that he should be able to work better with a wider range of constituencies, while maintaining his Shia base.  Fingers crossed.


    NYT: (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 08:53:19 PM EST
    If there's one thing the history of the Internet has taught us, it's that trolls will be difficult to contain because they really reflect base human society in all its ugliness. Trolls find a way.

    Ha. That's dark. (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 08:58:45 PM EST
    Where did that come from?  

    Devils (legal) advocate would say they might be seen as a healthy antidote for groupthink.

    Very dangerous thing.  Groupthink.


    No footnotes. (none / 0) (#37)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 10:00:05 PM EST
    Our researcher friend who (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 07:54:17 AM EST
    Was degreed in psychology is always making fun of my political optimism.  He says I fail to consider that base human ugliness and that it is what half of society operates from.

    I had a friend whose husband was a psychiatrist (none / 0) (#39)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 08:35:38 AM EST
    When I asked her about the high suicide rate among those in her husbands' profession, she told me that the analysis process they all must go through(Freudian back then) reveals things that are so dark that some of them can't live with them and so kill themselves instead.

    TV talk (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 08:54:33 PM EST
    Is anyone watching The Bridge?  Very interesting series.  It might be seen as the first bilingual series.  Ok one of the first.  
    There is as much dialog in Spanish as English.

    But it's also very good.  And Lyle Lovett!  Not enough Lyle in the world.

    San Fran TLers, see my bro-in-law this Sunday... (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 01:01:25 PM EST
    ...for FREE. Scott Mayo is his name, he'll be backing Sergio Mendes at The Stern Grove Festival, this Sunday at 2 p.m. in The City. (link)

    Parking will suck bigtime, and you can really only take the MUNI there "easily" publictransportwise, but try to make it and let me know what you think of my man's performance. He's a virtuoso on several instruments as well as vocals. Go and have fun, all ye bay area TLers.

    Westoboro Baptist Church (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 04:12:19 PM EST
    Personally, I'd rather see ... (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 02:44:05 AM EST
    ... the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence greet the Westboro Baptist clowns with a broom handles, some cans of Crisco and several bags of old doorknobs, and give them something to really be homophobic about.

    You know what (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 02:48:54 AM EST
    I think Robin would love that.  I think that if his funeral was NOT picketed by them he would be disappointed.

    Like is work was not done.


    I bet he'd love that, too. (none / 0) (#67)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 03:03:12 AM EST
    And meanwhile, I think the good Sisters would probably discover that one in eight Westboro folks won't seem to mind at all.

    Texas Governor Rick Perry indicted by grand jury. (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Angel on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 07:08:22 PM EST
    Isn't that kinda hard to do in Texas? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 08:41:35 PM EST
    I did get a good giggle out of it when I heard the news :P

    Yes, it is. We giggled as well because we were (none / 0) (#69)
    by Angel on Sat Aug 16, 2014 at 10:11:45 AM EST
    looking forward to Perry running for president again.  He gave us some good laughs last time.

    Reminder For Interactions With Police (none / 0) (#1)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:17:48 PM EST
    You have the right to stay out of jail:

    Know your rights

    I Think a Better Site... (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 04:44:07 PM EST
    ...would be for the police, "Know Their Rights".

    Now I have never been in any real jams, but it's been my experience, if you even mention rights to a cop, their gut reaction is some form of "Well, well, well, we have a lawyer." as they process to violate as many rights as possible.

    Knowing them and having the ability to exercise them are two different things.  Cops can violate them all day long so long as they are willing to lie about what happened.

    I am positive ten, if not hundreds, of thousands of people have known their 4th amendment right while the NYPD was performing their infamous and sanctioned 'stop and frisk'.

    My mission statement, do whatever is humanly possible to avoid any form of contact with the police.  And when that isn't possible, put on some gigantic smoochers and kiss @ss like its your job, and pull it off without appearing scared, no mater how much dirt you have on you.


    When I was "contacted" recently by two (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 04:53:39 PM EST
    patrol officers, I had already "exited" my rental car (which I knew, but forgot, is not a good plan). I was politely instructed to get back in the car, ma'am. I answered all the questions (which I remembered later I was not compelled to do). When asked, how was the opera, I began to give an depth review!  Last question, how old are you ma'am?  I said, did you just ask me my age?!!!!!  Then I answered the question.

    You little flirt!! (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Angel on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 04:55:35 PM EST
    Not really. They never asked for my license. (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 05:13:50 PM EST
    I was hopelessly lost and apparently driving sans headlights (all the interior lights were on and I had been trying everything to get them off).  Fortunately they seem to have concluded I was a very confused old lady.

    Good Luck with A$$ Kissing (none / 0) (#43)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 09:43:16 AM EST
    As the site, and Jeralyn recommends, be polite but do not talk to the police except to respectfully ask if you are being detained.

    And if they say no, leave quickly in a respectful manner.


    If the motives of law enforcement are (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 10:22:08 AM EST
    as uniformly nefarious as many here believe them to be, one might conclude that simple and legal question might be a quick route to a holding cell in local detention facillity.

    In my most memorable... (none / 0) (#46)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 10:38:03 AM EST
    and harrowing experience, I didn't have time to even think about my rights much less exercise them.  The cops were all guns drawn and up in my car, my glove compartment, and my pants before I could say "boo".

    Legal Questioning? (none / 0) (#47)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 10:38:39 AM EST
    What do you mean?

    Q: Have you been drinking?

    A: Respectfully officer, I do not have to answer that.

    Q: Not answering is suspicious, do you have anything to hide?

    A: I'm not resisting, respectfully. I do not have to answer anything.

    Q: If you have nothing to hide, do you mind if I look around?

    A: I am sorry officer, but I don't consent to searches.

    Q: If you refuse a search, I'll have to call a K-9 unit.

    A: Officer, are you detaining me, or am I free to go.


    No,, no. I meant legal for the erson (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 10:55:34 AM EST
    the police are contacting to ask, "am I free to go?"

    So I Get Pulled Over... (none / 0) (#55)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 02:39:16 PM EST
    ...maybe a little tipsy, but definitely holding and your advice is to "respectfully ask if you are being detained".

    Yeah, I am pretty sure that advise is after they find the goods, my goal is too avoid ever having to use that advise.

    So far I am batting 100%, as an adult.  Twice pulled over so far gone, I was making plans with my passenger for my vehicle and jail before the cop even came to the window.  Another time I was cuffed and put into a police car headed to downtown.  Somehow I managed to bet him I could unlock the rear door in cuffs.  I am very flexible, but the doors only open from the outside, the window was down, but not all the way.  I think he was speechless when the door opened before he could pull over and I was beyond speechless when he let me go.

    He told me to take a cab, I said I was calling my friends I was with earlier, he said call a cab or go to jail.  Cab it was.  Had I been taken downtown, that PI would have turned into a felony when they searched my pockets.

    That is the point in which the advise would have been useful.


    Not My Advice (none / 0) (#56)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 03:00:39 PM EST
    It is the advice of Lawyers who see people get arrested when they could have avoided it by not talking to police. Of course the key is to be polite as possible.

    From Jeralyn:

    As I always say, the jails are filled with people who thought if they could only tell the cops their side of the story, the cops would see it their way.
    Miranda rights and the 5th amendment privilege against self-incrimination are there for good reason. Use them.

    As I taught the TL kid when he was 10, if a cop stops him and asks him to waive his rights, he should politely respond, "I'm sorry, sir but I only wave the flag." I told him the "sir" is very important, and while he may get beat up and thrown in jail for being a smart alec, at least he'll know he did the right thing.

    Repeating Advise is Advise (none / 0) (#58)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 05:08:32 PM EST
    "Look both ways before crossing"

    My point was that kissing @ss with everything you got can often avoid needing that advise, and has worked quite well for me.

    So even though you were being you, I will take every scrape of luck offered, even from a person I dislike.


    Also (none / 0) (#2)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:21:31 PM EST
    Beat me to it (great minds think alike;)! (none / 0) (#3)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:32:14 PM EST
    You have the right
    Not to be killed
    Murder is a crime!
    Unless it is done
    By a policeman
    Or an aristocrat
    Know Your Rights

    Just Saw this Quote (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:51:36 PM EST
    "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing."
    - Malcom X

    Somehow, angry folks are the bad guys and the people who killed an unarmed kid are the good guys.

    I guess people find broken windows and stolen TVs more valuable then a black kid's life.  Sad thing is, as much as it sounds like snark, it isn't.

    Good thing racism is dead in America, that is snark.


    Smart dude that Malcolm... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 02:06:22 PM EST
    I like that one...so true.

    Sh*t it appears jaywalking laws are more important than a black kid's life, loose cigarette peddling laws more important...never mind a broken window or a tv set.


    Malcolm had a lot to say (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:57:18 PM EST
    "It is a time for martyrs now, and if I am to be one, it will be for the cause of brotherhood. That's the only thing that can save this country."

    Two days before his death


    Excellent advice: keep (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 03:18:50 PM EST
    hookahs, baggies, scale out of sight!

    ... as early as this afternoon (Thursday, Aug. 14) that Tweedle-Dee will be replacing Tweedle-Dum as the moderator of its Sunday show "Press the Meat"  -- or is that "Meet the Press Release"?

    What a pathetic decline for a show that was once at the top of its game.

    Here's a list of previous hosts: (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 02:35:02 PM EST
    Martha Rountree 1947-1953
    Ned Brooks     1953-1965
    Lawrence E. Spivak     1966-1975
    Bill Monroe     1975-1984
    Roger Mudd & Marvin Kalb (co-moderators) 1984-1985
    Marvin Kalb     1985-1987
    Chris Wallace     1987-1988
    Garrick Utley     1989-1991
    Tim Russert     1991-2008
    Tom Brokaw (interim)     2008
    David Gregory     2008-2014


    I don't think I watched the show until the Russert years, and I think I gave up watching him in 2008.  Better things to do on a Sunday morning than spend time with a bunch of - as Charlie Pierce refers to them - "gobshites." If you look up the definition of that word, you'll see just how well it fits.

    Did not know the first host was a woman - how progressive!  But considering no other woman has ever been a permanent host, maybe not so progressive.  She was actually the show's creator, believe it or not.


    Once upon a time... (none / 0) (#28)
    by unitron on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 06:19:51 PM EST
    ...the moderator didn't exist to insulate the guest from the press--they brought in about 4 journalists, maybe one from NBC and the rest from print, and they went at the guest.

    The roundtable at the end thing is mostly stolen from Brinkley's Sunday morning show.


    Haven't Watched inYears... (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 07:02:57 PM EST
    ...but caught a last little Sunday.

    They were discussing the political divide and placing blame everywhere except the main culprit, the Press.

    Meet the press is idiotic when the political press in America is nothing more than stenographers for the pundits, run by people whose only purpose is generating revenue.  It's like watching party puppets repeat what they have been told.

    They love the party cat-fighting, and create partisan drama from thin air when there is none available.  IMO the single biggest contributor to the increasing party line divide is the press' lust for differences over than agreement, because that is what sells ad space.

    I just wanted to smash the Todd and Mitchel, they are such hacks and clueless to their own negligence on the very topic.  It wasn't even mentioned by Gregory, and these are the political experts, idiots that refuse to check facts because it might endanger their access to the oh so valuable pundit quotes.


    So I won't. I'll let Lewis Lapham of Harper's do it for me, as he deftly responded to everyone who was mourning Tim Russert's 2008 passing in "Elegy for a Rubber Stamp."

    I actually think this is good (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 02:10:05 PM EST
    Anything is better that Gregory.   I don't even watch the show ( tho I do sometimes catch Todd's since it is my wake up period) I would just like to see Davey off the air,  he is a disgrace IMO.

    Is that gray whiskbroom thingie (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by fishcamp on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 09:23:11 AM EST
    on his forehead real hair or fake fur?

    It's whisk broom (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 02:28:17 PM EST
    Or hair plugs.

    IMHO, Chuck Todd is ... (none / 0) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 02:21:21 PM EST
    ... television journalism's equivalent of a court stenographer. Further, the guy has repeatedly proved himself inordinately reliant on political gossip as a reporter, which often renders him prone to misinformation. I don't think I can ever recall an instance where he's actually broken a meaningful story solely by his own legwork. He and David Gregory are merely two sides of the same coin, and NBC's decision simply reeks of status quo.

    I guess (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 02:25:20 PM EST
    Hard to argue with any of that.  Im still glad to see Gregory go.

    If I ran NBC Rachel would get to grill McCain and Graham on Sunday morning.


    Where - on the rooftop at 30 Rock? (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 02:39:09 PM EST
    Charcoal or gas?  Hickory chips? Dry rub, or wet sauce?

    Can't imagine any of that would help.

    Oh, wait - you meant "ask them questions..."


    That too (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 02:44:01 PM EST
    "ask them questions..." (none / 0) (#27)
    by unitron on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 06:16:28 PM EST
    Is there any silver?

    Is there any gold?

    Where is Dondarrion?

    It's all in how you ask.


    Dream interpretation (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 02:35:14 PM EST
    I woke up this morning having one of the stranger dreams I remember and I have not been able to shake the imagery.

    I was in NY as I often am in my dreams and while walking down the street I find I am being followed by a giant bird.  Not unlike the terror birds of a few thousand years ago but bigger.    But I never felt threatened.  Quite the opposite.  I felt very sorry for the creature as it feebly nibbled at my shoulder (it had to bend down to do this) as if to get my attention.   I could see that it was clearly lost and terrified and only looking for help.  Which for whatever reason I felt unable to provide.  After comforting it to the extent I could, it was trembling and breathing hard from fear and stress, I nudged it on it's way down the sidewalk and continued on my way.   Then I woke up.
    But all day I have been feeling the poor things fear and abandonment.  I remember thinking 'how cruel to abandon such a beautiful creature in the city'.


    The bird is you (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Dadler on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 07:36:53 PM EST
    Part of you, that is. Since mortality, and its unprecedented loneliness, is THE ultimate F.U. to the subconscious and id, where dreams arise, I'd guess it's an odd "dealing with death" dream. I think the terror bird itself comes from your history as a designer in a fantasy industry that deals with beasts and dragons and such. You love that sh*t, IOW.

    Just my one point five cents.


    You're right about the "you" (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 10:50:44 AM EST
    but that "you" most of us think of as "I" is a lot bigger and inclusive than we've been trained to conceive of.

    Creatures appear so often in dreams because they're part of us and we're part of them. Not just in the unconscious, but in reality. Aboriginal people have always known this; with most other peoples it's only the unconscious that still remembers. This why we often feel for animals as much as we feel for people.

    That dream bird is, at least in part, an expression of your intimate connection to, and participation in, that wider world.



    I think we know we're monsters (none / 0) (#51)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 12:44:45 PM EST
    Down in our reptile and cavepeople brains, stem and subcortex. As for my freaky self, I only have normal violent dreams, getting shot, stabbed, etc. No doubt a reflection of the trauma I survived as a very young child, ages four to eight let's say, The Welfare Years we'd called them, as opposed to The Wonder Years. Peace out, mi amiga.

    normal violent dreams (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 12:47:57 PM EST
    Normal should've been in quotes, as in "Normal." Cuz phuck only knows what that means.

    Odd (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 08:29:48 PM EST
    I often have batsht crazy dreams.  I think you could be onto something about my love of horror and fantasy.  They usually don't effect me.  I just wake and go whoa that was awsum

    This was different.   The sadness and terror and innocence of this creature has been with me like a shadow all day.

    Thanks for the cents.


    One other sort of interesting thing (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 08:36:15 PM EST
    I posted that exact same thing on Facebook and it ended up being a conversation with a bunch of old friends, all of whom lived for many years in NY but have not for years.  Some like me for many years about how many of our dreams are of and in the city.

    I always thought it was odd that 80% of my dreams take place in a city I have not lived in for  more than 20 years,  I always just assumed it was because those were the most formative and important years of my life.

    Then I accidentally find out that it's common among my friends.


    ... Big Bird of "Sesame Street," and he's now made you feel guilty for not contributing to your local PBS station during this month's pledge drive.

    Better bust out that checkbook, or your next nocturnal visitor will be Hercule Poirot, who'll accuse you of conspiring with Mrs. Peacock to commit unspeakable horrors upon Col. Mustard with a candlestick in the conservatory.



    Robin Williams in early stages of Parkinson's (none / 0) (#16)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 02:47:28 PM EST
    Actor Robin Williams was going through the early stages of Parkinson's Disease when he committed suicide, his widow, Susan Schneider, revealed Thursday.

    "Robin's sobriety was intact and he was brave as he struggled with his own battles of depression, anxiety as well as early stages of Parkinson's Disease, which he was not yet ready to share publicly," she said in a statement.


    439 New Federal Crimes added 2008-2013 (none / 0) (#31)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 07:48:47 PM EST
    according to the CRS (Congressional Research Service).

    Speaking of Criminality, former AG Al "Gonzo" Gonzales announced today that he totally approves of Obama's usurpation of congressional power.

    New heights in (none / 0) (#40)
    by Angel on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 09:17:39 AM EST
    Yes (none / 0) (#42)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 09:39:40 AM EST
    Funniest thing, if you think any of it is funny, is Leibowitz said, that Dunaway, who did away with the flag, was exercising bad taste.  WTF?

    "I don't think he should be restricted from flying the flag, but I think it is a breach of good taste."

    In other flag news the perpetrators who placed the bleached out American flags (white), on the brooklyn bridge have come out.But the artists,

    Mischa Leinkauf and Matthias Wermke, say the flags -- with hand-stitched stars and stripes, all white -- had nothing to do with terrorism. In a series of phone interviews, they explained that they only wanted to celebrate "the beauty of public space" and the great American bridge whose German-born engineer, John Roebling, died in 1869 on July 22, the day the white flags appeared.


    I wonder how much $$$ the NYPD et al. spent on this folly?

    And, no doubt NYPD overtime was triple clocked in order to find the terrorists.


    All the king's horses and all the king's men (none / 0) (#45)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 10:25:05 AM EST
    and all of Amerika's intelligence/industrial complex apparatus...

    didn't notice the coincidence of Roebling's deathday with the date of the flagging.


    Silly Mr. Natty... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 11:10:33 AM EST
    These people are like creationists...god created heaven and a police state called earth on 9/11/01....that's their Genesis.  That's the dawn of their "civilization".  Roebling may as well be a brontosaurus as far as NYPD "Intelligence" is concerned.

    German security recorded HRC conversation (none / 0) (#60)
    by Politalkix on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 07:10:39 PM EST