Clippers Owner Banned from NBA for Life

The NBA has banned Clippers owner Donald Sterling for life for his comments about African Americans.

Article 35 of the NBA Constitution...allows the commissioner to indefinitely suspend owners for "conduct prejudicial or detrimental to the association."

Sterling was also fined $2.5 million.

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    Of all the things this dude said (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 02:30:48 PM EST
    I found this most interesting-

    -- who makes the game? Do I make the game, or do they make the game?

    He doesn't say.  But I would love to hear him asked if he actually  believes what this seems to suggest he believes.

    of course he thinks HE makes the game (none / 0) (#5)
    by Dadler on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 02:41:43 PM EST
    if it weren't for him, the sun wouldn't rise.

    basketball, sheesh, that only exists because he can rake all that money by only renting to honkies with good credit.


    And Koreans... (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 02:50:57 PM EST
    they're even better than whitey as serfs in Sterling-World...too timid and docile to complain, they just pay the rent to the lord.

    The abuse of illegals (none / 0) (#53)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:24:00 AM EST
    is the worst. They are afraid to report anything, so just pay whatever is demanded of them.

    OTOH what sane decent person gets into low income housing? We do want low income housing to exist, but its profitable only to the dishonest and heartless.


    I don't think so... (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:38:53 AM EST
    low income housing is profitable...my landlady makes a profit and the rent is very reasonable.  But she is not greedy...that's the rub.  

    Profitable vs. Obscenely Profitable...the plague of greed.


    Sterling has a history (none / 0) (#42)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 10:48:15 PM EST
    A former partner of mine sued him for his failure to have operating smoke detectors in apartments.

    During his deposition, Sterling was asked about the smoke detectors not working and he said, "So what?"  A jury in LA awarded about $16 million in punitive damages.....The trial judge granted Sterling's motion for new trial....The Judge said Sterling's comments were crude but did not evidence malice at the time of the actual events but were made later.

    So, Sterling dodged that bullet.

    Sterling's face has been frequently found in full page ads in the LA Times as receiving  humanitarian of the year awards.  The deal with such awards, however, is that charities give them to people who can raise a lot of funds for the charity at the awards banquet.  The awards are routinely bought as standard practice for charities.   That is probably why the NAACP was going to give him an award.  


    Reputation laundering (none / 0) (#47)
    by ZtoA on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:11:37 AM EST
    The dark underbelly of private charity (none / 0) (#50)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:30:00 AM EST
    A good example of the shortcomings of private charity, and why we should never give more than a nanosecond of time to the Libertarian concept that private charity can replace government programs....

    I don't know... (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:43:36 AM EST
    the underbelly of private charity reminds me of government...collecting money for advertised noble goals, then turning around and only allocating a small percentage to those noble goals, while the rest goes to unsavory things and to line connected pockets.  

    Not to mention the quid pro quo "pay for play" aspects that are also quite similar.


    True, but at least we get (none / 0) (#75)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:46:36 AM EST
    to vote for those who control government.

    We don't get to vote for moguls who control the money....and private charity.


    Oh yes, the precious vote! (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:58:22 AM EST
    "The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don't have to waste your time voting"

    - Charles Bukowski

    otoh, billionaires don't have arrest powers, war powers, legislative powers.  And they've bought and paid for our government, vote or no vote.


    It is precious (none / 0) (#81)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:00:47 AM EST
    That is what the Voting Rights Act was all about.

    No, the system is not perfect....But the Libertarian dog-eat-dog, survival of the fittest is worse....not even a pretense of democracy or votes....might makes right.


    Jeff in Alabama... (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:27:06 AM EST
    taught me I lean more towards anarcho-syndicalist...but I'm not rigid, I'm a stew guy...borrow the best from all the philosophies and systems and leave the rest.  

    Even the conservatives have a good idea once in a blue;)



    Power vacuum (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:27:43 PM EST
    If you do not have governments, then you have the powerful (rich) directly controlling everything.....

    That is why some Republicans like Libertarianism.


    Yes, I reluctantly admit... (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:05:19 PM EST
    the human race is not ready for the ideal state of anarchism...serious evolution is required.  

    That does not mean we can't get down on some more social libertarianism in our stew while we wait.


    Yes billionaires do.. (none / 0) (#92)
    by jondee on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:35:46 AM EST
    they've just contracted the work out.

    To paraphrase Voltaire, if the Federal government --as it currently operates -- didn't exist. rich Libertarians would have to invent it.


    Exactly... (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:39:42 AM EST
    contract work overseen by our "elected representation".  We already are kinda living in the libertarian dystopian nightmare you guys are always warning me about, only the private security forces are considered "public servants".  It's all a bloody farce...the few bones thrown to the proles aside.

    even Bukowski was forced (none / 0) (#94)
    by jondee on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:38:23 AM EST
    to pay his bar tab.

    Yeah but... (none / 0) (#98)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:51:27 AM EST
    he got buy-backs! ;)

    Most common reason for (none / 0) (#54)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:30:24 AM EST
    a smoke detector in a public place not working, people like to smoke and don't like the alarm going off so they disconnect them or break them.

    One place I worked it was a constant job of maintenance repairing damaged alarms, as in weekly in some areas. Nobody ever reported them as broken either, had to inspect and test as the breaking could be sophisticated like taping over a vent, or just chewing gum jammed in.


    This was a private residence (none / 0) (#79)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:55:05 AM EST
    The jury told Sterling he better be concerned about smoke detectors....and this was an upscale complex....

    Same thing (none / 0) (#91)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:31:53 AM EST
    People want to smoke, disable the smoke detector. A good quality smoke detector costs maybe $50 and lasts 5 to 10 years, some need an annual battery change.

    Without lots more detail it isn't clear if he did anything wrong, or the person living there was to blame.

    I don't believe in "skim and condemn", either fully inform yourself about the details, or give them very little weight.


    Can't. Stop. Laughing... (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by Anne on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:10:18 AM EST

    Hang on, almost there...

    Okay, phew...okay, better now.

    So, this has to be the Unintentionally Hilarious Comment of the Day - at least so far:

    either fully inform yourself about the details, or give them very little weight

    You do realize, don't you, that this is exactly why your comments are treated as so much piffle.

    No, you probably don't get that.  

    Never mind.


    Blaming the victim (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:42:50 PM EST
    Why would you automatically assume the victim was to blame?

    Here is an account of the verdict.

    Brian asked for $10 million in punitives and they awarded $15 million.   But the trial judge taketh away....

    Sterling is known far and wide as a creep.....


    Baloney (5.00 / 2) (#145)
    by sj on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 06:35:52 PM EST
    People want to smoke, disable the smoke detector.
    I know for a fact that my smoke detector will detect burnt toast, and will not go off when a cigarette (or two or even three) are lit.

    Better late than never (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by NYShooter on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 02:42:49 PM EST
    I would call it a "Sterling/Silver" decision.

    Being a jerk in private... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by citizenjeff on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 03:14:12 PM EST
    ...shouldn't be punishable, and even if it should/could be, what's wrong with people for failing to ALSO condemn the ex-mistress for violating Sterling's privacy, and for probably violating the law?

    Also, what Sterling said sure doesn't fit the dictionary definition of racist, and nobody has revealed what the common usage definition is that we should embrace here. Sterling doesn't say in the recorded conversation that he hates blacks or that he thinks blacks are inferior or that he thinks blacks should have less rights than anyone else. He only says he doesn't want to deal with the reaction he believes was or might be provoked by mixed-race photos his girlfriend published or might in the future publish. So what definition of racism supposedly applies to his comments?

    If the public found out a black business owner doesn't want whites to be in an advertisement for his business because he believes it would provoke a negative (or less than ideal) reaction from his black customers, would we define his position as racist? Is racism always a bad thing, or does it refer to any race-based decision, belief or policy that might be good or might be bad?

    My questions have nothing to do with anything Sterling might have said or done in the past.

    The girlfriend has been condemned (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 03:22:20 PM EST
    By some with tons of credibility on the subject --

    Donald Trump echoed the sentiments of outrage expressed by many in response to racist remarks allegedly made by Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling, but adding that the woman who recorded the conversation is "the girlfriend from hell."

    Speaking with Fox News on Monday, Trump called Sterling's comments "despicable," referencing the 15-minute conversation with then-girlfriend V. Stiviano in which the Clippers owner made several disparaging comments toward African-Americans. However, Trump added that while Sterling's comments deserved punishment, he said the Clippers owner was set-up by his "very bad girlfriend."

    "He got set up by a very, very bad girlfriend, let's face it," Trump told "Fox & Friends" of Clippers owner Donald Sterling.

    "She's called the girlfriend from hell, but what he said was terrible and despicable and very strong action is going to be taken. There's no question about it," Trump said of Sterling's girlfriend. "She's a terrible human being and he gave horrible answers and disgusting answers".

    This quote doesn't include the part where he suggested the something to the effect that the worst judgement he showed was not being smart enough to not let her set him up.


    The Donald Knows from girlfriend issues (none / 0) (#64)
    by scribe on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 05:46:20 AM EST
    A friend of a friend, back in the day, had to help keep the Ivana and the Marla from running into each other.  Quite entertaining stories, those.

    Sterling's comments... (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 03:34:08 PM EST
    were bigoted, not racist.

    See the court transcripts in the housing discrimination case for examples of his straight-up racism.


    The NSA... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 03:31:03 PM EST
    ain't got nuthin' on a woman scorned!

    Worth noting I think that there is a lot of creepy in how Sterling finally got his karmic due...it's just not cool to record somebody without their knowledge, even first degree arseholes.  It takes an arsehole to out an arsehole I guess...court transcripts just don't pack the same punch as a home-version wiretap hatchet job.

    Will we ever hear the full story? (1.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Mikado Cat on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 06:50:07 PM EST
    I watched the longer 15 min clip, but late at night so no sound, only transcript. My impression was that this was a small part of a larger perhaps ongoing discussion between them. It seems like prior to the edited portion released it was much more heated, then his POS mistress guides him into the section that was released inserting the term "black men".

    However bad Sterling is, which I suggest ethically we don't know yet, she is worse, a total POS.


    Ah, Mikado, ah misogyny.... (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by christinep on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 09:08:16 PM EST
    So--the billionaire has a history of use with regard to blacks, women, and whatever else he can buy.  Now, he dodders and sputters ... and says, without inhibition, what he really thinks about those he bought and would try to sell.  And, you say that the woman is a POS.  What a conclusion ... and what does that say about you!?!

    I think, quite frankly, that it must be quite difficult for those of your persuasion to witness the uncovering within the week of both billionaires Clive Bundy and Donald Sterling.  Two bigots, two racists ... hiding behind their $$$$ until now.  It is ugly to look at (isn't it?)


    Terrible (none / 0) (#55)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:37:58 AM EST
    Way worse than Oprah being offered the $25k purse instead of the $35k purse.

    Both recordings edited to enhance racist content. If Bundy was a Billionaire has cattle would graze where they please and the government would stay off his back.

    This new flavor of freedom speech, unless its not PC or you get fried, doesn't appeal to me. All it does is make people who hate shut up about it, and I would rather know what people think regardless of what it is.


    I feel sorry for the girlfriend... (none / 0) (#82)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:06:15 AM EST
    and I don't...the way Sterling treats her like another possesion to "own" like a basketball team is disgusting, yet she willingly chose to sell her soul to this sc*mbag.  She's certainly got the looks to find a better class of sugar-daddy if that's the life she wants...what gives?

    I'm thinking they deserved each other.


    And what full story could you possibly (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 10:12:02 PM EST
    hear that would satisfy you, or change how anyone perceives either of the two main participants in this sordid series of events?

    People hear "23 yr old young woman, 80 yr old married man" and no one's thinking this is going to be a family-friendly, PG-rated kind of thing, they're thinking, "she's a gold-digger, he's a creep."

    And that's without knowing anything else.

    If she's a "POS," what do you call the married man who's keeping her?  If she's a "POS," what do you call the old man who doesn't want his barely legal, mixed-race mistress being seen in public with black people?

    Are you going to argue that this woman's charms were such that she got her sugar daddy to be someone he isn't, or to say things he doesn't believe?  Or is your problem that the NBA isn't allowing Sterling to be who he is?  

    Sterling's a slumlord; I think we have a pretty good idea exactly what kind of person he is.

    Good Lord, is there anything but pieces of sh!t here?

    Donald Sterling, as a team owner, is a signatory to the NBA constitution; he knows what the rules are.  His "girlfriend" is about to find out that her 15 minutes of fame aren't going to be much fun.

    The whole thing just makes my skin crawl.


    The whole thing disgusts me (none / 0) (#59)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 03:06:12 AM EST
    but now that its all over the news, I would like to know the context of the discussion. This doesn't sound like a one off spat, it sounds like a long brewing situation between them.

    I don't even feel comfortable discussing it without a full transcript of the part that has been released as a reference. As I recall he is complaining that she likes to fight, to provoke a fight with him, and it seems like some sort of fight immediately precedes the what was released.

    The "incendiary" part is where he complains that her posing with and showing up at games with black men is causing him some kind of trouble, that he gets calls about it. I'd like to know what is going on with that.

    The whole is it his view or somebody elses view I would like to see clarified.

    Is she doing something just to provoke him or what?

    Seems odd to me that any real racist would be fooling around with a black woman and in a business dominated by black players. Simple hillbilly racists avoid the people they are supposed to hate.

    How much of this reaction is about Sterlings race, would it be news if he was some other race?


    If you're not comfortable discussing (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by Anne on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 06:22:08 AM EST
    it without a full transcript, then stop discussing it.

    There, problem solved.

    Mostly what it seems like you are doing is trying to find a way to prove that somehow this 23-yr old made Sterling into something he isn't - as if his body of work shouldn't have given you some clues.

    Oh, wait - I keep forgetting: you have an answer for everything.

    So, here: chew on this, and then come back and talk to us about "context" and how the mistress "made" Donald Sterling into something you're not convinced he is.

    In case you don't feel like going to the link, here's a preview:

    In 2006, the Department of Justice brought housing-discrimination charges against Sterling for allegedly refusing to rent to African-Americans at his Los Angeles residential complexes. The suit was settled three years later for a record $2.75 million, with Sterling avoiding an admission of liability.

    In sworn testimony, one of Sterling's top property supervisors Sumner Davenport claimed he made racist comments about black people living in one of the buildings he had just acquired:

    "That's because of all the blacks in this building, they smell, they're not clean. ... And it's because of all of the Mexicans that just sit around and smoke and drink all day."

    Davenport also told a story about Sterling saying "just evict the b----" when a black tenant complained about water damage (via ESPN's Peter Keating):

    "Kandynce Jones' refrigerator dripped, her dishwasher was broken, and her apartment was always cold. Now it had flooded. Davenport reported what she saw to Sterling, and according to her testimony, he asked: 'Is she one of those black people that stink?' When Davenport told Sterling that Jones wanted to be reimbursed for the water damage and compensated for her ruined property, he replied: 'I am not going to do that. Just evict the b**.'"

    ::rolling eyes::


    Not impressed (2.67 / 3) (#95)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:39:33 AM EST
    DOJ and other groups regularly shake down people and businesses who would rather settle than litigate.

    Classic example of the prosecutorial misconduct discussed in another thread.


    "guides" him?? (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by ZtoA on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:14:51 AM EST
    He brought it up. He was mad that she associated with her own race in public. Poor little billionaire. He couldn't be as bad as "that woman"!

    Why do Conservatives (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:27:43 AM EST
    try to make excuses for this guy.

    Is it that they secretly agree if he is racist he must be one of theirs and they have to circle the wagons a la Bundy?

    Perhaps it is more he is one of theirs because he is rich.....and he is literally a Republican.


    Why (3.50 / 2) (#60)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 03:11:15 AM EST
    do Liberals blinding attack and condemn from an edited tape?

    Short memory maybe, but smearing someone as a racist is part of the new media. We need a disclaimer at the bottom of the screen, "content edited to make it news and racist sounding".

    My view is that if it feels like a smear campaign, maybe it is.


    My view ... (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 06:44:33 AM EST
    ... is that if it sounds like someone trying to rationalize racism and attack the single mistress rather than the married man, it probably is.

    You and El Rusbo (none / 0) (#78)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:53:25 AM EST
    It really mystifies me....There is no conservative principle at stake here....conservatives should condemn the remarks and move on....

    Why politicize this?  Why create a scenario where liberals condemn racism and conservatives are defending a racist....why do that to yourselves....

    I guess the answer is that conservatives just can't help it....it is their nature...


    Stewart (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:09:40 AM EST
    I think it was made a good point which is, we seem to have done a good job of teaching people that racism is bad and a bad job of teaching them what racism actually IS.
    Which allows morons like Sterling and Bundy to whiningly reject the idea they are racists, because they know being a racist is a bad thing, in spite of being  caught on tape spewing the most ignorant racist bile imaginable.

    Lots of good punditry... (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:36:40 AM EST
    out there asking the question "why are we outraged by bigoted remarks, but not bothered nearly as much by racist actions?"

    It's an excellent question. Sterling's actions as a slumlord and NBA owner should stir the outrage, not an audio taped lover's quarrel containing bigoted remarks.


    You must have ZERO (none / 0) (#99)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:05:31 AM EST
    imagination, or no memory of real racism.

    We just had a day of Holocaust memory, rounding people up by race and killing them factory style.

    Opinion without hatred or animosity isn't racism, its opinion.


    Racism is an idea (5.00 / 4) (#114)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:23:09 PM EST
    ...that someone is inferior or to be stereotyped by race....

    What you described is murder.


    I remember when Rush (none / 0) (#105)
    by jondee on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:23:29 AM EST
    said he had an office bet going on how many women at Coretta Scott King's funeral would get picked up and give birth in nine months..

    That loathsome garbage from the mouth of arguably the most indispensable voice in today's conservative movement..


    A "POS"? Seriously? (none / 0) (#28)
    by Yman on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 07:02:53 PM EST
    1.  You have no idea who leaked the tape.

    2.  The woman you're condemning as a "total POS" says she didn't leak the tape, and it's obvious from the tape that she's not the only one present.

    3. "Ethically" we don't know how bad Sterling is, yet?  Why is that?  I agree he might have said or done things that are worse than the comments he made on the tape, but those comments are more than enough for him to deserve the condemnation he is receiving.

    4.  Even if she leaked the tape, how does that make her worse than Sterling, "a total POS"?

    He is married (none / 0) (#30)
    by Mikado Cat on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 07:10:58 PM EST
    she is a mistress that took millions from him, and assumed did something in return for it, tells him he is not a racist, and leads him into a conversation that wrecks his life.

    Get a clue, her hands are NOT clean, she is being sued by his wife for $2 million.


    No one claimed she had ... (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Yman on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 07:25:19 PM EST
    ... clean hands, bu

    All of which doesn't change the fact that:

    1.  You still don't know who leaked the tape.
    2.  We do know what Sterling said.
    3.  She "took millions from him"?  Based on what?  Is this more of the mind-reading skills you used when you claimed the earlier part of the conversation was "much more heated" - you know, ... the part that wasn't part of the recording but that you're just imagining?
    4.  Where did the "millions" figure come from and how did she "take it", exactly?  Don't you mean he gave her millions?

    It's funny how conservatives are soooo much more upset by the recording and release of an allegedly private conversation.  Makes you wonder why ...

    Not to mention that they've done a one-eighty since Linda Tripp's 15 minutes ...


    Conservatives (5.00 / 5) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 08:26:16 PM EST
    are upset because a lot of them sound like Sterling in their private conversations.

    Private ain't what it used to (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 08:38:08 PM EST
    Strictly (none / 0) (#56)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:41:51 AM EST
    Libertarian on this one.

    She was there and leading the conversation. I don't see any reason to think she didn't do it purposefully.

    We know, PART, of what was said, not the context, not how it was lead into, not close to what I would condemn someone with.

    Google the suit against here, it should fill in some holes.


    BTW (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 06:40:51 AM EST
    What "context" that would justify Sterling's comments?

    I already read it (none / 0) (#66)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 06:37:35 AM EST
    It's almost as funny as your other, silly theories.

    Funny how the thought of having their private conversations revealed scares conservatives and some "libertarians" so much more than actual racism ...


    BTW - very telling (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Yman on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 07:29:25 PM EST
    Your very first point in claiming that she is worse than Sterling is to condemn her because she is a mistress, as opposed to him - the one who is actually married.

    Conservatives (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 08:27:25 PM EST
    believe have very weird beliefs when it comes to women.  

    When you are (none / 0) (#57)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:47:40 AM EST
    a rich 80 year old man, there are plenty of POS walking around to take advantage of you. Perhaps you don't understand how human beings work, but most are easy prey to the right kind of flattery and attention.

    Seems he put his trust in this woman, allowed himself to be intimate and vulnerable, and almost certainly she is stabbing him in the back.


    And when you're a young aspiring model... (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:16:36 PM EST
    there are plenty of senior citizen rich dudes walking around ready to take advantage of you.

    Maybe they took advantage of each other, eh?


    The trophy mistress (none / 0) (#137)
    by jondee on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:27:47 PM EST
    an age-old vanity project of rich old fools..

    "Bunny Lebowski is the light of my life. Do my tears surprise you, sir?"


    Ohhhh, the poor BAY-bee ... (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 05:52:21 PM EST
    When you are a young, attractive woman, there are plenty of POS, rich older men willing to take advantage of you.  Perhaps you don't understand how human beings work, but most are easy prey to the right kind of flattery and attention.

    Hey, ... that was easy.

    As far as what it "seems" like to you, ... blah, blah, blah.  The racist, married white guy caught on tape should be defended because we haven't heard the full tape, while the young woman should be attacked because you assume facts that aren't established and can read her mind.  Not to mention the fact that she's at fault for having a relationship with him, despite the fact that he's the one who is married.

    Almost as bad as the silly fairy tale you spun about the apartment fire lawsuit, which has already been disproved by the facts established at trial.  But the fact that you said this while spinning the silly fairy tale:

    I don't believe in "skim and condemn", either fully inform yourself about the details, or give them very little weight.

    ... is seriously funny.


    Maybe his mistress (none / 0) (#148)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:46:09 PM EST
    is stabbing him in the back...

    So what?  

    The issue is him, not her.    


    The wife (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 08:22:03 PM EST
    is claiming that the mistress took millions in her lawsuit. Of course she is going to claim they were "taken". If they were gifts the wife would have no claim on them I would imagine. The mistress is saying they were gifts which is probably likely in this case. It's pretty common it seems for mistresses to get very expensive presents.

    The wife (none / 0) (#71)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:21:43 AM EST
    "...it's obvious from the tape... (none / 0) (#46)
    by citizenjeff on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:34:22 AM EST
    ...that she's not the only one present."

    It is? At what point(s) of the tape? Would love to know/hear what you're talking about. Thanks.


    Its not clear (none / 0) (#58)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:50:27 AM EST
    At some point the woman says something like "just turn it on" that I recall being muffled or away from the microphone.

    I saw a fox and friends segment (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 06:58:50 AM EST
    Where they said he told her to record him because he "forgot things".  Now, granted it was fox and friends but .....

    Ah, Fox and Friends (none / 0) (#147)
    by NYShooter on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:12:17 PM EST
    so perfectly defined by Charlie Pierce:

    "Fox And Friends makes every species on the planet dumber just by its presence in the biosphere. I blame it for birds that fly into windows."


    Then listen ... (none / 0) (#142)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 05:50:41 PM EST
    .. to the tape.  About 35 seconds into the tape you can hear her asking someone else if she has a key, then about a minute into it you can hear her talking to someone ("Lucy"?).

    Not clear it was without his knowledge (none / 0) (#24)
    by JayBat on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 05:57:55 PM EST
    According to TMZ (big FWIW) the recordings were done at Sterling's request. Sounds crazy, but hey, Richard Nixon, right?

    People like this literally believe there is absolutely nothing wrong with what they are saying and doing.


    That would be odd... (none / 0) (#74)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:45:56 AM EST
    but I suppose it's possible...stranger things have happened.

    How you know that this married man (none / 0) (#40)
    by ZtoA on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 09:30:17 PM EST
    "scorned" his mistress? By insisting that she not bring anyone of her race to a game or even be seen with them? Are you saying this is why she felt "scorned"?

    The reason for feeling scorned... (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:49:47 AM EST
    I have no idea...Sh*t hanging out with this f*ckin' guy would be enough to scorn me!

    I was just assuming it had to be the girlfriend or the wife who released the tape...I could be way off.  Time will tell, or not.  


    I made the same assumptions (none / 0) (#85)
    by ZtoA on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:07:17 AM EST
    and then checked in to see why I made those assumptions. Didn't like what I found.

    Any wild speculative theories... (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:28:27 AM EST
    as to who released the tape if not one of the women in the Sterling Sh*t's life?  All I can come up with is somebody who maybe had eyes on owning the team, or another enemy of which I am sure there is no shortage.  But who else would have access to the audio?  Besides the NSA of course;)

    Could be (none / 0) (#102)
    by ZtoA on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:13:36 AM EST
    If you are still saying "scorned" then the wife possibly, They have been married a long time and she runs the team but she has a lot to lose here. He is a "player" and is horribly obvious about it. But why assume the girlfriend is "scorned"?  Evidently this guy was outed as a racist many years ago. These kinds of things tend to come to light with a track record like that.

    Somebody gotta be feelin' scorned... (none / 0) (#104)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:20:57 AM EST
    to release that tape to TMZ...gotta be scorn/revenge or money right? And none of the known players here (Sterling, Mrs. Sterling, Girlfriend Sterling) are hurting for money for that to be the angle.

    Unless the landscaper or housekeeper found the tape and sold it, that would be for money or money & scorn.  I mean we know he doesn't treat his employees like human beings, nor his ladyfriends for that matter.


    I suppose HE is feelin it (none / 0) (#107)
    by ZtoA on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:30:49 AM EST
    So many people in his life (his 'loved ones') ready to expose more of his racism and how he tries to dominate and control everyone he knows, and not just the general public.

    I hear that... (none / 0) (#111)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:40:19 AM EST
    my 90 year old great-uncle who I help care is a total bigot.  I love him but don't really like him...and though I find his bigoted views deplorable, I'd never pull a stunt like this on him.  It's just not righteous, even if the end result is cool (karma for Sterling), I'm not a big end justifies the means guy.  

    I like the view from the high road and try to stay on it...to varying degrees of success;)


    Sorry (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:25:48 PM EST
    I honestly don't think your uncle who needs your care is even comparable to this billionaire bigot who thinks he "makes the game"

    From the ONION

    Donald Sterling: 'Well, Time To Go Off Somewhere And Die'


    Unc has no power... (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:37:34 PM EST
    so yeah, different league...but the same sport of bigotry.  

    I've tried to educate him a little but this old dog ain't got no new tricks in him.  When he goes off on a bigoted rant when I'm cleaning his crib or cooking him dinner all I've got left is "I don't wanna hear that sh*t Unc, stfu or I'm leaving!" I'm almost glad he don't get out much no more, because his bigotry would embarass the sh*t outta me in public.  

    It's such a shame too because he has a basically good heart and many redeeming qualities...but the bigotry buries all that.  Family...what can ya do, gotta love him and care for him but don't have to like him.


    You Are A Good Man Kdog! (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:43:26 PM EST
    And it also shows that people have many facets, often with big contradictions. I have been around people who would cut off their hand, if it would help you, yet spout the nastiest racist spews imaginable.

    I am sure that you are at least making little cracks for the light to shine in by being there for your great-unc.


    I did have success... (none / 0) (#122)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:55:16 PM EST
    with my dear departed dad...he was always down on the jewish people, which was so odd because it was so out of character for him, one of the finest human beings I'll ever know.

    After some long talks I was able to make him understand that he really didn't hate jews, he was just an anti-zionist as I am, and that has nothing to do with the jewish people in general. In fact many jewish people the world over agree with us that zionism is wrong. He finally got it.

    We did and do share the shame prejudices against rich old white people, police, politicians, prosecutors to name a few groups we pre-judge...eternal vigiliance to at least be aware of one's prejudices, and try to evolve.  I've still got mad work to do, as my comment history indicates;)


    You don't have to have anything against... (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by unitron on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:27:45 PM EST
    ...Jews in general to think that smack dab in the Middle East was a really stupid place to put the most recent version of Israel if what they were really after was, as a character in a novel said, "A place where it's safe for a Jew to be a Jew".

    See, this is why I keep (none / 0) (#130)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:30:03 PM EST
    after you re prosecutors.and law enforcement (not to whitewash them all).

    If you think I'm bad now.... (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:36:27 PM EST
    you shoulda been here on TL ten years ago! ;)

    Kudos to you especially for keeping me mindful of my prejudices.  


    I am still smiling over your comparison (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:14:08 PM EST
    of my joy at acquiring a beautiful piano to your joy at acquiring a new bong. Can't decide if the seller would appreciate your reaction.

    Comparison (none / 0) (#117)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:36:29 PM EST
    With all due respect to you bigoted great-uncle, and hats off to you for loving him, it is not reasonable to compare him to someone who is a public figure. A public figure has power and influence, and when he or she speaks many are hurt and or empowered.

    IOW public figures need to use their power responsibly, when they don't they face censure or worse.

    Even if his comments were private, he still has a responsibility if the comments get leaked. That is the price paid going the path of accumulating public power, imo.


    I don't know Squeak... (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:46:53 PM EST
    I think every human being, from the president and his billionaire bosses to the homeless, has the right to a private conversation.  Especially with their lover.  It's a d*ck move to betray confidence.

    OK (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:15:20 PM EST
    Better put this way... when someone successfully strives to gain power and is in the public eye, when they f'up... they have to be prepared to take the consequences if their public catches wind.

    From what I understand, he does not appear to care much about who hears or sees his bad behavior.

    This is partly why few have any sympathy for him.

    And yet, while Sterling may be barred from associating with the team, there is no sign that he is about to disassociate himself from his views. According to Silver, Sterling did not express remorse; instead, he said that the remarks, caught on tape, accurately reflect Sterling's beliefs.

    There was not, as is often the case after some racially painful public comment, any pretense that Sterling had been misunderstood, or that he had misspoken--or that anything could or should be done about that. As with the responses to so many others who express similarly unsavory views--most recently the cattle farmer Cliven Bundy, who wondered if folks like me weren't better off during slavery--nothing that I can decipher addresses their deeply held positions, or the divisions and inequalities they attempt to rationalize.



    That's fine with me... (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:20:39 PM EST
    as long as we acknowledge how we got wind was pretty nefarious in and of itself.

    Unless the Nixon theory is true, and Sterling recorded himself, then he's an idiot and a bigot.

    The NBA and we the people had wind of his slumlord racism, and Elgin Baylor's lawsuit...and former Commish Davis Stern did d*ck in the consequence department.  And the only reason there are consequences now is because of money.


    I mentioned someplace else in (none / 0) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:22:45 PM EST
    This thread.  Fox and friends said he had told her to record him because he tended to forget stuff.

    I do understand your point (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:56:26 PM EST
    I have more than one, heck more than 10, relatives I would not want to have to excuse to educated civilized people but that I care for and believe that somewhere in there you could find a very good human being if you scrape away enough fear hate and bile.
    In their case I think it is really cultural.  Most of them have never been more that 100 miles from the spot where my butt is currently planted.  They have never had exposure to other races other religions other people.  They certainly never had a vast fortune with to enrich themselves.  Sterling had all those things.  His prejudice is an educated choice.

    A big hint (none / 0) (#61)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 03:16:51 AM EST
    is the recording being released, it burns her bridges. The suit by the wife is likely ending the big gifts. I don't see it as being a big mystery regarding the recording, its likely everyone knows by now who made it and who did the leaking.

    I'd be happy to be totally wrong. Full disclosure is what I would like at this point, anything but mob justice and a lynching.


    Woke this morning and checked my Twitter feed (none / 0) (#87)
    by ZtoA on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:10:08 AM EST
    Might (none / 0) (#108)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:33:04 AM EST
    have been funny if Onion had listened to the tape and commented on its actual content. They do what many are doing, take what Sterling says about a situation he observes as his own view.

    Huh? (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by ZtoA on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:28:56 PM EST
    I really don't understand you. Are you saying that when he said he did not want his girlfriend to be seen in public with a black man that this was NOT his "own view"?

    You may view it as burning her bridges, (none / 0) (#97)
    by Anne on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:49:47 AM EST
    but who knows what goes through the mind of someone her age who thought it was a good idea to have an 80-yr old "boyfriend?"  

    I can come up with any number of possibilities for why - if she was behind the release - she wouldn't have seen it as burning her bridges; given all the other creative suppositions you've been throwing around, I'm kind of surprised you can't.

    Here are a few words from Charlie Pierce on the NBA and Donald Sterling:

    First of all, Donald Sterling has been an open pustulation on the National Basketball Association since back in the days when nobody cared about the league at all. This was a camel with a full load of straw on its back long before his girlfriend pulled a Gordon Liddy on him last week. The fact that, now, the NBA has decided that it has stood all it can stand and it can't stands no more prompts me, again, to associate myself with the remarks of Mr. Rock of Brooklyn. This is a problem the NBA should have cleaned up decades ago. If you believe that is unfair to Mr. Silver, I suggest you take your argument up with Bernard Cardinal Law, now presiding at the Basilica of Our Lady of the Clean Getaway in Rome.

    Secondly, let's see how it all shakes out regarding the NBA's attempt to force Sterling to sell his team. (The NBA players association is demanding a timetable, which is the way you pursue an advantage.) A sensible person would take his eleventy-thousand percent markup and run like a thief. Sterling, however, is demonstrably not sensible. I think he might arrange to live to be 180 if he thought he could beat the league in court. We will have to see.


    Last, OK, what have we all learned? Plutocrats think badly of everyone who is not one of them. (Check out Dave D'Allessandro's survey of Sterling's fellow owners. These are not social democrats here.) They consider those people to be lesser members of the species. Sometimes, this is expressed in racist terms. This is the way of the world in 2014. You're just not supposed to put it in the street this way. When Silver moves on the DeVos family for financing anti-gay bigotry on a nationwide basis, y'all can get back to me.

    Actually (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:10:20 AM EST
    she may have a new bridge already built, maybe with someone who would like to buy the Clippers, or has some personal beef with Sterling. Maybe she is using the tape as a kick off looking for something better, reality TV, whatever pays the bills.

    Back in the day (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by scribe on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 06:17:05 PM EST
    David Letterman - this is back when he was still on NBC - had a bit around Christmas about Banned for Life Action FiguresTM.

    That year, the new figures were of Pete Rose and Michael Ray Richardson (the link provided for those who've forgotten already).  I guess this year we can add Mr. Sterling to the collection.

    Sterling will make (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by KeysDan on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:49:14 PM EST
    another $billion, if forced to sell right away. He paid, according to the Washington Post, $12.7 million and is likely to sell for upwards of a billion.  But, he will have to pay capital gains (23.8 percent).   He can escape much of it by "bequeathing" it to his daughter, on the step-up-basis.   Of course, the hitch in that plan is that he must bequeath it.

    HA (none / 0) (#135)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:15:36 PM EST
    Well it is not impossible that this all could have be a very grand way of backing into a sale to generate some cash and get his estate tied up.

    Colbert (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 06:30:07 PM EST
    "Banned for life!
    Who knows how many months that might be? "

    Good on the new commish (none / 0) (#1)
    by Dadler on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 01:57:44 PM EST
    As an ardent Clipper hater (I bleed old-school Forum Blue and Gold), I applaud the commish for doing this before the Clips had to play at home under a cloud. Cloud is still there, but it's much less dark.

    Go Warriors!!

    The best the league could do... (none / 0) (#3)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 02:32:35 PM EST
    under their rules.

    But lets not kid ourselves, the punishment is about money, not morals.  The leage had a pr disaster on their hands and acted accordingly...but it's been an open secret for 30 years the guy was a racist & bigoted total douche, and the league did but nothing but maybe enable the bastard.


    can't disagree at all (none / 0) (#4)
    by Dadler on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 02:40:50 PM EST
    And that is why David Stern should take HUGE sh*t for that. And as a lifelong Forum Blu & Gold fan, I have to accept that the legendary Dr. Jerry Buss took money from that scumbag to help him buy the Lakers back in the day, both of them being SoCal real estate developers. And that explains why Buss tolerated Sterling's degenerate crap until the end.

    The NEW commish, tho, he left no doubt, so good on him.


    And the NAACP... (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 02:47:37 PM EST
    passing out awards to this guy for cash?  What a disgrace...

    Alotta villians in this case Dadler...too many to f*ckin' count really.  


    Witness Libertarian (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:43:22 AM EST
    concept of private charity at work.....

    Wow (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 04:05:45 PM EST
    I just finally saw the press announcement.
    Can't even go to NBA games.  Ouch.

    Yeah, but... (none / 0) (#15)
    by citizenjeff on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 04:12:46 PM EST
    ...how hard would it be for Sterling to wear Groucho Marx glasses and walk right in anyway?

    Yes, Sterling could go in disguise. (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by KeysDan on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:31:40 PM EST
    But, it had better be an operatic one.  In opera, any disguise works.  Appear as a pool table and no one questions it.  Otherwise, he is sunk.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 04:17:00 PM EST
    I was wondering how you really enforce that

    I do not think... (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 04:59:49 PM EST
    He will suffer the indignity of sitting in the nosebleeds with the unwashed middle class.

    Also (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 04:12:03 PM EST
    I think the guy had a pretty good answer for the FOX news reporter who asked if someone should lose their job for comments made in private -

    "Whether or not these views were initially shared in private they are now public and they represent his views "

    Hard to argue with that.

    And he ain't losing his job... (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 04:55:37 PM EST
    He is losing his hobby, more like an uber-elite country club membership than an occupation..nobody's next meal is at stake.

    Leave it to FOX.


    I wouldn't call it a hobby (none / 0) (#43)
    by CoralGables on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 10:57:43 PM EST
    He bought them for $12.5 million and is expected to get somewhere between $700 million and a $1 billion when sold depending on how many groups bid on the team.

    I heard some one suggest (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 11:05:33 PM EST
    That the players should buy the team.  Any sports fans have an opinion about that.  It seems like a great idea to me.  I'm sure they could afford it.

    Would never work (none / 0) (#45)
    by CoralGables on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 11:13:51 PM EST
    Hobbies can turn a profit... (none / 0) (#83)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:09:31 AM EST
    stamp collecting, refurbishing classic cars.

    He's on record for refusing to sell, that leads me to believe the Clippers are a hobby to Sterling, a trophy.  Not a "job".

    And when he bought in back in '81, there was no telling the team's value would grow like that.  The NBA was in the infancy stages of rebounding from their economic troubles in the 70's....then Magic & Bird saved the day for all the owners.


    One more random thought (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 04:30:16 PM EST
    If we are discussing race maybe we can wonder why 81% of NBA are players of color and the commissioner is white?

    Let's have more like the NBA (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by NYShooter on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 04:41:24 PM EST
    The NBA continued its leading position in the sports industry with its commitment to and record for racial and gender hiring practices during the 2011-2012 NBA season. The Report Card was released by The Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sport (TIDES) at the University of Central Florida.

    The NBA received an A+ for racial hiring practices, an A- for gender hiring practices, and an A for an overall grade. The NBA achieved the highest grade for racial hiring practices and overall combined grade in the history of men's professional sport with scores of 96.8 percent and 92.9 percent respectively.

    Try again


    Yeah (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 04:48:12 PM EST
    I read all that the same place I got the 81%.  

    Doesn't change the first question.


    Magic--but he probably (none / 0) (#52)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:45:32 AM EST
    doesn't want the job.

    Of all people to insult--Magic?  He is so well loved here....


    Yes - as Jon Stewart said (none / 0) (#63)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 05:45:29 AM EST
    A man so universally loved, even HIV backed down.

    Good one (none / 0) (#76)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:47:33 AM EST
    Never head that....

    Its about having money (none / 0) (#27)
    by Mikado Cat on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 07:00:46 PM EST
    and being willing to in most cases blow a ton of it to own a sports franchise. I would not call it a healthy expression of success.

    Why should team ownership reflect player demographics they have very little connection.


    Actually my comment was not about (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 07:34:58 PM EST
    Ownership.  It was about the commissioner.  I'm not criticizing the man BTW. I think he did what he needed to do and I'm sure he might be a fine commissioner.  

    Picking a commissioner (none / 0) (#103)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:14:58 AM EST
    is more like selecting a new Pope, qualifications for the job are vague, likely mostly about connections and personal opinions.

    Ohhhh man (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:59:46 PM EST
    I won't do it

    I won't




    now I feel better


    I think that Sterling (none / 0) (#18)
    by NYShooter on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 04:35:47 PM EST
    knew the game was over when none other than Donald Trump came to his aid.

    Not sure I would call this (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 04:40:15 PM EST
    Trump also called into question the mental state of Sterling, saying that he "seems close to incompetent."

    "I think he could be out of it, frankly, based on his actions," Trump said. "He could be pretty much out of it in terms of his whole mentality."

    Even for Donald Trump


    Sterling is a media (none / 0) (#29)
    by Mikado Cat on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 07:06:34 PM EST
    third rail right now. Nobody really knows anything and he has been banned for life, give it a few months in court and things could shift.

    Best comments I've seen were from Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

    He has much more to say, worth it to find a link to his full statement.


    The best comment I've heard (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 07:39:13 PM EST
    Was Bill Maher who tweeted

    Donald Sterling is 81. You know what will cure this type of racism? The flu. But Blake Griffin is 25, how do we cure him of Creationism?


    If Sterling (none / 0) (#62)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 03:22:38 AM EST
    dies from the flu, as master hater Maher suggests, then his wife would own the team, what then?

    "Master hater"? (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 06:48:15 AM EST
    Seriously?  Maher is a comedian making a joke, as opposed to someone who just hours ago called Sterling's girlfriend a "POS" and said she was worse than Sterling - all based on shear speculation about what he thinks happened, as opposed to what was actually caught on tape.

    Would love (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:13:46 AM EST
    To see what Maher could do with being called a "masterhater"

    The mind boggles


    Edited tape (none / 0) (#106)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:23:31 AM EST
    I don't put much weight in edited tapes, especially when the person being taped is obviously being lead to say some things in certain ways.

    She introduces the term "black man" he could just be repeating it. He could be using it because she chooses only black men.

    Seems like most just want to hate, and look for an opportunity and dump it on someone.


    Not the point (5.00 / 3) (#110)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:38:05 AM EST
    You call Maher a "master hater" for making a joke, while you (in all seriousness) call her a POS who is worse than Sterling, based on your own, speculative musings.  You attack her for having an affair while ignoring the fact that HE is the one who is married.  You say it's unethical to judge him because we haven't heard the entire recording, while attacking her as a POS for doing things that are based on nothing more than your own speculation.

    It's just funny.


    Maher was.not suggesting (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:15:30 AM EST
    It would solve the teams problem, only the worlds.

    The new McCarthy era begins (none / 0) (#109)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:37:33 AM EST
    "McCarthyism is a political ploy that wields accusations and shame without significant evidence"

    Can't wait for the official black listings.

    Do you mean your attacks ... (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:19:58 PM EST
    ... on the girlfriend?  Because the evidence against Sterling is significant.

    Not to mention the fact that, unlike McCarthy, there's no government action involved.  Just a private organization holding one of its own members accountable for the damage he caused through his own words.


    Gotta read up on Sterling Mikado... (none / 0) (#112)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:51:07 AM EST
    there is no shortage of evidence of racist discriminatory business practices that have nothing to do with his recently recorded bigotry.

    HHe's not banned for life for the tape...he was banned by the league to protect their profits and brand and appease their workforce and customers.  No McCarthyism to see here.  



    Its the NEW (none / 0) (#138)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:47:13 PM EST
    McCarthyism, works just like the old McCarthyism, but with less government and more media profits, same basic plan and results.

    Yes, in the new dystopian McCarthyism (5.00 / 3) (#139)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:53:29 PM EST
    People are called to answer for stuff they actually did.

    So the beleguered Sterlings and Tom Perkins (5.00 / 2) (#140)
    by jondee on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:56:12 PM EST
    of the world will have to scuffle and scramble to find work, just like so many of the victims of the first McCarthyism?

    It's a private matter... (none / 0) (#141)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 03:49:18 PM EST
    take it up with our corporate overlords, what can I tell ya?

    Getting blacklisted from the entire entertainment industry for your politics is a far cry from getting expunged from an exclusive 30 member club because you're a racist prick in my book, ymmv.


    Why Donald Sterling (none / 0) (#149)
    by jbindc on Thu May 01, 2014 at 09:22:16 AM EST
    Has $100 -$200 million reasons (or more) to fight the sale of his team.

    But there might be a way out for him (of course).

    And then, there are the legal / quasi legal arguments that the other owners will probably raise:

    While [Adam] Silver said he had not polled the owners, he expressed confidence there will be sufficient support to oust Sterlin[g]. Silver's bold prediction suggests he has the necessary votes. That said, expect there to be some debate among owners. No owner will defend Sterling's racism, but some might question whether article 13 and potentially other authorizing language was intended for this type of transgression. Expect some owners to raise the following four concerns:

    1. Neither the Clippers nor Sterling is in financial trouble. Article 13 was designed as an extraordinary remedy for such a problem -- not other problems. While sponsors have dropped their deals with the Clippers and players have contemplated boycotts, the team appears to be in strong financial shape with a deep-pocketed, if reviled, owner. There is no reason to believe that Sterling has committed financial fraud, and while he has been sued over allegations of race, those cases were either settled or unsuccessful.

    2. The Clippers are not run in a racist way. Sterling may be extremely bigoted and hold reprehensible views, but there is no reason to suspect that the team itself operates in a racist way. The current Clippers workplace appears to be a productive setting, devoid of allegations by players or other employees that they have experienced racism. Similarly, there are no reports that the Clippers have directed ticket sales and marketing efforts away from minority fans. As a franchise, the Clippers appear to be well-run, which would make it an unusual candidate for termination.

    3. Lack of 'morals clause'. Article 13 lists a series of enumerated wrongs, some of which are specific but none of which seem directly relevant to an owner whose racism expressed in a private conversation sparks national outrage. Some owners might argue that if the NBA wanted ouster as a remedy for a situation like this one, the constitution and bylaws' drafters would have included it. Along those lines, there is no "morals clause" in these documents that empowers the ousting an NBA owner. The absence of a morals clause, in contrast to the inclusion of other provisions, could suggest that such a clause was intentionally omitted.

    4. Precedent. While Sterling's actions seem unlikely to be replicated by another owner, some owners could worry that if they agree to oust Sterling, different situations might give rise to the same consequence for other owners. Once one owner is ousted, there is precedent to do it again. Mark Cuban recently voiced those exact concerns, calling the situation "a slippery slope."

    And what is not being mentioned (none / 0) (#150)
    by jbindc on Thu May 01, 2014 at 09:24:25 AM EST
    Is that Sterling, an attorney himself, could always sue the league, potentially opening up a whole other mess.

    Point 2... (none / 0) (#151)
    by kdog on Thu May 01, 2014 at 09:43:48 AM EST
    would be disputed by Elgin Baylor, all-time NBA great who once had the displeasure of working for Sterling.

    If Sterling hasn't taken his ownership (none / 0) (#152)
    by Anne on Thu May 01, 2014 at 10:11:38 AM EST
    of the team into account as part of his estate-planning, I would be shocked, especially because, from all accounts I've read, his interest has never really been in the team itself, but in the money and other perks that attend to being a sports team owner.

    I'm guessing he has lawyers and accountants who have been devoted to finding ways to minimize the present and future tax bills, including the consequences of selling the team during his lifetime.

    I have a couple problems with the article you linked to on the tax consequences of a forced sale and/or still owning the team at his death.  First of all, "the government" doesn't decide on the value of the team in Sterling's estate - the estate has an appraisal done (and it would be a doozy), and reports the value on the estate tax return.  That value can be challenged by the government - and you can be sure it would be, unless - and this is something else the article left out - he's married at the time of his death and has the ability - depending on the terms of his Will - to shelter his entire estate from taxation.  And of course, no one knows what Sterling's estate plan is - which is the real problem with "back of the envelope" calculations.

    Second, unless he directs the team be sold, there's nothing that says it would be sold at his death; that would be a decision for his estate's representatives, in accordance with the terms of the Will.

    "The heirs" don't owe any taxes - that's the estate's obligation, unless the team is held by a trust, and the Will specifies that the estate is responsible only for taxes on assets passing under the Will - in that case, the taxes would be an obligation of the trust(s).

    The bottom line here is that, yes, Sterling may care about the tax consequences of the various scenarios that are possible - but anyone who thinks he hasn't considered all of these possibilities, or that he doesn't have what amounts to a team of lawyers/accountants revising and updating those possibilities on an ongoing basis, doesn't know much about how hard the wealthy work to stay that way.

    All of this being said, I won't be shedding any tears over Sterling or his estate having to pay taxes on an investment that has grown from a paltry $12 million initial purchase to nearly a billion dollars.


    I don't think the article (none / 0) (#153)
    by jbindc on Thu May 01, 2014 at 11:47:14 AM EST
    is taking the position that he doesn't have a plan - just that it's going to take a huge chunk out of it.  And, since he still IS married (and lives in a community-property state) and in his 80s - it might be in his best interest to "run the clock out".

    If you read the other article from SI, you see there are lots of legal angles in this case, which will make it very interesting to watch over the next few months.


    I guess what bothered me is that (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by Anne on Thu May 01, 2014 at 12:38:54 PM EST
    when it comes to death and taxes, it's never as simple as the person who wrote that one article tried to make it.  And in trying to make it simple, sometimes the perception the reader gets isn't what it would be if he or she had more of the facts.

    But I guess that's true of pretty much everything we read and hear these days.  

    One thing's for sure: there's always work for the lawyers!


    Selfishly (none / 0) (#155)
    by jbindc on Thu May 01, 2014 at 01:06:39 PM EST
    I would LOVE if Sterling sued and there was an antitrust issue AND they did the document review here in DC.  I would sure love to read the docs of all the NBA owners and their staffs!

    Economic pressure will probably (none / 0) (#156)
    by MKS on Fri May 02, 2014 at 06:15:38 PM EST
    be more immediate and effective.

    The players and coaches can refuse to play for him.  The NBA can agree to let Clippers player move to other teams.  The NBA can decide to forfeit all Clippers games--next year.

    So, Sterling can agree to sell now or have a team worth bupkis in few months...And Sterling could realize gazillions of dollars in profits from a sale.

    And, Sterling knows this saying close to his heart:  money talks and b.s. walks...