Friday Night Open Thread

I've got the grill going (Asian Steak and Watermelon and Arugula Salad over rice noodles with peanuts on top).

What's on your agenda for this holiday weekend?

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Yum! (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by ZtoA on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 09:54:38 PM EST
    I'm going to bring dessert to the Ishtar Egg dinner at my sister's. I got all the ingredients for a cake and chocolate frosting. I'm going to try to make a Mondrian cake like this. Mine will most likely turn out to look like a Polluck but I can always to out to get another cake.

    Oh My (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:09:24 PM EST
    Sounds like a fun challenge.
    Sure, it took all weekend (no exaggeration). Yes, it is not healthy, nor is it cheap. Would I make it again? Only if I had a small army of worshipful assistants. But this cake gave me great satisfaction. I'd worked hard on a goal, and I had something tangible (and edible) to show for my efforts. I'd successfully avoided leaving the house all weekend. I had a new appreciation for Freeman and her fancy-pants art desserts, and I had an industrial-sized cake to call my own. Bon apétit.



    That is awesome (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Amiss on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 11:05:19 PM EST
    Please let us know the results. Those things are just a fantastic challenge to me, something I might enjoy when I feel better and have Notre stamina.

    ugh! (none / 0) (#63)
    by Amiss on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 11:06:56 PM EST
    more stamina

    My first attempt (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by ZtoA on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:42:22 AM EST
    This is not an easy cake to make! After constructing baking pans out of tin foil and hours of work I got a first draft. Learned from all my mistakes and if I ever make this again I'll do much better.

    Trying out thumbsnap for the first time. I don't know how to get the photos to load with the proper side up.





    Yum! (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by squeaky on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 12:06:47 PM EST
    Claes Oldenburg meets Mondrian!

    Bet it is scrumptious.


    Hahahaha (none / 0) (#145)
    by ZtoA on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 12:44:28 PM EST
    spot on! And I got a great laugh out of that!

    Impressive. How does it taste? (none / 0) (#137)
    by oculus on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:44:37 AM EST
    Thanks! It tasted really good (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by ZtoA on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 12:05:47 PM EST
    I used Paula Dean's pound cake recipe and the ganache is easy to make. I mean, it's pound cake and it's supposed to be unhealthy so her recipe looked good. But I'm no Sol Lewitt. I think I would do much better on second attempt. Plus the cake sat out during dinner so the ganache softened up and when slicing, the knife dragged some of the icing down onto the cake. My family got the joke right away tho and it all got et.

    That does sound good! (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 09:58:34 PM EST
    I was going to be doing some cooking, but a stray puppy showed up on my doorstep, so I'm working on creating spaces for all the 4 legged kids around here until I can find the puppy's parents . . . we won't talk about the other young dog I just saw running the 'hood. It's like "who let the dogs out?" around here today!

    Awsum (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:08:40 PM EST
    God loves dogs and the people who love them

    You would know ;) (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:24:22 PM EST
    O.M.G., this is the nicest puppy! Of course, we are prob also in a bit of a honeymoon phase. Downside is she has no respect for baby gates (my girl thinks you need to stay at least a foot away, lol!~) and when she drinks her water, she spills the whole bowl. My floors are going to be really clean :D

    My cats are looking at me like I have 4 heads that need to be destroyed and Shirley the Bird is vocalizing her dominance over every thing with 4 legs. My poor ears! But, puppy seems to have passed out :)


    Sounds Like You Have a New Dog (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:32:06 PM EST
    Although hard to imagine someone would let her go, as she is a beauty.

    I'm so hoping someone is looking for her (none / 0) (#20)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:39:48 PM EST
    I didn't realize it was a holiday weekend, so I've adjusted my thought process that her parents may not know she's gone until Sunday night/Mon AM. She's well cared for, right down to well groomed nails. I'm going to get her scanned tomorrow for a chip. She had a harness on but no tags :(

    She just doesn't want to let you out of her sight (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:37:56 PM EST
    Would you? Hears a tip for sloppy drinking.  Get a deeper container like a bucket oy a tall plastic container and only fill it about half full.  Two of my dogs used to get more water on the floor than they drank but that really helps contain  the fallout.

    I bought a boot/shoe tray similar to (none / 0) (#21)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:45:40 PM EST
    this one, that's like 4 feet by 15" with two inch sides - it's made of hard rubber - and easily accommodates both the water bowl and food bowl - whatever spillage there is ends up in the tray, not on the floor.

    I tried trays of different types (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:49:02 PM EST
    And sizes.  But I found that a tall container works better.  And takes up less space.

    She tips the bowl over by slapping (none / 0) (#24)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:49:25 PM EST
    her paw in it :) I do have a bowl with a rubber ringed bottom which I'm pulling out for her. I thought of a bigger container, but I don't want that much water on the wood floors :) Funny thing is, Rox would get water all over just because she was a messy puppy/young adult, this one drinks for a bit and then slams the bowl over . . . gently.

    How's it like living with this kinda dog coat? With my Dals and their short close coat, yes they shed 24/7/365, but a bath is literally just rinsing them off once on awhile. Grooming? Nah, not much. Dog smell, nope.


    So jealous (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:56:12 PM EST
    On the grooming

    This is a friend's dog (none / 0) (#35)
    by scribe on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 08:39:12 AM EST
    When it comes to grooming ... oy.

    But they're great dogs.

    And I remain convinced setter puppies are the cutest of them all.


    What's it like? (none / 0) (#36)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 09:01:06 AM EST
    Lots and lots of fur.  It gets everywhere, especially the cooling vents of electronics.

    Both of our dogs adopted us.  Whether they were dumped by the road or simply wandered off we'll never know, but they won our hearts.  They didn't have chips when they showed up but they do now.

    How did I know when the dogs could stay?  When my wife named them.


    We have a chiweenie (none / 0) (#40)
    by MKS on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 11:54:26 AM EST
    which is half Dachshund and half Chihuahua.   She is completely whacked.  Screams at all other dogs with a howl that sounds like she is being tortured.

    Has the long body and coloring of a dachshund and the head of Chihuahua.  Long ears that stand up like Bugs Bunny.   Looks like the sleek dogs of ancient Egypt.

    She gets wound up and then will go and scoop out all the water from the water dish.   Just Miss OCD.


    That is a lovely puppy (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by sj on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:58:49 PM EST
    I plucked my girl from the streets of Baltimore. She was also well cared for (the mess of street life notwithstanding). She was already house broken, crate trained and well socialized (which is really important for Chows). Somebody loved her but nobody had reported her lost. So after two days she was mine.

    Which thrilled my Lab mix to no end. He was a dog's dog and had been lonely after my little Schnoodle girl died.

    Hopefully your pup has a micro chip. I'll never go without one of those things. And I have it checked on every vet visit, too. Just to make sure it hasn't drifted or malfunctioned.


    My ex-BF found a Chow wandering around (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by vml68 on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 11:24:55 PM EST
    a grocery parking lot and decided to bring it home to me. He was absolutely gorgeous and looked to be very well taken care off. We put up flyers everywhere, contacted local vets, shelters and the police. I thought we would be able to find the owners pretty quickly. But no one claimed him.

    For some reason he immediately fixated on me and would not allow my dogs or cats to come anywhere near me. At night, he would sit by my bed and just stare at me all night long. It was really unnerving to wake up and have his face inches from mine just watching me. The minute I stepped out of the house, he would start hurling himself at the window trying to get out. It was nuts.

    This was about 20 years ago and I was living in the Midwest then. Chows were almost always put to sleep if taken to the area shelters. I volunteered at the only no-kill shelter in town and they were already beyond capacity. I was desperate to find him a home before he completely destroyed mine. Not to mention, my critters were miserable with him around. I finally found him a home with a coworker. A few months later, he ran away from their home and was hit by a car. It broke my heart.


    Oh, that's so sad (none / 0) (#62)
    by sj on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 11:06:34 PM EST
    Chows tend to adopt one person as their person. That's where my girl's socialization really showed. Anyone who is invited in then comes under her protection. Or maybe jurisdiction is a better word when it comes to repairmen and the like. She wants to be ignored while she is all over their business. Checking out toolboxes and all.

    With my beautiful boy gone, she is perfectly happy being an only dog. But he was a Superior Dog and let her know what was acceptable while still lavishing her with love. As long as I fed her separately things were fine.

    But I know what you mean about your Chow's reaction when you left. She would go into her crate in the morning and then fuss like crazy when I left. My neighbors said it lasted 5-10 minutes which was okay with them as they are dog lovers, too. And I don't think she would coexist well with cats. They act too much like prey, in her world.

    I had forgotten, though, until you mentioned it: for the first few months she would do that staring thing in the morning.


    wow, beautiful pup (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by ZtoA on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 01:59:16 AM EST
    I'm more a cat person, but did have a husky/wolf mix walk out of the wilds of northern CA foothills and adopt me. I called her Lupin for the wild flowers. Her informal name was Lupert Pupkin. Huskies are beautiful. Lupert could not live indoors. I let her roam free (in the country) and she and her best bud "Haus", a white shepherd, would go around for 5-7 miles and bother the swans. Why anyone would have swans was beyond me. Yours is a gorgeous pup.

    Lupert Pupkin! (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 05:20:13 PM EST
    I love the play on the name of Robert De Niro's character from one of my favorite Martin Scorsese films, the underappreciated King of Comedy.

    We presently have a cat who subsequently adopted us after being abandoned by her prior owner nine years ago. In fact, she's sitting in her basket next to my desk at home as I type this, staring directly up at me as though she senses that I'm talking about her. Most likely, however, she's probably hungry and wants me to refill her bowl in the kitchen, because I got distracted earlier and forgot to do that.

    She's one of those felines who disdains wet food from cans, and loves her Purina Cat Chow (natural flavor only). She's a snacker who eats whenever she feels like it, rather than a gorger who'll immediately chow down what you put in front of her. She'll consume a bowl of food a day on average, a little at a time, and she'll also drink a bowl of water a day at the same rate. But she does really appreciate it when we're roasting a turkey or grilling up some chicken breasts, and we save a little something for her as a treat.



    That's a lot of water (none / 0) (#66)
    by fishcamp on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 07:40:25 AM EST
    for a cat Donald.  I hope she isn't becoming diabetic which is very common in cats and easily treated if caught early.

    She's actually fine. Thanks for noting that. (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 02:02:04 PM EST
    We just took her in for her checkup last month. She's always liked to drink a lot of water, and so diabetes has long been a concern to her veterinarian, but her lab tests always come back negative. She's a very healthy animal as a senior cat. She was young when she first showed up on our lanai (patio) to escape a heavy rain and thus came to live with us, and her vet estimates that she's now about ten years old.

    If she's been prone to anything, health wise, it's the occasional outer ear infection, which we'll notice because she starts seriously scratching her head a lot. There's a topical medicine for that which we have to apply by hand, and as a result she's the only cat I've known who really enjoys having her ears rubbed by her humans, even when she doesn't have an infection. They don't even flick when you touch them.

    She did get a flea infestation recently, which surprised us because she's strictly an indoor animal, her front paws having been declawed by her previous owner. (We were getting bit, too.) But then we discovered that she was hanging out by an open living room window which is at ground level by the stairs, and that a neighbor's cat would come around there and hang with her on the other side of that window, so the fleas were passing from that cat to her through the screen. That window, of course, now remains closed.

    She's been a good companion, and is surprisingly attentive to and protective of her humans when one of us is under the weather, because she innately senses when someone in the household isn't feeling good. When Elder Daughter was seriously injured in a car accident last fall, the cat stayed with her during the entire recuperative period, leaving her side only to go eat or drink water. I'm having surgery on Tuesday to remove some infected lymph nodes in my neck related to my melanoma, and when I get home the next day, I expect that she'll probably be hanging with me, too, until I'm back on my feet.



    Good luck to you (none / 0) (#110)
    by sj on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 02:38:36 AM EST
    on Tuesday, Donald. I hope everything turns out even better than you hope. Blessings.

    If you don't find the puppy's parents (none / 0) (#4)
    by vml68 on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:03:58 PM EST
    I will gladly take him/her in :-)
    What a beauty!

    She's so sweet! (none / 0) (#8)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:15:39 PM EST
    And so totally dif than my Dal, lol!~ She's so big though, and such a youngster.

    If I don't find her parents, get ready for a road trip!  ;) I will say, she would be a really easy dog for me to keep. I just wish I knew her name. I'm calling her 'Girl'. That always worked with the shelter pups (Girl, Boy) because you just pair it up with "Good!" ;)


    When I worked in the shelter, I could never (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by vml68 on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:31:44 PM EST
    keep track of the names. It was always "Hello Handsome" or "Hello Beautiful" or "Hello Baby". My excuse was that I already had 7 critters at home, my brain couldn't handle  anymore names!

    Some of the shelter dogs I named (none / 0) (#25)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:55:56 PM EST
    could never be renamed :) The owners tried, but they needed the name I gave in the long run. So yeah, there are a few (good) 'Boy's running around in Brooklyn :)

    When 'Girl' wakes up, I'm going to start a bit of treat training with her so I can see what she knows and at least get her in a bit more comfortable space with me. "Good Girl" should work wonders with her. She's really sweet and relaxed, but seems a tad 'lost' :(


    Stray puppy is a beautiful dog (none / 0) (#9)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:16:11 PM EST
    What breed is he/she?

    I have evidently fallen behind on how many 4 legged kids you now have.

    I, of course, recognized Dot. Do you also have the beagle that was in the video with Dot? Also, is the cute little dog in all the coats yours? What kind of dog is it?


    I think puppy is either a Husky/mix or (none / 0) (#14)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:34:01 PM EST
    a Mal/high mix. She doesn't have the curled tail of a Mal, but everything else kinda fits. She could be a GSD/Huskey mix. She's rock solid whatever she is. And out cold on the floor :)

    You are prob seeing Rox in the pics, Dot passed away suddenly 2.5 years ago (Rox was born the next day) The beagle and other little dog are my mom's. Best guess on the little dog is chi/yorkie mix. I currently have Rox, 3 kitties (Seven, Harlem aka Harley and Yankee) and Shirley the Bird (Indian Ringneck). Plus a stray puppy passed out on the floor. Debating whether I can handle running around the 'hood to catch the stray young red-headed pit-mix that was there when I brought stray puppy home from a walk . . .


    Sorry about that (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 11:06:31 PM EST
    I remembered that Dot had passed away after I posted my comment. You used to talk so much about Dot that her name was what stuck in my mind.

    From the pictures, the stray puppy reminded me of a GSD mix that I had as a girl but the coloring reminded me more of a husky.  


    Ha! You beat me to it. (none / 0) (#18)
    by vml68 on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:39:03 PM EST
    I couldn't see the tail but the coloring and the solid body made me think Malamute.

    Definitely some husky (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:39:26 PM EST
    Maybe some shepherd too

    A housemate had a Husky my senior (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 10:01:46 AM EST
    year at University.  I still remember the day it ate my dinner, several lunches and dinners, actually.  One spring afternoon I'd unwrapped a huge turkey breast, fresh from the grocery store, and had placed it on the counter in a pan.  I turned on the oven and left the kitchen, no idea why.  When I returned a moment later, the pan was empty.  Just me and the dog in the house.

    The lesson?  Preheating is for the birds.  And the dog.


    That;s funny... (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 10:29:17 AM EST
    Did the dog look innocent? Like, "I wasn't even here today?"

    We had a doberman who helped himself to whatever was near the edge if you left the room. Took patience but we finally trained him not to.


    Indian ringnecks are wild here on Oahu. (none / 0) (#88)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 02:28:25 PM EST
    Like a lot of birds around here, they were probably introduced accidentally by a negligent owner, and their current range is presently in all the Koolau valleys and mountains along the south shore of the island, from Pearl Harbor east to Makapuu Point.

    While they're beautiful birds to look at, Indian ringnecks are actually becoming a serious pest, especially if you have fruit trees. They seem particularly fond of papaya, so if you have a tree (or two or three), you best shroud them in netting when they start to bear fruit, because if a flock of ringnecks otherwise discovers them and the fruit is unprotected, they'll relieve you of your prospective crop in very short order.



    She looks like she has quite a bit (none / 0) (#15)
    by vml68 on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:34:50 PM EST
    of Malamute in her.

    Looks a little bit (none / 0) (#39)
    by MKS on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 11:47:36 AM EST
    like a German Shepherd.  They are such amazing dogs....Physically impressive....Fast, big....Much like their ancestors the wolves...but smart and good with kids.

    Your puppy might have some retriever too, no?



    Oh my, and she really does look to still (none / 0) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 10:06:29 PM EST
    Be puppy.  I would say husky and German Shepherd out of very German lines.  That's where you get that heavy bone you see in her head and her paws.  Good Lord what paws.  She has the German Shepherd defined black blanket over her back too.  Americans became fixated on the saddle but the Germans bred the blanket.

    She still puppy 'yips' (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by nycstray on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 11:02:36 PM EST
    and her bark isn't really a total big girl's bark yet . . .  if she were a dal or several other breeds, I would be able to age her better, but I'm just not that familiar with young northern breeds or GSDs. We mostly saw teens/young adults in the NYC shelters. She still bounces and plays like a puppy and does the 'puppy walk'. Looking at her teeth, her canines either aren't in all the way or they aren't adult ones. Rox was losing teeth at 5 or 6mos, so I just don't know. Vet was closed today, so she'll be a mystery until Monday :) Oh, and she's almost as tall as Rox, but wider. She comes to the bottom of my knee at her shoulder. She's sweet as a button with excellent house manners. Very mellow with just enough play.

    She still has the German Shepherd puppy face (none / 0) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 11:09:18 PM EST
    I don't know exactly how to put the differences in words, but her angles are still soft.  In adulthood the muzzle becomes more defined/chiseled and you can usually make out sex characteristics then.  She has big ole puppy noggin right now, pretty dog!

    Further to the discussion of (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:37:05 PM EST
    Edward Snowden, the latest issue of Vanity Fair has an extensive, detailed article that is well worth a read.  A short excerpt is available on VF's website, but you either have to subscribe, or buy the magazine, if you want to read the whole thing.

    Unfortunately, the excerpt begins in the hotel room in Hong Kong, so you don't get the details on how Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras and Ewan McCaskill ended up there.

    The wonders of modern technology: (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 03:39:25 PM EST
    We were playing cross-country phone relay with other family members for the better part of the last hour, because my mother called me from Tampa Int'l Airport this morning (which is mid-afternoon, EDT) to say that she and my uncle had just arrived there, but saw no sign of my cousin who was supposed to pick them up, and neither one of them had his phone number.

    So I called my cousin's land line but ended up with his voice mail, and I didn't have his current cell number, his old one now belonging to some guy at the Tampa BMW dealership. I assumed that he was on his way to the airport to get them, but just to be sure I called another cousin (his sister) in Carlsbad, CA to have her call her brother and let them know that his aunt and uncle were waiting for him.

    But the three cell numbers she had for him weren't any good any more, one was for same BMW guy and the other two were disconnected. (A good lesson to us all here: The data and information we have is only good to us if it's presently up to date.)

    So she called her mother (my aunt) who's currently up in Sacramento visiting a friend, and my aunt called her son, who said that he and his wife had already been at TPA for the better part of an hour, but couldn't find my mother and uncle. So she gave him my cell number and he called me, and I gave him my mother's cell number.

    Anyway, my cousin in Tampa just called me back to let me know that he finally found my mother and uncle, because he and his wife had been patiently awaiting their arrival at the wrong terminal -- they had arrived on American Airlines from Miami, while my cousin was waiting over at the Southwest baggage claim, thinking they were coming from Ft. Lauderdale -- and that they're all on their way back to the house.

    I don't know where he got the idea that they were flying on Southwest, because I distinctly e-mailed him two days ago and said they they were arriving on American from MIA, having made those reservations myself. Anyway, whew! Glad that's resolved. I just called my cousin in Carlsbad and aunt in Sacramento to let them know that everyone is safe and sound. I was getting concerned there, because my mother is 80 and my uncle is 88, and here I am, over 5,000 miles away in Honolulu and unable to do much more than make phone calls.

    But I do find it wondrous to consider that 30 years ago, we never would have been able to accomplish what we just did with one another, communications-wise -- even if we did somehow manage to make things a wee bit more complicated than they really needed to be. Nor would I have been able to simply go online and tell you all about it.

    Have a great day, everyone. Aloha.

    General Motors, (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by lentinel on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 04:38:14 PM EST
    which, you may remember, we the taxpayers have heavily subsidized, has admitted that it delayed recalling cars with a defective ignition system that resulted in numerous deaths.

    They said they were now going to "make it right".

    How are they going to do that?
    Bring the dead back to life?

    How is this different from a youth in a hoodie stabbing someone to death and stealing his wallet?

    But you know that all the folks at GM will get off scott free.
    Those white collar folks can sell you a piece of sh-t car which you have the option to keep at your own risk, or let them recall and have no car. In any case, they get to keep your money and you're lucky to get away with your life.

    No jail for those bozos.

    It's good to be super-rich in our elitist nation.
    You can get away with murder.

    Just don't be poor.
    That's the lesson.

    Knodler Case (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 11:34:05 AM EST
    For anyone following the Knodler case Jose Carlos Bergantiños Diaz, has just been arrested during Easter festivities in Seville, Spain. Allegedly he was the mastermind behind the Knodler Forgeries:

    Behind the curtain, though, federal prosecutors say, Mr. Bergantiños was engaged in a very different sort of enterprise, a daring forgery swindle that fooled the art world and led collectors to spend more than $80 million on dozens of phony masterworks.

    The marketing of these forgeries, many of them sold through the offices of what was once New York's oldest gallery, Knoedler & Company, has been among the most stunning art market scandals of the last decade. But little of the focus has been on Mr. Bergantiños, who is identified in court papers only as CC-1 -- or co-conspirator 1.

    Most of the attention has been trained instead on his girlfriend, Ms. Rosales. She is the only person to be arrested in the case and in September pleaded guilty to the fraud.

    But now, Ms. Rosales, 57, is cooperating with federal prosecutors and the authorities are focusing more intently on the role they say Mr. Bergantiños played.


    I enjoyed the Helen Frankenthaler (none / 0) (#80)
    by oculus on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 11:50:41 AM EST
    exhibit in 2011 at the Knoedler in that beautiful space. Sure how those artworks weren't forgeries.

    Closed (none / 0) (#81)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 12:07:12 PM EST
    No Frankenthaler Forgeries (none / 0) (#82)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 12:12:06 PM EST
    As part of the case, as far as I know. Not that you would be able to tell the difference..  the forgeries were excellent, passed the test of expert eyes. Of course the context of Knoedler helped the forgeries pass the muster.

    Rubin Hurricane Carter... (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by desertswine on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 12:34:13 PM EST
    RIP, Rubin Carter (1937-2014). (5.00 / 3) (#91)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 03:24:17 PM EST
    Rubin "Hurricane" Carter, the once-promising U.S. middleweight boxer whose wrongful 1966 conviction for capital murder became a cause celebre among activists, died early this morning in Toronto at age 76, following a lengthy battle with prostate cancer.

    Carter was originally convicted by an all-white jury in 1966 of shooting three white people to death in a Paterson, NJ bar, on the strength of some very dubious eyewitness evidence offered by two white guys who had been attempting to commit a burglary nearby at the time of the murders. They were offered a sweetheart deal in exchange for their testimony.

    Carter subsequently served a total of 29 years in prison for it. His cause subsequently was taken up by numerous people, including Bob Dylan, whose 1976 protest song "Hurricane" became one of the bigger hits in his career and sparked renewed public interest in the case.

    After those two white witnesses recanted their statements, Carter's conviction was set aside and he was retried on the same charges in 1977, Amazingly, he was re-convicted when one of those witnesses recanted his recantation.

    However, in 1985 Federal Judge H. Lee Sarokin cited prosecutorial misconduct in his decision to overturn Carter's conviction, stating that the prosecution's entire case had been "predicated on an appeal to racism rather than reason, and concealment rather than disclosure[.]"

    After his release, Carter moved to Toronto, where he soon began a campaign on behalf of the wrongfully accused and convicted. "If I find a heaven after this life, I'll be quite surprised," he wrote in 2004. "In my own years on this planet, though, I lived in hell for the first 49 years, and have been in heaven for the past 28 years. To live in a world where truth matters and justice, however late, really happens, that world would be heaven enough for us all."

    Aloha, "Hurricane" Carter.

    Aaaargh, I just accidentally stumbled on a GoT (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 05:03:06 PM EST
    spolier...must review video....

    A freind told me that spoiler was wrong (none / 0) (#117)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:37:49 AM EST
    whew! I really did not want to know.

    Did anyone see last night's episode yet?


    I did (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:40:04 AM EST
    Do you want to know if it was wrong?

    Sure....here is the spoiler I saw (none / 0) (#122)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:48:16 AM EST
    Someone said that Grandma Tyrell took a stone off of Sansa's necklace and used it to do the poisoning. When I went back and looked at the video, it did appear that when she was over talking to Sansa at the reception, stroking her hair, she may have taken a stone off the necklace.

    But then another friend told me that she did not do the poisoning.

    Then I saw last night's episode and a whole other theory regarding Littlefinger occurs to me...or maybe he and Grandma Tyrell are in cahoots?

    So you can give me a spoiler just in terms of whether Grandma Tyrell had anything to do with it!


    The spoiler says she did (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:53:12 AM EST
    But as you know we did not learn that for sure last night.   I think she did but then who wouldn't have wanted to kill him.  I almost think "the hand" was happier about it than anyone.  

    And how about the steamy sex scene next the corpse.  And you think your parents are weird


    Yeah, that is what makes it tough (none / 0) (#128)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 10:03:56 AM EST
    Everyone in Westeros had motive and anyone who was anyone was at the wedding.

    Grandma was my first choice though, so if it is her I do not feel like I even got 'spoiled'. But - is she going to try to marry Margaery off to the little kid - or The Hand!

    I think The Hand was very happy. Someone saved him a lot of trouble down the line - and maybe got him a hot young bride.

    Yeah, that was some sick stuff at the corpse. The Hand might just want to wipe out all his offspring and start over.


    All but the short one (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 10:07:02 AM EST
    Put him in charge.

    Yes indeed! (none / 0) (#148)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 12:58:41 PM EST
    Loved his line last night:
    "Say what you will about Cersei, she loves her children. She is the only one I'm certain had nothing to do with this murder. Which makes it unique, as King's Landing murders go".

    I definitely want him to star in CSI, Kings Landing.


    I was watching parts of last weeks episode (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 10:18:43 AM EST
    Before the new one last night and I watched the scene where shorty gives the king a book about 4 kings and they all have, like, descriptive surnames.   Aegon the Unworthy and Baelor the Blessed and Daeron the Good.  
    And I thought what a great idea! We should all have descriptive surnames.

    I could be, like Floyd the Opinionated.

    What would you pick? ( or what would be picked for you since that seems to be how it works.  I doubt Aegon the Unworthy picked that for himself)


    Well, since if I could be any GOT character I'd be (none / 0) (#135)
    by ZtoA on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:35:48 AM EST
    Varys. Good choice since my nephew is appalled! It was worth announcing that at dinner last night just to see his reaction. I would be Varys the Lister. (Lister because my cake last night looked like a listing turd, but worked and tasted good)

    Ha (none / 0) (#160)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 02:35:51 PM EST
    It's funny that Varys is one of the only characters you wouldn't mind "being".  Except for that one really major downside.

    Wouldn't be a great loss for me (none / 0) (#169)
    by ZtoA on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 03:18:18 PM EST
    In that area. Now when I was young it would have been a different matter.

    I've taken that stupid online test (none / 0) (#172)
    by ZtoA on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 03:24:20 PM EST
    Which tells you what character you are. I get Aria. No thanks. Don't want to sleep in a puddle.

    oh, probably Ruffian the (self)Righteous (none / 0) (#149)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 12:59:54 PM EST
    We can do better than that (none / 0) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 02:36:12 PM EST
    "I could be, like Floyd... (none / 0) (#200)
    by unitron on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 12:49:58 PM EST
    ... the Opinionated."

    I think that barber in Mayberry beat you to it.


    AV Club on the sex and death scene (none / 0) (#163)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 02:57:32 PM EST
    Rape of Thrones

    Sunday night's episode of Game Of Thrones took an even darker turn than usual: Jaime Lannister, who has transitioned from one of the story's villains to one of its heroes, takes the opportunity of his son's death to rape his sister and lover, Cersei--in the Westerosi equivalent of a church, while Joffrey's corpse is laid out on the slab. It's hyperbolically awful--a violation of Cersei's agency, a violation of the sanctity of the grand sept, a violation of the reverence that ought to be provided to a corpse.

    Much has been made, and will continue to be made, about George R.R. Martin's Westeros, a violent, dark, dangerous world, especially for women. And it's true, Martin's A Storm Of Swords has that same sex scene, complete with the empty sept and dead boy-king. Except for one crucial difference. Cersei wants to have sex.

    Here's the text:

    She kissed him. A light kiss, the merest brush of her lips on his, but he could feel her tremble as he slid his arms around her. "I am not whole without you." -------

    So the question is not, exactly, "Why change the books?" Because the answer is clear: Many, many details must be changed, just to make the transition from book series to televised series work. The question is, instead: "Why change this?" Why make a scene from the book that depicts consensual sex into one in the show that depicts rape?

    It's not impossible that this rape is a conscious choice that will take these characters in a new direction. Benioff and Weiss might use the fallout of the rape to take these characters on a journey; this could turn out to be the foundation for strong plot development and characterization. It's not impossible for rape to be part of a storytelling process that humanizes victim and rapist, both.

    Interesting read


    Hmmm, that is very strange (none / 0) (#166)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 03:10:36 PM EST
    Not having read the books I can't tell how this effects the long term story...seems an odd point to deviate from. Maybe they are going to try to make Cersei a little more sympathetic, like they did Jaime (until last night).

    Of course the most interesting question to me is - what does it mean for Tyrion?


    The author also complains about (none / 0) (#175)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 03:27:37 PM EST
    Changing the story line with the dragon girl and the horse lord but I honestly think what they did, which is to have her start out as sort a victim and quickly learn to take charge, may have been a better idea and a foreshadowing of what she becomes.

    BTW, have you found (none / 0) (#170)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 03:18:50 PM EST

    They do funny recaps in different formats, like who's up, who's down each week. Or recapping from the raven's POV. It is amusing.


    Their headline on the recap of Tywin's (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 03:20:43 PM EST
    scene with mid-orgy Oberyn "Good luck getting him confirmed by a Republican Majority Senate"

    Here is another one in the same vein (none / 0) (#178)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 06:08:13 PM EST
    from Esquire. Seems that they are adding some violence that is not in the books - as if there is not enough IN the books.  If it turns into Criminal Minds, I am out of here.

    Interesting that the writer and director of the episode don't even agree on whether it was consensual or not.


    Grandma Tyrell was in cahoots with finger (none / 0) (#132)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:02:21 AM EST
    She's protective, she can't do without Lannisters but she wasn't having her granddaughter married to Joffrey.  She decided eff that sadistic pig :). In her opinion arranged marriages are unhappy enough and who knew if her granddaughter could even survive a Joffrey marriage, she had doubts.

    See, as long as Tyrell's are clean (none / 0) (#133)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:07:48 AM EST
    In the dead Joffrey business they really have to marry Joffrey's little brother to her granddaughter now.

    Have to go out for a while so in case you want to (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:50:07 AM EST
    Know, Dunno what you saw but the spoiler I linked to was not wrong.  It was dead on about everything.  Well, there is the detail about who actually DID it which we don't know yet from the show.   But everthing we learned last night jives with the spoiler I linked to.

    A couple of these blew my mind (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:26:27 AM EST
    10 History Facts That Will Warp Your Sense Of Time

    1. Cleopatra lived closer in time to the moon landing than the construction of the pyramids.

    Thanks (none / 0) (#134)
    by sj on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:35:25 AM EST
    Read the Reddit thread that this based on. It's way more interesting and not loaded with ads. No pretty pictures, but great comments.

    Happy to announce that my (5.00 / 8) (#138)
    by Anne on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:44:46 AM EST
    younger daughter and her husband are expecting their first child in late October!  Been sworn to secrecy for 2 months and now that she's into her 2nd trimester we got the go-ahead to shout it to the rooftops.  

    Being grandparents is about the best thing there is, so we can't wait to welcome the newest member of the family!  And our older daughter can't wait for her little boy to have a cousin.

    Needless to say, it was a joyous Easter; hope all of you who celebrate had a wonderful day as well.

    Such good news! (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by sj on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:59:05 AM EST
    Congratulations to all!

    That actually sounds really really (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 09:17:53 PM EST

    Watching Django Unchained (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:14:34 PM EST
    On SHO. Currently paused to let the dogs out. The promos never really made me want to see this but I really really like it.

    Really did not like that movie. (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by vml68 on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:46:18 PM EST
    I don't even know why I watched it, since I tend to avoid Tarantino's movies. I just don't have the stomach for graphic violence.

    Finally watched Philomena this evening. Absolutely loved it.

    Also, scored tickets to watch A Raisin in the Sun at the Ethel Barrymore Theatre. I love me some Denzel Washington!


    Seen Philomena about a month ago (none / 0) (#29)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 11:12:16 PM EST
    Great movie but very sad. I just got the book from the library since I wanted to see if it had more information about Philomena.

    Let me know how you like the book. (none / 0) (#33)
    by oculus on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 01:07:04 AM EST
    Definitely (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 11:13:44 PM EST
    Vintage Tarantino

    Interesting film. (none / 0) (#32)
    by oculus on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 01:06:21 AM EST
    On My List (none / 0) (#10)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 10:22:22 PM EST
    Tarintino is one of my faves.... enjoy!!

    I suppose I "just don't understand" his (none / 0) (#153)
    by jondee on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 01:30:20 PM EST
    films, but they almost universally remind me of stuff put together by a really smart fifteen-year-old whose entire life's exposure to film consisted of cheezy t.v cop shows and exploitation movies particularly from the seventies.  

    I'm with you (none / 0) (#154)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 01:56:57 PM EST
    I am mildly amused by them sometimes - I did like a lot of Django - but I have no emotional resonance whatsoever.

    I think Tarantino (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 02:18:48 PM EST
    Might be totally ok with that description

    Postmodern Hitchcock (none / 0) (#159)
    by squeaky on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 02:28:15 PM EST
    He is a collage artist of sorts. He is probably one of the most literate filmmakers ever. He not only knows, and I mean knows in a detailed way, every A film ever made but he also knows most every B,C and D film ever made.

    His films are always a commentary on film as well as great films in themselves, imo.

    I think he is a genius.


    That is true and I am afraid (none / 0) (#162)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 02:56:09 PM EST
    most of it goes over my head. Just for my own enjoyment, I much prefer Hitchcock.

    Yes (none / 0) (#192)
    by jondee on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 10:59:52 AM EST
    but you also seem to think Koons and Hirst are geniuses..

    I don't doubt T knows every B,C, and D movie ever made, that's glaringly apparent -- particularly ones from the seventies..

    He's also obviously seen every Starsky and Hutch rerun, every kung fu, blaxploitation and grindhouse movie anyone ever stomached. To the point where I wonder if he might've been a latchkey kid with only early cable t.v for company.

    No to put too fine a point on it, but I don't think he's worthy to drink water out of the Coen's muddy footprints.  


    It may or my not surprise you (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 12:05:19 PM EST
    That others disagree






    It doesn't surprise me at all (none / 0) (#195)
    by jondee on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 12:13:35 PM EST
    I remember high profile people saying Madonna was a creative genius in the eighties..

    Can we help what we like?


    Clearly you didn't look at the links consider it (none / 0) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 12:17:28 PM EST
    Well (none / 0) (#202)
    by jondee on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 12:53:15 PM EST
    I read one of them. And my sound was screwing up on one of the others. I'll get to it..

    Oops (none / 0) (#196)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 12:16:32 PM EST
    Hmmm (none / 0) (#193)
    by squeaky on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 11:48:20 AM EST
    Maybe a generational issue that you have with Tarantino, He was born 1963, as Coen brothers ('54 & '57) are older.

    Sounds like you also have a problem with artists incorporating popular culture into their art, also perhaps a generational thing.

    All I can say is you are missing out on some serious all around aesthetic stimulation. But I can understand it, many pride themselves in their positions when it comes to disliking artists..  something to do with a projection of having good taste.


    I think maybe we're just aesthetically (none / 0) (#198)
    by jondee on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 12:22:10 PM EST
    stimulated by different things.

    I knew this day would come.


    What is your opinion of (none / 0) (#199)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 12:36:48 PM EST
    "Kill Bill"?

    A greasy triple decker (none / 0) (#201)
    by jondee on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 12:50:34 PM EST
    cheeseburger that I forgot about ten minutes after it was over. There's a place for those I suppose.

    I've despised Tarantino's last few films. (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 03:56:54 PM EST
    I liked THIS much better, which I think sums up Tarantino's work of late better than Tarantino can himself. (And kudos to Christof Waltz for biting the hand that fed him.)

    P.S.: Am I being sacrilegious by wishing everyone a Happy Easter in this comment?



    Amazing (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 04:08:10 PM EST
    You may or may not have noticed that Jesus in that clip was the head Nazi in Basterds and the dentist in Django.

    Christoph Waltz

    No illusions that Mr Ts films are for everyone but I really liked those two especially.  What he did with tension in Basterds he doubled down on in Django.  
    But then I have to admit I can't think of a Mr T film I don't like.


    That's what I said: (none / 0) (#46)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 04:30:04 PM EST
    "And kudos to Christof Waltz for biting the hand that fed him."

    I'm a big fan of Quentin Tarantino's earlier work in classics such as Reservoir Dogs (which is my personal favorite) and Pulp Fiction, and the underrated Jackie Brown.

    But when he did his two Kill Bill films, I started to think that he was indulging in gratuitous onscreen violence simply for its own sake. And when he got onto his revenge fantasy schtick -- well, I'll just say that in my own opinion and as an amateur historian, I felt that his train had seriously jumped the tracks here.

    I find nothing at all even remotely humorous about Nazis and 19th century American slavers or what they did respectively, and both Inglourious Basterds and D'Jango Unchained just really, really rubbed me the wrong way. Neither film was an enjoyable experience for me.

    Basterds in particular struck me as nothing more than a steroid-addled and hyperviolent big screen version of Hogan's Heroes, with Waltz assuming the role of Major Hochstetler. Now, I'm certainly no prude when it comes to cinema, but I actually walked out of the theatre at the conclusion of Basterds feeling offended by what I had just seen, and that's something that rarely if ever occurs when we go to the movies.



    Many people (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 04:59:26 PM EST
    Including me had complex reactions to Basterds.  And certainly not all in a good way. I liked

    this one

    As people keep noting, it's a movie that turns the Jews into the Nazis and the Nazis into the Jews and takes great fun doing it. But it doesn't stop there- the Jews even become suicide bombers, striking a contemporary note. It's a revenge movie in just about every possible vector.

    Only two serious characters in it don't seem to have any revenge motive- Landa and Raines. They are men that spend the entire movie with smiles on their faces, like they know something the other characters don't, smiling like they know what's really going to happen. It's Raine that bodily reveals the true price of total revenge. It is this: Revenge will make you one flesh. More totally than sex or love or culture or media, it is revenge that will erase the differences. Your blue-eyed Indian children will stalk the Earth, and they may love you, but they won't know how to tell you and your most hated enemy apart.

    It left me shaky and wide eyed, wondering down the empty 2am streets of Boston, walking all the way back to Cambridge with my companion without really noticing the time go by. I don't know if I believe QT. But, strangely enough, history seems like it might be on his side. Perhaps it's an idea that is more palatable to me expressed as no cultural identity survives massive conflict- not even the winner's. We touch each other, we change each other, we start again. QT is not where I expected to find something like this, and it makes me wonder if this is something new for him, or if I should go back and watch the others to see what I missed.


    I don't believe it's anything new. (none / 0) (#51)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 05:41:56 PM EST
    Rather, it's become apparent to me, having watched Tarantino's films for the better part of 25 years now, that he has a personal obsession with the portrayal of graphic onscreen violence.

    Further, it's an obsession which -- again, in my own opinion -- has started to seriously eclipse his obvious talent as a screenwriter with a true gift for great dialogue and wordplay. (In addition to those films which he's directed, he also wrote the screenplays for True Romance and Natural Born Killers.)

    In short, I wonder whether his otherwise very considerable skills as a filmmaker have actually started to atrophy as a result of this obsession, rather than continue to grow and blossom.

    In that regard, yes, I would definitely urge you to check out Tarantino's earlier films, particularly the aforementioned Reservoir Dogs. I think if you then look at Basterds and D'Jango both linearly to and within the overall context of his entire work product, you'll see the point I'm trying to convey about him not necessarily grow right now as an film artist, even as he's achieved tremendous box office clout as a successful producer.



    I know most of the dialogue (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 06:03:48 PM EST
    From the early films by heart.  Honestly I think you are selling him short a bit.  He surely doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to do to make money.  I suspect one thing he is doing is what artists often do which is hold up a mirror.  As violent as reservoir dogs was the world has become a much more violent place since then.  Particularly entertainment.   As someone said the other day about FX, wow, is this HBO? Nope.  It's basic cable.
    And then maybe that is to philosophical an approach.  Maybe he thinks the world is full of people who are tired of seeing people "get away with it" and wants to give them some alligator brain type satisfaction.
    Honestly it would be more than presumptions of me to assign reasons for him making the films he makes.  
    I thought Kill Bill was dumb, but I still liked it. The last two I have complex feelings about.  But I liked them.

    I also understand NOT liking them.


    Again, just my opinion, but ... (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 07:17:54 PM EST
    ... I think we've long been indulging our reptilian instincts, to the point of overdose. I don't need Tarantino to hold up a mirror in order to to see and comprehend what's happening in our society, media and entertainment. We're rapidly become a debased culture, and I think the director is capitalizing on it, rather than simply trying to draw attention to it.

    I really don't mind graphic onscreen violence within a proper context, when its depiction actually enhances the plot. Several examples would be Ridley Scott's Black Hawk Down and Steven Spielberg's Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan. Some of the violence in those films was stomach churning, but it actually served a purpose.

    But I just really detest it when the filmmaker's intent instead appears to be to repeatedly jar my senses with successive violent shockwaves, which rudely shove the accompanying story into the background until it becomes almost a mere afterthought. Again, just my opinion, but that's where Tarantino's more recent work has lately been within my own head.

    In that regard, I think Tarantino would do well to rein in his penchant for soaking his films in excessive blood and violence. He doesn't have to get rid of it entirely; he just needs to tone it down and not let it overwhelm the actual story he's trying to tell, to the point where the gore is primarily what a goodly number of people are recalling about a particular film.



    Fair enough (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 07:28:23 PM EST
    But the HATEFUL EIGHT doesn't really sound like he is going in that direction

    BY DOMINIC PATTEN | Friday April 18, 2014 @ 10:59am PDT

    Organizers have treated Film Independent's staged reading of Quentin Tarantino's latest script The Hateful Eight like a national security matter, restricting things like cell phones and computers and staying mum on casting ahead of Saturday night's event. But I have confirmed that Tarantino staple Samuel L Jackson will play a part at reading set for the Theatre at the Ace Hotel in downtown LA. What role he might read remains unknown, but it begs the question what other Tarantino regulars might also participate in the event. (Any guesses, Deadline readers?) Tarantino is casting and directing the show, whose $200 tickets are the hottest in town. That's no doubt because of the heat surrounding the Western screenplay, which was leaked prematurely and ended up on Gawker -- much to the consternation of Tarantino, who then told Deadline's Mike Fleming Jr that because of the breaches he wasn't going to turn the script into a movie. He later sued Gawker for posting it and a January 27, 2015 trial date has been set; the two sides are currently in court-ordered mediation. Film Independent first fueled the Jackson speculation with a tweet just now:


    Mistrust coffee and violence (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 07:36:39 PM EST
    They sum up the rest of the script accordingly:

    The script is an ensemble Western with obvious parts for Madsen and Dern, as well as Tarantino stalwarts like Samuel L. Jackson and Christoph Waltz. Jackson and Madsen would likely both play bounty hunters returning human plunder to a town called Red Rock in exchange for hefty rewards. Their characters, a former major in the Union army and a man named John Ruth, dominate the first two of the script's five chapters.

    They run into a Southerner named Chris Mannix on the road, and three of them, along with their driver -- a living prisoner and three dead bounties strapped to the roof -- arrive at a haberdashery to take shelter from an oncoming blizzard. Yet the proprietors, Minnie, Sweet Dave and her other colleagues, are nowhere to be found. In their place are four men, a Southern general (likely Dern), an alleged hangman, a Frenchman named Bob and a cowboy named Joe Gage.

    Mistrust, coffee and violence ensue.


    The script is several places around the net so I would expect big changes.  But not necessarily less gore.


    I'm not going to hold out hope. (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 08:40:12 PM EST
    We'll just have to wait and see. Anyway, thanks for the good conversation.

    Oh duh (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 04:09:26 PM EST
    If I read past the link I would have seen that you DID notice that.  
    His character is Django does go a long way toward making up for the Nazi though.

    No doubt, Waltz is a great character actor. (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 04:36:44 PM EST
    In my opinion, he was probably the best thing in both Basterds and D'Jango, and I don't begrudge either of the two supporting actor Oscars he received for his work in those films.

    That said, I really hope to soon see Waltz in other roles onscreen, rather than those that aid and abet the latest Tarantino bloodbath.



    FBI questions a contractor working at (none / 0) (#41)
    by oculus on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 12:36:26 PM EST
    Gitmo on behalf of legal defense team of 9 11 suspects.  And extracts a signed agreement barring the contractor from revealing the FBIs efforts:


    Lilacs (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 06:20:36 PM EST
    there are three of these

    The back yard smells loverley

    and a burning bush

    That always has the red blooms on the inside.

    Spring has definitely sprung.  HAPPY ISHTAR

    Mmmm, I do miss lilacs from my (none / 0) (#71)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 10:53:07 AM EST
    northern Illinois childhood. Always the best part of spring for me.

     I spent last Memorial day weekend in Chattanooga, and my friend and I took the river cruise. In certain locations there was a wonderful scent that I distantly recognized, but I could not figure out what it was until I finally saw the lilacs along the shore. Heavenly!

    I do have jasmine here that are starting to bloom with scent - the next best thing.

    Happy Spring!


    I just (none / 0) (#60)
    by lentinel on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 11:05:04 PM EST
    watched the first episode of the current season of "Madmen", and I was left with the distinct feeling that absolutely nothing happened in the entire hour.

    Every single scene started, and then ended without having gone anywhere.

    I was wondering what anyone else thought of it.

    I think it was basically a set-up episode (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 10:57:56 AM EST
    but I thought it revealed many things, such as the way Don is keeping his hand in the business, the fact that Megan is not very happy with his visits to sunny California, Pete's happiness with his life there, Peggy's isolation without either of her two champions in the office, Joan's  efforts to get more into the accounts world.

    Seems like enough going on for me. I have always liked the show more as a character study than an action-packed show.


    I agree with you... (none / 0) (#85)
    by lentinel on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 12:55:42 PM EST
    It did hold my attention...

    One scene that seemed pointless to me was Don on his way home on the plane - hitting on the lady next to him - getting cozy and semi-physical the whole trip - and then saying he had to go to the office when she invited him to get in her car when they arrived.

    Maybe it's a setup for a subsequent rendez-vous in a later episode.
    Frankly, I hope not. I find the Don-the-philanderer scenes to be a big drag...

    But, I will be tuning in tonight...


    I agree about that (none / 0) (#90)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 03:09:30 PM EST
    I am about done with those story lines myself. I hope it was just to show he has changed in some ways. She was too much like the Linda Cardellini character from last year that I did not like either. I liked him better with the artist from the first season (before she became a junkie). I guess I have liked several of his girlfriends except those two.

    The philandering storyline became ... (none / 0) (#92)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 03:47:43 PM EST
    ... entirely predictable, and that's probably why so many of us say that we are so over it.

    Interestingly, though, Don's very tawdry affair with the downstairs neighbor last season, which initially appeared to be an entirely unwarranted and very unseemly plot diversion -- "Oh, look, Don's cheating again. (Yawn!)" -- now looks in retrospect to have been the immediate catalyst for the subsequent rapid unraveling of both his professional life and his second marriage, after his now-teenaged daughter accidentally walked in on them and caught Daddy with his pants down.

    If anything, the Mad Men screenwriters have proved themselves capable of using seemingly pointless and innocuous occurrences to set up the some real fireworks for later episodes. So, while we might not have thought all that much of last Sunday's episode, I can't help but think that its purpose was to lull us into complacency before hitting us with the roundhouse punch.



    It seemed (none / 0) (#100)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 06:50:59 PM EST
    that what to me too. It was kind of a clue as to where the season was going. Don and Pete open their own agency and Peggy comes on board maybe? Peggy certainly is not appreciated in the current company set up and then she has to run into her former lover.

    My long term theory is that (none / 0) (#124)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:51:51 AM EST
    in 1970 Ted Chaough is behind the use of the song "We've Only Just Begun" in the Crocker Bank commercial, a milestone in California advertising history. Who would be a bigger Carpenters fan than Ted Chaough?

    Wasn't it a bank spot first... (none / 0) (#203)
    by unitron on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 12:56:59 PM EST
    ...and then a pop song?

    Even the slower episodes (none / 0) (#78)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 11:30:45 AM EST
    are better with Tom And Lorenzo's analysis. They catch every nuance. Scroll to the very end if you don't want to read the whole thing. Little things like that are what I love about the show, and T&L catching it for me.

    Joseph Campbell (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 09:01:17 AM EST
    Is as close as I will ever get to religion

    "If we think of the Crucifixion only in historical terms, we lose the symbol's immediate reference to ourselves. Jesus left his mortal body on the cross, the sign of earth, to go to the Father, with whom he was one. We, similarly, are to identify with the eternal life within us. The symbol also tells us of God's willing acceptance of the cross, that is to say, of his participation in the trials and sorrows of human life in the world, so that he is here within us, not by way of a fall or mistake, but with rapture and joy. Thus the cross has dual sense: one, of our going to the divine; the other, of the coming of the divine to us. It is a true crossing.

    "In the Christian tradition, Christ's crucifixion is a major problem: Why could the savior not have just come? Why did he have to be crucified?

    "Well, various theological explanations have come down to us, but I think an adequate and proper one can be found in Paul's Epistle to the Philippians, where he writes in chapter 2 that Christ did not think that God-hood was something to be held to--which is to say, neither should you--but rather, yielding, he took the form of a servant even to death on the cross. This is joyful affirmation of the sufferings of the world. The imitation of Christ, then, is participating in the suffering and joys of the world, all the while seeing through them the radiance of the divine presence. That's operating from the heart cakra, where the two triangles are joined together.

    "That's what I see in the Crucifixion. Of all the explanations I've read, it is the only one that makes, what I would call, respectable sense. The others are all concerned with a wrathful god who has to be appeased by the sacrifice of his son. What do you do with a thing like that? It is a translation of the sacrifice into a very crude image. The idea of God being entity that has to be appeased is just too nasty a concretion."

    Joseph Campbell in "A Joseph Campbell Companion: Reflections on the Art of Living."

    Yes, he does tie it all together (none / 0) (#73)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 11:02:25 AM EST
    Still even the best thinkers can only try to find some sense in Christian scripture long after the fact of it taking over spiritual discourse in our world.  A valiant effort.

    Boring. (none / 0) (#69)
    by lentinel on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 10:31:22 AM EST
    I was just getting sooo bored at the level of enemy being selected for us by our political leadership and their appendages in the media.

    North Korea?



    But here comes Russia!
    A new cold war with a bunch who have lots and lots of hydrogen bombs and lots and lots of missiles and submarines with which to send them on their merry way in our direction.

    Now - THAT's entertainment!

    HAPPY 4.20 (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 10:49:26 AM EST
    and that other holiday whatever it is

    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 333 (none / 0) (#74)
    by Dadler on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 11:12:16 AM EST
    It's Easter, and the fact that it's Volume 333 seems perfect. Cut Satan right in half. (link)

    v. 332
    v. 331

    In LA for the last few days, sitting in gridlock for too many hours, but that's my glorious home town. Missing Mrs. Dadler and Dadler Jr. something fierce as always. I'm such a pitiful creature of home. Makes sense tho, fractured phuck that I am.

    Peace to all the TL posse.

    Nothing To Do With The Devil (none / 0) (#77)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 11:27:01 AM EST
    It's Easter, and the fact that it's Volume 333 seems perfect. Cut Satan right in half. (link)

    More to do with angels. Laura Warnke has your number. She is:

    an empath who helps you define your life purpose by viewing your Akashic record from a soul level perspective.

    Seeing 333 as significant means this:

    Seeing 333 is a notice to you that you need to work more on balancing the whole. That you are concentrating too much on only one side of the triangle. What is truth? Truth is being whole, equaling one, balance, harmony.

    What should someone do if they see 333 repeatedly?

    It is time to realize that one does affect the other. Your thoughts affect your cellular body. Your spirit affects your physical body and also your logical side. When you are too concentrated in thinking negative thoughts, those impressions leave a mark on your cellular body and damages the spirit as well.

    We are all one, all humans on this earth are one. Once fear and ego are set aside, realize that we are cut from the same cloth. It is a union, to become whole, as one.

    In seeing 333, your guides and angels are sending a gentle reminder to you so that you can see and understand that. It is a reminder to regain control over all 3 areas of your being. Only you have that ability, your angels cannot do it for you. You may of course ask for their assistance anytime you wish, but you must see that it is up to you to make the decision to bring the pieces together to form an equal whole.

    It also means that your angels are with you and is a sign of confirmation from the angels. It is aligned with divine truth, light, and love.

    I'll take that, too (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Dadler on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 04:07:46 PM EST
    I like having it both ways. ;-)

    Seriously, thanks for the thoughts. Happy Easter.


    Tom and Lorenzo (none / 0) (#75)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 11:19:48 AM EST
    break down Easter Parade as only they can.

    They do not answer the question - has anyone actually ever written a sonnet about an Easter bonnet? I don't think so.

    Ppsted that too soon (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 11:21:21 AM EST
    ...nearly spit out my coffee at this:
    Later that night, she goes on a date with Peter and instead of
    sleeping with him (which, well, look at him. It's the only thing that makes sense) tells him that she's in love with Fred. Okay, you know what? We have to slap you now. Fred's great but he's old enough to be your father AND he's still in love with someone else. You ain't the prettiest girl on the lot and you've got the hotness of a twentysomething Peter Lawford trying to get into your crinolines. Then again, Judy wasn't exactly known for wise personal decisions.

    Someday, we're going to write a treatise on the crazy hats women wear in musicals. We propose that because there was so much sexual repression in these films, the outrageous hats are supposed to represent vaginas on top of their heads. It's why so many of the men had walking sticks too.

    Think about it.

    Love those guys.


    Wow (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 12:39:10 PM EST
    WASHINGTON -- Former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens said Sunday that Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg sought his advice on when she should retire, although he declined to weigh in on the matter publicly.

    Onion (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 01:35:48 PM EST
    George W. Bush Debuts New Paintings Of Dogs, Friends, Ghost Of Iraqi Child That Follows Him Everywhere1:41
    President Bush has a new hobby -- painting! -- and he's showing off some new watercolors of the undead Iraqi boy who lives in his nightmares.

    This is what happens when (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 03:03:46 PM EST
    Very cute! (none / 0) (#94)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 04:43:06 PM EST
    Seems like a lucky kid to me to have a creative dad.

    Turns out (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 05:33:40 PM EST
    That's not the whole video I saw.  There is lots more and it's all great if you google

    Super hero kid Dreamworks dad

    There is lots more


    Parkland (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 05:14:51 PM EST
    Watched this thus afternoon after DVRing it a couple of days ago.  Very interesting movie.  It was not reviewed particularly well and I think I understand why.  If you come with expectations, which is pretty common when a film about the Kennedy assignation, you will be disappointed.  It is almost certainly not what you expect.  It poses no theories answers no questions and really asks none.  All it does is capture the despair and confusion and anger and desperation of those few days incredibly well.  It has an amazing ensemble cast. It does cover some at least as far as I know pretty much ignored but interesting facts.  I don't think I knew Oswald had a brother.

    There is an amazing moment in the emergency room where we arrive very early in the film - we never see the shooting. Even tho Zapruder and the film is a large part we never really even see the film except reflected in his glasses while he watches it in horror, which is a great summary of the movie - were Jackie pacing around and around in the background while the medical staff frantically tries to save the president finally quietly approaches the head nurse and gives her what she has been holding in both hands since they arrived at Parkland emergency, a double hand full of the presidents skull and brains.

    I'll check that out (none / 0) (#126)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:56:22 AM EST
    I got intrigued by that aspect of the story while listening to Vincent Bugliosi's book about the assassination.

    Gotta feel for Oswald's brother, seemingly the 'normal' one in the family, dealing with the aftermath. Their mom had serious problems, probably bi-polar.


    Both characters are great in the film (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 10:02:52 AM EST
    Ever see a movie called Animal Kingdom?  It is excellent and the last time I really liked the actor who played Oswalds mother.

    TURN starts tonight AMC (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 06:37:34 PM EST
    If all this is confusing to you, well, it should be. The ambiguously-titled Turn, created by Craig Silverstein and based on Alexander Rose's tome Washington's Spies: The Story of America's First Spy Ring, provides precious little historical context--no placards, no In a galaxy far, far, away... intro scroll. It just teleports you to 1776 and forces everyone not named Doris Kearns Goodwin to piece it together as it goes. This odd omission may be why many TV critics weren't exactly wowed by the 90-minute season premiere--which is a shame, because they, and their acolytes, are missing out on a helluva show.

    Despite the confusing setting, Turn seduces you with its mélange of gripping performances by an ensemble cast of Brits (taking a page out of the Game of Thrones handbook), a powerful score by Oscar nominated composer Marco Beltrami (The Hurt Locker), and stunning direction courtesy of Rupert Wyatt, who helmed Rise of the Planet of the Apes. And the scope is massive, with the show boasting jaw-dropping production design--the series was shot in Richmond, Virginia, and used many exterior sets left behind from Steven Spielberg's Lincoln.

    Sctatch that (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 06:44:31 PM EST
    Apparently it started two week ago.  How the hell did I miss that.  Anyway the first episodes are available at AMC dot com which I intend to watch before watching the one the DVR grabs tonight.

    I have seen (none / 0) (#101)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 06:52:21 PM EST
    that one advertised when I was watching Mad Men. I was thinking it looked like an interesting series.

    That's what I get (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 06:58:46 PM EST
    For not being a Madmen fan

    Not enough bloodshed


    Maybe the producers of "Mad Men" ... (none / 0) (#103)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 08:46:46 PM EST
    ... can talk Quentin Tarantino into directing the concluding episode, in which all the women with whom Don has slept and wronged over the years suddenly appear at his Manhattan condo all at once in the final scene to surprise and confront him while bearing samurai swords, and accompanied by Elton John's "All the Nasties," they proceed to slash him repeatedly before he finally escapes his tormentors by bodily throwing himself off the balcony and falling to his death just like the animated guy in the series' opening credits, only Tarantino shows him as he plunges through the roof of a passing city bus full of passengers, breaking the driver's neck and causing the bus to careen out of control down the street taking out multiple cars and pedestrians alike, before plowing directly into the side of a building and exploding into flames. Fade to black and roll closing credits as the Elton John song concludes.

    You know, I think I'm in the wrong business. ;-D


    I'm down with everything (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 09:10:31 PM EST
    But Elton John.  

    Second that. Elton John, that is. (none / 0) (#105)
    by oculus on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 10:58:29 PM EST
    Why oh why did the royals have him perform in Westminster Abbey?

    Elton John's early work is impeccable. (none / 0) (#107)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 11:51:36 PM EST
    oculus: "Why oh why did the royals have him perform in Westminster Abbey?"

    But after the 1970s, with a few notable exceptions such as his 2004 album Songs from the West Coast, he's all too frequently become his own best parody in pop culture as the proverbial b*tchy old queen. And yeah, he really should never have been allowed to perform in Westminster Abbey. But that shouldn't detract from the overall quality of his early music.



    Doubtless. (none / 0) (#109)
    by oculus on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 01:26:37 AM EST
    Elton is like bumper stickers (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 08:09:59 AM EST
    I love the idea of bumper stickers but I would never put one on my car

    Well, I obviously differentiate between ... (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 01:19:03 PM EST
    ... today's raging queen and his music from an earlier era, which I really love.

    Like him or not, Elton John enjoyed a rather phenomenal run in the rock music scene during the 1970s that's been unmatched before or since by any one particular musician or group, save for the Beatles in the mid- to late '60s. Coming out with Billboard's No. 1 album for five successive years (1970-74) provided the base which gave him his subsequent staying power in the music business.

    It only follows that problems would naturally arise when EJ allowed the consummate musical artist within him to be greedily devoured by his own over-the-top pop persona, which I think can actually be traced back to his splashy cameo as The Pinball Wizard in the popular and crazy 1975 Ken Russell film Tommy. In my opinion, the overall quality of his work product fell off markedly after his 1977 album Blue Moves.



    I confess to being a huge EJ fan (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 03:02:32 PM EST
    in high school - those were his peak years in the early 70s. Those records still stand the test for time for me. I love his rock piano style. His voice wasn't technically great, but that just made him write songs that most of us could sing along with too.  He always had great backing musicians and singers, and of course put on quite a show. In fact his was the first rock concert I saw, probably in 1975, from the nosebleed section of the now-demolished Chicago Stadium.

    I still sing "Grey Seal" in my head regularly.


    I like the first two a lot (none / 0) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 03:06:51 PM EST
    Interested in what you think of the link I just posted upthread about the sex scene we were talking about.

    The author of the piece seems t interpret what happened as a rape. I did really read it like that.  I read it more the way it is described in the quoted book text.  No no yes yes.YES.


    hahaha (none / 0) (#168)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 03:16:23 PM EST
    I can't get to the entire link from my work computer. Will check it out at home later though - that is where I do all my incest rape reading :-)

    Watching that scene (none / 0) (#176)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 04:37:48 PM EST
    I was wondering for a minute if the no's were turning into yes's...and then I was horrified because there really was no good option...if she stuck with no, she's getting raped by her brother, if she goes with yes,she is having consensual sex with her brother...next to their son's dead body.

    Give me Arya sticking a sword through someone's throat any day.


    I just rewatched the scene (none / 0) (#177)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 05:22:00 PM EST
    I would say it was ultimately more no than yes.  Which is an interesting difference from the quoted book text.  

    That was what I thought on first viewing (none / 0) (#182)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 07:00:59 PM EST
    And I don't want to see it again, so thanks for that!

    I have been haunting the local (none / 0) (#131)
    by oculus on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:02:06 AM EST
    piano dealers. One has a large "Elton John sign" outside next to "Steinway" and "Yamaha."  Inside there is a large screen w/a video of the former. Not a good sales tactic for moi.

    You know what would've been a good video? (none / 0) (#147)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 12:53:17 PM EST
    Painful! (none / 0) (#156)
    by oculus on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 02:19:46 PM EST
    LOL! "Not any more." (none / 0) (#179)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 06:18:34 PM EST
    C'mon, admit it -- you smiled subversively when you saw that scene!

    Yes, I laughed. I hate white pianos almost as much (none / 0) (#186)
    by oculus on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:22:30 PM EST
    as I detest Elton John!

    I think it's the perfect song ... (none / 0) (#106)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 11:35:28 PM EST
    ... with which to kiss Don bye-bye. It's contemporary to the early 1970s era in which "Mad Men" will end its run, since it's the ninth track on EJ's 1971 album "Madman Across the Water." And if you listen closely to Bernie Taupin's lyrics, "Nasties" speaks of a troubled soul that's perpetually locked in a struggle with the truth, which pretty much sums up Don Draper -- an advertising executive who's the ultimate phony -- in a nutshell.

    We'll accept Tarantino as director, but he's not allowed to pick his own music soundtrack. He lost that right when he purloined David Bowie's "Cat People" -- which was actually the original title track for the 1981 movie of the same name -- for a wholly inappropriate use in Inglorious Basterds. ;-D



    Actually (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 08:43:14 AM EST
    The music is my favorite part of his films usually.  I love his music choices.

    That may be. But in this case, ... (none / 0) (#143)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 12:39:18 PM EST
    ... ripping a tune that was specifically written by David Bowie and George Moroder as the title track for another, earlier and entirely different film was neither a good idea or a good fit. I mean, it's called "Cat People" for a reason.

    Bowie was probably rolling his eyes and laughing all the way to the bank after licensing the rights to that song to Tarantino for this particular purpose. From my own perspective, the 1981 film "Cat People" so happens to have been one of my favorite movies while back in college (I was crushin' on Nastassja Kinski), and hearing its title track used in Basterds was a sacrilege that only made me want to throw rotten tomatoes at the theatre screen, had I only had some in my possession at the time.



    I would have put After Dark (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 08:50:26 AM EST
    From Dusk till Dawn at #1.  I am not into women (in THAT way) and it still made me wet



    The musical rule of thumb ... (none / 0) (#152)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 01:28:55 PM EST
    ... in "Mad Men" is that its soundtrack must be comprised entirely of tunes from the show's onscreen era. Sorry, but as good as "After Dark" is, it does not meet that basic standard.

    Ha (none / 0) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:41:38 AM EST
    Unbelievably I did not know what the #1 pick was until after I posted that link and was going down the list listening.

    hahaha, y'all are sick (none / 0) (#120)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:42:31 AM EST
    That is why I hang out here.

    Want to know about the spoiler? (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:43:25 AM EST
    Aren't we, now? (none / 0) (#144)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 12:40:37 PM EST

    Yes, visually, TURN (none / 0) (#146)
    by KeysDan on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 12:48:49 PM EST
    is a treat.   The Revolutionary War makes for an interesting spy setting, and the treatment of prisoners and rogues resonates with  modern days.   It is getting better with each episode.

    Ordinarily I'd be all over it (none / 0) (#174)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 03:25:56 PM EST
    but my brain is already too tired zapping locations between Mad Men, Game of Thrones, Call the Midwife, and Blechly Circle.

    I'll have to add it to a future binge watch list.


    What Kids Will Do, Part MMCMLXIV: (none / 0) (#108)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 12:48:09 AM EST
    A 16-year-old California boy who ran away from home and stowed away today in the wheel well of a Hawaiian Airlines B767 is very lucky to be alive tonight, having somehow survived the 5-1/2 hour flight from San Jose to Maui at 38,000 feet and sub-zero temperatures.

    Airline employees discovered him wandering around the Kahului Airport tarmac shortly after the flight landed at 11:00 a.m. He was questioned by the FBI but will not be charged with a crime, and is currently in the custody of Hawaii Child Protective Services pending an investigation of his home situation by that agency's California counterparts.


    My mom brain just imploded (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:03:12 AM EST
    I got nuthin :)

    I hear you. (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 12:10:42 PM EST
    Like I said, the boy's really very lucky to even be alive. Very few people have ever survived such a reckless stunt.

    A Honolulu-based investigator for the FAA has speculated that the retained heat from the landing gear's hydraulics and tires may have saved the boy from freezing to death in the nearly 80-below temperatures that would've otherwise existed at the plane's designated cruising altitude of 38,000 feet that morning.

    The boy, who's from Santa Clara (a city immediately adjacent to San Jose Int'l Airport), was found wandering the OGG tarmac in a daze by Hawaiian Airlines personnel and clearly suffering from hypothermia, having blacked out from hypoxia (lack of oxygen) as the widebody jet climbed to its cruising altitude. He had no identification on his person and no money, and had regained consciousness only after the plane had already landed and was parked at the gate.

    In fact, the B767 was actually in the process of being boarded by passengers and readied by HA ground crews for a return flight to the west coast, this time to Oakland. The discovery of the stowaway resulted in the immediate grounding of that plane by federal authorities pending investigation, and OAK-bound passengers already on board were forced to disembark and then wait for another jet to be ferried over from the airline's primary base hub at HNL, 100 miles to the west.

    Surveillance video from SJC since retained by federal authorities apparently confirms that the boy hopped that airport's perimeter fence on the north side of the terminal and snuck onto the ramp area. He looks to have then simply climbed into the wheel well of the nearest available plane, which so happened to be Hawaiian Airlines Flight No. 45, B767 nonstop service to Kahului, Maui. That airline's designated gate at SJC is the very last one at the terminal's north concourse.

    Extraordinarily dumb and extremely fortunate. This is why teenagers should never be considered adults, for any reason.



    I don't understand how he did not fall (none / 0) (#151)
    by vml68 on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 01:25:45 PM EST
    out of the wheel well after the landing gear came down in preparation for descent, considering he was unconscious.
    He really is lucky.

    You're not alone. (none / 0) (#189)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 02:16:16 AM EST
    From today's New York Times:

    "In fact, the boy is in the minority among wheel-well stowaways. According to the Federal Aviation Administration, since 1947, worldwide, 105 people have stowed away on 94 flights in the space where the main landing gear or the nose wheel fits. The cold and low oxygen levels at cruise altitudes killed 80 of them, for a mortality rate of 76 percent. Often their bodies were found miles from the arrival airport, below the spot where the pilots opened the doors and lowered the gear for landing." (Emphasis is mine.)



    Nate Silver = plugged nickel (none / 0) (#115)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:11:07 AM EST
    I'll just throw that book out now.

    Obama doesn't torture (none / 0) (#167)
    by Slado on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 03:16:21 PM EST
    He kills captive prisoners?!? (none / 0) (#181)
    by Yman on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 06:54:19 PM EST
    ... or are you talking about something entirely different?

    Well, this is precious (none / 0) (#173)
    by jbindc on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 03:25:19 PM EST
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 06:34:00 PM EST
    That's simply Quentin Tarantino's opinion. (none / 0) (#183)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 07:17:22 PM EST
    Suffice to say that his own style of filmmaking and that employed by Cat People director Paul Schrader are vastly different in both tempo and tone. In that regard, he really shouldn't be judging other people's film work by re-editing and re-writing them in his own mind, unless he's inviting others to publicly do the same to his work and then size up his perceived shortcomings accordingly.

    I freely admit that I didn't care for Inglourious Basterds, and I don't mind saying what I didn't like about it. But were I an acclaimed and successful filmmaker like Schrader, I would never criticize Tarantino on the basis of what I'd do were Basterds my film, for the simple fact that it's his work and not mine. Further, I also recognize that my personal opinion is squarely in the minority, particularly given that film's accolades, and it would be highly presumptuous and self-absorbed of me to insist or even hint that I could somehow do it better.

    But to address Tarantino's point about David Bowie's song, my opinion only, but had that song been employed in the film Cat People in the manner which Tarantino appears to suggest, its effect would frankly have been the equivalent of someone dropping a full tray of drink glasses on the floor in the middle of a violin concerto.

    The song was written specifically to be Cat People's title track. It was never meant to become part of the film's main musical score, by which director Schrader endeavored to enhance the dark and foreboding mood of the story, and not slap both the film's plot and its audience upside the head simultaneously with a highly inappropriate pop culture musical placement. And if ever you see Cat People, you'll know what I mean.


    I actually have the DVD (none / 0) (#184)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 07:22:33 PM EST
    Of both versions.   I think I like Simone Simone BW version best.

    I like that version, too. (none / 0) (#187)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 01:13:16 AM EST

    I don't agree obviously (none / 0) (#185)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 07:39:43 PM EST
    I was surfing around to se what others thought and found a lot of appreciation for QTs use of the song and very little disapproval.  Which shoul not effect your opinion obviously. Everyone has one. I only mention it because the weight of opinion is pretty striking.  This bit from a VERY long wordpress post seems to sum up most of what I found.


    It didn't matter, because the sound-picture Moroder created for Bowie gave him the license to go gloriously over the top. Bowie's sepulchral croon in the opening verses (it seems like a near-parody of Jim Morrison at times) plays against Moroder's minimalist percussive tracks--a repeating cymbal pattern, clattered sticks--and droning, yearning synth lines. And the sudden octave-leaping explosion of "putting out fire....WITH GAS-OH-LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE!" that triggers the "full band" entrance is a magnificent moment, giving Bowie such presence that everything that follows, everything stupid and campy about the song (and there's lots), is just burned away--Bowie rips into lines like "it's been so long" or "you wouldn't believe what I've BEEN THROUGH" as in a fever. The track goes on far too long, the backing singers eventually try to defuse Bowie, but there's a lurid, pulp power to the track--the film it's scored for seems unworthy of it.

    Nearly two decades later, "Cat People" found its true role, used by Quentin Tarantino in Inglourious Basterds for a sequence that reveals the plans of the Jewish avenger Shoshanna Dreyfus (Mélanie Laurent) to condemn and massacre a cinema full of Nazis. Used here, lines like "it's been so long" or "judgement made can never bend" suddenly sharpened, gained bloody, righteous purpose. "Cat People" now seems written for Laurent, who was born two years after it was recorded; in her, the song finally found its muse.


    It's quite an interesting and Bowie musical history if you agree with that bit or not



    I love David Bowie ... (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 02:09:22 AM EST
    ... almost as much as early Elton John. He was doing things in the 1970s that other artists were thinking was progressive two decades later.

    My favorite Bowie album is The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars from 1972. My older sister gave it to me for my 12th birthday, and my mother was not amused by the subject matter but to her credit let me keep it and play it.

    Of course, as a 12-year-old I didn't quite get at the time what the album was really all about. ("I smiled sadly at a love I could not obey; Lady Stardust sang his songs of darkness and dismay.") I just thought it sounded totally cool and made me somehow look sophisticated while everyone else my age was listening to David Cassidy.

    I'm just going to have to disagree with Tarantino's opinion about Paul Schrader's use of Bowie's "Cat People" in the closing credits, and other people's opinions regarding his own use of that song in Basterds. Schrader is not the sort of director in the mold of Tarantino, whose work is hard-wired to pop-culture zeitgeist. Further, the film Cat People is not the sort of story that would lend itself well to Tarantino's talents.

    Schrader's films tend to be more stylish in a noir sort of away, and he certainly hasn't shied away from onscreen depictions of graphic violence and dark subject matter, given that he wrote the screenplays for two of Martin Scorsese's most revered films, Taxi Driver and Raging Bull. As a director, his work includes such critically acclaimed films as American Gigolo (1980), Patty Hearst (1988), Affliction (1997) and AutoFocus (2002).

    (And if you haven't yet seen it, please check out Schrader's brilliant and visually stunning 1985 film Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters, which debuted at Cannes and took the Film Festival by storm. I think you're someone who will really appreciate his work here.)

    Tarantino is good at scoring his movies with contemporary music, and I find it effective as long as his underlying story is contemporaneous. But while using well-known rock and pop music to score period pieces like Basterds and D'Jango is a daring move in a certain respect, the result in my opinion often falls flat.

    Again, Cap'n, thanks for the great conversation. It's been fun to discuss movies and music with you, and learn new things about iconic figures like Andy Warhol and Lou Reed from someone who experienced that particular era first hand. I'm going to go under the knife tomorrow, and will be out of commission for a few days. I'll catch up with you when I get back in the saddle.



    Our thoughts will be with you (none / 0) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 05:56:00 AM EST
    I'll be sending good thoughts your way, Donald. (none / 0) (#191)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 09:35:59 AM EST
    I hope it goes well for you.