Rudy Giulani's Shows His True Colors

Rudy Giuliani is justly taking a heap of justly deserved criticism for his comments on Meet the Press about race and crime today. In a discussion about Ferguson and the disproportionate number of white cops in neighborhoods with a large minority population, he complained that too much attention was being paid to the Michael Brown shooting. He rattled off statistics about black on black crime. When another guest on the show objected, he said:

“White police officers wouldn’t be there,” Giuliani said, “if you weren’t killing each other.”

You can watch the segment here.

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    It seems (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by lentinel on Sun Nov 23, 2014 at 09:04:55 PM EST
    to be a trait of people who are identified as "conservative", that they consider it permissible to talk over and interrupt people with whom they are supposed to be having a discussion.

    I can't stand it.

    and Guiliani - coming out of the garbage bin to try for the White House in 2016.

    The pits.

    He does seem to have political (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Sun Nov 23, 2014 at 09:10:38 PM EST
    aspirations.  Case in point, he was quite "out their" opposing the Metropolitan Opera's decision to present "The Death of Klinghoffer."

    The Met does Hogan's Heroes? (none / 0) (#5)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 23, 2014 at 10:33:01 PM EST
    Okay, that made me laugh (none / 0) (#10)
    by sj on Mon Nov 24, 2014 at 01:34:37 PM EST
    When the facts support your contention, ... (none / 0) (#3)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 23, 2014 at 09:14:01 PM EST
    ... you emphasize the facts. When the facts say otherwise, you deny them loudly and pound the table.

    What I (none / 0) (#6)
    by lentinel on Mon Nov 24, 2014 at 05:24:51 AM EST
    don't get is why these blowhards are consistently allowed to get away with it.

    Of course, if it is the host interrupting, a la O'Reilly, there's not much one can do. Why anyone goes on his show to be subjected to his stupidity is beyond me.

    But in the format above, the moderator sits by, letting Guiliani froth at the mouth while Dyson is attempting to talk. I couldn't really hear anything that Dyson was saying. And Dyson just looked uncomfortable while Rudy was bellowing. I wished he would - or someone would have - just yelled, "Shut the f-ck up, Rudy, you worthless hasbeen sack of sh-t!"

    Excuse my French.


    Saw it yesterday morning and left with (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by scribe on Mon Nov 24, 2014 at 09:06:57 AM EST
    the dashed hope that someone would counter him by reminding the audience that "It's Giuliani Time!" means a white cop ramming a plunger handle up a black guy's anus in a police station bathroom.

    Because he can.

    Povery leads to crime, drug crime leads to violenc (none / 0) (#4)
    by TheEvilOne on Sun Nov 23, 2014 at 09:20:02 PM EST
    Of course underclass Afro-Americans engage in blue collar crime.

    A thinking person should not be surprised that the underclass black ghettos are hot beds of violent crime because they are also hot beds of extreme poverty. This is not having to do without luxuries poverty it is will we pay the electricity  bill or eat this week poverty or lets blow it all on crack poverty.  

    The only avenue open to urban Blacks to getting the resources they need is crime and it is not respectable crime, white collar crime involving the siphoning off of a few billions of someone else's money, no it is disgusting blue collar crime, robbing gas stations and convenience stores or engaging in the drug trade.

    Since drugs are illegal disputes related to the drug trade cannot be solved through the law, the only way a drug trafficker can avoid being ripped off by his suppliers or his customers is to project a credible aura of deadly menace and the effort to make it credible necessitates violence.

    Using mind altering substances is normal human behaviour and it is my belief that in themselves even the most demonized drugs such as heroin and cocaine are not terribly harmful, what makes them harmful is prohibition and the lucrative black markets that prohibition creates and the variations in strength that are of the same order of magnitude as the ratio between a fatal dose and an effective one. It is prohibition mandated by people like Rudy Guiliani that causes most of the violence and the rest can be attributed by white flight to the suburbs taking all the industries and jobs with them.

    "Extreme Poverty" (none / 0) (#11)
    by toggle on Mon Nov 24, 2014 at 05:34:22 PM EST
    This claim is bandied about a lot, but it is completely untrue. By traditional measures (shelter, food, clothing, transportation, entertainment, access to education, etc.) there is almost no poverty among black American, even in the ghetto.

    Maybe the expression you're looking for is "relative poverty."


    The poverty is moral (none / 0) (#13)
    by Mikado Cat on Tue Nov 25, 2014 at 04:55:12 AM EST
    not material, and it isn't even a big slice of the community, just enough to keep most of those with morals from speaking out. Look at Ferguson, anybody telling the truth about Brown attacking Wilson had to fear for their lives, but many were still willing to testify to what they saw.

    It was famously (none / 0) (#7)
    by whitecap333 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 at 09:01:24 AM EST
    remarked by someone (I forget who) that the ultimate test of a cultivated mind is the ability to simultaneously entertain contradictory thoughts.  The broader public miserably fails this test.  Their narrow souls balk at the notion that the statistics evidencing abnormal rates of criminal misconduct within the "Black Community" are a function of profiling, overpolicing, and selective enforcement, and that, given the economic disparities imposed by "White privilege," a high rate of "Black crime" is to be expected.  From the perspective of those who have descended, like Prometheus, to light our way with the bright flame of moral awareness, only the morally odious would assign fault to those laboring under the oppressive yoke of institutional racism.

    The person you're paraphrasing ... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 24, 2014 at 08:01:16 PM EST
    ... is F. Scott Fitzgerald.

    How apropos.


    There are a lot of crimes (none / 0) (#9)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 at 09:14:48 AM EST
    Where the arrest and conviction rate differ between African-Americans and Caucasoid-Americans, for an example, possession of marijuana, despite the fact that both groups use the stuff in about the same %  in those respective populations.

    Can you allow a contradictory thought in your mind (none / 0) (#14)
    by Mikado Cat on Tue Nov 25, 2014 at 05:06:45 AM EST
    High incarceration rates make me think that prison does not work as a deterrent in some communities, and something else needs to be tried.

    I don't think the answer is to ignore crimes based on skin color, but the system is not working and needs to be changed.

    Snitches get stitches, if the punishment is greater for becoming an informant, fewer will rat out others and end up doing more jail time.


    Darn (none / 0) (#15)
    by whitecap333 on Tue Nov 25, 2014 at 08:56:06 AM EST
    good thing Giuliani wasn't in charge of St. Louis last night.  Why, someone might have been injured.

    Rudi "White Man's Burden" Giuliani (none / 0) (#16)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Nov 25, 2014 at 12:27:56 PM EST