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Posted on Sat Nov 01, 2014 at 07:40:00 AM EST
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Don't forget to turn your clocks back tonight.

If you could really turn back time, what year would you make it? While you are thinking, along comes Cher to suport Hilllay. "If I Could Turn Back Time."

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    I am now a serious Duck fan (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by ZtoA on Sat Nov 01, 2014 at 11:17:10 PM EST
    I am assured the term is Duck fan and not Ducks fan. I watched my first Ducks game tonite on TV with a couple of good artist-sports nuts friends tonite. Wow that was fun! I went from commenting in the first minute "wow our guys have cool costumes, but what are those bat wings on their shoulders?" to understanding what it means to "get sacked". Evidently Phil Knight gets the Ducks new uniforms (or 'outfuts') for each game!!  I super enjoyed watching that game!! ! ...and I am starting to become aware of the history of the UofO vs the OSU rivalry. I will now start to actually read and not just to pretend to read while scrolling thru, college football threadlets on this blog!

    And speaking of "outfits" I have to admit to a secret liking of Cher. This video, with her 'outfit' (I think I understand the meaning of it) and the visual 'big guns'. Personally I don't want to turn back time since I was not a happy camper back then when I was a younger person. But I am all for 'happy camping' for others!!

    Time change for me means just one more hour of insomnia. I'm looking forward to chewing another piece of an ambien mid night. No worries tho.

    Kdog, I caught a bit of a piece of CNN piece on Ahawaska (sp??) tonite during the Duck ads. I have two close friends who traveled over 2,000 miles and then up the Amazon river to take that around 10 years ago. One had an amazing experience, the other just had a ho-hum experience with the "medicine".  As a teen I tried out every drug available to me - lsd, mushrooms. opium, pot and hash, alcohol, sex, and several others too.  Usually just one time to try it out. Not much cocaine tho - always hated the idea of cocaine and being around people on cocaine. I took the SATs seriously hung over and did not do as well on those as my parents expexted (600s). Oh well. My grades were good, and I really wanted to go into art instead of economics and investments too (to the horror of my dad).

    I always loved being around people who smoked/ate pot/hash tho - could relate. They always thought I was in the same head space, and maybe I was, but I only did those drugs a few times. I always thought "well--- that's it? I can do that to my head naturally so why spend any $ on that?".

    When the Ducks played Auburn in 2011 (none / 0) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 01, 2014 at 11:31:10 PM EST
    For the championship, they a couple of plays that made me clap a little.  I couldn't help it, they were great plays, I'm just wired that way.  Josh wouldn't speak to me after the game was over or kiss me good night...nuthin!

    Beyoncé's latest concert, she has some very revealing outfits.  Josh told me that Beyoncé is really destroying what is appropriate.  Made me giggle. I told him that as far as I was concerned Beyoncé was sort of a Cher ripoff in her latest show and I found this video and showed it to him.  He couldn't believe when it was made.  Everything old is new again.

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    Hahaha! Yes (none / 0) (#3)
    by ZtoA on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 12:32:50 AM EST
    Every thing old is made anew again. Especially sex and war!

    I watched some of those Ducks/Auburn moves on the TV tonite during commercials in this game. Evidently the Ducks have benefited greatly over the years with Phil Knight's support and the great sting of coaches he endowed. Watching those players was such a joy tonite. They have such intelligent mobility!!

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    I am now an even more serious fan of (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 12:35:18 AM EST
    Cicely Tyson, whom I was privileged to see on stage tonight in Horton Foote's play, "A Trip to Bountiful."

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    Love Cicely Tyson (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 09:16:11 AM EST
    ever see the Geraldine Page version?

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    Yes. Terrific film. (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 09:21:15 AM EST


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    Tyson seems to just get better and better (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 09:25:36 AM EST
    with age.  Like some fine wine.

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    Michael Wilson, the director, gave her (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 09:47:25 AM EST
    room to astound us. She breaks into dance while describing going to a dance when she was young.  When she is singing hymns to and with the young woman she meets on the train, Tyson was so animated and convincing. Michael Wilson directed Horton Foote's "Orphan's Home Cycle" in NY. I didn't realize he directed "Bountiful" until I read the playbill after the performance.

    BTW, this production of "Bountiful" was filmed for "Lifetime."

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    Terrific (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 10:06:01 AM EST
    I will set the DVR

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    So (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 10:26:49 AM EST
    i just dropped my premium cable channels.  I decided I don't really like Homeland and The Affair enough to keep paying for the service.  Everything else I care about is in hiatus until sometime next year and I decided I would save 100 bucks a month on my cable bill for a while.
    All my favorite stuff, Horror Story, Walking Dead, The Strain, The Americans,  The Bridge, TURN and some others I'm probably forgetting are all on basic.

    I will definitely want HBO back when Westworld starts.  They are also bringing American Gods and The Dark Tower.  So it will be required next year.  I have to decide if I want The Knick and Banshee enough to get MAX.

    My daughter purchases what she wants to watch (none / 0) (#88)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 09:12:32 AM EST
    Al a carte from Amazon.

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    I do the same thing. (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 11:29:05 AM EST
    Plus pay for Amazon Prime and subscribe to Netflix (still $7.99 a month). I may spend a little more than if I subscribed to cable, but I get to watch what I want, when I want, and commercial free (that alone makes the extra money worth it). I usually purchase full seasons of shows up front (like the season of Walking Dead). For local news and network stuff, I put a digital antenna on my roof. I eagerly await HBO finally getting smart and offering a direct subscription without requiring a cable or satellite subscription.

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    We are talking about the digital antenna too (none / 0) (#154)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 01:35:35 PM EST


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    Not really enjoying The Affair (none / 0) (#89)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 09:13:42 AM EST
    We may join you.

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    I Got Rid of Premium... (none / 0) (#146)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 12:38:13 PM EST
    ...years ago, ditto for going to the movies.  I still rent a few DVD's but for the most part it all ends up on Netflix or Amazon.

    But I am clueless when it comes to current TV/Movie references and I am the jack@ss that has to to tell people, 'no spoiler alerts' for stuff that came out like 2 years ago.

    What I have discovered, that I generally hate all those shows, because when you watch them back to back, you realize the trickery they use to keep you watching doesn't work when there isn't a week of anticipation and media hype.  The same is true to a lesser degree for commercials, to me if there is not a break, the anticipation is greatly reduced.

    Not sure if that is good or bad, but almost everything people have hyped, I can't make it out of season one.  The pulp culture aspect is more influential then I ever considered.  Still can't make it out of season 1 of Breaking Bad, Dexter, or Orange is the new Black.

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    Yeah, there are fewer and fewer (none / 0) (#165)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 02:55:46 PM EST
    I feel the need to see when they are first released. Could definitely have waited for Showtime to give Netflix have Homeland and The Affair.

    Maybe I will break the bonds too.

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    Well (none / 0) (#169)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 03:13:52 PM EST
    as I said there are great things coming on HBO that I will definitely judge worth the price.   And I really really love The Knick.   And another MAX show Banshee.
    As much as I like Outlander and Black Sails on STARZ I may Netflix them.

    I got what DISH calls (something like) the Top 250.  Which gives me all the basics plus the Encore channels, The Movue Channel channels and 5 or 6 other movie type channels.   I really need a commercial free choice.

    But by doing that my bill went from about 180 something  to 80 something buck a month.

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    Nice! I definitly need to re-eavluate my options (none / 0) (#172)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 03:18:28 PM EST
    Bad news re: The Bridge - not picked up for a third season, at least not by the original network it was on  ...was it F/X?

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    That is bad news (none / 0) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 03:24:20 PM EST
    But everybody's getting into the act.  BBC has a new series with Brian Cox called The Game that looks great.

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    Slado-out there? (none / 0) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 04:00:18 PM EST
    speaking of Walking Dead.  Wondering if you think this season is as totally kick a$$ as I do?   There really has not been a dull moment.

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    More Catholic than the Pope: (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 02:37:10 PM EST
    Conservatives certainly have their panties all knotted up in a bunch over that wild and crazy Pope Francis, to the point where they now want to go Old Testament on His Holiness's a$$.

    That's perfectly understandable, really, given this Pontiff's cockamamie notion that serving the greater good for humanity's sake actually matters more than kowtowing to an increasingly politicized and militant conservative doctrine.

    Ross Douthat, the professional Catholic convert who loves to lecture the rest of us about what it takes to be a real Catholic -- and to think of all those years I wasted as a youth in Catholic schools -- goes so far as to warn Francis that the Holy Mother Church stands on the precipice of schism.

    With all due respect, Douthat is the type of holier-than-thou guy for whom my late Catholic grandmother had no patience or use, the man who wears his religion so prominently on his sleeve while failing to make room for true faith in his own heart.

    Like I and others here have said before, I'm really liking Pope Francis. If Douthat and the other malcontented Catholic retrogrades want to long for the olden days when the Magdalene Laundries was once considered enlightened social policy, then let them seek the Lord themselves armed only with a washboard, bucket of scalding water and some dirty sheets, all under the watchful eye of Sister Mary Hellsablazin.

    Have a blessed day.

    You know, I do find frequently (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by Zorba on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 03:20:49 PM EST
    that the converts to Eastern Orthodoxy tend to be way more, shall I say, rigid and gung-ho about their adopted religion, whereas a lot (not all, but a lot) of the cradle Orthodox (as we call ourselves) are more laid back and much less rigid about the whole thing.  The converts do tend to lecture the rest of us, as well.
    It seems as if the Roman Catholic Church suffers from the same type of thing.
    Maybe Douthat should change his name to "Doubt-that" when it comes to the Pope's actions and pronouncements.
    Oh, and BTW, when the Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch attended Pope Francis' installation in Rome (a truly historic and significant event), guess who had the most problems with that?  A lot of our converts (as well, of course, as did the most conservative elements of the Orthodox Church).
    I do like Pope Francis.  I just wish he wasn't so old.  May he have a long life!


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    Agreed. (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 04:36:42 PM EST
    When it comes to religion, I find nothing more annoying and irritating than the furious fervor of the converted faithful -- or perhaps that should be, the faithfully converted. Listening to bozos like Ross Douthat makes me want to go retro as well, and toss a few of them into the Halem'uma'u lava lake on Kilauea to appease the wrath of Pele.

    While such people have every right to conduct their own personal lives in accordance with whatever they perceive "the Lord's Truth" to be, their faith does not endow them with the divine authority to define for the rest of us the parameters by which we're each to practice our own spiritual and / or secular beliefs.

    I was watching a local public television show the other night called "Island Issues." And once again, I had to endure the twisted logic of this crazed Evangelical from New Hope Church, who's running for the state legislature from our district, and promising to work for the repeal of our recently enacted marriage equality statutes because such laws are "an abomination."

    She and I had a serious run-in two months ago at a local candidate's forum over the same issue. When she told me that I was risking eternal damnation by supporting LGBT civil rights, I simply responded that I preferred to keep my own counsel on such matters and that I'd gladly take my chances with the Lord.

    I really do have pathos and empathy for these people, of whom so many have had such messed-up personal lives that religion offers them a promise of order as a counterweight to the chaos. But Lordy, how they do test my patience sometimes!

    Aloha.

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    Keep fighting the good fight, Donald. (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 05:05:38 PM EST
    After viewing some of the Hubble, (et al), observatory pics I find it pretty hard to believe in the petulant, small minded god some people try to jam down our collective gullets.

    The smaller minded the people the smaller minded their god seems to be.  Funny how that works.

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    Well, I have always thought (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Zorba on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 05:07:50 PM EST
    That, if the Evangelicals are right (not that I think they are), Heaven must be a pretty boring place, and all the interesting people are in Hell.   ;-)
    The whole "Rapture" thing that the Evangelicals are so enamored of also makes me wonder about them.  A whole lot.
    As far as I'm concerned, if they're right about this (which I in no way believe they are), then let them be transported up and leave the rest of us reasonable people down here to go on and make a much more decent world without the loonies.
    Okay, maybe I am being unkind to them, but this is what I think.

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    You are sounding like me there (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 05:48:56 PM EST
    i have also thought that the idea of the rapture where all "those people" magically disappear to leave the rest of of in peace never sounded that bad.  

    On another subject of this thread.  I was reading the links in Donald's post about the Pope and one link leads to another and another and another and I was surprised to learn, though I probably should not have been, that the fact that Francis is the AntiChrist is quite a popular conspiracy theory.

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    Don't feel bad (none / 0) (#77)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 07:50:36 AM EST
    I feel the same way and they're also wrong about the rapture according to biblical scholars. Needless to say their kind of rapture might leave the rest of us to live in peace.

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    Josh went to church with his sister yesterday (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 09:44:44 AM EST
    He went to a class titled How To Get Into Heaven 101.  He said afterwards his sister teased him by saying he wouldn't get into heaven.  He snorted back that that has been made pretty clear to him.  He said he didn't take communion either.  I told him that that was okay.  When I was a kid the blood went down okay, but the body of Christ was more difficult.  I didn't chew, chewing Jesus is inappropriate.  So the cracker sat on my tongue and became soft until it felt to me like it had really turned into flesh.  And then I would have to try not to gag.

    He's a hoot.  He says, "Great, first human sacrifice and then cannibalism, nothing pagan to see here :)"

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    There is a Chinese candy (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 09:51:36 AM EST
    known as haw flakes, made from Chinese hawthorn fruit, that is the exact size and shape(not the same color, which is a brownish-red) of communion wafers.  My Scottish-Chinese Catholic mother used to play communion with her friends using this candy as the Host.

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    I can (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 10:36:09 AM EST
    just see Josh using his sarcastic wit over the whole thing. Anyway, tell him that evangelicals believe that if you click your heels together three times and say over and over Jesus is my personal lord and savior you are automatically going to heaven. Remember what you actually do doesn't matter for the most part. Once you're "saved" you pretty much have a blank check.

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    Yup, he said that's what they told him (none / 0) (#137)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 11:33:31 AM EST
    Yesterday.  He can be as good a person as could be imagined and notta!  They also told him there is a book titled 'Can Liberals Go to Heaven?' but I can't find that on Google.  But he was told good works get you nothing while magic words and being saved do.

    Then he started talking about parental pressures, because many of his friends have that with religion.  I expressed sympathy for them.  He then told me that there are many kinds of parental pressure and I have raised him and I practically coded him to be a Liberal but he is developing his own political views.  He was sort of hands on hips :)

    I told him if he had views different than mine he couldn't get into heaven...joke, joke.  Then I asked him what his differing views were.  He said that he has a different view on abortion, and I did suspect that. He also said that he disagrees with me that we contributed to the creation of ISIL, ISIL is all our fault...100%  Joshua has spoken

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    Detrich Bonhoeffer (none / 0) (#148)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 01:00:31 PM EST
    called it "cheap grace" and the evangelicals offer cheap grace but they bucketfuls.

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    by the (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 01:01:29 PM EST
    bucketfuls. I must have Howdy's spellcheck boogieman in my computer.

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    The converted-to-anything (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by christinep on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 06:47:24 PM EST
    can occasionally have the know-it-better-than-those-already-there posture and pronouncement.  OTOH, I realize that it is important for all of us to be shaken/awakened from the complacency of wherever we are, sometimes it seems that recently being imbued with the "aha" can turn some into the Cotton Mather-type of proponent.  Whether the "convert" is the one who gave up smoking or discovered climate change & global warming or evolved from voting for a Reagan/Bush or other Repubs, the changed can decide to preach to all of us who have been in the choir for awhile.

    I really love Pope Francis for so many breath-of-fresh-air reasons.  For one thing, he eschews all kinds of pecking-orders.  Today at Mass, the priest noted on this All Souls Day (aka Dia de los Muertos) that this Pope has a practice of going to the cemetery on All Saints Day (November 1st) as a reminder of the unity of all of us, ordinary people and saints, and as a reminder that we all have the saint within us.  (Later, when I went to the cemetery to visit my sister's earthly resting place, I told her that.)  What a wonderful, hopeful view of life and of heaven!

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    Agreed. (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 11:50:02 PM EST
    I believe that at this troubled juncture in its long history, the Roman Catholic Church is truly blessed to have a good and decent soul like Francis at its helm.

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    The danger of a schism in the (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by KeysDan on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 05:12:56 PM EST
    Catholic Church is a vapid voice like that of Ross Douthat.  He and his conservative ilk want it both ways: endorse the authority of the Pope when you agree with the views proposed and question it when you do not.  His vapidity of argument is illustrated by his illustration of Henry VIII and, in its way, papal stare decisis.  Douthat does not appear to get the complicated historical context and the specifics of a King who off'd two of his wives. Not much of an argument in opposition to communion for the remarried.
    For almost two decades, John Paul II and Benedict XVI have systematically tried to undermine and unravel Vatican II.  A happy period for conservatives; but a period of "just get over it, we have our Pope"  to  those who believed in the revolutionary changes set forth in 1962-1965.  Douthat et at. need to relax and try to understand even if that is not in their make-up.

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    Both articles linked (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 03:12:44 PM EST
    are sort of shocking to an outsider.  

    Let's start with the lead "is the Pope Catholic?"

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    - More songs about time (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 06:33:51 PM EST
    Time in a Bottle, by Jim Croce.

    Kurt Weill's September Song, sung by Lou Reed

    Love is so short, forgetting love so long... - from Neruda's The Saddest Poem, interpreted by Ute Lemper in her collection of a dozen Pablo Neruda poems, part of which you can listen to here.

    Chambers (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 06:39:18 PM EST
    Brothers

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    DA-um (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 06:48:34 PM EST
    i hate when the iPad does that

    Chambers Brothers 12 minute psychedelic version of TIME HAS COME TODAY

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    Even better (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 06:55:31 PM EST

    Chambers Brothers - Time Has Come Today (Rare live extended version...louder audio)

    15 mins

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    Btw (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 03:35:47 PM EST
    this might be subtitled "the original MORE COWBELL".

    I saw them do this live once for about 30-40 minutes.  It's an experience your head never fully recovers from.

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    Had you heard ... (none / 0) (#183)
    by sj on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 04:35:05 PM EST
    ... about this? I haven't heard any more about the kickstarter campaign for Lester Chambers since 2012.

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    I actually learned about it (none / 0) (#184)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 04:41:11 PM EST
    when I was looking for those videos.  Great that such an iconic entertainer may find a happy ending after all these years.

    Love this

    "We've got a lawyer now," Chambers said. "It's called the computer."


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    Speaking of time (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 06:45:28 PM EST
    daylight saving time is always such a shock

    Dark at 5:30.

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    and light at 6 am...that is even more of a shock! (5.00 / 2) (#182)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 04:22:00 PM EST


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    Brittany Murphy.... (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by desertswine on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 10:57:27 PM EST
    fought the good fight, god bless.

    Brittany Maynard (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by Anne on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 06:47:35 AM EST
    not Murphy (Brittany Murphy was the actress who died in 2009).

    Maynard's decision may not have been the one everyone would have made in the same situation, but I completely respect and understand it; just knowing she had the option must have been a comfort to her, and who would want to deny that small measure to someone in the terminal, deteriorating and painful situation she was facing?  

    Godspeed.

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    The late (and great) Frank Zappa (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 11:22:32 AM EST
    once said, "The most important thing to do in your life is to not interfere with somebody else's life."-FZ

    More power to anyone who find it necessary to follow Ms. Maynard's path.


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    I automatically give a 5 (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 11:29:21 AM EST
    to anyone who quotes FZ.

    I also agree.

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    Capt. (none / 0) (#156)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 01:44:29 PM EST
    Do you ever wonder what Frank's take would be on the current state of today's so-called politicians? Frank was no liberal but I believe he would eviscerate today's nutballs on the right.

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    Oh (none / 0) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 03:07:40 PM EST
    almost daily

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    One thing for sure (none / 0) (#173)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 03:18:46 PM EST
    he would make Bill Maher look like a choir boy for his views on religion.  I saw Zappy live many times.  He was VERY political.  One of the last time I saw him there was a gigantic banner over the stage that said TAX THE CHURCHES.

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    If I could turn back time. (5.00 / 2) (#126)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 11:04:29 AM EST
    It would be 1983 and I would be living back in Ocean Beach in San Diego, California. Working the door at the Beach Club, hanging out with Detour Derek and Lost Boys and driving my 1965 split windshield VW Transporter camper conversion. Uniform of the day, OP shorts, flip flops and a t-shirt from a local watering hole.

    I would not turn back time (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by CST on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 01:43:54 PM EST
    I've earned every year, wouldn't want to give any of them back, and I wouldn't want to live any of them over again.

    Maybe to a couple months ago, there's some things I'd do differently - but that's it.  Anything further back then that and you start running into the law of unintended consequences.  And if you put a gun to my head I'd probably say that the things I'd redo from a few months ago were probably for the best in the long run, it's just in the short run it can be hard to keep the big picture in mind.

    Half of "Click and Clack (5.00 / 4) (#160)
    by Zorba on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 02:30:05 PM EST
    The Tappet Brothers" of NPR's Car Talk fame, has died.
    Rest in peace, Tom Magliozzi.  You and your brother Ray provided us with many, many hours of entertainment and information about our vehicles.  You will be missed.
    Link

    Ah jeez. (none / 0) (#161)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 02:35:10 PM EST


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    Don't drive like my brother. (none / 0) (#162)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 02:37:27 PM EST


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    And don't drive (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by Zorba on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 03:49:18 PM EST
    like my brother.   ;-)

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    Don't (none / 0) (#179)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 04:02:15 PM EST
    drive like my 21 year old son. He has gotten two tickets in less than a year.

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    Audiobook recommendation (5.00 / 3) (#167)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 03:10:09 PM EST
    Alan Cumming's "Not My Father's Son", read by the author.  He tells the story of his boyhood in Scotland and physical and mental abuse from his father, interspersed with anecdotes from his later/current life, and research into his ancestry.  I am glad the later stories, told with great wit and charm, are interspersed with the horror of his childhood or it would be really hard to listen to.

    If you want Alan's beautiful voice in your head for many hours (and who wouldn't?), give it a listen.  

    When did Fox News premier? (5.00 / 2) (#168)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 03:13:41 PM EST
    I'd like to turn back time to right before that, when it was still possible to have a rational political discussion with Republicans.

    The irony (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 03:18:04 PM EST
    is that you can predict with 95% certainty what they are going to say before they say it. They all seem to use preprogrammed talking points. I think it's hilarious that you can speak to five different conservatives and they will say almost exactly the same thing.

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    It's not just conservatives (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 04:15:24 PM EST
    It's pretty easy to predict what lots of hard core liberals (on TV and in real life) are going to say as well.

    This blog is a very good example.

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    Acutally (none / 0) (#181)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 04:19:35 PM EST
    this blog is NOT a good example of that. The big orange is.

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    I can pretty much guess (none / 0) (#186)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 04:44:29 PM EST
    what most people around here are going to say on any given topic.

    Like watching MSNBC.  Fox doesn't have the market cornered on that one.

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    true dat (none / 0) (#192)
    by sj on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 04:51:28 PM EST
    That still doesn't make this a liberal blog.

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    The commenters are (none / 0) (#198)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 05:10:20 PM EST
    I should have referred to the comments and not the blog itself.

    But most of you are pretty predictable on most subjects.  I am in some ways too, but I think my comments have to do more with the contests and horse racing aspect rather than what I think is good policy.  Unfortunately, some people around here who don't choose to read very carefully conflate that with "support".

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    I don't conflate your (5.00 / 2) (#202)
    by sj on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 05:17:15 PM EST
    analysis with advocacy. I've made that distinction many a time.

    And I think as individuals most long-time commenters are quite predictable also. But that still doesn't make this a liberal blog.

    I know this for sure because I am a wild-eyed, knee-jerk, tree-hugging, safety net supporting, union-loving, know-I-missed-stuff, bleeding-heart liberal. :)

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    In my view (none / 0) (#191)
    by sj on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 04:50:33 PM EST
    the big orange is more neo-liberal than liberal.

    And I agree that "this blog" isn't a good example either. Like BigO, there are plenty of non-liberals here.

    Without rancor, I would say that jb with her appreciation of authority is a prime example of the type of commenter that keeps this from being a "liberal blog". As are J's views on gun control.

    There is a commenter for whom the military does no wrong.

    There is a commenter to whom Obama is wise and insightful.

    All of those are opinions, and as such are perfectly valid. But they aren't liberal.

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    Mmmm... (none / 0) (#201)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 05:16:19 PM EST
    I prefer to think of myself more as not jumping into to the "all authority is bad" bandwagon as a knee-jerk reaction without actually looking at all the facts (or ignoring those facts that inconveniently show that yes, some/many people that are accused of crimes are actually, you know, guilty).  That doesn't mean I'm not liberal in other respects.  But, whatever.


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    I know, darlin' (5.00 / 2) (#204)
    by sj on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 05:18:31 PM EST
    Mmmm... (none / 0) (#201)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 04:16:19 PM MDT

    I prefer to think of myself more as not jumping into to the "all authority is bad" bandwagon as a knee-jerk reaction without actually looking at all the facts...

    I know. We all have self-delusions. It's okay.

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    Is it just me? (5.00 / 2) (#187)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 04:44:39 PM EST
    i don't think I have ever just wanted an election to be over as much as this one.   I'm starting to not even care who wins.  I just want it to be over.

    Sadly it almost certainly won't be until January.

    No, not just you (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 05:03:14 PM EST
    I think that ever since I learned at some point over a year ago that due to the configuration of Senate seats up for election this time, the GOP was highly likely to take the Senate back, I resigned myself to that and just want to get it over with. The only thing in doubt is whether Dems lose enough seats for it to be considered 'a GOP wave', but the media is going to make their minds up about that depending on what narrative they have decided on, so the actual results barely matter.

    I am most interested in the FL gov race - will we get the sleazy ex Republican, or the sleazy current Republican?

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    This weekend I watched (5.00 / 1) (#206)
    by sj on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 05:23:19 PM EST
    Some episodes on my DVR that were there since early this summer (don't ask). Many of the same type of Corey Gardner commercials as those playing now.

    Yeah, I can't wait for it to be over.

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    For everyone who may be gasping (2.00 / 2) (#208)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 06:47:52 PM EST
    for air after reading the latest prediction from the UN, I note that one of the most important requirements of a Scientific Theory is that it have
    predictive capability.

    pre·dic·tive
    prəˈdiktiv/
    adjective
    relating to or having the effect of predicting an event or result.
    "predictive accuracy"

    But none of the wild claims of doom made by the UN's hoxers have come true.

    A preliminary draft of a report by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was leaked to the public this month, and climate skeptics say it contains fresh evidence of 20 years of overstated global warming.

    The report -- which is not scheduled for publication until 2014 -- was leaked by someone involved in the IPCC's review process, and is available for download online. Bloggers combing through the report discovered a chart comparing the four temperature models the group has published since 1990. Each has overstated the rise in temperature that Earth actually experienced.

    "Temperatures have not risen nearly as much as almost all of the climate models predicted," Roy Spencer, a climatologist at the University of Alabama at Huntsville, told FoxNews.com.

    Link

    There now. We can all relax.

    Up early, I forgot (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 07:20:19 AM EST
    Neil Patrick Harris has joined the Freak Show, the American Horror Story: Freak Show that is. Sources confirm to E! News that Harris and his husband David Burtka will appear at the tail end of the FX hit's current season.

    NEWS/ Yes, All of American Horror Story's Seasons Are Connected!

    And now, co-creator Ryan Murphy has finally ended the speculation: All of AHS' seasons are in fact connected!
    "They're all connected. We're just beginning to tell you how they're connected," Murphy said in an interview with EW.com. "They're all very separate but there's clues every season that we're now telling you how the different worlds are intertwined."
    SNL (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 07:29:23 AM EST
    Cristi, FOX News, Ebola

    Conservatives speaking for themselves (none / 0) (#7)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 08:11:04 AM EST
    Conservatives Are Already Freaking Out About Jeb Bush's Possible Run For President

    During a prominent gathering of conservatives in the first-in-the-nation primary state of New Hampshire, the largest spattering of boos among the crowd didn't come at speakers' frequent mentions of President Barack Obama.

    The loudest jeers came when a speaker would mention former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.
    ...
    Steve Deace, a prominent conservative in the crucial early presidential state of Iowa, summed up conservatives' problem with Jeb Bush: He's everything they hated about Romney, and nothing they liked about him.

    " I'm saying there's a chance" Bush could win the backing of conservatives and the nomination, Deace told Business Insider in an email, adding, "The same chance I have to  look good in a thong."

    It is a long article but the political junkies among us should read the whole thing.

    I think this (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by KeysDan on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 09:57:12 AM EST
    Steve Deace guy has been inhaling the toxic fumes of his Iowa cohort, Joni Ernst,  too long.  And, if the Republicans do take the US Senate he will be all the more emboldened in his quest for a high wacko presidential candidate.  But, he underestimates both the Republicans, who, when it comes down to it,  want to win with any warm body,  and Jeb Bush. the elastic, cellophane man.  

    Jeb is the smartest member of the Bush family, which is not, admittedly, a high bar when considering W. and Daddy.  Jeb will be as nimble as Romney but with  disingenuousness that is less glaringly apparent.  And, the Republicans will warm to his deceit.   Deace would be well advised to get to a gym, just in case that thong needs donning.   Bush/Miss Lindsey 2016. .

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    While your comment is thought provoking (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 10:19:56 AM EST
    as always, the 5 was for

    Deace would be well advised to get to a gym, just in case that thong needs donning.

    I almost took it back due to the fact that the thought of Miss Lindsey anywhere near the White House gives me nightmares.

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    And Jeb (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 10:07:17 AM EST
    has a Latina wife

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    And "little brown ones" (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 10:10:01 AM EST
    per Grandpa.

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    And just look how well they did as parents! (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 03:37:55 PM EST
    Daughter Noelle fell in love with oxycontin and got arrested arrested for prescription fraud, while son George P. took Daddy's car and performed a series of figure-eights on the lawn of his ex-girlfriend's parents after she broke up with him.

    Of course, neither kids nor Daddy Jeb can hold a candle to the brazen deeds of Great-Grandpa Prescott Bush and Great-Great-Grandpa George Walker, wanton admirers of Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini who were first implicated in a plot to overthrow President Franklin Roosevelt in 1934 because he took the country off the gold standard, and then were later found to still be doing business with Nazi Germany -- in late 1942, no less.

    It's really too bad that FDR didn't take the time to have Prescott Bush and George Walker arrested for treason when he had the opportunity, and then have the family's assets confiscated. He could've saved his nation a whole lot of grief some fifty to sixty years hence.

    Aloha.

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    Now, now, Donald (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Zorba on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 03:58:01 PM EST
    I don't believe that what the kids do when they are older is necessarily the fault of the parents.  Sometimes, you do everything you can do as parents, and the kids still go off the rails.
    And I really don't think that the sins of our grandparents, great-grandparents, and other ancestors, transfer to future generations.  I don't blame current Germans for what the Nazis did, and I don't blame current Turks for what the Ottoman Empire did to the Greeks, the Armenians, and others in the region.  (Well, I do blame them for making it illegal for the Armenian Holocaust to be taught or even mentioned publicly today in Turkey, but that's a different thing.)
    Does that mean that I want Jeb Bush to run?  No, I don't.  I haven't liked the Bushes for a number of years.
    But I don't think it's fair to paint all descendants with the same broad brush.  There are plenty of reasons to dislike Jeb Bush without talking about his kids or his ancestors.

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    I don't even dislike Jeb B. (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 05:09:15 PM EST
    But I do believe that electing a third member of their pseudo dynasty would seal our doom as a nation.  We might as well slap a Stuck-on-Stupid bumpersticker on our national forehead and a Kick-Me bumpersticker on our behind.

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    I don't like (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Zorba on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 05:48:17 PM EST
    the whole idea of family "dynasties," whether Republican or Democrat.  The Republican dynasties, as far as I'm concerned, are way worse.
    But even the Dems (and I'm thinking the Clintons, here) are enamored of the dynastic stuff.  Yes, Hillary, while not my ideal choice, would be way, way better than Jeb.
    We are not a frigging monarchy, and I am sick and tired of the whole idea that, because your last name is "X," you automatically should ascend into politics and be elected.

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    Still (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 05:52:02 PM EST
    the wife of a president seems, to me at least, less dynastic that the son of a president.  Or two sons.  Or a son and grandson.  

    (Yes, Kennedys)

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    Absolutely, the Kennedys. (none / 0) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 11:36:39 PM EST
    Please don't remind me of the time in 1999 when I had the misfortune to squire around town the Honorable Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-RI), who was then chairing the DCCC. The guy hit on my wife's visiting younger sister, a married woman -- and that was the least of it. Now there's one guy who should never have been in Congress, and got there only because of family pedigree.

    I'm generally no fan of the Kennedys, either, although I have come to admire both Robert F. and his brother Edward for their obvious capacity to grow as both persons and politicians -- Robert in particular, given the rather wretched company he kept in the early 1950s.

    How different this country might have turned out, had RFK not been assassinated in June 1968 and instead been elected president that November. You listen to the speeches he gave the last two years of his life, and you can't help but realize that he truly had his finger on the pulse of the nation, and understood what needed to be done.

    Aloha.

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    How would Clinton = Dynasty? (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by nycstray on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 07:25:47 PM EST
    First, she's married to the guy, not bred by him. And second, she has been working and brings her own credentials. It's not like she's trying to go from FLOTUS to POTUS . . . Although she would have been a heck of a lot better than whatshisname (no not the current dude!) if she had . . . :P

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    I can agree only in part, Zorba. (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 05:08:26 PM EST
    Lord knows, I have close family members who've had serious personal issues and runs-in with the law, and in that regard, I have some empathy for Jeb as a father.

    That said, the Bush clan has clearly raised successive generations of their progeny with both a very undeserving sense of self-entitlement, and a painfully warped notion of what it means to go into public service.

    I further agree that as parents, we cannot necessarily control or even influence every action of our own children and grandchildren, especially as they get older and develop minds of their own.

    But that also said, we are also wholly responsible for the examples we choose to set for those children and grandchildren, and for the personal values we choose to impart to the generations that succeed us in this world.

    And quite frankly, given the evidence in that regard, the examples the Bush family has set and the values its members extol have sucked in equal parts for the better part of a century, and they've conducted themselves accordingly to our nation's long-term detriment.

    If the Bushes want to live lives of self-absorption and greed like characters on an episode of "Dallas,", that's their business. But if that's the case, then they should do it on their own time and their own dime. They shouldn't run for elective office as a means to harness the public domain for their family's own personal ambitions.

    We do not live in 16th century Florence, and we have no need nor use for any latter-day Medici's.

    Aloha.

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    As Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 05:57:58 PM EST
    so eloquently stated in another context:

    "Three generations of imbeciles are enough."

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    Comparing (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 10:11:04 AM EST
    political families you don't like with a quote approving forced sterilization and eugenics?

    Really?

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    That's why I included the words (none / 0) (#110)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 10:35:22 AM EST
    "in a different context" instead of just posting the bare quote.

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    To be precise (none / 0) (#112)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 10:37:10 AM EST
    "in another context."

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    And it's still a horrible quote (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 10:38:05 AM EST
    even if you were making a joke.

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    I'm sorry that you lack a sense of humor (2.00 / 1) (#115)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 10:39:15 AM EST
    or proportion, along with an inability to read for meaning.  

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    Really! (none / 0) (#113)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 10:37:43 AM EST


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    Well, he did say it was in another context. (none / 0) (#118)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 10:42:27 AM EST
    And considering the often tragic reign of error that was George W. Bush's & Co.'s time in the White House, I'd offer that "imbeciles" isn't really all that much of a stretch.

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    And where would Moe of the (none / 0) (#130)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 11:14:59 AM EST
    Three Stogies be if he'd been unable to use the word imbecile?

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    Donald, you (none / 0) (#48)
    by KeysDan on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 05:54:26 PM EST
    did not mention the "bad judgment" of Jeb's wife, Columba, for  the discrepancy in valuation of jewelry and clothes to US Customs Agents at the Atlanta airport on return from a shopping spree in Paris.    $19,000 valued at $500 to Customs and a $4100 fine.  

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    LOL! Isn't that precious! (none / 0) (#70)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 11:06:35 PM EST
    If I didn't mention it, it's because I didn't know about it. But I do now, thanks to you! It neatly sums up that family's arrogance in one simple story. Thank you again for mentioning it and providing a link to the story.

    Given everything we know about them, if we as a country still choose to send yet another Bush to the White House, we'll get exactly what we deserve.

    Aloha.

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    They can use that in his (none / 0) (#30)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 12:05:41 PM EST
    Commercials to woo the Hispanic vote.

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    Eric Erickson agrees with you somewhat (none / 0) (#49)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 05:56:37 PM EST
    While he believes Jeb's last name will be an issue, he also had this to say at the bottom of my linked article:

    As Erickson said, "He has Romney's position, and Romney got the nomination."

    "  I think we need someone new to be the party's leader," he said. "It's just no one is sure who that should be, which gives  Jeb  an advantage."

    Jonah Goldberg, editor at large of National Review online and a visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute:

    The trouble is, fairly or unfairly, that brand is tarnished. Among the rank and file of the GOP -- particularly among Tea Party types -- no one wants to see another Bush on the ballot. It's not unimaginable that a Bush nomination would spark a significant third-party movement on the right.
    ...
    It's less clear how well Bush would do as a nominee. Assuming he could keep the Tea Party right from bolting (a big assumption that might require putting Ted Cruz or Rand Paul on the ticket), Bush would have a lot of appeal to independents and a significant number of Latinos. Ironically, running against Clinton would make things easier for him because only in comparison to her (or Joe Biden) would yet another Bush seem like a fresh start. link

    I haven't been able to form an opinion on Jeb's chances yet which is why I wanted to expand the discussion. Your argument on any warm body definitely has merit. OTOH I also think that the most conservative elements of the Republican Party will be strongly opposed to Jeb's candidacy.

    As much as I hate to agree with Goldberg on anything, I do think that Bush would have to choose a favorite of the "Tea Party types"  as a choice for the VP spot.

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    I'm not sure a VP would stop a 3rd party (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 06:05:59 PM EST
    I think it's really likely there will be a right wing third party candidate in '16.  Mike Huckabee has all but said he will run if they pick a Bush or Christi or Romney.  Ted Cruz would also consider it.

    I think the nominee will be a right winger.   I was reading some conservative site the other day (sane conservative site) and the case was being made to "let them do it"
    The argument being Hillary is probably going to win no matter what because of demographics among other things and the Tea Party types are never going to shut up with the "if only they had been more conservative" stuff until they are allowed to try it their way.   So let them.

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    If Bush, Christi or Romney get the (none / 0) (#52)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 06:29:08 PM EST
    nomination, I do think the establishment GOP will try to appease the more extreme elements with a VP pick. It, as you state, might not work but I do think they will try.

    A serious, well funded "Tea Party type" 3rd. Party candidate might make the 2016 election interesting especially if either Bush or Christi are chosen as the nominee. Would like to see them tear into each other during the run up to the general. I would have to stock up on popcorn so I could sit back and enjoy the show.

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    To clarify (none / 0) (#60)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 07:05:18 PM EST
    especially if either Bush or Christi are chosen as the GOP nominee.

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    It would be interesting (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 07:10:58 PM EST
    with the establishment candidate getting all the corporate money and the 3rd party getting all the grass root money.

    Wonder who the Kochs would support?

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    The insanity will continue (none / 0) (#63)
    by Politalkix on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 07:23:37 PM EST
    link

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    No doubt (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 07:33:54 PM EST
    it's interesting Joni Earnst has also said she wont support McConnell.  And the indie guy in Kansas has said he would not support Reid or McConnell.

    The internal republican war is likely to intensify if the do get power.  There are those who think they should actually govern going into 2016.  Cruz not being among them.

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    Joni (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 07:40:29 PM EST
    LINK

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    Perdue (none / 0) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 06:50:28 AM EST
    has said that he would not vote for McConnell either. Really these people should be sending money to Alison Grimes so that they aren't going to have to prove whether they are loyal to Mitch or not.

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    Please (none / 0) (#8)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 08:19:52 AM EST
    Jeb Bush is boring.  He's like GWB, but without the charisma.  He's going to be a tough sell to all the Tea Party types, but the Establishment Republicans will see that he gets funding if he does go for a 2016 run.

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    To be clear, I am not (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 08:37:52 AM EST
    a supporter of Jeb Bush nor do I vote for Republicans.

    That you find him boring does not negate the fact that he has been in the news as a possible GOP presidential candidate.

    Since you are somewhat new to this blog, you may not be aware that in the past at least half of the posts were geared to discussing politics. Jeb's possible run has been discussed recently on this blog. My link was an attempt to flesh out this discussion by adding additional content.

    As with all posts on the blog, if a subject bores you, you have the option to scroll by until you find a subject that interests you.    

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    They talk about Chris Christe (2.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 08:46:14 AM EST
    running, even though Hillary Clinton outpolls the guy in his own state, let alone the rest of the country.

    Same thing with Ebola Perry, the political chatterers talk about Republicans running for President even though they're all polling at abysmal levels right now.

    Just because a bunch of news people and a few banckers think Jeb has a chance, doesn't mean he does.

    If you're here to merely regurgitate what other write without thinking about it, that isn't discussion or analysis, no matter how you spin it.

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    Feel free to enlighten us with (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 09:02:47 AM EST
    your great and thoughtful analysis on the politics of the day or any other subject you think is interesting. It would definitely be a change of pace from your usual mundane, predictable sniping.

    Go back to exchanging school yard taunts with Jim. I'm not interested in continuing this game.

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    Mo (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 09:09:33 AM EST
    Since I woke up early I was watching cable news.  Norm Ornstein made an interesting point and I wondered if you agree.
    The subject was, of course, the senate.  They were making predictions.  He made the point that both Louisiana and Georgia will go into runoffs and the Ferguson decision will come down between the election and the runoff and he thought it might very well influence AA turnout enough to tip both races toward the democrats.

    It was something i had not considered.

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    What you have to take into account is (none / 0) (#25)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 10:09:00 AM EST
    the fact that it is a Democrat orchestrating the Brown GJ. The AA community strongly believes that McCulloch, a Democrat,  has structured the GJ so that it will definitely return a no bill on Wilson. There is some history that lends credence to their belief.

    Also, the CW is that the only action from the Democratic Justice Department will be recommendations on improvements to the local processes.

    A group of local African Americans have expressed strong disapproval of the Democratic Party to the point of stating that they will vote for the Republican for County Executive and encouraging others to vote for anyone but the Dem. Others  have also spoke of writing in other names for that position.

    If as I believe, the GJ returns a no bill and no concrete action is taken at the Federal level, it will be a real crap shot on how it effects the Democratic Party's relationship with the AA community.

     Will it have a nationwide effect or just a local effect? Will it make some reevaluate their relationship with the party? Will it cause more apathy or get more people out to the polls?

    These, IMO, are just some of the possibilities. Bottom line, I believe it is too soon to form any conclusion on the fall out other than the fact that there will be considerable fallout.

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    That's pretty much what I thought (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 10:11:39 AM EST
    which is why I thought it might be noteworthy Ornstein, a pretty smart guy, said it.

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    New Lies Exposed in Ferguson (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 07:16:33 PM EST
    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The U.S. government agreed to a police request to restrict more than 37 square miles of airspace surrounding Ferguson, Missouri, for 12 days in August for safety, but audio recordings show that local authorities privately acknowledged the purpose was to keep away news helicopters during violent street protests.
    ...
    The conversations contradict claims by the St. Louis County Police Department, which responded to demonstrations following the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, that the restriction was solely for safety and had nothing to do with preventing media from witnessing the violence or the police response.

    Police said at the time, and again as recently as late Friday to the AP, that they requested the flight restriction in response to shots fired at a police helicopter.

    But police officials confirmed there was no damage to their helicopter and were unable to provide an incident report on the shooting. On the tapes, an FAA manager described the helicopter shooting as unconfirmed ``rumors.'' link



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    That's disturbing (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 07:34:59 PM EST


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    Have the Missouri GOP... (none / 0) (#140)
    by unitron on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 12:10:25 PM EST
    ...been doing their best to institute voter ID laws and shortened poll hours and all that other "Keep those people from voting" stuff?

    Because it would be such poetic justice if doing so meant that they weren't actually able to get and benefit from all those AA "punish the Dems for McCulloch" votes because of it.

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    They have been doing their best (none / 0) (#145)
    by MO Blue on Mon Nov 03, 2014 at 12:36:33 PM EST
    but not a done deal yet.

    Here is a link that explain what is going on.

    Also, it is unclear what the turn out will be, how many people will vote for the R, how many will write in someone else or how many will vote the D out of habit.
     

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    Unsolicited advice: given you are a newbie (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by oculus on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 09:07:27 AM EST
    here, perhaps you should think twice b/4 criticizing other commenters.

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    Gee, I like the dispassionate analysis (none / 0) (#16)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 09:10:23 AM EST
    and refusal to engage in personal attacks and stick to the issues at hand around here.

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    Jeb (none / 0) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 01:39:48 PM EST
    has about zero chance of getting the GOP nomination and the article pretty much backs it up.

    Besides did you read where the Bush family is concerned about how George W. trashed the family name? What about the rest of us in the country? We're supposed to suffer through another Bush administration so that Jeb can "restore their family legacy"? No thanks.

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    Was their legacy that great? (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 02, 2014 at 02:29:13 PM EST
    An