Friday Night Open Thread

It's sundown here, the official start to Yom Kippur -- the Day of Atonement.

Yom Kippur is a day of reconciliation, when Jews strive to make amends with people and to draw closer to God through prayer and fasting. The ten days leading up to Yom Kippur are known as the Ten Days of Repentance. During this period Jews are encouraged to seek out anyone they may have offended and to sincerely request forgiveness so that the New Year can begin with a clean slate.

To those of you observing the holiday, G'mar Hatimah Tovah - May You Be Sealed for a Good Year (in the Book of Life).

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Woo Hoo! (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 03, 2014 at 09:43:14 PM EST
    Cardinals win, 10-9!  Be still, my heart!
    Too bad, Dodgers fans.
    And Anne, congratulations on the Orioles' two wins!

    Thanks - same to you! (none / 0) (#9)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 03, 2014 at 11:02:58 PM EST
    I'll tell you,this city has been an insane asylum...just electric.  Funny thing is that the TBS commentators may all be stunned at the O's beating two Cy Young winners, but we're not - the O's have been winning games late and playing smart all season.  Maybe now, they will understand that it isn't that the rest of the division was so terrible that we won by default, but that the O's really are that good.  They may make you bite your nails, but they just never quit.

    One more game...fingers crossed!


    If it can't be (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by lentinel on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:33:53 AM EST
    my Yankees with Derek Jeter, I will be pulling for your O's!

    For you b-ball fans... (none / 0) (#12)
    by desertswine on Fri Oct 03, 2014 at 11:43:37 PM EST
    Rare film of 1924 World Series discovered.  It's in beautiful condition. Senators vs Giants. Love the windmill wind-ups.

    With all the Ebola hype (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 03, 2014 at 10:06:13 PM EST
    in the open threads the last few days, it got me to thinking...

    Living in Florida, am I not more likely to be shot by George Zimmerman than to die from Ebola?

    Yes, yes you are. (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by caseyOR on Fri Oct 03, 2014 at 10:18:35 PM EST
    Darlin' . . . (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 03:11:39 AM EST
    how on earth could you forget the terrorist threats?! It's just not safe to wake up in the morning' anymore . . . :P

    I'd say, no more likely than ... (2.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 04:09:49 PM EST
    ... a certain pro skier living in Aspen back in 1976 should have feared for his safety while hanging out with the ex-wife of a well-known and popular '60s crooner.

    Okay, I deserve that "2" rating. (none / 0) (#48)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 04:39:16 PM EST
    That was questionable humor at best 38 years ago, and it hasn't improved with age.

    Beyond questionable Haole boy... (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 05:10:24 PM EST
    You failed to give her credit... (none / 0) (#50)
    by unitron on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 04:44:28 PM EST
    ...for her own recording career.

    Interesting that she married her criminal (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 06:49:00 PM EST
    defense attorney.  

    CG there are the other hazards of living (none / 0) (#36)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 01:10:02 PM EST
    up in Dade-Broward such as the regular occurrences of hit and runs, drive by shootings, night club shootouts, driving into store fronts, and the classic one of driving into canals.  I don't know where you find it safe to run but Coral Gables is full of beautiful, curving, tree lined streets.  I'm sure you have your routes staked out very carefully.  Even though they are paving more and more of the bicycle and jogging paths clear to Key West there's still miles to go.

    I get it that I am so late to the party but (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by ZtoA on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 01:35:37 AM EST
    man, Grimm is a great show!!! I am on ep 10 season 1 and whoa, what a great and creative show. My new fav. When I have a fav, I watch the series (up to the point of my obsession or the current episode) at least 6 times all the way thru the series. The first 2 times is to get the characters down, and the plot (by then I have much of the dialog memorized). I take notes on post-its and keep a couple wikis up and read them for info. Watching it for the 3-4th time is for seeing the aesthetic stuff - camera work, settings, costumes etc, after that watching reveals the subplots and hidden submerged messages. If (hardly ever) and when there is an actual good show, then the watching of it for the 7-8th time reveals the true artistry of the producers and directors to me. Guess I am slow with that. But the wait is worth it for me.

    Yeah Grimm !!!!

    Heard good things (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:07:14 AM EST
    one day.  Winter is coming as the say.

    Living the good life here in MO (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 01:59:21 PM EST
    Last night was the Wine and Cheese Howl and tonight a hayride through the cemetery for the annual Voices of Vahalla.

    At this rate, I'll soon be featured on the Lives of the Rich and Famous (minus the wealth and the fame of course) ;-)

    We may need a new reason to panic (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 05:56:34 PM EST
    Great (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 06:11:37 PM EST
    Donald your ignorance is (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:10:39 PM EST
    exceeded only by your mean streak.  I doubt that anybody cares whom you do or do not like.  So please STFU.

    The comment you are replying to (none / 0) (#75)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 12:49:40 AM EST
    was deleted. That kind of second hand gossip has no place here.

    Thank you (none / 0) (#78)
    by fishcamp on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 12:18:55 PM EST
    Denver Post (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 05, 2014 at 10:10:30 AM EST
    rundown of Colorado Gubernatorial debate

    The republican came right out and said he is against birth control

    It appears that Hickenlooper (none / 0) (#81)
    by jbindc on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 12:58:11 PM EST
    I've gotta say (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by sj on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 05:33:32 PM EST
    the Republican ads this year are devastatingly effective. Beauprez, Michael Coffman (against Andrew Romanoff) and Corey Gardner (against Mark Udall) have been airing misleading, dishonest and really effective ads this season. I don't know who is doing their advertising, but it seems to be either the same or cooperating firms.

    I haven't been watching the polling at all, but I live in a very Democratic area and I am hearing how influential those ads are.

    Democrats should be worried right now. The ads using Obama as an anvil? Effective. I think even the anti-"Obamacare" ads are getting traction. They are well made, I can tell you that.


    "Crossroads" did a number of the ads (none / 0) (#96)
    by christinep on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 01:43:37 PM EST
    That would be Karl Rove's Crossroads.  

    Insofar as the Senate race is concerning: The "nice smile" of Repub-winger candidate Cory Gardner is worrisome ... it is the classic "sell or say anything with a smile" or a winsome personality (see, e.g., the extreme right-wing Senate candidate Jodi Ernst in Iowa.)  Both the Colorado and Iowa races have to be won; and, the Repub candidates smiling & ebullient personalities go a long way toward masking what is being sold by them.  The smiling visage of a latter day Ronald Reagan on a Senate level ... only Gardner (CO) & Ernst (Iowa) are fundamentally more conservative.

    Even tho fighting against the six-year anti-WH hex, most observers consider the Colorado race a true toss-up for Senate. (I suspect that Hickenlooper has gotten past the nadir and will begin to pull away ... and, that may be on "personality" too, because both-ways-Bob Beauprez has never been too appealing statewide.) Gardner clearly is a fast-tracker (a "kinder, gentler" Cruz-type who--IMO--is a masterful opportunist at center.)  

    Uplifting in the Colorado races: The highly-touted Democratic "ground game" of door-to-door is as real as the 2012 general election version; and, historically, that tends to account for a 1 or 2 point increase in projected Democratic numbers.  Important to Dems is the Same Day Registration effective this year ... it really is all about voter turnout in Colorado this year.  

    Finally: The Udall and Gardner debate is tonight (with a pre-debate rally for Udall scheduled at the Capitol @ 5-ish.) This is one of those debates that could actually be decisive.  Ballots will be mailed next week. (Almost forgot: A key component for the Dems will be the % of women voters in the turnout ... 53% or more would be a good early indicator.)


    Have to say (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 03, 2014 at 08:27:38 PM EST
    jewish holidays are more interesting than christian ones.   Often.

    Only (2.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:06:57 AM EST
    if you've never sat through a Passover Seder. LOL.

    Well, the Jewish ones... (none / 0) (#2)
    by unitron on Fri Oct 03, 2014 at 09:28:58 PM EST
    ...are probably a lot less "borrowed" from previous cultures.

    Yes (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 03, 2014 at 09:42:10 PM EST
    that too.  I'm sure many think eggs and rabbits are in some way related to the death and resurrection of Jesus and not the fertility goddess Istar.

    A lot of Christians (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:09:11 AM EST
    do not understand their own history. A lot of things about Christianity got mixed in with paganism back in the Roman Empire. When Constantine declared the Roman Empire a Christian nation or some such the pagan things just got pulled in too.

    More to it (5.00 / 4) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:18:31 AM EST
    many Christian holidays like Christmas and Easter were established on specific days for the express purpose of stepping on and co-opting Meagan holidays.

    As far as Passover Seder.  Being totally ignorant I had to google.  First, any event that has the word "feast" in the first sentence is going to interest me.  And -

    Seder customs include telling the story, discussing the story, drinking four cups of wine, eating matza, partaking of symbolic foods placed on the Passover Seder Plate, and reclining in celebration of freedom.[3] The Seder is performed in much the same way by Jews all over the world.

    Substitute a few words and foods (pizza, appetizers and fish stories) and you have just about every american holiday.   Reclining to celebrate football and gluttony.


    HA (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:20:05 AM EST
    Pagan holidays not Meagan holidays.  %¥£€$@ spell correct.

    Meagan holidays (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by ZtoA on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 10:58:44 AM EST
    Ha! I was just about to google.

    Meagan (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 04:07:17 PM EST
    the opposite of Vegan

    Me rushes to copyright... (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by unitron on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 04:41:35 PM EST
    ...book title "Meagan the Pagan", but I'll give you a cut of the merchandising. : - )

    My church (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:29:30 AM EST
    does Seders every Easter though I have never attended one. I have done a Seder at my house though for a Jewish friend. There is a very long story you read and then there are times during the story that you stop and you are supposed to drink a glass of wine or eat something symbolic like soup or a hard boiled egg in salt water. I do remember the hard boiled egg in salt water is supposed to be symbolic of Jewish tears.

    Ironically one of the hardest things was the fact that you can't mix meat and dairy IIRC. I would have never thought that it was that big of a deal until I actually tried doing it especially coming up with a desert because you cannot use eggs in it.


    A drinking game! (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:52:40 AM EST
    still more similarities

    Lol (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 09:37:02 AM EST
    Never thought of it that way but yes, in a lot of ways that is true.

    When I had the seder, my friend said only take a sip because if you drink the entire glass each time you are going to end up drinking eight glasses and are going to be totally wasted.

    Besides you drink that awful Manichevitz wine so you really don't want to drink the whole glass.


    That sounds like so much fun (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 09:44:20 AM EST
    Everybody (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 09:56:54 AM EST
    should do it once.

    Where in the World... (none / 0) (#5)
    by desertswine on Fri Oct 03, 2014 at 09:55:29 PM EST
    is Kim Jong-un?  He hasn't been seen in a month.  North Korean leaders make rare visit to South.

    Found him (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 03, 2014 at 10:17:18 PM EST
    but seriously he is supposed to be ill.  Gout apparently.

    Gout?? (none / 0) (#11)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 03, 2014 at 11:15:22 PM EST
    so young?? poor dude. Gotta get some veggies.

    And watch his proteins . . . (none / 0) (#15)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 03:13:53 AM EST
    He needs to eat like a Dalmatian, lol!~

    Needs to lay off the red wine and (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Anne on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 09:01:55 AM EST
    shellfish, too.

    Still (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:05:05 AM EST
    there is some karma involved in a dictator of a country where people are starving to death being stricken down by too much  rich food.

    Hope this is another (none / 0) (#10)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 03, 2014 at 11:13:29 PM EST
    "good food/eating" holiday. I always love those. Best wishes!!

    Link to a cool mountain biking video (none / 0) (#16)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 05:51:43 AM EST
    So (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:37:31 AM EST
    the story of the Dallas Hospital Ebola clusterf@ck has changed yet again.
    NOW they say everyone, doctors and nurses had his medical history.  True or not it's bizarre either way.  If untrue is it possible they think it makes us feel better that they knew his history and released him anyway?

    I also saw (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:46:34 AM EST
    that a cameraman for NBC was infected with Ebola.

    New plan (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:50:05 AM EST
    blame the computer

    The Dallas hospital that mistakenly sent home a man who had Ebola says flawed software and not human error caused doctors to miss the diagnosis.

    That RN got a lawyer (none / 0) (#41)
    by smott on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 03:07:40 PM EST
    I am betting. She can see the hunt for the scapegoat coming and is smart enough to get out of the way since it does appear she did everything right.
    Of course they backed off their original bullsh-t story re the software.

    Let's let that Dr 'splain why he didn't know travel history and why he thought a course of antibiotics was such a great idea.


    No hurry. (none / 0) (#29)
    by lentinel on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:57:17 AM EST
    With the finesse of our diplomatic expertise, a kind word, and a stick, we have convinced the Afghani government to let us remain there after 2014.

    Whew! I almost thought we would have to leave - what with the replacement of the shifty Mr. Karzai and promises by the administration of a departure by the end of the year. I hadn't been looking forward to that. We have already broken the 9 year record achieved by the Ruskies in the 70s and 80s - but I was anxious to see how far we could extend our presence beyond the record they had previously set.

    So - that's a relief.

    Now, turning to Iraq. I was afraid that we might actually be out of there - although I was delighted that our 104 acre Embassy with its 15,000 employees was set to remain indefinitely.

    But - a reprieve!

    As we all know, we're back and bombing away.
    But even better is that we have taken it upon ourselves - oops - I mean we are willing to comply with a request from the latest fellow we have helped to install in Baghdad - that we undertake to train the Iraqi Army!

    That, God willing, should take us years into the future.

    Although truly descriptive, "Perpetual War" is losing its edge.

    How about.... "continual conflagration" or "enduring enmities"?

    By the end of this year, Congress (none / 0) (#38)
    by KeysDan on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 02:13:06 PM EST
    will have appropriated more money for Afghanistan's reconstruction , adjusted for inflation, than the US spent re-building 16 European countries after World War II under the Marshall Plan.

    Many $biillions of that money has been stolen or misspent.  Suitcases-full of cash were checked onto flights to Dubai.  Despite fraud and abuse, the US did not turn off the money spigot because cutting the Afghans off was considered to doom the war effort.  

    Delivering a speech at Georgetown University, John Sopko, inspector general for oversight of the reconstruction project in Afghanistan, marveled at the Marshall Plan comparison. "What have we gotten for the investment, he asked."  

    I think that answer is an easy one: we have degraded or eliminated the Taliban and al Qaeda and saved Pakistan and brought democracy to the region. and made the Homeland safe.   Good job, right.?  No?  Well, Americans need to be patient, as George W. Bush  said about Iraq during a recent sighting.


    Dallas DA (none / 0) (#31)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 09:29:46 AM EST

    Authorities in both the U.S. and Liberia are investigating whether Thomas Eric Duncan knew he had been exposed to the Ebola virus before traveling to Dallas. If that's the case then District Attorney Craig Watkins says the state crime of aggravated assault may come into play for exposing others to the Ebola virus.

    "We're dealing with the issue that he may have knowingly exposed individuals in Dallas County to the ebola virus" said Dallas County District Attorney Craig Watkins.

    "We've prosecuted individuals, for knowingly exposing individuals to HIV - which is aggravated assault."

    This news comes as we hear that Duncan thought he was Goldilocks -- sleeping on every mattress in the apartment.

    Reminds me of a sign I saw on (none / 0) (#40)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 02:28:11 PM EST
    some agricultural property:

    "Survivors will be prosecuted."


    ... but it makes for bad policy overall, as far as legal precedent is concerned.

    What, then, will prosecutors do about the death of a file clerk due to influenza because a supervisor who considered himself indispensable to the operation showed up at the office despite feeling lousy, thus knowingly exposing everyone there to a well-known deadly pathogen?

    Should prosecutors indict a mother for negligent homicide because she adamantly refused to immunize her pre-school-aged child against varicella, and her own elderly father came down with chicken pox and died not long after babysitting his infected grandchild?

    Passing the bar exam won't necessarily endow an attorney with common sense, if none was present in the first place.



    I saw an interview with that guy (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 03:53:49 PM EST
    last night.  That was based on the original information that he withheld information from the doctors.  Which has changed several times since then.  I very much doubt that is still considered a possibility.   But if he had withheld information he should have been prosecuted.  People were prosecuted for intentionally spreading the HIV virus.

    And why were they prosecuted? (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 04:34:15 PM EST
    Hysteria, plain and simple -- the same nonsensical and mindless collective mentality that led to repeated attempts by Indiana officials to expel Ryan White from public high school back in the mid-1980s.

    Not to minimize the appalling act of intentionally exposing tricks to a deadly pathogen -- "intentionally" being the operative word here -- but public hysteria is more often than not fueled by willful individual ignorance. And I find it just unconscionable when people refuse to educate themselves about a perceived hazard or threat, preferring instead to stoke their own fears by trafficking in otherwise refutable misinformation.



    I'm sorry (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 05:19:20 PM EST
     it hysteria was not necessarily involved at all.   There are lots of instances of people knowingly spreading the HIV virus and having legal consequences.  As they should.  And if you contracted it from someone who knew they were infected and did not tell you, you would probably agree.

    If the original reports were true (they were not) this guy endangered many lives by not telling the doctors the truth.   As I said.  He apparently did not but the story was based on him doing just that.

    No hysteria required.  The fact that a hysteric posted the original comment changes nothing about that.


    And the Ryan White (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 05:21:54 PM EST
    comment was ridiculous and uncalled for.   I am at least as sensitive to this subject as you.

    I understand that, Cap'n. (none / 0) (#61)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:05:00 PM EST
    I'd just like to say that the specific mention of Ryan White wasn't directed at you. Rather, it was intended to catch the attention of the aforementioned hysteric who's been so busy fanning the flames here on this issue, in the (probably forlorn) hope that he would read the hyperlinked article and then perhaps take a conscious and sober breath, before considering any further swan dives into the deep end of a very fetid swamp.

    Hope (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:18:50 PM EST
    humbly then; with trembling pinions soar;

    Hope springs eternal in the human breast


    Made me google. Back to hhigh school (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 08:37:51 PM EST
    English class.

    IOW (none / 0) (#70)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sun Oct 05, 2014 at 01:38:41 PM EST

    Josh and I just watched Bill Maher (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 02:18:34 PM EST
    Last night was Homecoming so we were busy.  Right before and after Bill Maher, HBO airs a commercial for their 'Concert for Valor' that will air Veterans Day.  It just seemed off the mark to me.  I sighed, seemed depressing, how to put it into words?

    Josh did it for me at the end of Bill Maher.  "We know you are all wounded and have PTSD and would like good healthcare, so we got you a concert.  Everyone knows that after you leave a war zone what you REALLY need are loud noises and crowds."

    I'm sure they mean well (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 06:01:25 PM EST
    I know they do (none / 0) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 06:57:16 PM EST
    It is difficult to keep American attention on important serious issues longer than a few minutes though.  Everyone knows that the vets are having a difficult time with healthcare, but they just can't seem to focus.  They just kind of know on the periphery of their conscious that it's going on and it just stays hovering out there.  
    And they keep voting scumbags in who try to screw vets for the rich constantly, but they break out the flags on Veterans Day.  It's just bizarre.

    Repack Rider's book might have to live (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 03:29:33 PM EST
    Here for awhile before passed down to physical fitness guru niece.  It is story, but the photos make it a coffee table book.

    My friend Stefanie (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 06:23:31 PM EST
    the one who photograph and works to preserve old movie theaters just found out she is on the short list for the Lucie scholarship award.  This is great news.  

    The following photographers have been named to the 2014 APA/Lucie Foundation Scholarship shortlist and the winner will be announced online, on October 6; the cash prize will be presented at the 12th Annual Lucie Awards in New York City on November 2, 2014:

    Stefanie Klavens

    For some reason I can't copy the whole list more at the LINK

    Veterans respond (none / 0) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 04, 2014 at 09:11:29 PM EST
    Well, THAT was a satisfying read (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by ZtoA on Sun Oct 05, 2014 at 12:08:10 AM EST
    So the vets are p*ssed at that rodent Fox.... good. Vets are not stupid (generally).

    Some people 'IRL' are just ignorant about military and vets. I know I am basically ignorant about military issues.

    There are others on this blog who are ignorant in this area too (not namin' names, but...). But at least I am well disposed towards the vets I have known --from a 4 star general who sat on Clinton's and early Bush's joint chiefs to vietnam vets my age who were horribly scarred from that war, to a really poor kid from Alabama who joined and then got an education in the military and became an engineer. He was an art student of mine and he was a wonderful late 20something. Talented and willing to work hard at a new skill - he brought a large not-great-quality hunk of lapis into class when I was teaching about pigments and the histories of pigments (lapis was the original "ultra-marine" blue. "ultramarine" = over the water, it all had to be imported to europe for painters from what is now Afghanistan). And I am willing to read and learn.

    This might actually help democrats too.


    Vets are people, and people, as we (3.67 / 3) (#68)
    by Anne on Sun Oct 05, 2014 at 09:33:54 AM EST
    know, come in all varieties - smart, not-so-smart, open-minded, not-so-much, great and nice and wonderful, and not-so-much, and so on.

    I'm married to a Vietnam vet, my dad, both my grandfathers and an uncle served in WWII, my uncle in the Korean War, and now I have a nephew in the Marines.

    I'm proud of their service, their courage under fire - but they were/are (nephew and husband are the only ones still living) still just people.  With flaws that military service doesn't/didn't erase.

    At least you are well-disposed toward vets?  I don't even know what that means.  My initial reaction was, "well, goody for you."  Are you bragging?  I don't get that.  Do you think it makes you a better person because you had a better experience with vets than someone else?  Maybe that vet is just a good person.

    As are you, most likely.  I just hate it when it all turns into a contest about who loves veterans more, and the not-so-subtle aside about "not naming names" didn't help.  Purity tests just annoy me, because I think they're usually all about making the person applying them feel superior.


    Anne, give me a break ok? (1.00 / 1) (#72)
    by ZtoA on Sun Oct 05, 2014 at 08:05:18 PM EST
    Yes I am well disposed towards vets as compared to so very very "progressives" in my city. There are many "progressives" who lump vets into every 'bad' military decision ever made. These are otherwise educated, smart, sensitive people. Maybe you don't experience that, but in my line of work and in the city I work in, this is often sadly true. Even some college/university teachers are a bit wary of having a young vet in class.

    You always, at least with me, go to the most negative thinking possible. You seem to pick out certain people and then bully them. Those "purity tests" you mentioned - those are YOUR experiences not mine. Please don't project your baggage all over me. Peace out.  


    I still have no idea what your point is or (none / 0) (#77)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 11:16:49 AM EST
    what we're supposed to get from the way you feel about vets, or what you are saying about those whose experiences may be different from yours.  Or why you object to the negative "lumping" some people you know do, but are fine with the positive version to which you seem to subscribe.

    And I have no idea how the positivity or negativity with which one views veterans can or should be tied to being progressive.  Those on the left are routinely accused of not supporting our military men and women, while those on the right seem to think that as long as they wave the flag hard enough that makes them better people than those they don't think are being "patriotic" enough.

    And just so you know, this is not bullying, by the way - it's asking you to explain your comments.  It's me trying to understand your opinions; feel free to tell me you don't care if I understand, but don't then whine about being misunderstood or picked on.  


    Anne, (2.00 / 1) (#79)
    by ZtoA on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 12:25:28 PM EST
    1. yes I suppose I do "lump" positively. I try to start with a basic human respect for others. Call me crazy.

    2. Thank you for "asking" - or even trying to. Yes, that one sentence of yours was not bullying. The other sentences that you write to me, are bullying. So often you leave a little "stinger" at the end of your comments. You say that you are not bullying and then end with "but don't then whine about being misunderstood or picked on. " Just so you know, I am not whining about you.

    3. I think I have been pretty clear on this subject. I can't help you if you do not understand.

    It is not my intention to bully; that's just not (1.50 / 2) (#80)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 12:52:18 PM EST
    who I am.  I do, however, recognize that how my words are interpreted is not in my control; that's pretty much the worst part about this form of communication, for all of us.  But please be aware that this isn't just a one-way street - you've proven to be quite adept at the passive/aggressive put-down.

    You do seem to be very sensitive to having your comments questioned; I can't tell you not to be so sensitive, or make you be less sensitive, but after multiple engagements with you that always end up where we are right now, I have reached the conclusion that your sensitivity is a tool you use, in combination with accusations of bullying, to conveniently avoid actual dialogue.

    I don't know who made you that way - that's your baggage, and I can't fix it - but I don't see the point anymore in responding to you.


    to borrow one of your stand-by phrases: (none / 0) (#82)
    by ZtoA on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 03:12:46 PM EST
    Stop. Just Stop.

    My comments are questioned all the time on TL.I have been reading here to learn, because the commenters and focus of the site are not my fields but they do very much interest me. So when I comment I get it wrong all the time and people correct me and I learn.

    There are only two commenters here that I think have bullied me. You and Jim. That is it. Neither of you "question" my comments, you attack me.

    And talk about "sensitive".... "Sensitive is You". "passive-aggressive" and "aggressive-aggressive" and "super negative" are You. And you hold grudges. I actually have a pretty thick skin.

    You are very intelligent and so often have interesting things to say, but now I just skim over your comments, and I usually skip Jim's altogether tho will read rebuttals.

    This comment may be deleted, and I'm fine with that. Hope you get a chance to read it first tho.


    Sorry (none / 0) (#83)
    by sj on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 05:06:09 PM EST
    Your self-proclaimed "thick skin" has not been shown to be in evidence. In fact you have been carrying your grudge/victimization from thread to thread for quite some time now. To me as an observer, that tracking from thread to thread loudly beating your breast and proclaiming yourself to being bullied reeks of professional victimhood.

    You both have strong opinions. Deal with it.

    On a completely different note, I have been loving "Grimm" since season 1, and I'm tickled pink to find another aficionado. Starting the 24th of this month I can resume using the tag line "Thank Grimm, it's Friday". I tend to watch shows that I really like more than once myself, but your system leaves mine in the dust.


    sj, I have no beef with you at all (none / 0) (#84)
    by ZtoA on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 05:32:19 PM EST
    in fact you were very nice in the comments to me quite a long time ago. I will always appreciate it.

    And oddly, my chest feels just fine! No bruises from "loudly beating it". And I don't feel like a victim at all - not one little bit. Anne tried to provoke me, and she did. I will fight back when someone attacks me. For some time now, I do not respond to Anne, or Jim, unless they come after me. As I said, I don't read Jim, only rebuttals, and I don't read Anne either.  

    Re: Grimm, ha! I only go nuts about just very few shows, but Grimm is one of them! I'm only still on season 1 ep 12, so please no spoilers! But I will love to talk Grimm with you. I don't watch the shows currently being discussed here, so we could get a little "Grimm Corner", no, "Corner" does not sound creepy enough...."Closet"  "Cave" ? I like "Grimm Cave".


    You must have (none / 0) (#86)
    by sj on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 05:35:58 PM EST
    a very strong chest, then.

    Are you going to catch up with Grimm before the new season starts?


    Yes, I'm watching from the start of season 1 (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by ZtoA on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 06:01:22 PM EST
    and for each one I see the quote at the beginning and get familiar with the tale, if I have not read it.  Then I watch the episode. The show uses lots of non-Grimm tales.

    I love love love what they do with the original tales and the plots. The filming locations are fun for me to look into and I recognize many from around PDX too. They never riff off of the Disneyfied versions, but go back to the originals. No fairy godmothers in those, and lots of gore. :)


    Disneyfying (none / 0) (#88)
    by sj on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 06:10:18 PM EST
    is left for "Once Upon a Time". They both debuted the same year, but I got bored with OUAT by the second season.

    Yep, I watched a couple of episodes of (none / 0) (#89)
    by ZtoA on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 06:16:05 PM EST
    "Once Upon a Time" recently on Netflix, and had the same reaction. Just too pretty and not enough red meat. The sets, costumes, filming, production, are really good, but too pretty for me.

    The only thing about Grimm is that in most episodes there are one or two moments where something jumps out and I get a huge adrenaline rush. It's a small price to pay, and those moments are necessary for the plot.


    We watched Once Upon a Time (none / 0) (#90)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 09:19:54 PM EST
    As a family and it began to fall off last season for us.  We just stopped watching

    I started Grimm yesterday based on your comments.  Just the first episode so far


    ooooh, "Grimm Cave" group commenters! (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by ZtoA on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 10:03:36 PM EST
    We might have to ask for a Grimm thread (none / 0) (#95)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 09:12:56 AM EST
    Or a television thread.  When the Game of Thrones season starts Jeralyn might want to ad that so an open thread doesn't get eaten.

    MT, here's a suggestion.... (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by ZtoA on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 10:08:29 PM EST
    when the first quote pops up at the beginning of the episode, google it and sites will pop up explaining the origins of the quote and a synopsis and a bit of the history (country of origin etc) of the tale they are riffing off of. It makes the episode even more fun to see what they do to the tale.

    It would be great if captain howdy (none / 0) (#93)
    by ZtoA on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 10:57:16 PM EST
    who is the master of production knowledge and good movies and TV started watching Grimm and joined the Grimm Cave discussions (which I hope will pop up on TV open threads.

    Thank you for the tip (none / 0) (#94)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 09:10:00 AM EST
    About googling the quote.

    Pistorius (none / 0) (#67)
    by Uncle Chip on Sun Oct 05, 2014 at 06:26:04 AM EST
    Revealed: Oscar Pistorius 'made secret nine minute phone call to an ex girlfriend shortly before killing Reeva Steenkamp'

    Wow -- How did the police and prosecutor miss this???

    They must have all gotten their investigative training from the same place the CDC professionals got theirs.

    Well -- nothing to take note of here, folks,  just move along.

    SNL --The Fault in Our Stars (none / 0) (#71)
    by Uncle Chip on Sun Oct 05, 2014 at 01:48:10 PM EST
    Discoverer of Ebola (none / 0) (#76)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Oct 06, 2014 at 06:41:51 AM EST