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    New Ferguson Stuff (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by ragebot on Fri Oct 17, 2014 at 08:27:07 PM EST
    NYT Link

    Two shots fired while Brown and Wilson were fighting inside the car and one hit Brown.  Brown's blood was on car door and Wilson's uniform.

    Two shots fired now at the car??? (2.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 12:40:07 AM EST
    It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.

    So Dorian Johnson was right when he said Brown was hit by that first shot fired at the SUV and he saw blood on his shirt.

    And he said that Wilson fired at him again from the front seat as he was running away -- that bullet peeled out of a window frame about a hundred feet away.

    And the police chief was lying when he assured us that only one shot was fired in the front seat but it did not hit anybody. Where would he have gotten that idea if not from Wilson himself???

    Those two, the ten at the body, and the one behind the SUV accounts for all 13 -- meaning he emptied his gun leaving nothing in reserve.

    The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown's blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson's uniform.

    Brown's blood on the gun but not his fingerprints means that he was shot from close range as Johnson has said.

    There is still nothing to indicate that there was a struggle for the gun, or that Brown was in the front seat.

    It only means that his arm was inside the front window and that's all -- once again consistent with witnesses who said that Wilson was pulling him inside the SUV as Brown was pushing back trying to get free from his grip.

    Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck.

    So how many arms did Brown have -- four. He was punching with one, scratching with another, reaching for the gun with a third, and getting shot in the fourth which isn't much good for punching and scratching or anything else after taking a bullet at such close range.

    Still to date no reports by any media that as big as Brown was, Wilson was bigger by atleast 2 inches and by the looks of him many pounds which would have been quite noticeable to the Grand Jury members.


    FBI forensics tests (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by CityLife on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 07:04:20 AM EST
    The two shoots in the vehicle "contradicts some witness accounts" yet you want to spin these findings as if it doesn't?

    I don't think Brown needed "four arms" as you claim I think people aren't looking at this case logically.


    Fourarms or Forearms (2.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 08:28:20 AM EST
    The two shoots in the vehicle "contradicts some witness accounts" yet you want to spin these findings as if it doesn't?

    The only spinners here are the NYTimes trying to make it sound like 2 shots at the SUV requires all witness testimony to be thrown out.

    The 2 shots contradicts NO witness accounts because NO witness said that there was ONLY one shot at the car -- only that they only heard one shot.

    The 2 shots may have been so close together and muffled by his clothing and inside the closed door as to echo like only one.

    And let's be clear -- the police chief said numerous times in press releases and news conferences that there was ONLY one shot at the SUV, and he was insistent about that time and again, AND that there was no one hit by that one shot that they were later seen peeling aout of a nearby building.

    Thus the only one here who lied was the Chief AND the Chief's source who would have been -- you got it -- Wilson himself.

    And let's be clear again -- the ME autopsy said that there was no GSR on Brown's skin -- skin being his exposed hands and forearms which should have had GSR on it if his hands were anywhere near the gun as it went off.

    You can't just pick and choose forensic evidence and statements and draw your conclusions from selective stuff.

     You have to take it all in and weigh it -- something the NYTimes did not do here.

    All in all here the witnesses have been much more credible than the police.

    The police have still not corrected their initial official  misstatements to the press and the public -- the most notable being that the shooting took place 35 feet from the SUV when it is clearly 120+ feet behinf the SUV according to all our collective eyeballs and cellphones.  



    Hmmmm (1.00 / 1) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:28:05 AM EST
    It only means that his arm was inside the front window and that's all -- once again consistent with witnesses who said that Wilson was pulling him inside the SUV as Brown was pushing back trying to get free from his grip.

    Let me see. I'm gonna try and pull a very large man into my vehicle where he can have access to my weapon.

    Okay fine.


    Hmmm ... (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Yman on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:40:30 AM EST
    The officer could just as easily have grabbed him to try to restrain him and then tried to exit the vehicle, which is quite plausible, as opposed to:

    "Let me see. I'm gonna try to charge an armed police officer from a distance, even though I am unarmed and the officer has already fired at me."

    Okay fine.


    Don't be confusing people here (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 11:20:17 AM EST
    With your leftist logic.

    Grab and restrain a 6' 4" 300 pounder (none / 0) (#52)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 04:22:07 PM EST
    outside the vehicle!!  It's a police officer, not Superman.

    Doesn't have to be (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Yman on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 04:57:51 PM EST
    The police officer was even bigger than Brown and many people will simply comply with a police officer who grabs them.

    OTOH - You might be on to something with the Superman analogy.  He's the only one who's bulletproof and could expect to successfully charge a police officer while unarmed.


    6-4 Gentle Giant vs 6-6 Towering Titan (none / 0) (#101)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 11:14:29 PM EST
    Grab and restrain a 6' 4" 300 pounder

    You do know that Towering Titan Wilson  is atleast 6'6" and heavier than Gentle Giant Brown.

    And he gets regular training in hand to hand martial arts as a police officer.

    And he was within the protection of his SUV with the ability to call for backup by just opening his mouth.

    So then what happened to him that day??? Did he wake up that morning and turn into a 4 foot tall 90 pound wimp???

    Did he forget to eat his Wheaties that morning???

    Did he forget his extensive police training in martial arts.

    Did he forget that he had received a commendation 6 months earlier for taking down a suspect larger than Brown singlehandedly without resorting to gun or baton or pepper spray or tazer or backup or shooting him 6 times????  

    After all he was up against a kid who couldn't have been doing too much punching or scratching with those cigarillos in his hand that he was protecting.

    So why pull his gun this time on a guy whose only crime was jaywalking and who is at worst leaning through your door window when all Wilson had to do was roll up the window or put his foot on the gas pedal and drive onward.

    This ridiculous defense of Wilson's actions that day is an insult to the intelligence of the average citizen.


    just a note (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Palli on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 12:20:45 AM EST
    Regarding the 2013 case you refer to for which Wilson received his commendation:
    A Grand Jury case was approved by a judge and scheduled in a case regarding Christopher Brooks' allegations of Wilson's excessive force when he was arrested for refusing to comply to the demand to give Wilson keys to a locked car parked in his grandmother's driveway. Wilson was a no show at the grand Jury.  Apparently there are at least 9 other Grand Jury cases that require Wilson's testimony.  

    Wilson was right handed, his holster on the right (none / 0) (#96)
    by Palli on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 10:36:29 PM EST
    Weeks ago I  said that  Wilson must have had his gun out of the holster.  Michael could not have reached fully in to try and take Wilson's gun if it was in his right hand holster. Nor would he logically have tried. (Thus the thug narrative.) But he could have been trying to grab or push away a gun pointed at him. Conveniently, Michael can't be a witness to the few seconds and it is a cinch Wilson"s narrative will be self-serving...if it is ever publicly released.

    Michael Brown had a gunshot wound on his hand and forearm. Possibly one of these was the first shot fired while Wilson was in the car. It is said Michael's blood was found on the inside panel of the driver, on Wilson's uniform and the gun.  Exact locations of the blood on the uniform and gun would be important to determine how deeply Michael Brown's arm or chest. was pulled into the car.  


    Really?? (1.00 / 3) (#124)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 12:58:51 PM EST
    Michael could not have reached fully in to try and take Wilson's gun if it was in his right hand holster.

    Good grief. That is just so wrong.


    you try it (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by Palli on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 12:08:47 PM EST
    I suppose you are one of those people who conveniently ignores the fact that Wilson was taller and bigger than Michael Brown.

    Uncle Chip (none / 0) (#17)
    by ragebot on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:02:39 AM EST
    Do you have a link to the official ME report about GSR.  I know the one Brown's lawyer arranged found no GSR but there were questions about if/how Brown's body may have been cleaned and if it may have removed any GSR.  Baaden said in the first press conference that he did not have access to Brown's clothes and he could not rule out any GSR, just that he did not find any.

    GSR (none / 0) (#31)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 10:08:51 AM EST
    The Baden's press conference is online --

    And immediately after that PC the St Louis County ME issued a statement that she concurred with his findings except on one point -- the County ME put the number of gunshot wounds at between 6 and 8 not just 6 as Baden estimated.

    She did not disagree with anything else that he said.

    Based upon the new forensics here there was probably GSR on his shirt which like you say Baden did not have access to.

    I highly doubt that as careful as the County ME was in this case that any GSR was washed off before Baden had access to it.

    But we still don't have anything from the ME or anybody  which continues to frustrate the local St Louis press.


    The question is not (none / 0) (#36)
    by ragebot on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 10:51:49 AM EST
    did the ME wash off any GSR.  The body was sent to a funeral home where it was to be prepared for burial.  The first step in that process is to wash off the body with chemicals to kill all germs and prepare the body for makeup to be put on it.

    The funeral home employees are not trained in preserving evidence, rather to make the body presentable for the family.  I have never seen anyone provide answers to what was done to Brown's body once the family took custody.


    The body (none / 0) (#38)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 01:35:15 PM EST
    The body did not go to the funeral home until the County ME's and the private and the FBI's autopsies were completed.

    They are not stupid in Missouri. They know how to process a dead body without losing evidence.

    The funeral home did not get the body until after the third autopsy -- the one done by the FBI.


    You may be wrong (none / 0) (#42)
    by ragebot on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 02:38:11 PM EST
    From a NYT article.

    "The two medical experts conducted the four-hour examination Sunday at the Austin A. Layne Mortuary in St. Louis."


    The FBI autopsy was performed after the one Brown's lawyer arranged.

    I thought we went over this a while back and established that both the Baaden and FBI examination, which were only described as preliminary autopsies by news reports, occurred after the Brown family took possession of the body so the chain of custody was broken and limited its value as evidence in a court of law.


    autopsies (none / 0) (#50)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 03:57:33 PM EST
    The County's autopsy was the official autopsy. The family and FBI autopsies were just checking up on the ME's work centering mainly on the bullet holes.

    If the County found GSR on his skin then there was officially GSR on the skin -- whether Baden found anything or not.

    But given the fact that the County ME took the time at a press conference to point out where her ballistic findings differed from Baden's -- her 8 versus Baden's 6 -- I suspect that if she had found skin GSR while Baden hadn't, then she would have said so at that press conference.

    So all we are left with at this point is that Baden found no skin GSR and the County ME did not disagree with him.  


    "At least one shot" (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jack203 on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:08:08 AM EST
    "At least one shot was fired from inside the car, Chief Belmar said."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/us/police-say-mike-brown-was-killed-after-struggle-for-gun.html?_r =0

    Many here claimed that Wilson took the fifth and never testified to the grand jury.  Seems like they were wrong there too.

    "You can't just pick and choose forensic evidence and statements and draw your conclusions from selective stuff."

    This is exactly what you are doing.


    Really? (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Yman on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:22:48 AM EST
    Many here claimed that Wilson took the fifth and never testified to the grand jury.  Seems like they were wrong there too.

    Given that Wilson's testifying before the grand jury was widely reported (including at TL), who are the "many" here that claimed that, and when did they do it?  A Google site search shows no such thing.


    I don't think anyone here disputed the claim that Wilson testified in front of the GJ.

    The Two Chiefs (none / 0) (#46)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 03:17:47 PM EST
    You gotta get your Chiefs right.

    Chief Belmar is the St Louis County Police Chief -- he only knew what Chief Jackson was telling him.

    Chief Jackson is the Ferguson Police Chief who had Belmar's ear early on.

    It was Chief Jackson who said that there was only one shot in the car but no one was hit by it -- not Belmar.

    Jackson was at the scene 5 minutes after the shooting and yet he was incapable of reading it or just telling the truth about it.

    How could he be so sure that there was a struggle in the front seat and yet miss the two shell casings there???

    or the fresh blood on the interior of the door that had to have still been wet???

    or the blood on Wilson's shirt that did not come from Wilson???

    or that the crime scene extended 135 feet from the vehicle to the body -- not just 35 feet???

    And yet we have this:

    The 2 Chiefs Press Conference

    How far did he say that the crime scene was and he said it twice.

    And Chief Jackson just sits there like a bump on a log and lets Belmar lie about something that is easily verifiable from cellphone video and make an fool out of himself.

    He was so sure of a struggle in the front seat which can never be verified and yet the distance the body was from the vehicle he can't get right even though he addresses it twice.

    I doubt they will be exchanging cards this holiday season but someone should get them both tape measures for their stockings.

    Glad I could help --


    Two shots (none / 0) (#19)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:11:53 AM EST

    With your adrenaline up you can get two shots off in less than 0.15 seconds. So it's not surprising that witnesses heard one.  BTW, Wilson had more pressing concerns than keeping an accurate round count.  Superhuman skills should not be expected from mere mortals.

    If the story says 'fired in the car' (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by ruffian on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:38:12 PM EST
    why do you keep saying 'fired AT the car'?

    Re the Ebola czar. A comment in the (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 12:59:34 AM EST
    last open thread states: This is SOP for Obama. He almost always picks the wrong person for the job.

    In my opinion, President Obama's "picks" for SCOTUS are fine.

    Speaking of picks... (excuse the segue...) (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by lentinel on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 10:20:31 AM EST
    I came across this performance of the Bach Piano Concerto in d minor by pianist Dinu Lipatti.

    I'm listening to it over and over - and I'm curious how you would feel about it.

    Dinu Lipatti - Bach Concerto in d minor


    Very listenable and, of course, a pianist I (none / 0) (#91)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:45:05 PM EST
    would have enjoyed hearing play.

    Performance practice re this era of music composition has changed a great deal since 1947 when this recording was made. Changes include a smaller ensemble, much less string vibrato, much less use of the sostenuto pedal by the pianist, generally faster tempi. This music was written for harpsichord, which has no capability.


    I think (none / 0) (#109)
    by lentinel on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 06:51:53 AM EST
    that Lipatti was aware of the movement to try to play with original instruments - and questions about how to play turns and trills.

    But I believe he came down on the side of reconciling himself with being a pianist - and feeling that he could and even should express the music in a way that had personal meaning for him - and expressed the meaning of the music the way he felt it.
    For me, I love the way he brings out individual voices - I believe he hears every single note - and practically sings them.

    In any case - I love this performance.


    I find it difficult to believe the pianist was, (none / 0) (#139)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 04:35:08 PM EST
    in 1947, aware of baroque performance practice concepts developed later in the 20th century.* But, so what?  Enjoy.

    *  UC Davis


    I should (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by lentinel on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 06:01:24 AM EST
    make clear what I meant.

    Early on, say with Wanda Landowska in the early part of the twentieth century, there was already a controversy about the performance of what is called baroque music - a generalized term in which the music of JSB is often included.

    The movement to investigate "authentic" ways of performing trills, turns, tempi, began to be a hot topic in academic circles. In addition, they would discuss where to place the tuning of "A".

    And, of course, there is the continuing movement to perform the music of Bach and others of that era with "original" instruments. Viola da gambas - baroque violins - claviers - harpsichords - etc.

    Lipatti was well aware of this and said so at the time. (There is an interview with him in which he addresses this subject.)
    But he opted to perform Bach's music on the piano - the instrument he loved - and to take certain liberties that some academics might frown upon - but that, for him, expressed his feeling about the music - and utilized the expressive capacities of the modern piano.

    Bottom line: I love this performance by Lipatti - and thought you might too.


    Here's an interesting article: (none / 0) (#184)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 10:22:54 AM EST
    I'm listening now and (none / 0) (#103)
    by ZtoA on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 11:32:22 PM EST
    I think it is wonderful! My beloved sister says "Bach is just a bunch of notes" - could not disagree more. (still love her). This is wonderful. Thanks for that 'segue'.

    What do you think of this? Mysterious gates - Les Baricades Mysterious by Couperin.


    I guess (none / 0) (#110)
    by lentinel on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 06:54:58 AM EST
    you could say that the Bach is just a bunch of notes... but I really like these notes.

    I'm glad you liked the performance.

    I'll check out Les Baricades Mysterious and get back to you.


    Et tu? (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by lentinel on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 07:28:41 AM EST
    Militants are dominating the fight in Iraq's crucial Anbar Province weeks into the American air campaign, as the Iraqi military has struggled to go on the offensive....  (T)he air campaign has been limited in Anbar, in part because Iraqi forces there have mostly stayed at their garrisons. American military advisers are increasing pressure on their Iraqi counterparts to leave their bases and seize the initiative, officials in Washington say.

    Turkey doesn't give a sh-t....
    Saudi Arabia doesn't give a sh-t...

    and it appears as if the "Iraqi military" doesn't give a sh-t.

    That should tell us something, but apparently it doesn't.

    I remember a program aired by CBS during the feverish and unstoppable run-up to Bush's offensive in Iraq.
    Mike Wallace was, I believe, the interviewer.
    One poignant interview was with an Iraqi teenager.
    She asked, "Why can't you leave us alone"?

    I thought about her as Bush reigned bombs upon Iraq shortly after that interview.

    And now...
    What the he!! is going on?

    Turkey has a huge dilemma (none / 0) (#49)
    by christinep on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 03:55:34 PM EST
    The crux: How to interact (and survive) in both the Western NATO world and the Islamic world that occupies much of its real-life streets.  

    This is only a quick note to emphasize the tightrope walk that fairly moderate governments such as--especially as--Turkey must perform.  The situation in Turkey is most definitely quite a bit complicated and different than a simplistic or slogan-istic conclusion about giving a <whatever.>

    Of course, I understand your position.  It would be hard to miss:)  But, even in stews, some things don't fit.

    And, as for the Saudis ... well, I'm guessing their reasoning is clear "Whatever keeps their royalty in power."  The cards they play, tho, always can be counted on to give meaning to the word "opaque."  


    and remain, on the third hand, (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:43:48 PM EST
    implacably hostile to its Kurdish minority.

    Shift by Turkey being reported today (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 09:29:39 AM EST
    SURUC, Turkey (AP) -- In a significant shift, Turkey's top diplomat announced on Monday that his country is helping Iraqi Kurdish fighters cross into Syria to "give support" to fellow Kurds defending the border town of Kobani from Islamic State militants.

    The remarks by Turkey's Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, at a press conference in Ankara, followed the announcement by the U.S. military that it had for the first time airdropped weapons, ammunition and medical supplies provided by Kurdish authorities in Iraq to the Kurdish forces in Kobani.
    But the U.S. military's announcement of the airdrops, coupled with the Turkish foreign minister's statements, is an unexpected development.

    It suggests Turkey may be softening its stance on the issue of helping the Syrian Kurds. But although a significant departure from previous positions, it is not a complete change of policy -- since allowing Iraqi Kurdish peshmerga forces to cross into Syria is different from allowing Turkish PKK forces into Kobani. link

    GamerGate (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 10:06:13 AM EST
    this is an interesting current Internet meme.  Even if you have no interest in games there are elements of racism, misogyny and more.  It is important because like them or not Video Games are big and getting bigger.  This kind of growing pains experience is necessary for games to ever break out if the narrow fan boy world it has lived in pretty much forever-


    Gamergate (sometimes referred to as GamerGate or as a hashtag #gamergate) is a controversy in video game culture which began in August 2014. It concerns ingrained[1] issues of sexism and misogyny in the gaming community, as well as journalistic ethics in the online gaming press, particularly conflicts of interest between video game journalists and developers.[2][3][4][5][6]

    The controversy came to wider attention due to a sustained campaign of harassment that indie game developer Zoe Quinn was subjected to after an ex-boyfriend posted numerous allegations on his blog in August 2014, including that she had a "romantic relationship"[7] with a Kotaku journalist, which prompted concerns that the relationship led to positive media coverage for her game. Although these concerns proved unfounded,[8][a] allegations about journalistic ethics continued to clash with allegations of harassment and misogyny.[10] Other topics of debate have included perceived changes or threats to the "gamer" identity as a result of the ongoing maturation and diversification of the gaming industry.[2][3][4][5]

    The rising popularity of the medium, and greater emphasis on games as a potential art form, has led to a commensurate focus on social criticism within gaming media and indie works.[9][12][13] This shift has prompted opposition from traditional "hardcore" gamers who view games purely as a form of entertainment.[6][9][12][14] This opposition, however, has often been expressed in the form of personal harassment of female figures in the industry rather than constructive cultural conversations.[10][12] The harassment campaign against Quinn was of such ferocity as to attract significant mainstream media attention which focused on the sexist, misogynistic and trolling elements within the gamer community. Allegations of impropriety in gaming media have prompted policy changes at several outlets, and commentators generally agree that systemic problems in the gaming media need to be discussed; however, the harassment and misogyny associated with Gamergate is seen as having poisoned the well.[10][12][15] Furthermore, the choice to focus the campaign on a heretofore relatively obscure independent developer rather than AAA publishers has led to questions about its motivations.[14][15]

    Mother Jones

    These 7 Geek Icons Have Had Enough of #Gamergate. Here's How They're Fighting Back.

    A cliched bloodthirsty roaming gang from post-apocalyptic fiction seems to be ruling gaming fandom right now."

    Adding (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 10:16:49 AM EST
    one of the reasons I was not friends with all my gaming co-workers was that I was very much for the evolution of the industry into something more.  The potential is mind boggling.  But there is a large number, vast majority actually, of fanboy gamers that do not want the industry to ever be anything more than it is.  It made them unhappy to hear my opinion that they could not stop it.  Boo hoo.

    I'm still reading the comments from (none / 0) (#40)
    by ZtoA on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 01:49:42 PM EST
    your Mother Jones link. What a whole other world, at least for me. I watched the video link that Tim Schafer posted too.

    Not Sure I Am Getting This... (none / 0) (#192)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 11:45:14 AM EST
    ...as a gamer there is nothing but sexism in every game made practically.  Have you ever played Grand Theft Auto, it's a teenage boys wet dream.  But beyond that there isn't a female character is a game that is some bimboed version of barbie.  Even the ones in which the lead is a woman.

    My point, any industry that caters to and continuously puts out entertainment for young boys is going to have have issues with how women are treated/portrayed.  But it is good to see some people trying to change that, to differentiate between the online fantasy to the real life reality.

    Race IMO is no where near as prevalent, no more so that any other industry, at least in their products.

    What really surprises me is that no one is developing X rated games, basically games that go beyond the R rated versions. I think there are foreign games like that, but they aren't anywhere near the quality and realistic-ness of today's games.  

    I never understood how people will eat up games with very graphic portrayals of killing, but just won't make that leap into nudity and/or sex.


    Shame. (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by lentinel on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 10:42:03 AM EST
    The United States had gone to war declaring it must destroy an active weapons of mass destruction program. Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West.

    The New York Times found 17 American service members and seven Iraqi police officers who were exposed to nerve or mustard agents after 2003. American officials said that the actual tally of exposed troops was slightly higher, but that the government's official count was classified.

    The secrecy fit a pattern. Since the outset of the war, the scale of the United States' encounters with chemical weapons in Iraq was neither publicly shared nor widely circulated within the military. These encounters carry worrisome implications now that the Islamic State, a Qaeda splinter group, controls much of the territory where the weapons were found.

    The American government withheld word about its discoveries even from troops it sent into harm's way and from military doctors. The government's secrecy, victims and participants said, prevented troops in some of the war's most dangerous jobs from receiving proper medical care and official recognition of their wounds.

    "I felt more like a guinea pig than a wounded soldier," said a former Army sergeant who suffered mustard burns in 2007 and was denied hospital treatment and medical evacuation to the United States despite requests from his commander.

    - NYTimes (Underlining mine.)

    This is the kind of thing I reflect upon whenever politicians offer the bromide, speaking of our people in uniform, that we should "honor their sacrifice".

    It should be made clear that our government is the entity that is all too often the one that is sacrificing them to serve their own interests. To protect their own keisters.

    "We have met the enemy and he is us."  - Walt Kelly (Pogo)

    Gee, it seems like only yesterday. (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by KeysDan on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 02:21:30 PM EST
    The Vatican Synod on the Family, comprised of celibate, childless men, not permitted to even have "a particular friendship," has pulled the "welcome mat" away.  The watered down section that included "people with homosexual tendencies must be welcomed with respect and dignity," failed to get the necessary 2/3 majority.  

    Other paragraphs that discussed whether divorced and civilly re-married Catholics can receive Communion, also failed to pass.

    The Pope asked for the entire document, including the paragraphs that failed, be published along with the voting tally. This document is to be discussed over the next year and debated again at the October 2015 confab.  However, the tone is set, despite the vote.   And,  for the guy in the pew, tone often equates to  theology.  Or, trumps it. And, that has not gone unnoticed by the conservatives.

    While all of this may be thought of as being germane only to Catholics, the disturbing political  inter-relationship between Church and State makes it relevant in a broader sense.

    Sounds like the Pope is chipping away at that ossified mound of bishops and cardinals that as piled up over the years.  Wonder if he has read much of Saul Alinsky?

    Still in the dark ages (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 02:40:25 PM EST
    When I read the original statements, I thought that maybe there was hope for my birth religion yet. Their MAN made policies are IMO one of the main reasons that their membership keeps shrinking.

    Now I'm beginning once again to think that these policies will live on long after I'm gone.


    Definitely of broader concern (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 02:43:57 PM EST
    if only from the "church/state" angle.  I tend to worry very little about the results of the, as you eloquently put it, 'how many Angels' discussions.   If I had a concern it would be that this guy is clearly outnumbered and based on history I find it hard to believe the entrenched powers will allow the next guy who wears the big hat to be as progressive as this one.  

    In an odd way it's rather like the game industry post I put in this thread.  Many people working thanklessly in the shadows against great odds to bring a religion (if you don't think gaming is a religion you don't understand the culture) out of the shadows and free it from the ossified ideas on which it was built and has by which it has done very well for itself.  In both cases the ones advocating for change tho hugely outnumbered will probably win at some point.  Not necessarily because their cause is just but because if they don't culture will become less and less relevant to the world in which most of us live.


    Oh ... but, Captain (none / 0) (#51)
    by christinep on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 04:17:29 PM EST
    The Pope is never outnumbered ... when he is as determined as our Pope Francis has shown himself to be.

    And, recall that the Pope actually did a kind of "end run" around the predictably resistant Bishops earlier when he directed that the various Sees have questionnaires regarding such family and social issues distributed and completed, anonymously, by the laity in the pews. Also, think about the reality that Bishops must tender their resignations from such authoritative positions at 75 (voting in the College of Cardinals has an upper age limit as well) and that the present Pope exercises total authority in appointing new Bishops.  

    IMO, Pope Francis is extremely well-schooled in the ways of the Curia and beyond.  There is a reason for the saying that "Rome wasn't built in a day." This Pope has been clear and direct about how/where he finds the Church must move ... as a merciful, forgiving, and inclusive body.  I trust that with his practiced eye, he will move the Church in a spirit of gradualism toward that end.

    There may be a unique "gnashing of teeth" by those hyper-Conservative Bishops, but the Pope appears ready to exercise his immense authority and knowledge to take us in the direction he is gradually outlining.


    And what about the next one? (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 04:43:46 PM EST
    im sincerely asking.  I have no idea.  But I wonder if, after all the aforementioned teeth gnashing, they will find a successor who will continue it.

    That is the central question (none / 0) (#121)
    by christinep on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 12:02:06 PM EST
    But, if he succeeds in instituting needed new directions, any successor might find it even more difficult to bend back the historical arc.

    About being outnumbered (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 04:59:59 PM EST
    saw an interesting quote some place on the coverage of this story "the Pope better hope his food tasters don't call in sick"

    Hmmmm..... (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Zorba on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 05:22:12 PM EST
    John Paul I?

    A former priest made a (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 10:40:45 PM EST
    similar comment to a small gathering last night. He was quite serious.

    Good comment christinep... (none / 0) (#74)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 07:40:42 PM EST
    and as much as I like you Howdy, it really is not a game.  :)

    That's (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 07:56:03 PM EST
    really not what I said

    OK, it's not like a game. (none / 0) (#93)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:57:48 PM EST
    For the record (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 10:49:07 PM EST
    i said gaming is like a religion.   And it is.  I did not say or mean religion is like a game.  There is a difference.

    not a new idea (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 10:56:43 PM EST
    Yep, Patricia Hernandez thinks (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 12:59:02 PM EST
    religion is like a game.  She also thinks war is like a game too.  Rather sad comparisons in my opinion, Howdy.  Thankfully our differences are merely opinions.

    Game of Drones (5.00 / 2) (#130)
    by ruffian on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 02:17:01 PM EST
    I'm sure she is very upset (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 04:13:12 PM EST
    you feel that way.  You being her target audience and all.  I actually had to google to know who that was.  I forgot her role since it had nothing to do with the point of comparing hardcore gamers to religious zealots.  Something done quite widely in recent years.   It's not surprising she has written on the subject.  Pretty much every gaming journalist has.   Personally I think if you don't see the similarity you simply don't understand one of the them.

    What I think is sad is dismissing such an important discussion because you don't like seeing a goat compared to your scared cow.


    SACRED Cow (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 04:14:42 PM EST
    hopefully you don't brand them.

    c'mon Howdy... (none / 0) (#142)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 05:36:45 PM EST
    it was your link that led to her.  Mean what you know, and know what you mean.

    Capt, that was a truly fascinating link and (none / 0) (#141)
    by ZtoA on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 05:36:37 PM EST
    video. Andy Robertson makes a good case. Do you know of any game that an inexperienced, lay-person, beginner could try out to get a personal taste of what games are all about?

    That's kind of a big question. (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 06:02:00 PM EST
    there are many different kinds of games.  They range from very physical Wi type games that actually haves you up jumping around to moody strategy games like Myst.   Rather that direct you to a link I will direct you to collection of links

    Do some reading and see what looks interesting.   If you don't want to buy a box (X-Box, Playstation, Wii) you might want to try some Pc based games.   PC games have great graphics and look beautiful because there is more memory to make it look good.  Many people start with Wii.  For some reason.  But there are reasons to buy boxes. X-Boxes have NetFlix and other goodies.  Playstation has a BluRay player.  

    Other searches for you might be artistic, beautiful, visual games.  Knowing what I know of you you are not going to like the shooter type games.  But there are some really stunning action games with no slaughter.   But honestly there are so many....
    I will mention one name because of other entertainment you have enjoyed.  Assassins Creed.  Sort of Game of Thronesish.  You can also see clips from just about any game that sounds interesting on YouTube.


    Take a look at (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 06:14:36 PM EST
    Asassins Creed
    One of the more beautiful action games.  Yes, some violence but costume violence and no guns.

    At least in the early ones (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 06:57:17 PM EST
    i forgot the more recent ones have guns.  Old guns but guns.

    One more suggestion Mirrors Edge

    Sort of a first person free running game.  This is an interesting video because it's sort of walks you through playing it.  Like you see the option to take no weapons.  Beautiful game.

    (Been enjoying this search)


    One more thing (none / 0) (#148)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 07:06:39 PM EST
    it is generally agreed, and referenced in that Mirrors Edge video, that we are reaching the end of the X-Box, Playstation era.  Currently all games have to be made in usually at least two formats.  The two I mentioned. This is a huge headache for programmers because the two versions sometimes have to be very different because of the different kinds of limitations of each platform.  
    The "next generation" will be something else.  Possibly web based, no box required.  But we are on the threshold of the next big leap in gaming.
    That said,  there are still going to be lots of those platforms and the games to play one them sold in the near future.  Just something to think about.

    Next gen (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 07:32:37 PM EST
    Thank you so much Capt (none / 0) (#163)
    by ZtoA on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 11:13:48 PM EST
    My (stupid) computer won't load this at the moment but I will check out your links tomorrow. I don't mind violence if it is not "real" in the sense that it is not directed at children of current time frames or gun violence. Can't watch that. I do so appreciate your comments that bring us into the current trends in the arts and "gaming". !!

    Would like to hear (none / 0) (#164)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 11:32:16 PM EST
    what you think

    Cardinal Burke (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 03:37:27 PM EST
    Cardinal Raymond Burke, the conservative American who holds the top position in the Vatican's justice system, on Friday told BuzzFeed he was being demoted.

    Burke, a former archbishop of St Louis, has publicly challenged Pope Francis on issues including abortion and homosexuality.
    Burke told Buzzfeed he was being transferred from his position as prefect of the supreme tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura to be patron of the sovereign military order of Malta, though he said he had not received a formal order. He assumed his role as chief guardian of canon law in June 2008, having been appointed by Pope Benedict XVI.

    Benedict also appointed Burke to the Congregation for Bishops in 2009. Four years later, Francis removed Burke and 13 other bishops from the 18-man group. Days after he was removed from that post, in December 2013, Burke criticised Francis in an interview with the Catholic broadcaster EWTN.

    "One gets the impression, or it's interpreted this way in the media, that he thinks we're talking too much about abortion, too much about the integrity of marriage as between one man and one woman," Burke said. "But we can never talk enough about that."

    When National Catholic Reporter asked Burke who told him that he was being removed from the Vatican's justice system, he replied: "Who do you think?"

    Capt: Yep ... the Pope does not need (none / 0) (#53)
    by christinep on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 04:26:32 PM EST
    a "Senate's" approval for his appointees.  Pope Francis has already moved key people into key positions ... he does know the lay of the Vatican land.  Check back to one of his first decisions as Pontiff: He chose to live in the Vatican lodgings (aka Hotel Marta) and not in the Vatican palace quarters that previous Popes have occupied ... because, at the "Hotel" he doesn't subject himself to the usual influences of those who would be influential and, instead, reportedly takes his meals simply with the hotel staff.

    Yes, but it is (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by KeysDan on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 06:45:53 PM EST
    a balancing act, even for a Pope.   A Pope needs to worry about Schism; the Bishops about promotion/location of assignment; and the Cardinals, about being ignored.   It was unusual for some of these opponents of change, such as Cardinal Burke and Cardinal Napier to speak out publicly.

     They are generally better at back room gossip, although Burke, although not at retirement age of 75 has been demoted, twice, and probably feels that he has nothing to lose. Plus, he is a long-time ultra-conservative, which is falling out of favor.
    The African Cardinals, like Napier, are in another world on matters such as homosexuality--a taboo subject for discussion.

    Pope Francis is sort of a communion organizer--lets the issues arise, steps back and lets the group fight it out.  A lot of appearance of democracy, or, at least, ameliorates the risk of coalescence of papal threats.

     Of course, at some point, he will have to step in with a papal "message," but he has some time, if he remains in good health, to out last the most recalcitrant, and to show that the old way is not the way to career success for the up and coming.  The appointment of the archbishop to replace Cardinal George surely did not go unnoticed. Careers mean you follow the party line.  


    This (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 07:59:59 PM EST
    to be patron of the sovereign military order of Malta

    Sounds a little like bent sent to Siberia.  Is it?


    For heathens like me (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 08:07:27 PM EST
    who have no idea what that is-

    SMOM is the modern continuation of the original medieval order of Saint John of Jerusalem,[8] known as the "Fraternitas Hospitalaria" and later as the Knights Hospitaller, a group founded in Jerusalem around the year 1050 as an Amalfitan hospital to provide care for poor and sick pilgrims to the Holy Land. After the conquest of Jerusalem in 1099 during the First Crusade, it became a military order under its own charter. Following the loss of Christian held territories of the Holy Land to Muslims, the Order operated from Rhodes (1310-1523), and later from Malta (1530-1798), over which it was sovereign.
    Today the order has about 13,000 members; 80,000 permanent volunteers; and 20,000 medical personnel including doctors, nurses, auxiliaries and paramedics in more than 120 countries.[3] The goal is to assist the elderly, handicapped, refugeed, children, homeless, those with terminal illness and leprosy in all parts of the world, without distinction of race or religion.

    Hospice care (none / 0) (#119)
    by christinep on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 11:50:29 AM EST
    The Knights Hospitalier became the forerunner of such well-regarded hospice care as St. John's in the Denver metro area.  

    BTW, Malta is a surprisingly interesting place ... in addition to Maltese dogs.  The castle or fortress on the island is replete with the history of the Knights.  Fascinatingly medieval.  And, outside Valetta, there are ruins to the north reminiscent of Stonehenge in England.  About 15 years ago, we happened to spend a day looking around this most strategic point (the harbor tells it all)...points of reference to relatively nearby Italy and Tunisia together with languages reflecting Europe and Africa ... then, on that small piece of land, I began to wonder how long it would take for the island version of "cabin fever" to take hold.


    Yes, sort of (none / 0) (#116)
    by KeysDan on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 11:18:23 AM EST
    vice president in charge of looking out the window.   When Burke was asked who told him of his demotion, he is reported to have said, 'who do you think.'      The 67-year old arch-conservative Cardinal will have plenty of time on his hands--hopefully he will use it for fittings for a new "cappa magna,' the medieval cape with a 50-meter train that he fancies, rather than let himself become a martyr for the so-called traditionalists, becoming the new schismatic in the mold of a previous papal nemesis, Archbishop Lefebvre.

    The Knights of Malta is a religious order of laymen, rather than clerics.   The order has a large number of physicians and other health care personnel.  It has among it, members of means who are very conservative.


    *excellent* (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 11:22:35 AM EST
    it was obvious even to a layman that it was a comedown from-

    prefect of the supreme tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura

    Yes, I also hope & pray that Pope Francis (none / 0) (#120)
    by christinep on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 11:57:30 AM EST
    has a very long, healthy life. He clearly is not risk averse; so, I also take to heart some of the quips above. (For Capt. Howdy: In recent months, the Pope has visited the reputed home area of some Mafia families ... where he did not mince words.) He has courage; and, he has the good wishes and deserved support of millions.

    Viva Il Papa!


    Divided Bishops Water Down (none / 0) (#160)
    by NYShooter on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 10:47:01 PM EST
    Welcome To Gays and the Divorced

    ROME - "A dramatic Vatican summit of bishops ended Saturday night by significantly watering down an opening to both gay and divorced and remarried Catholics contained in an interim report released Monday."



    "It's a process" (none / 0) (#176)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 09:11:34 AM EST
    Fox News contributor Father Jonathan Morris on Sunday suggested that baptizing the children of same-sex couple would be difficult because the parents would be raising them in sin.

    From your link (none / 0) (#180)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 09:20:42 AM EST
    That tracks with what Pope Francis told the bishops in a 10-minute speech at the end, saying that the Catholic Church needs to chart a middle course between "hostile rigidity" and a "false sense of mercy."

    The Church, Francis said, must neither "throw stones at sinners, the weak and the ill," nor "come down off the cross" by accommodating itself to "the spirit of the world."

    Question: How many mulligans ... (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 04:30:31 PM EST
    ... does Jameis Winston receive from Florida State officials, before the university finally pulls the plug on this bad actor and suspends him?

    While there's no denying the Heisman Trophy winner's impressive talents on the football field, young Mr. Winston has also and unfortunately managed to compile some less-than-impressive statistics off the gridiron, as well:

    • He's finally facing a very belated student judiciary hearing regarding allegations that he raped an FSU coed back in Dec. 2012 -- an incident which both the school and Tallahassee police apparently couldn't be bothered with investigating 20 months ago when it first occurred.

    • He was detained by campus police for carrying a pellet gun on campus, and then accused of breaking windows at an off-campus apartment complex that same day.

    • He was caught shoplifting on a Tallahassee grocery store's security camera.

    • He was suspended for one game by FSU interim president Garnett Stokes after he climbed on a table and screamed an obscenity at other people in the Student Union Building.

    • And now, he's under investigation again after more than 2,000 Winston-autographed items wound up being authenticated by the same company tied to suspended Georgia running back Todd Gurley, an apparent violation of NCAA rules.

    Despite this multi-car pileup, FSU head football coach Jimbo Fisher still defends his team's meal ticket as "an outstanding young man," and further announced that he'll start today's game against Notre Dame in Tallahassee. (Contrast this kid-glove treatment with the way the University of Georgia has handled a similar situation with Bulldog RB Todd Gurley, who's been suspended indefinitely.)

    It's certainly not an unfair question when people now ask if Florida State has two sets of rules for the student body, one for its acclaimed male athletes and another for everybody else. But at what point does Winston's continued presence on the Seminole sidelines become a radioactive sideshow for the university?

    The federal Dept. of Education is investigating FSU's delayed response to the sexual assault allegations against their QB as an apparent violation of Title IX, which could potentially cost the university millions of dollars in federal funding.

    Individuals associated with college football are also voicing their concerns with both Winston and FSU's apparent tolerance and enabling of his questionable behavior.

    And frankly, the egregious personal attacks directed against the young FSU coed who accused Winston of sexual assault in Dec. 2012 are disgusting. Apparently, when your favorite team's shot at a national championship is jeopardized, nothing is considered too far out of bounds in its defense.

    Let's hope that the good folks at Florida State wise up, and suspend Jameis Winston from the Seminole football team until these allegations are clarified and resolved, and the young man can demonstrate that he's finally getting his act together off the field.


    Donald google is your friend (none / 0) (#88)
    by ragebot on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:31:56 PM EST
    A simple google search turns up about five thousand images of Winston signing autographs, and they all seem to be of him doing it for free.  Even ESPN had a headline that there was no evidence Winston broke any NCAA rules by getting money for signing.

    You might also want to review the results of the rape kit that was administrated as soon as the supposed rape was reported, not to mention the tox report.  Both contradict what the girl told the LEOs.


    h, for crying out loud! (none / 0) (#107)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 04:24:32 AM EST
    We're talking about over 2,000 pieces of memorabilia -- i.e., helmets, jerseys, etc. -- that were to be sold for profit, in some instances up to $500 apiece. Further, these items have pretty much appeared almost all at once.

    Do you really believe that over 2,000 different individuals just spontaneously decided to unload their autographed items, and that it's sheer coincidence that each of them then submitted their items to the same authentication service all at once? Give me a break. That said, I'll wait and see what the investigation uncovers, before drawing any definitive conclusions about what's really going on here. You should, too.

    As far as the sexual assault allegations are concerned, I suggest that you read The New York Times investigative piece on the so-called investigation:

    "[T]he prosecutor, William N. Meggs, acknowledged a number of shortcomings in the police investigation. In fact, an examination by The New York Times has found that there was virtually no investigation at all, either by the police or the university. (Emphasis is mine.)

    "The police did not follow the obvious leads that would have quickly identified the suspect as well as witnesses, one of whom videotaped part of the sexual encounter. After the accuser identified Mr. Winston as her assailant, the police did not even attempt to interview him for nearly two weeks and never obtained his DNA.

    "The detective handling the case waited two months to write his first report and then prematurely suspended his inquiry without informing the accuser. By the time the prosecutor got the case, important evidence had disappeared, including the video of the sexual act.


    "Patricia A. Carroll, a lawyer for Mr. Winston's accuser, said the police investigator who handled the case, Scott Angulo, told her that because Tallahassee was a big football town, her client would be 'raked over the coals' if she pursued the case.


    "Late last year, Mr. Winston's accuser and another Florida State student filed internal-affairs complaints, charging that Tallahassee police officers had investigated them, rather than the accused, and then prematurely dropped their cases. 'My attorney's repeated calls to Tallahassee Police Department prove that I had not dropped the case,' Mr. Winston's accuser wrote in her Dec. 19 complaint.


    "With Mr. Winston identified, the next logical step would have been to quickly obtain his DNA. Officer Angulo decided against it. Ms. Carroll, the accuser's lawyer, said the officer told her that testing Mr. Winston's DNA might generate publicity. 'I specifically asked and he refused,' Ms. Carroll said.

    "Officer Angulo concluded his six-page report by saying: 'This case is being suspended at this time due to a lack of cooperation from the victim. If the victim decides to press charges, the case will be pursued.'


    "In the weeks that followed, not knowing the investigation had been suspended, Ms. Carroll called the police periodically to see if lab tests had come back. Sometimes, her calls were returned, she said, but not always."

    Since the Tallahassee Police Dept.'s lead investigator in the case, Officer Scott Angulo, never bothered to initially take Winston's DNA or even make a concerted effort to interview him about the accusation, it was only after prosecutors finally took over the investigation -- nearly a year after the accused first reported the alleged assault to police -- when Jameis Winston's DNA was finally obtained. It proved a match to the DNA in the semen found on his accuser's underwear.

    So, wherever you've gotten your information about the rape kit results contradicting the accused, the Times' report strongly suggests that that your information is erroneous.

    That said, we will likely never know for certain what exactly happened that night between Winston and that young woman, in large part because it appears that Officer Angulo was first and foremost a loyal Seminole football fan.

    And judging by the way he apparently slow-walked that case and mishandled even the most basic steps in the investigation, one could easily be forgiven for concluding that Officer Angulo himself -- along with his superiors who signed off -- really didn't want to know what happened that night. And as is so often the case, justice delayed soon became justice denied.



    Better Call Saul (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 08:28:54 AM EST
    Sauls back.   and he brought an earworm

    You drink one, drink two, drink three Long Island ice teas
    But your buddy's worse off, and he throws ya his car keys
    Blue lights are a blinkin', four o'clock in the morn',
    State trooper makes you wish that you'd never been born

    Better Call Saul, Better Call Saul

    You wanna tell the world you're in love with a girl named Fran
    So you find an overpass and say it with a spray paint can
    Blue lights start a blinkin', those handcuffs click
    You know who to call, and you'd better call quick!

    Saul, Saul, you better call Saul -
    He'll fight for your rights when your back's to the wall
    Stick it to the Man, Justice for all -
    You better call Saul!

    Shopping at the Wal-Mart, short just a couple of beans
    There's a George Foreman grill down the back of your blue jeans
    They caught you at the checkout and the blue lights blink -
    Only one guy to call, 'cause the others all stink

    Better Call Saul, Better Call Saul

    Your husband disappeared in a most convenient way
    Now your troubles are gone, his insurance will surely pay
    You get to the bank but the cops say "whoa!"
    Who ya gonna dial when they lock you down cold?

    Saul, Saul, you better call Saul -
    He'll fight for your rights when your back's to the wall
    Stick it to the Man, Justice for all -
    You heard me...  you better call Saul!

    (8 bar Instrumental Break)

    Your customers are gone, and your store is on the rocks
    Spread around the gas, `cuz it's time to torch the stock
    But ya gotta move quick before you singe your own hair
    Who knew there was a homeless guy sleepin' in there!

    Better Call Saul, Better Call Saul

    FBI finds some kids trapped in your creepy van
    You stay real cool and tell `em you're the ice cream man
    But all their crying just gave you away
    Who you gonna call to skip a prison stay?

    Saul, Saul, you better call Saul -
    He'll fight for your rights when your back's to the wall
    Stick it to the Man, Justice for all -
    You better call Saul!

    Capt... (5.00 / 1) (#207)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 02:14:21 PM EST
    ...that is funny, has anyone decided to run it by him ?  "Hey aqua-man, there is a movie about you, it stars Kevin Costner in an apocalyptic future."

    Of all the forces and things we know about us and the universe, the evolution of living things is the coolest.  To not believe that we can from animals when we all a vestigial tails, the coccyx, is crazy.  Then you remember, we don't need hair, tonsils, wisdom teeth, an appendix, a third eyelid, and on and on.  All of it leftovers from evolution.

    But hot damn if those same people don't get their 2014 mutated flu shot or insist that Ebola has/can mutate into being transmitted airborne.

    As much as I love space, most of it too far to ever conclusively prove, it's all theory that doesn't really apply to us.  "Big deal Einstein was right about time slowing down as you you speed up, so the satellites are on different clocks that us Earth people"  But with evolution, you can see it, in every animal, in every virus, it's right here to witness.  And I wonder how many of the 'new' species, usually of bugs, are actually new, not undiscovered.

    My gf has a little dog, she got it after the people from some humane society like group, took her to a puppy mill.  She ended up with three Malteses, but this little one, a runt and I suspect a victim of incest has an extra row of teeth.  Her baby teeth never fell out and the adult teeth just grew in in front of them.  Remarkable and if dogs were controlled, not by humans, that would seem like a pretty fricken cool trait that just might make the odds of her living longer and reproducing more, better than others.

    But fixed dogs in 2014 aren't evolving.

    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#211)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 08:07:18 PM EST
    to all.  Can't remember a more up in the air finale since Breaking Bad.
    (Or Dexter) let's hope it's more the former than the latter.

    Hey, kdog! (none / 0) (#2)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 17, 2014 at 08:56:26 PM EST
    You might be a bit interested in this.
    A team of Russian scientists has determined that the Siberian "ice maiden" likely died of breast cancer and used marijuana to treat the pain, The Siberian Times reports.

    An investigation of the mummified, 2,400 year old remains of the young woman indicates that the young woman died of breast cancer, and the researchers speculate that the marijuana found in her burial chamber was used to mitigate the pain it caused.


    Marijuana to mitigate pain in dying people.  Gee, who would have thought that this was used over two millennia ago?

    The Knick Finale (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 17, 2014 at 10:14:39 PM EST
    The animated GIF (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 17, 2014 at 10:19:16 PM EST
    at the bottom of the review perfectly captures the mood of the series.   There's hope! Oh, wait.

    Wow, that was...I guess 'despair' captures it (none / 0) (#92)
    by ruffian on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:54:57 PM EST
    several jaw dropping scenes.

    All things considered, I;ll take modern medicine, please. Gallinger's wife's treatment makes even the shock therapy on other shows seem humane.


    No kidding (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 10:52:03 PM EST
    looking forward to next seasons heroin fueled descent into dispair and darkness.

    Sort of.


    Hey Scott! Try bread flour (none / 0) (#5)
    by nycstray on Fri Oct 17, 2014 at 10:32:11 PM EST
    for your pizza crust. Higher protein might give you a crust more to your liking :)

    MO Blue (none / 0) (#6)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 17, 2014 at 11:53:29 PM EST
    I've been going thru threads from this week and catching up. I re-read Sunday's open thread and saw again that you wrote this to me:

    I get that you will go to any lengths to defend Otterness. I OTOH find the methods you have employed in your defense offensive.  You reached a real low IMO with the Davis/Otterness comparison.
    I get that you believe that no one else other than you and squeaky know anything at all about art. I get that you believe that anyone else who disagrees with your OPINION is completely lacking in knowledge and haters of all things related to art and artists. I get where you are coming from and I find it offensive and not behavior that is beneficial to the artist community as a whole.

    MO Blue, don't you see my point?? This human being made a big mistake (in your and my view) and for the rest of his life people and groups of people have been trying to destroy his career (even making death threats against him). It is just the same for W Davis and Cylvia Hayes. Different groups, different mistakes (as defined by some people). Some people consider it a moral offense that someone would kill a dog (that is how they define it) and some would consider it a moral offense that someone would either have an abortion or marry for money and to give someone a green card (that is how they define it).

    In all three cases people or groups of people hold that against the accused - forever. No allowing for the person to re-invent him/herself -- no allowing for good works that follow. It has NOTHING to do with art or anyone's opinion of art. Nor politics and anyone's political views either (in the case of Davis or Hayes).

    This site is hosted by a criminal defense lawyer who allows our comments. She has a distinct defense pov, and we are drawn to comment on her blog. Most here, no matter what political persuasion, agree with the basic precept of not overly punishing someone for a mistake (or a crime, which Otterness's was not)( tho the opinions of just what IS a "mistake" differs). Some people in OR are currently trying to denounce the governor for being engaged to Hayes because of her "mistakes", including some involvement with pot growing in the past. They forget the very many good works she has done since. She has apologized and publicly admitted her crimes. They will not let it go. The hunt goes on, and on.....and on and on.

    In the case of creating art for public spaces, everyone is allowed and actually invited to have an opinion. That is one function of public art. To disagree with someone else's opinion or to try to point out the context of the art is not trying to invalidate their opinion in any way.

    My comments to you on the subject were (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 01:08:40 AM EST
    clearly stated. But in case you need clarification, let me reiterate it one more time. That you chose to defend Otterness was never the issue. I found the methods you employed in your defense offensive. You reached a real low IMO with your Davis/Otterness comparison.

    Now you may have a need to continue to rationalize and revise your  previous comments in each and every Open Thread but I do not share that need. I clearly stated my position in my previous comments to you on Sunday and I have nothing further to say on the subject.


    My "methods" were and are to (none / 0) (#10)
    by ZtoA on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 01:34:46 AM EST
    correlate the condemnation of Otterness with the condemnation of others in the court of public opinion (on TL). I happen to personally agree with the condemnation of his youthful act. I happen to personally disagree with the condemnation of Davis's and Hayes's youthful acts. Maybe I was not clear about that. If If I was not then I'm sorry. I cannot state it more clearly. I hope you can see my point.

    I am sad that you cannot or will not understand my point that everyone deserves a second chance and a broader view of their life's works. That is not a revision, just a further clarification. However, I am not sorry for my personal POV. I am sad, however that you feel like I have a bad opinion. I have a very good opinion of your pov and always respect what you say and often agree too.

    This has been a strange conversation for me truthfully. Usually I am criticized by the 'art world powers' for being just too 'art lay-person-ish'. I am used to that by now after several large local newspaper articles on how bad it is for me to value the 'regular' person's pov. "Regular person" Ha! like brain surgeons and lawyers and plumbers are "regular". Pfft - we are all "regular".  I actually made friends with my newspaper critics here and I hope to make friends with those here who do not like what I say on TL too. Over time.  Call me a pitt bull. :)


    Segue: opinion. (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 02:19:41 AM EST
    More thoughts on protests to the Metropolitan Opera's upcoming presentation of John Adams' "The Death of Klinghoffer."  There were several replies to my comment in the previous open thread.  To be sure, the protestors are entitled to express their opinions re the Met's decision to stage this work. Amazon lists a DVD of the complete opera and the complete score. Yet, according to the news reports I've read, when protestors are asked if they have seen the opera they respond, "no."  

    headline in the Art Newspaper (none / 0) (#95)
    by ZtoA on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 10:31:49 PM EST
    is about a Jeff Koons documentary film. It has not been "monazited". I think they should just monitize it and then we could see it at some museum. The more people hate him the more I think he may be interesting. Just like Thomas Kinkade-tm.

    The latest lie about WMDs (none / 0) (#20)
    by Yman on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:12:23 AM EST
    No, the NYT probe does not support Bush's Iraq WMD claims.

    Washington Post Fact Checker:

    Anyone who claims that the New York Times story vindicates George W. Bush-era claims of Iraq WMD automatically earns Four Pinocchios.

    I guess the Post doesn't read the Times (1.00 / 2) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:37:05 AM EST
    Iraq had WMD's.

    We found 5000 that had been hid.

    We don't know when they were produced.

    We do know Iraq didn't destroy 5000 of them.

    If we are worried about ISIS using them now.

    Shouldn't we have been worried that Saddam would give/sell to terrorist groups then?


    The Post reads the NYT (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by Yman on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:53:51 AM EST
    Which is precisely how they know:

    1.  Old, pre-1991 chemical weapons were not the justification Bush and conservatives used for the war.

    2.  The Bush administration justified the war by claiming that Saddam had an active WMD program and was developing WMDs that posed a threat to the U.S.

    3.  Everyone knew the Iraq government made chemical weapons in the 80s.  Hell, the US/Reagan administration helped him make them.

    4.  Anyone trying to use the NYT article to push silly claims to the contrary is worthy of "4 Pinnochios" aka "Whoppers" aka blatant lies.

    5.  When someone has to resort to allegations in the form of "questions", they have nothing to support their claims.

    Stephen Colbert's (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by KeysDan on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 10:39:25 AM EST
    blow bag character interviews the author of the NYT article,  C.J. Chivers.  But, then what does Mr. Chivers know, he was just the investigative reporter.  Looks like some prefer Colbert's view.

    WMDs (none / 0) (#26)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:45:13 AM EST
    Amazingly we went to Iraq to keep Hussein's WMDs from falling into the hands of terrorists.

    And now the terrorists have them.

    What did the NYTimes know about the existence of these stockpiles and when did they know???

    And why did they not say something about these stockpiles earlier???


    Because the US was instrumental (none / 0) (#29)
    by Anne on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 10:03:44 AM EST
    in helping Saddam acquire them, back in the day when Saddam was our friend and we were helping him be prepared for what was perceived as a growing threat from Iran.

    And it's why there's been very little media coverage of this "find."  


    The reason is simply (1.50 / 2) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 01:49:13 PM EST
    what I have written.

    It proves that Saddam had not destroyed all of the WMD's and, in fact, had a great number that he could have sold/given to terrorists.

    This gives great justification for what Bush did. And agrees with what all the world's intelligence agencies believed.

    The media, being 95% Democrats and to the Left, doesn't want to bring that up.


    Keep trying to move those ... (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Yman on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 02:44:05 PM EST
    ... goalposts, Jim.  Bush sold the war on a premise that Saddam had an active WMD program posing a threat to the US, not  your silly spin of potentially selling old, abandoned chemical shells to terrorists.  The author of the very article you're citing makes that crystal clear.  Even the Bush administration admitted it when these munitions were being discussed back in 2006:

    But defense officials said Thursday that the weapons were not considered likely to be dangerous because of their age, which they determined to be pre-1991.
    Pentagon officials told NBC News that the munitions are the same kind of ordnance the U.S. military has been gathering in Iraq for the past several years, and "not the WMD we were looking for when we went in this time."

    Heh, heh, heh ...


    If you have workable weapons stored (1.00 / 1) (#75)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 07:52:47 PM EST
    you don't need an active program building more.

    And One More Time.

    Why weren't you worried that Saddam would give/sell these weapons to terrorists??

    That was the reason we invaded. Bush, and all the world's intelligence agencies and dozens of Demo politicians thought he had a program to build WMD's.

    Turns out he had one in the past and still had the WMD's.


    Aged, ineffective chemical shells ... (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by Yman on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 08:39:33 PM EST
    ... buried in the desert are not "workable weapons".  Did you even read the very article you cited?

    "All had been manufactured before 1991, participants said. Filthy, rusty or corroded, a large fraction of them could not be readily identified as chemical weapons at all. Some were empty, though many of them still contained potent mustard agent or residual sarin. Most could not have been used as designed, and when they ruptured dispersed the chemical agents over a limited area, according to those who collected the majority of them."

    Those old, chemical shells were aged and far from "workable".  They presented a greater danger to anyone digging them up and trying to dispose of them than anyone else.  Moreover, the Bush administration knew such weapons were there for years and never even tried to claim that this vindicated their claims about WMDs, because everyone knows they were talking about an active program threatening the US, not aging, abandoned shells buried in the desert.  Precisely the reason no one was "worried he would give/sell them to terrorists."  Which is precisely the reason that Bush, Powell and Rice were pitching false claims about active WMD programs, as opposed to old, buried shells.  Well, ... no one wasn't an armchair warrior pushing for a false reason to go to war.

    BTW - You keep saying all the world's intelligence agencies believed that he had an active WMD program, despite the fact that it's been demonstrated to be false several times.  Most people (correctly) refer to that as lying.


    There was intelligence that (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 08:38:26 AM EST
    Saddam didn't have WMDS, but it was ignored:

    Ten years on from the invasion, Iraq remains the most divisive war in recent history and the greatest intelligence failure in living memory.
    Much of the key intelligence that was used to justify the war was based on fabrication, wishful thinking and lies - and as subsequent investigations showed, it was dramatically wrong. Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction (WMD).
    But crucially, there was intelligence that proved to be right. And, as a forensic, six-month investigation we conducted for BBC Panorama has revealed, it came from two highly-placed human sources at the very top of Saddam's regime.
    Both said that Iraq had no active WMD. Both were ignored or dismissed.

    Telegraph link.


    The Senate Committeee on Intelligence ... (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 09:09:04 AM EST
    ... Report:

    The administration's statements on WMDs "did not convey the substantial disagreements that existed in the intelligence community."
    Administration officials exhibited a "higher level of certainty than the intelligence judgments themselves."
    "Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq's chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community's uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing."
    In the fall of 2002 President Bush, Vice President Cheney, then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and others were told by CIA Director George Tenet that Iraq's foreign minister--who agreed to act as a spy for the United States--had reported that Iraq had no active weapons of mass destruction program - from the CIA's Europe Division Chief, confirmed by two high level CIA officials.

    Putin/Russia rejected the WMD claims.

    France, Germany and Russia all said the evidence of WMDs was not enough to justify war and demanded more evidence and inspections.

    The IAEA - the very agency in charge of investigating Iraq's alleged nuclear program - said there was no evidence that Iraq had revived it's nuclear program.

    The Iraq Weapons Inspectors - the very agency charged with investigating claims of Iraq WMDs - "The commission has not at any time during the inspections in Iraq found evidence of the continuation or resumption of programs of weapons of mass destruction or significant quantities of proscribed items, whether from pre-1991 or later."


    This is from 2003 (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 09:39:49 AM EST

    The debate on Iraqi WMD continues. For example, Russia was not convinced by either the September 24, 2002 British dossier or the October 4, 2002 CIA report. Lacking sufficient evidence, Russia dismissed the claims as a part of a "propaganda furor."2 Specifically targeting the CIA report, Putin said, "Fears are one thing, hard facts are another." He goes on to say, "Russia does not have in its possession any trustworthy data that supports the existence of nuclear weapons or any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and we have not received any such information from our partners yet. This fact has also been supported by the information sent by the CIA to the US Congress."3 However, Putin was apprehensive about the possibility that Iraq may have WMDs and he therefore supported inspections. The Russian ambassador to London thought that the dossier was a document of concern. "It is impressive, but not always convincing."4

    French intelligence services did not come up with the same alarming assessment of Iraq and WMD as did the Britain and the United States. "According to secret agents at the DGSE, Saddam's Iraq does not represent any kind of nuclear threat at this timeIt [the French assessment] contradicts the CIA's analysis"5  French spies said that the Iraqi nuclear threat claimed by the United States was a "phony threat."



    Well let me see (2.00 / 1) (#126)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 01:12:51 PM EST
    bait and insult all you want but facts are stubborn things.

    The intelligence agencies of Britain, Germany, Russia, China, Israel, and France all agreed with this judgment. Even Hans Blix--who headed the UN team of inspectors trying to determine whether Saddam had complied with the demands of the Security Council that he dispose of the WMD he was known to have had in the past--lent further credibility to the case in a report he issued only a few months before the invasion:

    "The discovery of a number of ... chemical rocket warheads in a bunker at a storage depot 170 km southwest of Baghdad was much publicized. This was a relatively new bunker, and therefore the rockets must have been moved there in the past few years, at a time when Iraq should not have had such munitions.... They could also be the tip of a submerged iceberg. The discovery ... points to the issue of several thousands of chemical rockets that are unaccounted for."


    And this was 2002.

    We now know that Saddam had WMD's that he had not destroyed.

    We have very credible information that some WMD's were sent to Syria in the days before we invaded.

    We have no reason to believe that these weapons, no matter when produced, were not workable.

    And we have no reason to believe that Saddam would not have given/sold WMD's to terrorists if the circumstances were right.

    And that is a key point that you want to ignore.

    The phrase is abundance of caution.


    WMD from before the 1st Gulf War (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 01:40:01 PM EST
    weren't workable, and Hans Blix never gave an assessment that asserted that invasion was the solution.

    Keep trying to re-write history, perhaps you'll get some of it covered by Fox Noise or World Nur Daily......


    Hahahahahahaha ... (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 02:08:38 PM EST
    Setting aside the ridiculousness of your BS claims (i.e. "We have very credible information that some WMD's were sent to Syria in the days before we invaded.", etc. - too funny), your argument comes down to - You can't prove there wasn't an active WMD program, and you can't prove some of those old, abandoned weapons weren't useable, and you can't prove that Saddam wasn't going to give then to terrorists one day.

    Sorry, Jim.  If you're going to make the case for war, the burden is on you to prove that there is an imminent threat, not on others to prove there isn't.


    BTW - At least we disposed of your other lie - that all the world's intelligence agencies agreed that Iraq had a WMD program.


    Bush made the case and the Congress (1.50 / 2) (#150)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 07:33:20 PM EST
    approved it.

    We're now enjoying conformation of his wisdom.


    More like (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 07:35:23 PM EST
    conformation TO his wisdom.

    Jim, I have to congratulate you (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 08:41:55 PM EST
    Not your silly arguments ... they're just funny.  

    But you did manage to use the words "Bush" and "wisdom" in the same sentence.


    They were not 'workable' (5.00 / 7) (#94)
    by ruffian on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:58:10 PM EST
    You have no way of knowing their condition (2.00 / 1) (#151)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 07:34:18 PM EST
    in the 2000 time frame.

    The US government knows the degradation rate (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 06:46:33 AM EST
    of chemicals it supplied Iraq in the early 90s. These were not 'smoking gun is a mushroom could' level dangerous in 2001.

    BTW - A desperate Santorum tried ... (none / 0) (#28)
    by Yman on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 10:03:34 AM EST
    ... the same, silly claim in 2006 when talking about 500 abandoned chemical shells found buried near the Iranian border.  The result?  Apart from a good laugh for anyone with at least a double-digit IQ, even the Bush administration acknowledged the obvious - these aged, pre-1991 weapons were not what the Bush administration was talking about when trying to sell WMDs as a reason for going to war:

    But defense officials said Thursday that the weapons were not considered likely to be dangerous because of their age, which they determined to be pre-1991.

    Pentagon officials told NBC News that the munitions are the same kind of ordnance the U.S. military has been gathering in Iraq for the past several years, and "not the WMD we were looking for when we went in this time."

    Pinned??? (none / 0) (#24)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 09:37:51 AM EST
    The police officer who fatally shot an unarmed 18-year-old in a St. Louis suburb last summer has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as they struggled over his gun, The New York Times reported.

    And what did he mean by "pinned"???

     I hope investigators "pinned" him down on that word because some people leap to the conclusion that that means that Brown was inside the SUV laying on top of Wilson [who incidentally is bigger than Brown]. That's hardly the case though that's what Wilson apologists are trying to imply.

    By "pinned" he means that he couldn't get out the door because Brown was standing right in front of it keeping Wilson from opening it and getting out.

    How that instills fear in a 6-6 300 pound officer inside a vehicle with radio to call for backup should be baffling to the NYTimes especially when he had the gun and the SUV and the size and the backup and Brown didn't.

    And if he is afraid of Brown then why does he want to get out of the SUV in the first place. Why not lock the door and call for backup.

    Anyone who doubts what I say about Wilson's size relative to Brown's just go here and scroll down to see the Towering Titan towering over the Gentle Giant.

    Who was really afraid of who here???


    Pinned? (none / 0) (#65)
    by unitron on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 05:47:20 PM EST
    Or penned?

    Unless Wilson spelled out the word when giving oral testimony, we can't be sure.


    HOLY BLAZING SADDLES!! (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 03:20:34 PM EST
    Donald, where are you?  You will like this-

    Cliven Bundy Releases Unbelievably Surreal Ad With a "Black Friend"

    You really aren't going to believe this one, folks.

    "I hear you Cliven, and I believe you. A brave white man like you might be just what we need to put an end to this political correctness stuff in America today."

    "Don't sell yourself short! You're takin' a chance just bein' in my company!"

    Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy together with congressional candidate Kamau Bakari (IAP) challenge U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to come to Nevada and have the conversation about race that he claims Americans are too cowardly to have.

    You know, Cap'n, ... (none / 0) (#55)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 04:36:45 PM EST
    ... I feel like singing a work song.

    Try again, Donald (none / 0) (#57)
    by Reconstructionist on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 04:53:55 PM EST
      Diseases that not only have been studied far longer and for which we have not only treatments with much greater success rates but even vaccines kill people with some frequency.

    Diagram that sentence.

    Instead of being tigger happy with knee jerk attacks when people disagree with you, address what is written.

    It does not say vaccines kill people with some frequency. It states DISEASES... for which we have not only treatments... but even vaccines kill with some frequency.

    The grammar which you choose to attack is correct and you studiously avoided addressing the substance.


    I really don't want to re-open (5.00 / 4) (#64)
    by Zorba on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 05:27:49 PM EST
    the Great Comma War or put myself forward as any kind of Perfect Punctuation Princess, but a comma between "vaccines" and "kill" would have made the sentence much clearer.
    As it is, it is indeed open to a different interpretation than the one meant.

    I repeat (2.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Reconstructionist on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 05:52:37 PM EST
    the grammar was correct and Donald studiously avoided addressing the substance of my post which was quite clear.

      Anne's assertions that the response has been adequate because Ebola is not a new disease and it has been studied by scientists is silly and people who disagree with that are not necessarily right-wingers motivated by political considerations.

      Of course, maybe Obama is criticizing it for political reasons because he wants to help the right wing.


    Are you trying to (5.00 / 4) (#67)
    by Zorba on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 06:00:19 PM EST
    be a nit-picky, petty little Great God of Grammar, or do you want to actually communicate with people and persuade them to your side?
    Get on your high horse all you want, but if you are not communicating clearly and effectively with everyone, you will not win your war.  Correct grammar or no correct grammar.

    An interpretation... (none / 0) (#68)
    by unitron on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 06:02:19 PM EST
    ...different "from" the one meant.

    When things differ, they differ from one another.

    If you're comparing amounts of the same quality, you use "than".

    Taller than, heavier than, et cetera.


    It's the punctuation, along with a (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by Anne on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 08:03:30 PM EST
    poor choice of words.

    I'll show you.  You wrote:

    Diseases that not only have been studied far longer and for which we have not only treatments with much greater success rates but even vaccines kill people with some frequency.

    Lacking any punctuation, it is left to the reader to supply it, hence the reason people think it says that vaccines kill people with some frequency.

    I think what this is supposed to say is:

    Even diseases that have been studied far longer than Ebola, and for which we have vaccines as well as more effective treatments, still kill people with some frequency.

    Now it makes sense to pretty much anyone who reads it, and discussion can continue - assuming anyone is still interested.

    I'll take a stab at it.

    I never meant to suggest that we know all there is to know about Ebola; research and study are ongoing, all in an effort to eradicate it if possible and better treat it in the meantime.  But my point was that the West African outbreak is not the first one.  There is a body of knowledge, it has proved reliable, and so it makes no sense for people to be acting as if we know nothing about how the disease is transmitted, when people become contagious, what the incubation period is after exposure, what the risks are if exposure does not involve direct contact with body fluids known to contain the highest concentration of virus.

    No new cases should tell you something, but you don't seem to be able to integrate that into the whole picture.  


    To clarify (none / 0) (#189)
    by Reconstructionist on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 11:19:03 AM EST
      I did not and do believe anyone actually misinterpreted what I said. this is not only because it was a simple and grammatically correct sentence.

      Misunderstanding would not engender the anger and vitriol which ensued. Donald, of such professed tender sensibilities, leapt in calling it gibberish. Yet he and others were somehow able to offer "helpful" suggestions on how to improve clarity, which, lo and behold, showed full understanding of my point. The issue was not misunderstanding, it was obviously disagreement. Which is fine. I'm not so needy that I crave positive reinforcement above all else. I was merely trying to suggest the discussion might benefit from a broader view than them versus us.

      I agree that the lack of known new cases in the USA is a fact which should be weighed in determining the proper courses of action. By the same token, I also believe the many new cases in Africa and some in Europe are also things that are important to consider.

      More than anything, though, I find any argument based on the premise that we should have faith that our government and others are, let alone have  been, on top of this epidemic untenable.



    Well, yes, people did misinterpret it because (5.00 / 2) (#201)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 12:30:31 PM EST
    several people questioned your assertion that vaccines kill people with some frequency - that's what led to this ridiculous stubbornness on your part that what you presented was a simple sentence.  It was not anything of the kind.  It was only after you explained your comment that others offered suggestions as to how the misinterpretation could have been avoided.

    It wasn't misunderstanding that led to the so-called anger and vitriol, it was the petulance you exhibited when you were asked to support your assertion that vaccines kill people with some frequency.

    What I see is someone having an argument with himself, because I don't think anyone has unilaterally defended the role of this or other governments in the management of the outbreak.  I think I've been pretty clear that I thought one of the problems was that the CDC overestimated the ability of US medical facilities to deal with possible cases of Ebola; the incompetence and negligence of Texas Presbyterian bears that out.  Would what happened in Texas be repeated at all other facilities?  Let's hope not, but now we know we can't take that chance.  

    I've been equally clear that if the Texas hospital was not honest with the CDC about the Duncan case in an attempt to not have to take the blame for their missteps, it's hard to blame the CDC for an initial response that was based on a CYA story.

    I take this as a huge lesson learned, and I'm sure no one is more glad to have learned it than the CDC.  


    Get a life, dude. (none / 0) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 07:04:48 PM EST

    look (2.00 / 3) (#73)
    by Reconstructionist on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 07:38:08 PM EST
    You are the one who jum ped in with the nonsense. Don't whine like a toddler.

    You're the one who brought it here, not me. (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 09:32:47 PM EST
    And in the process, you insulted Zorba, who's one of the nicest people here. Yesterday, you insulted Anne, who one of the brighter intellects and also one of the most well-informed. Given what I've read from you thus far, compared to them you're nothing but a poseur, a 20-watt bulb squatting in a 100-watt socket.

    If you want others to respect you, then you need to accord to them the very same courtesies which you would demand for yourself. If you can't or won't keep it civil, then you'll soon find yourself being treated in kind.



    In addition (none / 0) (#185)
    by Reconstructionist on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 10:38:40 AM EST
     to the observation this very post seems to be a "do as I say not as I do" screed in terms of civility, I will repost my original post that got your and a couple of others so defensive and "outraged."

      If this wasn't in fact deadly serious, it would be amusing listening to you folks.
      Many seemed determined to  frame this as a dichotomy between panicky overreaction fomented by politically  motivated fear mongering as one alternative and the only other as passively and unquestioningly  trusting the government and scientists, and especially the government scientists, not to make any errors that can have fatal consequences.

      I guess the latter is the "smart" way to go when you start from the premise  those are the only two choices, because we all know the government and scientists have never before gotten anything wrong that resulted in preventable harms.

      You may look immediately below this post in the Thursday Night Open Thread to determine who fired the first "uncivil" or disrespectful personal volley. My post, which contained nothing more  harsh than a casual statement I would, in other contexts, be "amused" by some posts that were not even specifically identified, triggered direct personal attacks on me.

      I'm not going to whine or suggest people should not feel free to attack me if that is what they feel like doing. I probably will lose little sleep. I do find it hypocritical for people to complain about "uncivil" retorts to uncivil comments which were directly addressed to them. Of course, hypocrisy is cool with me too, I will merely point it out.


    Whatever, dude. (5.00 / 2) (#198)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 12:11:46 PM EST
    You're the one who brought up the subject of your own grammar in this open thread -- not me, not Zorba, and not Anne.

    At least four different people have now told you that what you first wrote was incoherent and open to misinterpretation, and we've even made several suggestions regarding how you could perhaps clarify your remarks and be better understood.

    One would think that someone intelligent like you would take a hint. But no -- you know better, hence the double-down. Everybody else is out of step but you.

    Personally, I find your needy ego to not be worth any more of my time and Jeralyn's bandwidth.

    Have a nice day.


    That was pretty good (none / 0) (#186)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 10:58:06 AM EST
    Obama is not at stage two on Ebola (none / 0) (#60)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 05:11:12 PM EST
    Stage one was, I'm on it!

    Stage two is, I'm angry at the governments response.  

    Gosh, wouldn't it be great if Obama was actually in government so he could do something about it rather than just sethe.

    Stage three and four coming soon.

    That's funny. Darkly. (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 05:19:59 PM EST
    and I find myself in the odd position of agreeing with you.  This?-

    "It's not tight," a visibly angry Mr. Obama said of the response, according to people briefed on the meeting.

    I get the reference.  But the last time I heard it was about a band or, .....something.
    Anyway, it is at least starting to look like he skrewed the pooch on this. As a person who doesn't blame him for inclement weather, he needs in fix it IMO.


    Adding (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 05:22:29 PM EST
    Ron Klain is not fixing it.  Again. IMO.

    My concern is that Klain is going to (none / 0) (#83)
    by Anne on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 08:18:56 PM EST
    be all about the optics and the message - which seems to substitute for actual leadership far too often.

    That being said, it is hard to deny that the media has done its usual execrable job "reporting," and rather than the public getting accurate information, it has gotten hysterical, alarmist headlines, "breaking news" that involves circling helicopters, and car chases.  And led to closing schools because of some 6-degrees- of-separation-type relationship.

    For one death and two additional infections that appear to be the result of incompetent and negligent "management" by the hospital.

    I'm not confident that Klain accomplishes much, other than to try to keep any more sh!t from hitting the political fan.  Too bad this is a medical/health problem, huh?


    Well, they needed someone to ... (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 02:48:30 PM EST
    ... manage the optics and message. The only thing virulent about Ebola in the USA has been both the media's and the political class's increasingly breathless and irresponsible take on the isolated outbreak in Dallas, which has been further echoed by a few posters here. And both the CDC and the Obama administration in Washington were clearly caught flat-footed by that.

    As you said, this is first and foremost a public health issue, and with a few hiccups I'd say that the folks at CDC have gotten a handle on it and is doing a good job. That some people felt compelled to turn it into a political crisis, by misrepresenting the nature of the problem in order to scare people, is a real shame. But as we've seen time and again, we can only ignore the politics at our peril.



    While I agree that they (5.00 / 3) (#135)
    by Zorba on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 03:23:36 PM EST
    may have needed someone as "Ebola Czar" to manage the "optics and message," I would have preferred someone with some experience in public health.
    But in a sense, it probably doesn't matter because this is way, way more of a political and media-created crisis than it is an actual public health crisis in this country.
    Wouldn't it have been interesting, though, if Obama had designated as Ebola Czar the guy he nominated for Surgeon General whom the Republicans blocked?  I would  have enjoyed the sight of Republican heads exploding all over Capitol Hill.    ;-)

    Yeah, that would've been sweet. (none / 0) (#144)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 06:08:24 PM EST
    Hopefully, Mr. Ebola Czar will distract the raving politicos and media hounds, and provide the necessary cover for the CDC that will allow the professionals at that agency to do their jobs. Because right now, the main focus of their efforts to contain the outbreak needs to be on west Africa, and not in Dallas and / or at various U.S. airports.

    I'm not that happy (none / 0) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 09:15:03 AM EST
    that the people agreeing with me are mostly the Ted Cruzs of the world.  But that is actually one of the reasons this was ill advised.  Why on top of all his other problems does it makes any sense to give them a club to beat him with.  
    That's what he did.  It was entirely predictable.

    I wouldn't be so sure, Capt. (none / 0) (#193)
    by christinep on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 11:50:47 AM EST
    A day's pushback from the usual suspect Repubs compared to a longer term, effective communication effort by a person skilled in dealing with the likes of Cruz et al ... well :)  Really, I think that the unfortunate reality about "communication" in significant scientific fields is that those who would "play gotcha" at the expense of genuine scientific professionals often appear to hype their demagogic positions to the confounded reaction of the genuine professionals in the field.

    Look. CDC, WHO, Medicins sans Frontiers, and more are not trained to be glib, they are not trained to joust with sensation-seeking "reporters."  Clearly, the top medical personnel in the field of infectious diseases were responding as best they could ... and, clearly as well, many of us were knowingly or unknowingly "played" during the fall of an intense election year.  In the atmosphere of fear, only a professional manager & communicator & one familiar with the campaign games-that-know-no-bounds could be expected to cut through the veil of fear launched by Fox & Friends (and the rest.)  

    All things considered, I think that the appointment of an expert communicator here makes a great deal of sense. People want to feel/know that the government is "in control of the situation" ... and, a professional who can synthesize the info understands that situation.  (BTW, for a feared epidemic, somebody must have done something correctly in response to the Ebola threat to date ... e.g., are there any further indications of a spreading modern-day plague in the U.S.  I don't mean to be prematurely relieved, but it does seem that the new news if good news so far.)


    There are parts of this I agree with (none / 0) (#195)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 12:03:34 PM EST

    All things considered, I think that the appointment of an expert communicator here makes a great deal of sense.

    They have specifically said that WILL NOT be his job. At least to the public.  Evidenced by the fact he was a no show on the morning shows.
    I get the reasons for appointing him.  IMO there are many others who would have worked as well in that position, DC if nothing else is full of middle management, without all the partisan baggage Klain rightly or wrongly carries.


    The laboratory worker at (5.00 / 5) (#134)
    by KeysDan on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 03:11:39 PM EST
    Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, Dallas, has tested negative for Ebola.  The lab supervisor was not sick, but voluntarily quarantined herself while on a Carnival Cruise Ship. The worker is in the final days of the 21-day incubation period. She left the tour and the Carnival cruise ship sailed on.  

    Hopefully, Ebola will soon return to the serious, but manageable, public health issue that it is. And, that the 24/7 hysteria generated by the media to produce a nation of fraidy cats in the service of hyped Nielson ratings will succumb to riveting tales of revolutionary new diets of movie stars.  The most long term damage from the Ebola irrationality will be from the election of a Republican senate.


    I have set the DVR (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 08:30:24 PM EST
    fro MTPs "Ebola Summit" tomorrow morning.  I can't sit thru it but I want to be able to check it out.  It should be classic.   No doubt the Czar will be on hade with some Fabrege' Eggs of wisdom.

    Ok (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 08:37:11 AM EST
    they seem to have done one thing right.  They are keeping him off morning shows.   Credit where it's due.

    He's (none / 0) (#82)
    by lentinel on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 08:16:42 PM EST
    just happy that there is a distraction from his idiotic foray into a so-called war with ISIS.

    ISIS is gone from the front pages.

    Thanks, Ebola.


    WW2 and the Holocaust (none / 0) (#70)
    by Politalkix on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 06:52:42 PM EST
    may have occurred because a lunatic was on drugs.

    The War on Drugs (none / 0) (#104)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 11:57:49 PM EST
    Mr. Godwin looks pleased as (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 12:15:17 AM EST

    Peter, that Wiki article (none / 0) (#108)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 06:20:55 AM EST
    led me into Internet Forums, where among other stories they define spamming, trolling, and sock puppets.  I had never heard of sock puppets, which refers to the same person arguing with themselves, with another name, in order to bolster their comment.  I'm wondering if we have any sock puppets here on TL?

    Yes. (none / 0) (#157)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 09:59:15 PM EST
    I think this could be a great TL game! (4.80 / 5) (#177)
    by Peter G on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 09:11:49 AM EST
    Name two commenters whom you think could be the same person posing as disputants, and which of them (if either) expresses that person's "real" POV, the other being the "sock puppet."
    How about:  Donald and Jim.  Jim's the real one.

    I admit it (5.00 / 8) (#179)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 09:17:58 AM EST
    I invented Uncle Chip.

    Jim and Yman. (5.00 / 2) (#183)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 09:39:42 AM EST
    Which one would you say, (5.00 / 2) (#188)
    by Peter G on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 11:06:53 AM EST
    is real (if either of them), and which the sock puppet? You omitted step two of my game.

    There is a SciFi plot (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 12:05:31 PM EST
    here someplace where a sock puppet creates a sock puppet.

    IMO... (5.00 / 1) (#199)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 12:16:49 PM EST
    ...Jim has to be a made up character because there seriously cannot be someone that devoid of thought, especially when he starts mocking with "Facts don't lie" or some version right after spewing something based on none.

    He is the quick-essential Fox viewer, at least from my point of view, and he makes a mockery of the right, especially when he insists he's not a republican after posting 5 links to Fox News.

    It's just too convenient to have someone who fits the mold so perfectly, who hates just about every comment every posted here not his own, yet comes back every single day.

    How can that be a real person ?

    I do not think he is a sock, just some liberal having a whole lot of fun with other liberals and providing the Scarface like bad guy we all probably need and certainly enjoy.  At times I thought it was Armando as he posts very infrequently and he is mostly overtly cryptic, which I assume is to create controversy that doesn't exist, much like Jim.  Who is sometimes very lucid in his argument, and at other times, just lost in space, which could mean more than one person using the handle.

    As far as actual sock puppets, that would mean there is someone constantly backing someone else on items that other disagree with.  I don't see that regularly.


    Give us a hint, please. ;) (none / 0) (#172)
    by Angel on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 08:30:27 AM EST
    Well, theoretically, (none / 0) (#187)
    by Zorba on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 11:06:09 AM EST
    Jeralyn, as site owner, should be able to check commenters' IP addresses, to see if two "different" commenters are posting from the same IP address.
    But that wouldn't work if they are using an IP anonymizer (and there are many such anonymizers available), or if they are constantly changing their IP addresses, which also isn't hard to do.
    Just roll with the flow, Angel.  If someone feels the need to create a sock-puppet, that says way more about them (and not at all positively) than it does about the rest of us.  Seems more than a bit sad to me.  Perhaps they need a more fulfilling life.

    Unless of Course... (5.00 / 2) (#200)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 12:18:40 PM EST
    ...she or Armando are in on it.

    FaultLines-AlJazeera (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 07:23:49 PM EST
    this is on at 9.
    They did an interesting show on Ferguson

    Airing Saturday, October 18, at 7 pm Eastern time/4 pm Pacific on Al Jazeera America.

    As the U.S. steps up its air campaign against the Islamic State group, Fault Lines travels 600 miles across Iraq to look at the consequences of the fight against ISIL.

    While Kurdish fighters and Shia militias battle ISIL, we find that they are facing their own accusations of human rights abuses, including ethnic cleansing.

    The attack on ISIL has created unlikely alliances. But as each group pursues its own interests, they are threatening to unravel Iraq and divide the country more than ever.

    Donald, the Huskies are looking good... (none / 0) (#78)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 08:02:22 PM EST
    but, hopefully not good enough.  How's Ana treating you now?  Big wind and rain?  I hope your valley doesn't get one of those venturi  effect wind storms.  Hope your yard doesn't wash out and your roof is ok.  Saw some big waves on TV.  Hang in bra.  :)

    What was my prediction -- 45-14, Ducks? (none / 0) (#131)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 02:22:08 PM EST
    And the final was 45-20, Ducks. My Huskies were thus six points better than I thought they'd be, but except for that hopeful first quarter, Oregon still handled them relatively easily.

    As far as Ana is concerned, we've endured a steady downpour the last 36 hours and when it finally lets up later this evening, I suspect that we'll have received somewhere around 9 to 12 inches of rain. No monsoon-like downpours and torrential microbursts, as we experienced last August with Hurricane Iselle, and the wind gusts have thankfully been minimal. But the rainfall has been consistent with no breaks, and it's been heavy.

    There are about 40 koloa (indigenous Hawaiian ducks) that have taken refuge under the large banyan tree in our commons area since yesterday morning, avoiding the streams and Kuapa Pond, which have been pretty turbulent. And our cat's been perched in the chair by the front window so she can watch what's going on outside, which seems to fascinate her. She's only left her roost to eat and use the litter box.

    Back to the Packers-Panthers game. Aloha.


    I just watched this (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 11:19:16 AM EST
    i think it would be interesting to many here.  FAULTLINES/Iraq Divided-AlJazeera America.

    Time is running out (none / 0) (#81)
    by lentinel on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 08:14:03 PM EST
    for Peter Kassig.

    Is it asking too much to suggest that our president, or somefkingbody come out and make a plea for mercy?

    "We don't negotiate" is a cruel tactic imo.

    Holiday Inn Express (none / 0) (#102)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Oct 18, 2014 at 11:26:32 PM EST
    Big Driver/Lifetime (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 12:20:50 PM EST
    i just watched this recorded last night.  I liked it a lot.  It's from a Stephen King story.  And it's vintage.  I read about it so recorded it but fully expected it to be the kind of thing that excludes Lifetime from my favorites list.
    It wasn't. It's a very interesting IMO story about the effects if brutal sexual assault.  Approached from a very King place. This quote from an unflattering review-

    This sounds suspenseful but it comes across as more stupid than crafty and more deranged than dedicated. You get hints that Tessa has had some emotional problems in the past which are now brought to the fore. She doesn't act like a rational human being as she constantly has conversations with her GPS system, as well as one of the fictional characters (Olympia Dukakis) from her series of books.

    The acting is adequate with Bello and Harris being better than average, but Dukakis and Joan Jett (who plays a bartender with problems of her own) are bad. Dowd doesn't have enough screen time to really make an impression.

    Would make most King fans interested in seeing it.  He uses all his signature tricks and tools.

    the (5.00 / 2) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 12:39:17 PM EST
    I'll check that out (none / 0) (#154)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 08:08:30 PM EST
    Does anyone know the difference (none / 0) (#127)
    by ZtoA on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 01:36:23 PM EST
    between different search engines?

    Basically they all use algorithms to try to (5.00 / 2) (#132)
    by ruffian on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 02:38:24 PM EST
    give the search results that that the searcher deems successful, based on whether the searcher clicks the link that is returned by the engine, and also how long she stays on the resulting page, and now they probably know if you actually bought something on the page, which in the current world of search is the best indicator of success. Google, Yahoo, etc all have different algorithms for doing this - they do it by essential mining their vast records of searches and resulting clicks to find the most likely outcome to present to the next searcher.

    There was criticism  a few years ago that google was promoting particular search results based on advertising dollars they were being paid, so now they try to segregate the advertising a little better. I still find it annoying that I have to skip past a page of shopping results if what I am looking for is something that might be purely informative.  But their business model is to serve 'you' up to advertisers on a silver platter.

    Yahoo seems to want to be your 'home page' for news aggregation, etc., more than Google does. I find the yahoo presentation very cluttered and messy.  

    I haven't branched out much into the lesser known engines... if there was one that is purely for information and not for shopping, I would be interested in hearing...but then they might not be around long with that business model.


    Duckduckgo.com (5.00 / 2) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 04:28:39 PM EST
    says they don't track users.  And it works pretty well.

    I was all ready for (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 05:17:14 PM EST
    the Boardwalk Empire season finale.  But it's next week.  

    Is this the last season? (none / 0) (#146)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 06:44:14 PM EST
    Things keep going the way they have been, I can't imagine they'll have enough characters left for another one.

    It is (none / 0) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 07:49:16 PM EST
    Now please explain how my current Congressman, (none / 0) (#158)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 10:03:46 PM EST
    for whom I voted, and who is running for reelection, knows my Facebook newsfeed should include his campaign materials?

    Facebook gears ads toward you based on your 'likes (none / 0) (#167)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 06:48:58 AM EST
    and even the words you use in your posts. Probably looks in your browser cache for other web sites you have visited too.  Their business model is also to serve you up to advertisers on a silver platter!

    BTW, they think they are doing you a favor (none / 0) (#168)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 06:52:01 AM EST
    steering that material your way, rather than something from some righty calendar that would annoy you even more!

    dang autocorrect - candidate, not calendar! (none / 0) (#169)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 06:52:46 AM EST
    The Pakistanization of Turkey (none / 0) (#159)
    by Politalkix on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 10:35:40 PM EST
    is in its early stages but it has surely begun.

    CNN Cruz/Crowley Ebola Discussion (none / 0) (#161)
    by Uncle Chip on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 10:47:59 PM EST
    Is there any particular reason (5.00 / 2) (#162)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 19, 2014 at 11:04:04 PM EST
    anyone should care what Ted Cruz thinks about Ebola?

    Is there?? (2.00 / 1) (#170)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 07:46:05 AM EST
    Is there any particular reason anyone should care what Ted Cruz thinks about Ebola?

    Well apparently Candy Crowley and CNN and their advertisers and those who watched the program did as afterall he is the Senator of the state in which the breakout happened and that has two of its citizens still infected and fighting for their lives.

    People care about more than your favorite soaps.

    Now go back to sleep --


    I wonder if they discussed this (5.00 / 3) (#171)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 08:25:55 AM EST
    Isolation Period ends for Family and Contacs of Ebola Patient

    This must be terrible for you.  Or not.  I guess from your point of view you can now start setting whatever unburnt hair you have on fire because the gubment released them into an unsuspecting public.


    Not to worry - we can still obsess about (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 11:44:15 AM EST
    the people who were in contact with the two nurses...including the planeload of passengers on two flights and all the people they know, and the people who know them.  In other words, everyone currently alive on this planet.

    As for Ted Cruz...I just can't even go there.  


    And from your point of view (1.33 / 3) (#190)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 11:28:21 AM EST
    I suspect that you want more travel between West Africa and the US and more infected Duncans to come here.

    Scientists (none / 0) (#173)
    by jbindc on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 08:42:23 AM EST
    discover the awkward origins of sex

    The planet's first act of sex 385 million years ago, as documented in fresh research published in Nature, wasn't a gentle affair. It involved what paleontologist John Long described in an interview as "a bone with a strange groove on it," "plates that helped locked the male organ into place like Velcro," and a strange jig that was sort of like square dancing. It wasn't poetic. It wasn't touching. It was the awkward origins of sex.

    That's a pretty funny article (5.00 / 1) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 08:48:56 AM EST
    Long, in fact, has done a lot of writing on prehistoric sex and the reproductive practices of placoderms like M. Dicki, penning memorably named books such as "Hung Like an Argentine Duck." Alternate title: "The Dawn of the Deed."

    Similarly... (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 12:58:49 PM EST
    ...Neil deGrasse Tyson has a show about the Universe in which he discusses sight using a split screen.  One one side, normal underwater video, the other side what would have been seen through the the sensors that would become the eye ball.

    It's gets clearer and brighter while he talks about the evolution of the eye.  It ends with once we went on land, our eyes deteriorated to present, stating that our eye sight is the worse it's been in x million years.

    Very bizarre and super cool.

    It would be very interesting to get something like that for all body parts, so we visualize how they went from some cosmic deformation of DNA to something that nearly all life uses, like a kidney.

    It's also very odd, that every single living thing on our planet can be traced back to the same parent lifeform.  Billions of variations, yet somehow it's all back to one line, rather than several competing lines that maybe use single or triple versions of things we have in pairs.

    How did life explode, yet not have any competitors, is the real question.  And if over billions and billions of years, there are only a handful of different life forms, plants, animals, and the microscopic stuff.  And each group, say animals, basically share the same traits, like one heart, two eyes, a brain, and a head that has the same basic layout.  If we find life elsewhere that, like ours, had to evolved over billions of years, is it going to have the same characteristics, or will they have something like 3 brains, one in each foot.


    Slado? (none / 0) (#175)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 08:57:18 AM EST
    After last week's rock em' sock em "No Sanctuary" episode, for the most part The Walking Dead fell back into second episode blues syndrome. It was fairly standard fair even when they did begin to sprinkle in breadcrumbs of the upcoming story arcs, but then the last ten minutes hit and The Walking Dead blew up into The Hills Have Eyes, the original version. This could be the most shocking ending of an episode that The Walking Dead has ever had.

    Indeed.  It was awsum.  
    Semi related question.  Have you ever seen The Mist?
    I ask because there are several Walking Dead regulars in it.  That is because Frank Darabont did it and also TWD.  I guess these people are his friends.  Anyway, seeing it now is almost like watching some lost episode of TWD.  Carroll, Andrea, and a few more.

    Spoiler!! (none / 0) (#182)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 09:30:12 AM EST
    Here is the closing scene everyone is talking about

    So non fans can have a taste.  Pun entirely intended.
    As noted in the show, zombies are no longer the scariest thing the have to worry aBout.


    Finally some good news -- (none / 0) (#194)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 11:55:22 AM EST
    The Siege of Kobani: US airdrops arms and medical supplies to Kobane, as Turkey opens border to let more Kurds join the fight against ISIS

    C-130 cargo planes dropped weapons and medical supplies in Kobane

    Airdrops intended to help 'valiant' Kurdish fighters defeat ISIS terrorists

    Comes as Turkey finally allows ethnic Kurds to help resistance in Kobane

    Iraqi peshmerga troops are now permitted to cross border and fight ISIS

    Move raises questions over whether airdrop was timed to arm new arrivals

    Southern Evangelicals: Dwindling (none / 0) (#202)
    by jbindc on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 12:50:10 PM EST
    Just when you thought it was almost over -- (none / 0) (#204)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 01:13:53 PM EST
    Ebola patient Amber Vinson's family disputes CDC story, gets a lawyer

    CDC calls nurse liar and nurse calls CDC liars.

    And everybody lawyers up.

    ScottW714-Evolution (none / 0) (#205)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 01:19:06 PM EST
    this is one of my favorite stories sorry if you have heard it-

    You my have heard me mention my older brother.  He is a former educator/administrator who has advanced degrees in education and administration, especially sports.  He was briefly my high school coach, a whole other story. The point is he is a very educated man.  Who absolutely believes every word of the Bible is literally true.  Nuff said.
    So he has this "thing" on his ear.  A sort of birthmark.  Very small and subtle.  A tiny indention at to top of his ear.  When we were growing up he called it his "strawberry seed".  
    So never thinking much about it one night I am watching some nature show, I think it was PBS and the subject is vestigial organs and body parts.  It turns out that my fundamentalist brother is carrying on the side of his head the literal proof of evolution in the form of a vestigial gill.
    His "strawberry seed".
     As soon as I heard this I took the video over to my sisters and we laughed and laughed.  Actually we are still laughing.  In the first photo in the upper left you can see the  abnormality

    Evolution 2 (none / 0) (#206)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 01:24:12 PM EST
    i forgot the best part.   Two of his three sons also have the mark of the beast?  

    Scott-X Rated Games (none / 0) (#208)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 07:37:22 PM EST
    there are some that push the envelope.  The company I worked for is responsible for the Saints Row franchise.  If you look up what fretting christian parents hate most about video games in the encyclopedia there will be a picture of Saints Row.
    If unfamiliar you should do some googling for the x rated-ish elements of the franchise.  Some are pretty funny.  As well as other things designed to freak out your parents, i.e., a sh!t cannon.
    Anyway, beyond that the reason is financial.  Making a game, a real 50-70 hour game, is a HUGE undertaking.  I worked in film for many years and thought it was the most "group effort" way to make a living on earth, I learned game making is even more so.  An article on kotaku on January said it costs about 60 million to make a a list game.  And having experienced budgeting for big projects I can tell you if they admit 60 it was closer to 100.
    Costs a lot to make a game.
    That said, if you read some of those links the industry is changing at the speed of light.  Mostly because of Mobil devices games are being delivered in different ways.  So they can be shorter and cheaper to make.   I predict Porn will find a niche.

    From Saints Row review this is the third (none / 0) (#209)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 07:55:38 PM EST
    the one I worked on.  (He even mentions my lighting)-

    A video game's first responsibility -- arguably its only responsibility -- is to show the player a good time. To say that Saints Row: The Third is a good time would be a severe understatement. Running naked around the fictional city of Steelport wiping out rival gangs with mind-controlling octopi delivered some of the most fun I've had this year. There may be a tendency to dismiss Saints Row as a Grand Theft Auto clone (it isn't) or as juvenile antics (it is) but when you just want to indulge in some mindless violence and sexual depravity, this will more than suffice.

    While definitely not up to the standards of recent games like Uncharted 3 or Rage, Saints Row 3's visuals go easy enough on the eyes. I love the neon-lit towering skyscrapers of Steelport, but down in the streets things can seem quiet and lifeless. This is an open world but I wouldn't say it's a living world. Mayhem activities ask you to destroy as much as you can before time runs out, but you may be at a loss for stuff to blow up. As you tear around town the traffic magically appears in front of your car. Granted, I only noticed that pop-up while driving.

    Saints Row: The Third allows you to play the entire campaign cooperatively online or via system link. Inviting a friend or joining a game couldn't be simpler, but playing cooperatively yields mixed results. While the nature of two players running around with rocket launchers and tanks can create comical chaos, not all of these missions seem designed for cooperative play -- visiting players may sometimes feel like a third wheel. But, happily, all progress carries over to your single-player game.

    News flash: people find sex and violence entertaining. Saints Row: The Third gives the people what they want and drops us into an open world adult theme park where we can treat ourselves to delightful acts of bloodshed and perversion. It doesn't take itself too seriously and only asks that you don't, either.

    Capt Howdy - Boardwalk Empire (none / 0) (#210)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 20, 2014 at 08:02:53 PM EST
    Wow, this season has been so great. Is it too much to hope that Nucky takes the money he invested with Margaret and runs off into the sunset with Gillian?

    BE really should have been only a 2-3 season series. If it had always been this tight it would have been one of the greats.

    Luciano: what does that make you?
    Nucky: Dumber than I knew
    Luciano: good headstone