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    Jobs numbers (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 09:14:17 AM EST
    Much weaker than expected.

    The U.S. economy added a meager 74,000 jobs in December, according to government data released Friday morning, the latest stumble in the nation's sputtering recovery from recession.

    The Labor Department also reported the unemployment rate dropped to 6.7 percent as the workforce shrunk once again -- reversing the previous month's gains. Driving the decline was the number of people who gave up looking for work, possibly deterred by a combination of cold weather, the holiday season and the expiration of long-term unemployment benefits.


    Many economists had forecast businesses would have created more than double the number of jobs as the headwinds from government spending cuts begin to fade. In fact, the Labor Department increased its estimate of job growth in October and November by 38,000 positions. But frigid temperatures last month dampened hiring in industries such as construction, which shed 16,000 jobs. Even sectors that had been engines of growth, such as health care, registered a decline in December.

    The large number of people who have been out of a job for six months or more continues to cast a shadow over the labor market. There were nearly 4 million long-term jobless in December, virtually unchanged from the previous month. They account for more than one-third of country's unemployed workers -- down from the post-recession peak but still higher than at any time in the past 60 years.

    Kudos to the Obama administration (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 11:47:04 AM EST
    They will recognize the gay marriages perfomed in Utah for federal benefit purposes, even though the state will not.

    Excellent news.

    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 244 (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Dadler on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 12:53:57 PM EST
    When you have the money they have, you automatically think everything is for sale, even little Marta. (link)

    Vol. 243
    Vol. 242

    Have a good Saturday, my peeps. Go Saints!(Cuz Candlestick deserves one more game, and if N.O. wins today and S.F. tomorrow, the NFC Championship is at The Stick.)

    The "get with the times!" plea... (none / 0) (#1)
    by kdog on Thu Jan 09, 2014 at 01:22:54 PM EST
    for leniency didn't work in this case, but I think we'll see more of it...and hopefully where judges have discretion in sentencing, they'll start heeding this plea.

    Hmmmm (none / 0) (#3)
    by squeaky on Thu Jan 09, 2014 at 02:11:37 PM EST
    Maybe as we "get with the times" we will see less mobsters controlling the MJ biz..   Seriously, his sentence was just as much about MJ as Capone's was about tax evasion.  

    And, there was leniency..  he got one year less than the minimum requested by the FED..


    I'll buy that... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Thu Jan 09, 2014 at 02:34:29 PM EST
    his crime was being associated with the mob, the sacrament was just the weapon used to get him.

    The leniency, otoh, was not very lenient.  No cage time over plants...ever, that's what I had in mind ;)


    Iraq and Al Quaeda (none / 0) (#2)
    by squeaky on Thu Jan 09, 2014 at 01:31:56 PM EST
    Very informative article on the current state of civil war in Iraq, and antidote to the MSM bedwetting that Anbar Provence has being taken over by Al Qaeda.

    Al Qaeda has taken over Anbar Province.

    No. It hasn't.

    The first challenge is defining "Al Qaeda." Since the moment that a group calling itself Al Qaeda in Iraq was established in the country, shortly after the US-led invasion that overthrew Saddam Hussein in 2003, there's been a lot of confusion about the precise nature of the connection between the Sunni jihadis fighting inside the country and the original Al Qaeda led by Osama bin Laden.

    Dan Murphy, CSM

    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 242 (none / 0) (#5)
    by Dadler on Thu Jan 09, 2014 at 03:31:21 PM EST
    Does anybody (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 09, 2014 at 08:32:19 PM EST
    else watch Mad Men? I just started watching it on Netflix and I'm finding it fascinating in a lot of ways. It's an interesting sociological study of America in the 50's and 60's. Don Draper can do anything he wants but his wife can't even wear a bikini because other men might look at her.

    Cuomo's True Colors (none / 0) (#7)
    by squeaky on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 08:26:49 AM EST
    ....Mr. Cuomo wants to give a big tax break to the wealthiest New Yorkers. His plan would reduce estate tax rates from the current 16 percent to 10 percent, and raise the state estate tax exemption from $1 million to the current federal level of $5.25 million by 2019. Those changes would deprive the state of more than $500 million in revenues a year, according to James Parrott of the Fiscal Policy Institute, a progressive think tank. .....

    ....This is undoubtedly good politics. The anti-tax, pro-business label could help his campaign for re-election, especially in conservative areas upstate and outside New York City. But his proposals, which tilt too heavily in favor of the wealthy, could mean less money for education, housing and other vital state services. ...


    Music News... (none / 0) (#9)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 10:40:25 AM EST
    Both Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks have anounced they are leaving the Allman Brothers at the end of the year.  Peekin' at the Beacon in March will be a must this year...last chance.

    I don't see how the band carries on...Haynes and Trucks guitar mastery became the heart & soul of this incarnation of the Allmans.  All things must pass...the good news is I'm sure we'll get to hear more from the Tedeschi Trucks Band and Government Mule.

    I heard the Emerson String Quartet last night. (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 11:44:55 AM EST
    A new cellist in this esteemed ensemble. Sounded terrific.

    Rock On Sister... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 11:51:20 AM EST
    Nice one.  A little respite from the long hard pre-vacay hermitude tonight on my end...my boss hit me with two tix to see Dave Mason since something came up and he can't make it.

    Just need to leave my wallet at home to avoid the lure of the venue's bar;)



    Enjoy. A New Year's bonus. (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 11:59:33 AM EST
    It's good to be known... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 12:47:30 PM EST
    as the office's resident rock-n-roll junkie.

    Well, it's not like... (none / 0) (#45)
    by unitron on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 03:53:24 PM EST
    ...they haven't had to replace guitar players before.

    Liz Cheney Discontinues Campaign (none / 0) (#10)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 11:00:08 AM EST
    "Serious health issues have recently arisen in our family, and under the circumstances, I have decided to discontinue my campaign," the eldest daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney said in a written statement.


    I haven't heard anything since this was first (none / 0) (#12)
    by Angel on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 11:21:20 AM EST
    reported; anyone know the actual situation regarding the health issue?  

    Health? (none / 0) (#14)
    by squeaky on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 11:30:26 AM EST
    She was going to lose badly and upset the GOP apple cart for her bullying into someone's territory, imo.... so "spend more time with the family" was the apt cliche to choose..

    Helps the story that her dad has been on deaths doorstep for a long time.


    I understand the situation in Wyoming. (none / 0) (#25)
    by Angel on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 12:36:08 PM EST
    However, I did read that there was some truth in her statement about the health of one or more of her children.  I'm just curious to know if anyone has read anything related to that.    

    Diabetes (none / 0) (#36)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 01:51:19 PM EST
    Thank you. The cynic in me wonders is she's using (none / 0) (#38)
    by Angel on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 01:58:10 PM EST
    this as a handy excuse or if the child's problem is truly serious.  

    Diabetes (none / 0) (#42)
    by Amiss on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 03:19:29 PM EST
    Is a PITA. When I was diagnosed, my blood sugar was 799,  I spent 2 weeks in ICU. It wreaks havoc on your whole body. In April, we discovered my shih tzu was diabetic. He has lost most of his sight. It seems with me, everything I have wrong with me is exaggerated by the disease.
    My poor wonderful baby (the shih tzu) gets insulin twice daily.
    Even though I don't agree politically, I don't wish this on anyone.

    I had a Dog That was Diabetic... (none / 0) (#44)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 03:39:56 PM EST
    ...not big deal, luckily, a pill a day and except his little fat but, a 15 lb Yorkie.  The meds were dirt cheap, like $5 a month.

    But my grandpa died from it, first he went blind, at some point my mom gave him a kidney, but he was sickly the entire time I knew him.

    As much as I hate that family, I don't wish them harm and I really empathize with anyone who has a child dealing with adult stuff.  Breaks my heart.


    JD is Serious and Life Threatening Disease (none / 0) (#46)
    by squeaky on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 03:55:51 PM EST
    And very hard to manage as well....  but had Liz had a ghost of a chance to win her race, I imagine her daughters JD would make it into the campaign to garner sympathy votes.

    The fact that Liz took a position against gay marriage, to pander to Conservative Wyoming voters, caused her sister Mary to stop speaking to her. She is a ruthless political animal, imo, not to be trusted to utter a singer word that is not scripted to gain political points.

    From the start, Cheney's campaign was a long shot. After moving to the Jackson Hole area from the north Virginia Washington D.C. suburbs in 2012, Cheney almost immediately sought to undermine well-liked three-term incumbent senator Mike Enzi. Such a move would be reckless even for someone with long-lasting ties to Wyoming. Certainly, her family has deep ties to the state, as Dick Cheney represented Wyoming for five terms before progressing to the upper echelons of Republican leadership, but Liz Cheney herself is relatively new to the area.

    Cheney's opponents were wise to this, and Enzi's supporters labeled her a carpetbagger. It didn't help matters when Cheney claimed to be a 10-year resident of the state when purchasing a fishing license two months after moving to the state. Cheney's application should have been denied, as she did not meet the minimum one-year residency requirement at the time.....

    ....A poll conducted in November found that Enzi led Cheney with a remarkable 52 point spread among likely primary voters, with Enzi taking 69 percent of the vote and Cheney only 17 percent. The same polling group found in August that Enzi was only up 40 points, signaling Cheney's rapidly descending public opinion in Wyoming.



    Clearly the apple didn't fall far from (none / 0) (#49)
    by Anne on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 07:17:29 PM EST
    that tree, eh?  What the world definitely does not need is someone to follow in the tradition of Dick Cheney...

    That being said, I don't wish diabetes on anyone.


    Cooperstown beat... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 11:09:06 AM EST
    Baseball writers are a buncha self-righteous arseholes...Mike Piazza snubbed again over mere suspicion of roiding.  So wrong, so uncool.  

    Hopefully they get their heads right next year and induct the home run king of catchers.  3000 hit club member Craig Biggio too.

    Biggio Missed by 2 Votes... (none / 0) (#34)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 01:37:56 PM EST
    ...and Bagwell will make it, eventually, but it's going to have to be a year without so much talent.

    I hate their are a finite number of votes, 10 per writer I believe, which means not everyone will get in no matter if, like Biggio, they have 3000+ hits.

    Each writer should have an up or down vote per player, and to get in, raise the current bar to 80%  which translates to 4 of 5 writers think you belong there.

    Any inductee with 3000 hits should be in first time around.


    If I was voting (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Coral Gables on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 06:33:55 PM EST
    I'd never likely vote for more than three. It's not the Hall of Everyone.

    Personally I'd have probably just voted for Bonds and Maddux this year. Ten is a damn lot of people to say belong in the Hall of Fame each year.


    10 inductees means way too many speeches (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 07:00:45 PM EST
    for the crowd broiling in the sun.

    Not if they adopt a rule that ... (none / 0) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 01:58:10 AM EST
    ... 50% of all HOF inductees must be deceased. Dead men tell no tales.



    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 243 (none / 0) (#13)
    by Dadler on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 11:29:51 AM EST
    Her coverage comes with a huge deductible and very little respect. (link)

    v. 242
    v. 241
    v. 240

    TGIF, my friends. Live it up. I have a collection of short fiction to finish. Phucking thing is gonna kill me. I have writer's block like a brick wall. So it goes. But it's a small potato complaint in this messed up world. Peace to all.

    your SF-local author Jack London, written by Earle Labor.

    So far it sounds like if he did ever have writer's block he just went and got hammered in a bar on the wrong side of the tracks and wrote about the characters he met there!

    Good luck with the bricks.


    London died at 40 from drinking (none / 0) (#24)
    by Dadler on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 12:35:44 PM EST
    Guy musta been married to the bottle. Then again, some other guys like Bukowski suck on that bottle harder than anyone and make it to a relatively old age. Who knows.

    Thanks for the good wishes. I literally have to do a minimal amount of creative work, and it is like not just puling teeth, but removing an entire jawbone. Sh*t's gotta break soon. It always does.

    Peace, my man.


    You just spoiled the ending for me! ;-) (none / 0) (#26)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 12:41:24 PM EST
    Oops (none / 0) (#29)
    by Dadler on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 12:58:25 PM EST
    I guess I forgot to take not of the present tense of your literary endeavor. So sorry.

    No worries, I knew he died early. (none / 0) (#32)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 01:10:44 PM EST
    was the cause of death.

    "The Hand of God" (none / 0) (#16)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 11:43:52 AM EST
    That picture... (none / 0) (#20)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 11:52:35 AM EST
    looks nothing like Diego Maradona.

    (j/k...it is cool)


    met him?

    I vaguely do... (none / 0) (#28)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 12:52:17 PM EST
    remember you mentioning that, but forgot the details...so do tell again.

    Kinda cool story (none / 0) (#33)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 01:30:34 PM EST
    we were on the beach in Miami 7 or 8 years ago and we saw these 4 guys playing beach volley ball, but only using their feet. No hands at all. Crazy stuff, but they were really good.

    We walked over, curious, and someone said the one guy, short, with legs like tree trunks, was Maradona, which explained why there was also a news camera guy filming him.

    One of our guys threw the ball back to him after an errant kick-shot. It was actually supposed to go to the team on the other side of the net, but you know how that is. And then we saw him in the airport the next day.

    So, fun.


    Yes... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 02:33:41 PM EST
    now I remember...those volley(fut)bol guys are sick.  

    People rarely mention (none / 0) (#63)
    by jondee on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 08:46:46 AM EST
    the other goal Maradona scored in that game against England; which was only arguably the most spectacular goal in World Cup history..

    Funny.. (none / 0) (#65)
    by jondee on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 08:52:34 AM EST
    I'm seeing a grumpy old Poseidon with a long scraggly beard..

    Nice link, jb.


    Why Pot Ain't Legal: Follow the Money (none / 0) (#22)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 12:00:12 PM EST
    WSJ Graphic: States make millions off seized drug dealer assets. Legalizing pot makes all that money disappear.

    Compared to the amount of money spent beating down the dread menace and the constantly ballyhooed claims about the enormous size of the illegal drug trade, these numbers seem more than a bit low.

    One would think... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 01:07:05 PM EST
    the potential tax revenues would dwarf the millions made off of straight-up stealing, plus the saving on drug law enfrcement...not to mention the morality & liberty arguments.

    But one thing for sure...those directly on the drug war teet will fight tooth and nail to stay on the teet.


    And... (none / 0) (#39)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 02:02:00 PM EST
    ...the cost of incarceration, not only the cash, but safety.  In states with mandatory drug sentencing they are letting out people they shouldn't be to make room for non-violent drug BS.

    I just read something about there being a pot shortage in Colorado already.  Apparently they have to keep so much on hand for the medical folks, and everyone seriously miscalculated the demand for legalized marijuana.

    Colorado is already suffering a shortage of cannabis after an estimated 100,000 people purchased the drug since legal sales to the general public began on New Year's Day.

    The three dozen shops so far licensed to sell the drug to anyone over the age of 21 have already rung up an estimated $5 million in sales between them, including $1 million on New Year's Day alone.

    +$5 million in a week, at 25%, the state just pulled in $1.25M.  Not sure if that is in addition to the regular sales tax rate or in lieu of.  But I guarantee legislators are paying attention.

    It is so odd to see news crews reporting from grow rooms.  The square reporter doing their spiel with mary jane leaves everywhere, and it's on the national news.  Strange days indeed.


    New issue... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 02:41:18 PM EST
    of Rolling Stone has a great article about these beautifully strange new days...the gist is it appears (so far) the Obama admin, to their credit, is gonna let CO and WA do their thing.  So these states have until Jan. 2017 to show the rest of the states, Congress, and the new president that the fears of the puritans and prohibitionists are unfounded.

    They also predicted several states to follow suit prior to the 2016 election.

    Still wouldn't surpise me to wake up and find this all to be a dream...the dominos are falling my man.


    Have You Seen the List... (none / 0) (#43)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 03:33:14 PM EST
    ...of requirements to keep the Fed out:
    The memo also outlines eight priorities for federal prosecutors enforcing marijuana laws. According to the guidance, DOJ will still prosecute individuals or entities to prevent:
    • the distribution of marijuana to minors;
    • revenue from the sale of marijuana from going to criminal enterprises, gangs and cartels;
    • the diversion of marijuana from states where it is legal under state law in some form to other states;
    • state-authorized marijuana activity from being used as a cover or pretext for the trafficking of other illegal drugs or other illegal activity;
    • violence and the use of firearms in the cultivation and distribution of marijuana
    • drugged driving and the exacerbation of other adverse public health consequences associated with marijuana use;
    • growing of marijuana on public lands and the attendant public safety and environmental dangers posed by marijuana production on public lands;
    • preventing marijuana possession or use on federal property.

    IOW, and imposable standard to meet.

    Funny when you consider that is basically a wish list of what the Fed has wanted to do for decades, and failed even with nearly unlimited resources.

    Colorado should fire back, when you control the above, we can talk, otherwise STFU you imbeciles and work on something useful, like getting weed off Schedule I, or holding people who lie to Congress accountable.  

    Not serious about that, but damn, they are being so ridiculously obtuse about it and that 'policy' will likely change with the next boss man.

    When will they decide to go show Colorado who's in charge, 6 months is my guess when the stormtroopers go in and raid a bunch of shops.


    The Aspen Police are trying (none / 0) (#55)
    by fishcamp on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 03:49:44 PM EST
    to figure out how to handle the open container law regarding MM.  While driving home from the dispensary they are saying the pot must be not readily accessible and the container must not have been opened.  The trouble is many dispensaries use zip-loc bags so who knows if it's been opened.  They are usually pretty cool but if stopped they don't want to see your new bag of MM in your lap.

    Well perhaps, (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Zorba on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:00:06 PM EST
    the smartest thing for the purchasers to do is throw the bag in the trunk.  At least, that's what I would do, just to avoid any possible hassles or confusion.      ;-)

    Bring your handy vacuum sealing device as well! (none / 0) (#57)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 04:50:48 PM EST
    Well (none / 0) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 01:09:30 PM EST
    that and think about how much money the pharmaceutical companies might stand to loose too.

    Not to mention (none / 0) (#37)
    by Zorba on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 01:55:04 PM EST
    the money that the private prison industry would lose, as well.

    Occupancy requirements, as it turns out, are common practice within the private prison industry. A new report by In the Public Interest, an anti-privatization group, reviewed 62 contracts for private prisons operating around the country at the local and state level. In the Public Interest found that 41 of those contracts included occupancy Occupancy requirements, as it turns out, are common practice within the private prison industry. A new report by In the Public Interest, an anti-privatization group, reviewed 62 contracts for private prisons operating around the country at the local and state level. In the Public Interest found that 41 of those contracts included occupancy requirements mandating that local or state government keep those facilities between 80 and 100 percent full. In other words, whether crime is rising or falling, the state must keep those beds full. (The report was funded by grants from the Open Society Institute and Public Welfare, according to a spokesman.)



    Details on that movie (none / 0) (#51)
    by Mikado Cat on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 06:51:50 AM EST
    I just read that the guy Obama used the FBI to track down and put in jail was released a few months ago.

    "Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 56, whose name in court files is Mark Basseley Youssef" Released from Calif halfway house end of last Sept.

    Fog of revision seems to be settling in around this guy and the movie. Anybody know of some good factual accounts related to the movie and any protests?

    What "fog of revisionism"? (none / 0) (#52)
    by Yman on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 08:28:47 AM EST
    You mean this?

    I just read that the guy Obama used the FBI to track down and put in jail was released a few months ago.

    The Wikipedia article... (none / 0) (#54)
    by unitron on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 02:45:03 PM EST
    ...on Nakoula Basseley Nakoula

    has lots of footnotes and indicates that he was already on the federal radar for at least federal bank fraud charges to which he pleaded no contest and for which he was on the probation the violations of which were what got him picked up in September of 2012.


    Who would believe that story? (1.00 / 3) (#58)
    by Mikado Cat on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 10:10:39 PM EST
    How many people in the last few decades have had probation revoked and sent back to jail for not using their real name in a low budget movie?

    He made a movie that while offensive to some, should have been no legal issue of any kind in the USA, and Obama had the FBI track him down and they threw him in jail for whatever they could find. Not in practical terms ten cents different from what Putin might do.


    He was sent back to jail ... (none / 0) (#59)
    by Yman on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 10:30:59 PM EST
    ... for four violations of the terms of his parole, like thousands of other parolees every year.

    He made a movie that while offensive to some, should have been no legal issue of any kind in the USA, and Obama had the FBI track him down and they threw him in jail for whatever they could find.

    Funny, how you claim that its not believable that he was jailed for his parole violations - a theory completely supported by the facts - while offering your own theory which is based on nothing more than fantasy.


    Kindly (none / 0) (#60)
    by Mikado Cat on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 05:49:47 AM EST
    link to your facts supporting thousands of people having parole revoked for issues like using a false name in a movie, as opposed to some ordinary criminal act.

    Oh, ... sorry (none / 0) (#62)
    by Yman on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 08:32:34 AM EST
    I thought it was your position that "People should keep up with common knowledge issues".  But since you asked, perhaps you should read my post more slowly.  My position wasn't that thousands of people had their parole revoked for "issues lieusing a false name in a movie".  My position was that, like Mr. Nakoula, thousands of parolees are sent back to jail every year for violating the terms of their parole, whatever those violations may be.

    He was sent back to jail for four violations of the terms of his parole, like thousands of other parolees every year.

    Of course, my claim is, in fact, "common knowledge," but I'm happy to take the 10 seconds it requires to provide you evidence anyway:

    From US federal courts statistics - the chart at Figure 1 shows the number of (federal) parole revocations per year.  The number ranged from 11,086 in 2002 to 16,249 in 2012.

    Anything else?

    I believe it's your turn to back up your claims with evidence, now.


    snippity, snipe snarkers... (none / 0) (#64)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 08:49:48 AM EST
    thought we were going to try and avoid this type of communication.

    Guess my tolerance for BS claims ... (none / 0) (#66)
    by Yman on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 08:58:51 AM EST
    ... is just lower than others.

    You know (none / 0) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 11:14:28 AM EST
    what I decided in these cases? I have decided to let them wallow in their ignorance. They think that Ted Cruz is a great presidential candidate and that he'll win in a landslide running against Hillary. Nothing you say is going to change their minds. If they want to be continuously lied to and fleeced by the GOP and the morons of talk radio I say let them. And if you give them facts to back up your argument, they sill won't believe them because they don't come from one of their self approved media sources.

    Probably the best policy (none / 0) (#68)
    by Yman on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 12:18:13 PM EST
    The issue I have is where they:

    1.  State their opinion as fact,
    2.  Offer no evidence (or a post from a wingnut blog) to support their allegations, and
    3.  falsely restate your position in order to knock down their own, straw argument.

    I wouldn't care if it was simply a matter of them believing their own fantasies, but these things get repeated and people who could be persuaded by actual facts can be convinced by them.  It's the same problem with talk radio, but the talk radio problem is on a much larger scale.

    But your policy is probably the better one ...


    I understand (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 01:51:34 PM EST
    but don't waste your time with the zombies. They aren't going to quit repeating the lies that they have been told. They are just going to keep repeating lies because they seem to have lost the ability to think critically about issues.

    Look no further than Jim and his insistence that gas prices are the problem. Now gas prices are going down where is he? I think it's crickets from him.


    I did my 10 min of (none / 0) (#71)
    by Mikado Cat on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 02:45:28 AM EST
    Google and found aggregate numbers of revocations, but nothing on the category of offense that triggered the revocation.

    I see it as very sad if you believe he was put in prison for any real reason other than the movie.


    Pretty hard to find ... (none / 0) (#74)
    by Yman on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 06:48:50 AM EST
    ... a category that only exists in your imagination.

    The movie is what brought him (and his parole violations) to the attention of authorities.  The multiple parole violations are what got his parole revoked, just like thousands of others every year.  I find it sad that you can't produce even the tiniest bit of evidence to support your claim.

    Not surprising in the least, ... but sad.


    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 245 (none / 0) (#61)
    by Dadler on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 07:40:10 AM EST
    He's the drill sergeant of motivational gurus. (link)

    Vol. 244
    Vol. 243

    Have a great Sunday, y'all. Go Niners! Go Chargers!

    GO BRONCOS! (none / 0) (#70)
    by christinep on Sun Jan 12, 2014 at 07:25:47 PM EST
    Since no Sunday open thread, etc.  

    So far (none / 0) (#72)
    by Mikado Cat on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 03:07:18 AM EST
    best background piece I've found is

    Fraud conviction was related to a scheme of multiple bank accounts and collection of social security payments using false names. Parole requirement was no use of computers or internet without permission, not using a false name.

    Claim is that he used a false name and uploaded the video to YouTube. As this is both common practice, and not a crime of any kind, its surprising to me people would consider putting him in jail a good use of police and FBI resources, and not some unusual if not never duplicated event.

    How little freedom of speech seems to mean to some of you when it crosses paths with the dear leader.

    Then you're not looking very hard (none / 0) (#75)
    by Yman on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 06:57:13 AM EST
    The parole violations for which he was revoked did not include using a computer or the internet without permission.

    Mark Basseley Youssef admitted to four violations, including lying to his probation officer and using bogus names.

    Dugdale said none of the violations Nakoula is accused of relate to use of the Internet, even though his probation terms specify he was not permitted to possess or use a device with access to the Internet without permission from his supervisor.

    How little actual facts and evidence mean when you wish to make up a silly story about "dear leader".


    Trying again on the link (none / 0) (#73)
    by Mikado Cat on Tue Jan 14, 2014 at 03:10:34 AM EST
    I think I forgot to hit a button, but I don't see the link, trying again. Al Jazeera piece.

    I forgot to hang the link on a text section.