Saturday College Football Open Thread

The Picks: Western Michigan +17 Competitor: Iowa, Missouri -1 (3 units) Competitor: Indiana; Michigan State +4 Competitor: Notre Dame, Wake Forest -3 Competitor: Army, Auburn +17 1/2 Competitor: LSU, Georgia Tech -7 Competitor: North Carolina, Utah State +7 Competitor: USC, Arizona State +6 1/2 Competitor: Stanford, Texas State +28 Competitor: Texas Tech, Utah +7 Competitor: BYU, Wisconsin -24 Competitor: Purdue, SMU +29 Competitor: Texas A&M, Louisiana Tech +10 Competitor: Kansas

Season ATS - 20-22-1, +1 unit.

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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 134 (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Dadler on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 09:25:31 AM EST
    And Bruins! (none / 0) (#2)
    by Dadler on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 10:33:42 AM EST
    Although they play New Mexico State this week, I believe. IOW, if they wanted to, they could probably score a hundred. What're the odds for UCLA on this game 100 to 99?

    Not a chance (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 11:50:01 AM EST
    Not UCLA. They are favored by 44. The might score 60 if they are near perfect.

    Teams that are bigger favorites this week:

    Miami (FL) -59.5 over Savannah State
    Ohio State -52 over Florida A&M
    Washington -51 over Idaho State
    Virginia -44.5 over Virginia Military

    Biggest Over/Under of the Week:

    Texas A&M vs SMU 79.5

    No Ducks this week.


    4:05 2Q: Washington 42, Idaho State 0. (none / 0) (#5)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 03:32:47 PM EST
    And had the Huskies not fumbled away the ball inside the Idaho State 5-yard line in the first quarter, it would be even worse.

    I'm a Husky alumnus and fan, but even I have to turn away from this wanton massacre of Bengals.



    Was just down by the stadium, at Univ. Village (none / 0) (#6)
    by shoephone on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 05:12:38 PM EST
    and it looked like some people had already left the game, judging by traffic on 25th NE. I'll assume they were Idaho State fans...

    Wowza. 56-0. (none / 0) (#7)
    by shoephone on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 05:55:10 PM EST
    A rout.

    And it could've been worse. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 03:58:59 AM EST
    The coaches called off the Dawgs in the third quarter, and let the subs play the rest of the way.

    Are the Big Dawgs back in town? That 38-6 rout of Boise State in the opener was no fluke. This team's looking scary good.

    The national media had better take note that there's more to the Pac-12 than USC, Oregon and Stanford. UCLA blew out New Mexico State tonight, 59-13. We've got a lot of football yet to play, but I would not be surprised to see two darkhorses square off this December for the Pac-12 title and Rose Bowl berth.



    A couple beefs (none / 0) (#11)
    by CoralGables on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 08:24:21 AM EST
    The national media is obviously paying attention. UCLA was ranked #13 in the country and Washington was at #17 going into yesterday's games. So Oregon (#2), Stanford (#5), UCLA, and Washington can't be considered dark horses.

    On the flip side, no one is paying attention to USC except maybe to watch the train wreck and make bets as to when Lane Kiffin might be fired.

    You're really not going to get excited about UCLA scoring 59 on New Mexico State are you? After 4 games NMSU is possibly the worst team in the nation, allowing 50.2 pts per game. That's more points surrendered than any other team in Division 1 football.


    Well, why not? (none / 0) (#19)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 04:28:02 PM EST
    Coral Gables: "You're really not going to get excited about UCLA scoring 59 on New Mexico State are you?"

    I mean, if the pundits and pollsters can loves themselves some Ohio State Buckeyes, who smeared the streets of Columbus with the hapless Rattlers from FCS-level Florida A&M, 76-0, then why can't I appreciate UCLA's win over New Mexico State?

    We'll see how high either Washington or UCLA can actually rise in the polls, because UCLA was No. 21 at the start of the season, and Washington was unranked. In the Huskies' stead were USC at No. 24 and Oregon State at No. 25, while Oregon and Stanford were Nos. 3 and 4, respectively.

    I'd argue that's what makes the Bruins and Huskies darkhorses, because it's not where they are on the polls' radar right now, but where they were at the starting line.

    Because of the relative level of parity in the Pac-12, coupled with the good-to-high caliber of six or seven of its teams, it wouldn't surprise at all if the eventual champion accomplished that feat with two conference losses.

    But given their starting position in August, even if the UW Huskies somehow managed to actually run the table, they really enjoy little or no chance of making the BCS championship game in January and will have a hard time ever rising above a No. 4 ranking, unless multiple teams ahead of them falter markedly or implode.

    I remember what was considered UW's greatest season ever, when the 1991 Huskies started the season ranked No. 4. Certainly fair enough, given that they were the defending conference and Rose Bowl champions and were returning most of their players that year. Expectations in Seattle were understandably high that this could be a national championship team.

    But despite going unbeaten, beating three teams in the Top Ten and dominating their opponents by an average margin of 41-8, Washington languished in place in the polls throughout the season, and even fell a notch late in November after beating USC in Los Angeles. They only climbed at the end when they whipped Michigan by three TDs in the Rose Bowl, to finish at No. 2 behind Miami.

    The 2000 Huskies went 12-1 and tied for the Pac-10 title with both Oregon State (12-1) and Oregon (11-2). They finished at No. 3. Their fellow co-champs the Beavers and Ducks also finished in the Top Ten at Nos. 5 and 9, respectively. The pollsters that year still couldn't even see fit to rank the Huskies ahead of No. 2 Miami, whom the Huskies had beaten earlier in the season. The fatal blow? Losing to eventual co-champ Oregon by 7 in Eugene, 23-16, which caused them to fall an inexplicable seven places in the polls in week 5, from No. 6 to No. 13.

    That's what a perceived lack of pedigree and marquee value can do to a team in the eyes of east coast and southern pollsters. It took Oregon years before BCS pollsters would ever consider them actually worthy of national championship contention. But if USC went 12-0 or 12-1, guess where they'd be ranked?

    As always, CG, it's great discussing these highly compelling and very important matters with you.



    But they aren't loving Ohio State (none / 0) (#20)
    by CoralGables on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 05:06:49 PM EST
    I mean, if the pundits and pollsters can loves themselves some Ohio State Buckeyes

    The Buckeyes were ranked 2nd in the preseason by both the AP and USA Today. Now at 4-0 they are ranked 4th & 3rd in those two polls. They've lost ground by winning. Ohio State has one of the weakest major conference schedules in the nation. The highest current ranked team on their schedule is Northwestern at #17. That's going to cost them down the stretch if more than two teams are still undefeated.


    Striped bass (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Zorba on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 07:28:18 PM EST
    Mr. Zorba brought home some striped bass from his fishing expedition in the Chesapeake Bay, filleted it, and prepared it simply.  I cooked some okra from our garden, and made a salad with garden tomatoes and garden lettuce to go along with it.
    Simple, but good.  Man, there is absolutely nothing like fresh-caught fish!

    Mmmm... Mr. Angel is fishing on the coast this (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Angel on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 11:18:50 AM EST
    weekend but there was a big storm with lots of rain and wind so he wasn't very successful in reeling them in yesterday. I'll find out tonight what he caught this morning as I think the weather cleared up a little bit. I'm hoping for some snapper or trout.  

    On the anniversary of my first... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Dadler on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 08:15:27 PM EST
    ...stepfather's death, I offer a re-link to the piece of short fiction I based on that SOB and what he did to me and my little brother. Catharsis is good. Hope the story is, too.


    Law professor (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Edger on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 12:35:05 PM EST
    and director of the Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University Yochai Benkler at The Guardian today...

    In secret, Fisa court contradicted US supreme court on constitutional rights

    On Tuesday, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) declassified an opinion in which it explained why the government's collection of records of all Americans' phone calls is constitutional, and that if there is a problem with the program, it is a matter of political judgment, not constitutional law. So, should Americans just keep calm and carry on phoning? Not really.

    Instead, we should worry about a court that, lacking a real adversarial process to inform it, failed while taking its best shot at explaining its position to the public to address the most basic, widely-known counter-argument to its position. The opinion does not even mention last year's unanimous US supreme court decision on the fourth amendment and GPS tracking, a decision in which all three opinions include strong language that may render the NSA's phone records collection program unconstitutional. No court that had been briefed by both sides would have ignored the grave constitutional issues raised by the three opinions of Justices Scalia, Sotomayor, and Alito in United States v Jones. And no opinion that fails to consider these should calm anyone down.


    But hey, at least obama and clapper are at odds with Scalia, Sotomayer and Alito, so that must a good thing, and it would be horrible if a republican was, eh?
    But there is no question that all three Jones opinions offer a very strong argument that the dramatically lower cost of pervasive, sustained surveillance of publicly observable data in bulk implicates the fourth amendment, and that whatever its statutory basis, this program may well violate that amendment. That the FISC opinion did not even mention Jones is as clear a sign as we have that without fundamental reform, Americans simply cannot rely on the Fisa court's lopsided process to protect our rights.

    Wait, you took the Devils... (none / 0) (#3)
    by bmaz on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 11:48:57 AM EST
    ...and the points in Palo Alto?? Hahahahahaha

    National Guard takes control in Venezuela (none / 0) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 08:39:35 AM EST

    Venezuelan Government Seizes Toilet Paper Factory

    Vice President Jorge Arreaza announced the "temporary occupation" of the Paper Manufacturing Company's plant in the state of Aragua..."People's Defense from the Economy will not allow hoarding or failures in the production and distribution of essential commodities,"

    Not sure if it's a TP war or a TP based economy.

    the Venezuelan toilet paper (none / 0) (#13)
    by fishcamp on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 09:28:15 AM EST
    is the worst.  It's thinner than that porta-potty paper at construction sites and that's thin.

    How does rhe consumer know it is (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 10:14:11 AM EST
    Venezuelan TP?

    High inflation in Venezuela (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by CoralGables on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 10:44:15 AM EST
    has prevented the affordability of TP imports thus leaving the upper class to hoard domestic when they prefer the cushier imports. There have been rumors that Mr. Whipple is behind the TP plot to overthrow Maduro, and then taking the reins leading Venezuela towards a softer, more cushiony recovery.

    A memo from His Noodley (none / 0) (#17)
    by Edger on Sun Sep 22, 2013 at 11:42:37 AM EST