Sunday Night Open Thread: More Rain

It's still raining hard here in Colorado. Latest numbers: 19,000 homes have been damaged or destroyed, 11,700 people have been evacuated and 1,200 people are unaccounted for.

It looks like Bob Dylan has joined the copyright crowd -- There are very few live performances still on You Tube. I couldn't find a good one for Shelter From the Storm, so here's one from somewhere with a nice rainy graphic of NYC and with good sound. If you move your mouse or pointer past the right border, the distracting social media links go away.

Shelter from the Storm - Hurricane Irene New York City


A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall with good video and sound, live from Fort Collins Colorado, 1976.

I'm looking forward to Breaking Bad tonight. Will Hank or Gomez survive? I'm pretty sure Walt and Jesse will, I don't think Gomez will, and Walt could go either way. I think we'll be seeing more of Todd, Lydia and Uncle Jack's team, and possibly Walt. Jr.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    There's a really important diary (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by fiver on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 07:12:00 PM EST
    over at Daily Kos about the possibility of a lot of gas/oil getting mixed in with the flood waters.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/15/1238996/-Is-there-a-media-blackout-on-the-fracking-flood-di saster-in-Colorado

    "...I came in from the wilderness... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Dadler on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 08:31:39 PM EST
    ...a creature void of form. Come in, she said, I'll give you...shelter from the storm."

    I lived on Dylan in college, knew every lyric. First time I saw him was when I was a still a teenager and he was touring with Tom Petty. My mom and I went with my geezer/conman second stepfather. He fell asleep, seriously, at a rock concert, dead asleep.  My mom disappeared to get closer to the stage, then came back an hour later smelling of pot and a few tokes happier. I meat a girl whose number I promptly lost on my way out of The Fabulous Forum, as it was known then.

    Easy come, easy go.

    My husband's brother, his wife and son (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Anne on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 08:37:14 PM EST
    live in Boulder and have spent the day trying to get ahead of the water that has flooded their basement; my sister-in-law said it was raining in sheets earlier today.

    They keep saying they are okay, but he is only a year or so out from quintuple bypass surgery and she is in need of a hernia operation...

    Just hoping the rain stops soon, but even then, the aftermath is going to present a whole new set of problems and issues.

    For anyone in the thick of it, please stay safe!

    I work in Boulder (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by sj on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 08:54:31 PM EST
    and the roof of my building was leaking all over on Thursday. I am blessed here in Denver. We got some sun over the last couple of days, and today has been mostly drizzle. I just confirmed that our office will be closed tomorrow as well. Not surprising based on what I saw last week.

    I've got myself set up to work from home, but it isn't a perfect setup for full time work.


    Stay safe, sj! (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by Zorba on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 09:44:47 PM EST
    And may everyone in the area stay safe.  
    There are so many who have been lost, and who are still in danger.
    Many positive thoughts and prayers go out to all of you.

    Thanks for your good wishes (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by sj on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 03:23:18 AM EST
    and prayers. I will add mine to yours and send them off to Boulder, Northern Colorado and, it seems, New Mexico. Some of those arroyos are deep and flash flooding would be dangerous, but luckily there isn't much built up around them. At least not where we spent our time.

    We are fine here in my neighborhood. It's soggy, but not in bad shape at all. This is not the normal sort of extreme weather common to Colorado. Usually drought is the worry. Except for winter, and then it's blizzards.


    Glad to hear you are okay, sj... (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 06:45:59 AM EST
    my brother-in-law and nephew keep trying to downplay their own situation, but I know they're doing that because they don't want the rest of the family to worry - and because they just aren't complainers and they know so many people have it so much worse.  They have a water-filled basement, but they still have a house!

    Plus, they know what people are seeing in the way of news video - and it's all more than a little scary.  B-I-L keeps assuring us that there's no rushing water surrounding their house, so we will just have to take their word for it.

    Here's hoping for a break in the weather and a return to almost-always sunny days; will keep fingers crossed the cold weather does not make an early appearance...


    I'll am also glad that you are safe (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 06:51:15 AM EST
    sj and add my prayers that those in CO an NM see relief soon,

    Ann Peebles (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by shoephone on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 08:53:28 PM EST
    The original. I Can't Stand the Rain.

    always loved this song! (none / 0) (#9)
    by DFLer on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 08:59:39 PM EST
    The same storm system.. (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by desertswine on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 09:30:57 PM EST
    has been inundating New Mexico with record breaking rains for the last week and a half or so.  The flooding has been wide spread but not as disastrous as that in Colorado. So far only one death has been attributed to the rains, but much property damage.

    The Fort Collins Dylan concert (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by christinep on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 09:36:20 PM EST
    It must be the rain...and it's memories.  In 1976, my sister & her best friend & myself went to that May 24 concert which later became known as the Hard Rain's Gonna Fall concert in the stadium at Fort Collins.  We sat in Hefty trash bags for over 5 hours laughing throughout at what-the-heck-are-we-doing.  Well, it turned out to be one of the best concerts we ever went to -- Dylan, Baez, and his birthday bash.  After awhile we didn't notice the rain, or not much.  Confession: For many years, one could easily count me among those making pilgrimage to any nearby Dylan concert.

    As luck would have it, I was standing in the rain in Denver today laughingly recalling that rainy time at the Dylan concert. It is wet here, even in near downtown Denver. When Cherry Creek looks like a bit of a raging river, it is more than wet.

    Long as I remember. (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Edger on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 10:15:28 PM EST
    The rain been comin' down
    Clouds of myst'ry pourin'
    Confusion on the ground
    Good men through the ages
    Tryin' to find the sun
    And I wonder, still I wonder
    Who'll stop the rain...

    Gap between rich and poor widens (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 06:45:36 AM EST
    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The gap in employment rates between America's highest- and lowest-income families has stretched to its widest levels since officials began tracking the data a decade ago, according to an analysis of government data conducted for The Associated Press.

    Rates of unemployment for the lowest-income families -- those earning less than $20,000 -- have topped 21 percent, nearly matching the rate for all workers during the 1930s Great Depression.

    U.S. households with income of more than $150,000 a year have an unemployment rate of 3.2 percent, a level traditionally defined as full employment. At the same time, middle-income workers are increasingly pushed into lower-wage jobs. Many of them in turn are displacing lower-skilled, low-income workers, who become unemployed or are forced to work fewer hours, the analysis shows.
    While the link between income and joblessness may seem apparent, the data are the first to establish how this factor has contributed to the erosion of the middle class, a traditional strength of the U.S. economy.
    Economists call this a "bumping down" or "crowding out" in the labor market, a domino effect that pushes out lower-income workers, pushes median income downward and contributes to income inequality. Because many mid-skill jobs are being lost to globalization and automation, recent U.S. growth in low-wage jobs has not come fast enough to absorb displaced workers at the bottom. link

    A full court press by the "masters of the universe" to depress wages here in the U.S. and eliminate domestic and safety net programs.

    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 129 (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 07:38:21 AM EST
    The company hasn't figured out that you can't sell toilet paper to C3PO, no matter how much overtime he puts in. (link)

    Volume 128
    Volume 127

    Lids off to the Seahawks for destroying the 49ers in all aspects of the game (even if Pete Carroll is a cheerleading doofus), and that stadium/echo chamber, Jaysus, it's unreal with the noise. The architect should get a place at the Hall in Canton.

    You are aware that the Guinness Book (none / 0) (#99)
    by BeDazzled on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 08:44:54 PM EST
    of World Records people were at the game last night to see if the stadium could break the record for loud, right? They did, but with the help of some group that came only with the intention of making as much noise as necessary to break the record.

    It is a very loud stadium, and a very enthusiastic fan base up here in Seattle, though.


    That seems wrong (none / 0) (#102)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 09:16:12 PM EST
    it's a professional football game, not a GBOWR event. And was everyone made aware ahead of time this as going on? I'd be p!ssed if I was there and folks were intentionally trying to damage my hearing . . .  :)

    TIME (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 10:39:04 AM EST
    Time mag hides Putin's success from U.S. voters

    Time Magazine's cover for its September 16 issue features a picture of contented-looking Russian president Vladimir Putin, complete with a black background and a damning caption that declares "America's weak and waffling, Russia's rich and resurgent."

    But Time's editors are shielding Americans from the demoralizing picture, putting a cheerful, sky-blue photo on the covers of magazines distributed in the United States.

    "It's time to pay college athletes," says the chirpy, non-political U.S. cover, which shows a ball-carrying football player with arm outstretched.


    Childish, too... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 11:03:48 AM EST
    Since your link goes to the Daily Caller (none / 0) (#40)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 11:37:21 AM EST
    I figured additional research was in order since the Daily Caller is less than honest in their reporting.

    From the Daily Caller article:

    Most often, the covers of Time magazine are uniform

    In reality, over the last 100 weeks of Time Magazine covers, the ones in Europe, Asia, and the US have not matched 56% of the time.


    Good Gravy... (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 01:23:47 PM EST
    I grabbed the DC because their cover pic comparison was the best one Google offered.

    Sorry I didn't fact check the trivial stuff that had nothing to do with my post...  


    Actually it is the post (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 02:44:40 PM EST
    The beef is only that the covers are different. The Putin story is inside all the editions making the whole thing a non-story. The only variation is the different covers which happens the majority of the time.

    For the record, next week's cover is different also.  Asia and the US have the Wall Street Bull on the cover while Europe has Angela Merkel on the cover. I eagerly await you calling it to our attention.

    It was a typical Daily Caller BS piece to suck in the ill-informed.

    As for the Daily Caller being the only one available, did you not consider just checking out the Time Magazine website? They post the covers for everyone every week.

    Time 9/16

    Time 9/23


    I Did Not... (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 03:36:54 PM EST
    ...and my point has nothing to do with any issue but the current one.

    Pretty sure it's no state secret that most global publications don't have the same cover/front page, for every country for every issue.  But one would expect a global story to include the cover in the countries of the main players involved in what is essentially was/is a global incident that had/has the making of starting a war.

    Sorry you find that offensive, but I find it offensive that TIME excludes a cover complimenting what many seem to believe is our lifelong enemy, who at this point seems to have saved the day.  I guarantee that cover would not have been about athletes had the administration not fumbled Syria and actually outmaneuvered Russia and/or Syria, or even if they had bombed the hell of Syria.

    Why would I go to TIME for a story about putting TIME in a bad light.  Is that like going to the NSA to find out what they are up to ?

    So you are fine with TIME not printing the Putin cover in the US ?  That some how doesn't aid in the ill-informed you speak so lowly of ?  I think just the opposite, we get college athletes, the rest of the world gets the truth about out fearless leaders and how they more of less failed and how our archenemy swooped in to save a country from being bombed to oblivion by us.

    FYI.  Merkel cover was only shown in Europe, so they essentially were blacked out of the Wallstreet cover the rest of the world was privy too.  Nothing even close to a comparison of the Putin cover.


    They even got a job for... (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 12:40:17 PM EST
    Tebow in Moscow...peacemaker role, Touchdown Jesus, whistleblower asylum...whats next apple pie? ;)

    Bread and Circuses... (none / 0) (#96)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 07:48:00 PM EST
    Shootout in Times Square... (5.00 / 3) (#51)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 12:50:27 PM EST
    well, not really a shoot out...crazy guy blocking traffic armed with a Metrocard vs. the NYPD.  Two cops open fire, miss the crazy guy with the deadly Metrocard (don't laugh, you can get a mean papercut from those things) and shoot two female pedestrians instead.  Thank goodness no one was killed.

    Hey Mayor Gun Control...how 'bout getting the city issue guns under control first before you worry about anybody else...whaddya say guy?  

    Only way to stop a bad guy with (none / 0) (#52)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 01:06:05 PM EST
    a finger gun is two good guys with real guns.

    Oh, wait. "Good guys with guns" shot two pedestrians. Never fear all is well with the world:

    Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly was expected to give a briefing from Bellevue Hospital where the woman hit in the knee was being treated.

    Wonder how much this debacle will cost the city.


    you forgot one minor detail (none / 0) (#58)
    by nyjets on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 01:27:49 PM EST
    The person in question put his hand in his pocket and acted like he was drawing a gun.
    I would say he bears a great deal of responsibility to what happened as well.

    Maybe that lame excuse... (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 01:33:04 PM EST
    for trigger-happiness might fly in a dark alley, but not lit up like a Christmas tree Times Square.  

    Still better than last time, when the NYPD (none / 0) (#97)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 07:56:56 PM EST
    shot nine innocent bystanders.

    Now, I realize that some of you will label me a pessimist for mentioning this.  So I'll meet you half way.  In the Empire State building incident referenced above, nine innocent bystanders were hit with only 16 police gunshots, under extreme pressure, mind you, which in a sick and twisted way actually represents damned fine [innocent bystander] shooting.


    The NYPD cannot hit their target who (5.00 / 3) (#61)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 01:51:05 PM EST
    just happened to be an emotionally disturbed man yet somehow he is responsible for not one but 2 officers shooting into an crowded area and missing their target.

    yes (2.00 / 1) (#63)
    by nyjets on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 02:04:31 PM EST
    He was the one acting crazy and he was the one who pretended to have a gun. Ultimately he is the one responsible for what happened.
    I am not absolving the cops in this situation. They might have made a bad call. However I will not automatically assume they were wrong. Especially when you consider they may have genuinely believed the guy had a gun and had literally seconds to act.

    You Don't Hvae to Assume... (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 02:15:57 PM EST
    ...they were wrong.  They missed their target and hit innocent people and the man they missed was packing the same thing nearly every 5 year old in the country has, a finger gun.

    Cops should not be shooting without confirmation of an actual weapon, period.  I am sure that is in a manual somewhere.  Then to miss and hit innocent bystanders is unacceptable when you consider that the only real danger on the streets to anyone was the police.


    Insult to injury... (5.00 / 3) (#65)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 02:22:58 PM EST
    they ended up apprehending the guy with mental issues with a taser...which begs the question, why wasn't the taser the first violent option?

    Not that I'm a fan of tasering the mentally ill, too much of that as it is, but it sure beats bullets flying in Times F*ckin' Square!


    Even if the man had a gun, (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 02:29:40 PM EST
    2 cops shooting into a crowd and hitting bystanders rather than the man would not save the day. The only thing that would have changed was the possibility that more bystanders would have been shot in the cross fire.

    Ultimately, cops are responsible for shooting into a crowd and not being able to hit their intended target.


    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 130 (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Dadler on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:27:08 AM EST
    Oh. Bummer... (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Edger on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 10:52:33 AM EST
    The most [No way! You're just a hater] discovery about the brain ever
    Yale law school professor Dan Kahan's new research paper is called "Motivated Numeracy and Enlightened Self-Government," but for me a better title is the headline on science writer Chris Mooney's piece about it in Grist:  "Science Confirms: Politics Wrecks Your Ability to Do Math."

    Kahan conducted some ingenious experiments about the impact of political passion on people's ability to think clearly.  His conclusion, in Mooney's words: partisanship "can even undermine our very basic reasoning skills.... [People] who are otherwise very good at math may totally flunk a problem that they would otherwise probably be able to solve, simply because giving the right answer goes against their political beliefs."

    In other words, say goodnight to the dream that education, journalism, scientific evidence, media literacy or reason can provide the tools and information that people need in order to make good decisions.  It turns out that in the public realm, a lack of information isn't the real problem.  The hurdle is how our minds work, no matter how smart we think we are.  We want to believe we're rational, but reason turns out to be the ex post facto way we rationalize what our emotions already want to believe.
    When there's a conflict between partisan beliefs and plain evidence, it's the beliefs that win.  The power of emotion over reason isn't a bug in our human operating systems, it's a feature.

    ACLU report on FBI surveillance (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by shoephone on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 02:02:01 PM EST
    has been released. And it's well worth the read. The Patriot Act gave government intelligence agencies all sorts of ways to abuse our constitutional rights, and even when it didn't, they abused them anyway. With help from Congress, of course.

    Pretty good live performance (none / 0) (#2)
    by Edger on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 07:52:46 PM EST
    of Dylan doing Shelter from the Storm at vimeo

    Ear busting thunder here in Seattle (none / 0) (#5)
    by shoephone on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 08:45:28 PM EST
    the past two hours. But at least we're just enduring the usual drippy, dismal rain of fall. Nothing like what folks in CO are experiencing. Pretty difficult to clean up and repair a flood zone when it starts raining.

    ... the weather turned so violent with lightning, thunder, a torrent of rain and 70 mph winds that the power in our neighborhood around Lander Hall went down for the count. And clueless 18-year-old that I was, I asked my roommate from Burien, "Does this happen very often?"

    I was watching the Seahawk-49er game tonight. It looked pretty nasty up there. Hope you have a nice day tomorrow.



    Speaking of Loud in Seattle (none / 0) (#53)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 01:14:11 PM EST
    136.6 decibels! Hawks fans break Guinness mark for loudest stadium
    Midway through the third quarter, during a goal-line stand that stopped the 49ers, the noise reached 136.6 decibels, said Bill Stewart, the sound engineer and partner at SSA Acoustics in Seattle who did the measuring. Robertson said he could feel a clipboard vibrate in his hand.

    And the measuring devices were at the south end zone -- opposite from where the goal line stand was happening under the Hawks Nest. "At that end, it must have been incredible," said Robertson.

    The previous record "...131.76 by a soccer crowd in Istanbul."

    According tot his article:

    • Pain starts at 125 dB
    • 115dB is a loud rock concert
    • 140dB is a jet engine at 100'
    • 140dB - Even short term exposure can cause permanent damage - Loudest recommended exposure WITH hearing protection

    I can believe that. (none / 0) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 03:02:09 PM EST
    I remember Seattle football crowds as the loudest I've ever heard. During last night's game, I was wondering about what the loudest dB level that was ever recorded in the old Kingdome. That place used to just rock out whenever the Seahawks were playing at home.

    And Washington Huskies football on a Saturday afternoon or evening was always an event in Seattle -- especially for us students, given that admission was just $1 and our section at Husky Stadium was directly behind the home bench, with the band plopped smack-dab in the middle of us. You could literally see the team feed off of all that ruckus, especially when the band started in with its cover of "Tequila!"

    (Sigh!) That almost makes me want to attend the Oct. 26 Homecoming Game against California. I'd love to see the newly renovated stadium (with its $250 million price tag!), which made its rousing debut three weeks ago in the Huskies' upset of Boise State.



    It's about Time (none / 0) (#6)
    by Edger on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 08:47:38 PM EST
    one dimensional (none / 0) (#10)
    by Edger on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 09:18:08 PM EST
    A review panel created by President Obama to guide reforms to US government surveillance did not discuss any changes to the National Security Agency's controversial activities at its first meeting, according to two participants.

    The panel, which met for the first time this week in the Truman Room of the White House conference center, was touted by Obama in August as a way for the government to consider readjusting its surveillance practices after hearing outsiders' concerns.

    But two attendees of the Monday meeting said the discussion was dominated by the interests of major technology firms, and the session did not address making any substantive changes to the controversial mass collection of Americans' phone data and foreigners' internet communications, which can include conversations with Americans.

    Robert Atkinson, the president of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation and an attendee, told the Guardian the he "did not hear much discussion" of changes to the bulk surveillance activities.

    "My fear is it's a simulacrum of meaningful reform," said Sascha Meinrath, a vice president of the New America Foundation, an influential Washington think tank, and the director of the Open Technology Institute, who also attended. "Its function is to bleed off pressure, without getting to the meaningful reform."

    Spencer Ackerman, The Guardian
    Obama's NSA surveillance review panel did not discuss changes, attendees say

    That was what I feared (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by sj on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 03:31:43 AM EST
    I was going to quote more from the article but it was too depressing...

    I guess we should maybe (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 04:29:31 AM EST
    give obama some credit here. When he announced on August 9 that...
    "They'll consider how we can maintain the trust of the people, how we can make sure that there absolutely is no abuse in terms of how these surveillance technologies are used."
    ...he was under a lot of pressure with the whole world ready to break out the pitchforks, probably just spoke erroneously, and said the least untruthful thing he could think of in the heat of the moment. Bleeding off pressure is a good thing, no? And on the plus side he didn't use chemical weapons to do that, did he? I mean, well, uhhmm, oh never mind...



    He didn't use chemical weapons, but (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 03:36:40 PM EST
    The saintly U.S. of A. still has about 5,600,000 pounds of the stuff stored in Colorado and Kentucky.

    As for the meetings, we already know Obama's real objective is to make us feel more comfortable with being spied upon, pried into, and generally red-squaded.


    Well, yeah (none / 0) (#87)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 04:40:10 PM EST
    But didn't obama say he was going to order those 5,600,000 pounds of - what did he call it, air freshener or something? - be turned over to the UN he's inviting in, to lead by example and show Assad and the world what a real enlightened guy he is?

    Wow. Breaking Bad was just.... (none / 0) (#15)
    by magster on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 01:52:36 AM EST

    The beginning went as I figured. (none / 0) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 02:40:31 AM EST
    I knew that Hank and Gomez would be goners. It was the rapid unraveling of Walt's personal life over the course of one afternoon, and then the violent manner in which Skyler and Walt, Jr. turned on him that somewhat surprised me, although in retrospect I suppose it was inevitable.

    I saw some criticism by fans... (none / 0) (#17)
    by magster on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 02:49:36 AM EST
    that some of the prior episodes were too slow responded to by other fans that we were being set up for a "wow" episode. That happened tonight.

    I even saw people complaining (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 12:11:26 PM EST
    because since the flash-forward scenes with Walt in the diner and at the house, they know he survives the gunfight, and it takes away the suspense. Gees. Just can't please some people. My own quibble is the cartoonishness of Jack and his gang. They are so late to the show that I did not want to see them play heavily into the final episodes.  But maybe that has a point that I just don't see yet.

    This episode was so powerful. Walk begging and trying to make deals for Hank's life, while Hank knows it is hopeless. And then clearly drawing the line of 'family', with Jesse on the other side of that line. Dude is cold.

    And the scene in the house with Walt Jr, with Skyler's line from episodes ago echoing - "who is going to protect this family from the man who protects this family?" But Walt did protect her later with his phone call trying to portray her as an unwilling accomplice. Will she take that cover?

    I try to resist predictions...like who is the ricin for? Seems an unlikely weapon against Jack/Todd and the gang. Maybe a bluff of some type? I do think Jesse is going to put his accumulated chemistry skills together to get himself out of his jam though. The 'Jesse is smarter than you think' meme has been running through the last season.


    And maybe Walt's last message to Jesse were (none / 0) (#56)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 01:26:56 PM EST
    on some level meant to convey to him not to expect Walt to save him - the final exam will not be open book.

    I had been making predictions.... (none / 0) (#60)
    by magster on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 01:38:56 PM EST
    .... only to be way off (kinda like how I am with politics). Last night was such a fun ride, I am out of the prediction business for this show. Just going to watch and enjoy.

    They are sort of cartoonish, aren't they? (none / 0) (#79)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 03:43:30 PM EST
    ruffian: "My own quibble is the cartoonishness of Jack and his gang."

    But then again, right-wing extremism isn't exactly steeped in intellectual nuance and depth, and I suspect that the overwhelming majority of gun-toting white supremacists actually are cartoonish.

    But their neo-Nazism aside, I think that Uncle Jack and Todd really are all about business and the bottom line, and the calculated decisions they make -- even the ruthless ones which lead to violence and death -- are clearly based on that premise.

    When Jack asked Walt to shake his hand and acknowledge that they were still "good" after Hank's summary execution, that was obviously important to him.

    So in that regard, Jack does have a strong ethical streak, in an "honor among thieves" type of way, and when he tells Walt that they're cool, he believes it and will keep his word. And I bet it'll be Jack who'll come to rue the day he trusted Walter White to keep his.



    thanks for that - (none / 0) (#113)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 02:52:04 PM EST
    you just made them a little less cartoonish and more interesting, if I look at it from the 'strictly business' perspective. That was an attitude Walt and Jesse were never able to adopt, for various reasons.

    Quibbles vanquished!


    Glad I could help. (none / 0) (#117)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 04:07:24 PM EST
    I was listening to a story on NPR this morning, in which this economics professor's interest was peaked by a media report that 506 people were murdered in Chicago last year, and he wanted to know what the underlying rationale might be for that lethal spike in homicides.

    What he discovered in the course of his inquisitive investigation was that a decided majority of these murders were related to drug trafficking. At the root of it was the Sinaloa Cartel's move north from Mexico to establish and then centralize its distribution capacity in Chicago, and cartel leader Carlos "El Chapo" Guzman's decision to eliminate their Windy City competitors in the process.

    Suffice to say that due to western society's insatiable appetite for illegal drugs, black market trafficking is a very lucrative, ruthless and dirty business. And if Walter White and Uncle Jack of "Breaking Bad" haven't yet conveyed that impression to us, real-life people like Carlos Guzman and the Sinaloa Cartel probably will.



    Now we'll see how they wrap this up. (none / 0) (#19)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 03:04:02 AM EST
    After the was this episode went, I have no idea what's going to happen next.

    It could have been the final episode (none / 0) (#29)
    by MKS on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 08:51:53 AM EST
    except we know Walt returns with hair months later to his abandoned house.

    That semi-comic scene of him rolling his barrel full of money across the sage was unforgettable....


    I loved the barrel turning up in the (none / 0) (#114)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 02:53:48 PM EST
    van to his new identity at the end too. I can just hear Walt's call to Saul's "guy" - "I have two bags and a barrel".

    HHS finalizes plan to cut Medicaid aid (none / 0) (#26)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 07:00:10 AM EST
    to hospitals serving those without insurance.

    Because a gridlocked Congress won't be passing a new budget anytime soon, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services finalized a rule Friday for $1.1 billion in Medicaid cuts to hospitals under the Affordable Care Act, cuts that could hit hospitals particularly hard in states that don't expand Medicaid through the law. link

    In those states that do not expand Medicaid, the poorest of the poor can anticipate getting even less care due to these cuts.

    It occurs to me (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 08:41:37 AM EST
    that IF the "law" didn't exist then the there would be no cuts to those who don't do the Feds bidding.

    It also occurs to me (5.00 / 4) (#31)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 09:40:19 AM EST
    that the Republicans are stopping the very poor from receiving Medicaid due to their refusal to expand Medicaid. It also occurs to me that the refusal to expand Medicaid while cutting the funding to hospitals serving those without insurance will have the most impact to hospitals in rural areas which are primarily Republican. Be sure to cheer on the Republicans for sticking it to their constituents.

    The only thing worse than Obamacare (a Republican insurance plan developed by the Heritage Foundation), is the Republican ideas (or lack of ideas) to replace it.  


    Are you saying that Medicaid (none / 0) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 11:55:05 AM EST
    did not exist prior to Obamacare???

    This is called "cause and effect."

    Look, I would trash the whole thing and bring in a single payer system based on Medicare paid for by national sales tax if I had my way.

    But let us not pretend that the problem is not caused by Obamacare rules. It is and the Democrats passed it.


    You and I both know that the (5.00 / 3) (#45)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 12:14:07 PM EST
    qualifications for Medicaid were extremely restricted with many of the poorest in the country unable to qualify. The poorer and the more Republican the state, the more they restricted who could qualify for Medicaid. That was the whole reason for the expansion of Medicaid as you well know.

    Yes, a single payer system based on Medicare would be by far the best way to give everyone actual health care. It should not, however, be funded by a regressive national sales tax.  

    Be sure to get back to me when the Republicans agree to go to a single payer system such as Medicare for All.


    Since you obviously have no idea ... (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 12:15:08 PM EST
    ... how the Affordable Care Act actually works, and are simply parroting GOP political talking points, it's useless to engage with you any further on the subject.

    Donald, you threatening to be quiet is (2.00 / 1) (#81)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 04:16:23 PM EST
    not believable.

    Obamacare is falling apart and yet all you can do is parrot talking points.

    MO, those are claims. Got some facts??  


    When have you ever based your (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 05:16:40 PM EST
    opinions on facts, Jim? Here are a few facts:

    Texas ranks #1 in the percent of population who are uninsured.

    1. Texas
    Share of uninsured: 26.3 percent
    Number uninsured: 5,820,793
    State population: 22,098,206

    ...Texas, which leads the nation in the portion of its population that is uninsured. A quarter of Texans have no coverage, many of them families like the Gallegos who are considered the working poor.
    Texas already has one of the nation's most restrictive Medicaid programs, offering coverage only to the disabled, children and parents who earn less than $2,256 a year for a family of three.

    If you really are interested in facts, I'm sure that you can google the information for the other states with the highest percentage of uninsured.


    Oh, please! (none / 0) (#93)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 06:00:27 PM EST
    A guy who freely traffics in misinformation and innuendo is in no position to demand facts from anyone.

    FYI, the Affordable Care Act doesn't even take full effect until after the first of the year, and the open enrollment period for health insurance exchanges doesn't even commence for another two weeks.

    Therefore, your crackpotted notion that it's somehow "falling apart" is nothing more than yet another tiresome round of right-wing hysterics. It's like laying claim to being ill by sticking your finger down your own throat to induce vomiting.

    It would be one thing if Republicans could actually propose a workable alternative to Obamacare, but they can't. Because the nasty little truth be told, when it comes down to basic concepts of sound policy development, they no longer know their a$$es from their elbows.

    Platitudes and banalities do not constitute original thought, regardless of how many variations you offer in your posts here and elswhere, and perpetual bellicosity in the face of all things Democratic are not reflective of innate intelligence.

    Good day.


    I assume this is an approved (none / 0) (#94)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 06:29:00 PM EST
    democratic party tactic, since I see it used so often.

    But I am curious. How well has this kind of vitriol worked for you in the past in drumming up support for the party and obama, Donald?

    Do you have any hard numbers showing it to be an effective win friends and influence people to your way of thinking approach, that you can maybe link to?


    Edger, when it comes to Barack Obama, ... (1.50 / 2) (#118)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 04:17:09 PM EST
    ... you and Jim are similarly motivated even if your politics are different. Your respective hatred for the man renders you guys as nothing more that the opposite sides of the same shopworn coin.

    Now, why don't you do something that's somewhat useful for a change, and start minding your own country's business?



    If Edger's (5.00 / 3) (#119)
    by sj on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 05:15:07 PM EST
    critical comments are fairly characterized as O "hatred", then your comments can be fairly characterized as O adoration.

    Your conceit that your ready access to interesting political maneuvers of the past gives you insight into the motivations of today's players is just that: conceit. It is to barf.


    It is more (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by MKS on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 01:23:15 AM EST
    akin to the Anarchists of old....

    weird... (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by sj on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 12:39:10 PM EST
    ... what is that buzzing sound...

    It's a good thing Edger lives in Canada (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by shoephone on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 06:16:29 PM EST
    or you might feel compelled to shout: "America: Love it or Leave it!"

    Actually, it would be interesing (none / 0) (#122)
    by MKS on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 01:27:48 AM EST
    if Edger would actually advocate leftist goals and solutions.....Explain how Socialized medicine in Britain is better than single payer.

    How about where there are initiatives raising the minimum wage?  

    For sheer negativity, nihilism and advocacy of Anarchy, hard to top what has been done here.


    US Exceptionalism Rears its Ugly Head (none / 0) (#124)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 10:27:34 AM EST
    Guess you forgot, Canada
    part of America...  

    Chile and Brazil (none / 0) (#127)
    by MKS on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 04:53:25 PM EST
    and others would take exception to being called part of "America" even though they are part of South America.....

    So, Donald, how do you know Edger isn't (5.00 / 3) (#125)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 11:02:21 AM EST
    "minding his own country's business?"  

    If you have been reduced to saying that Edger's comments are all about Obama-hatred, you've lost whatever argument you thought you were making.  

    But maybe you've run out of over-the-top, florid comments accompanied by you-tube videos, and don't have the wherewithal to provide any factual counter-argument.


    I'm not surprised (none / 0) (#123)
    by Edger on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 09:17:40 AM EST
    that you make no attempt to defend your childish condescension and sniping at Jim but instead just run away from and try to change the subject, Donald. I didn't really expect you to.

    It's quite obvious that you know full well that it doesn't "work" or help you at all in the sense of winning people over to supporting the party or obama, yet you persist in displaying it often regardless.

    Which does raise another question though. Since you know it doesn't "work" and doesn't help you at all what is the driving urge behind it? Is it your way of intentionally disgusting people so thoroughly that they won't want to associate with you or obama? Some kind of deep seated unacknowledged eleven dimensional obama hatred?


    Could you answer your own question? (none / 0) (#98)
    by MKS on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 07:57:35 PM EST
    It is what I would do to make (none / 0) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 09:37:25 AM EST
    All states compliant.  I live in one of the problem states.  Hospitals in Alabama receive Fed funds simply to stay open, not to provide services.  It is one of the many ways this state is so dysfunctional.  The poor already aren't served here as well as the lower middle class, but the few snobs around here can have a hospital to go to being paid for by functional blue states that actually contribute to the federal treasury.  The snobs are an enormous source of misinformation too, but they thrive on the inequality gab, they derive much of their identity from it too.  I am all for this.  No poor Alabamian is going to be any worse off, it will finally be the rich here.

    Take that you psycho Bentley, and choke on it.


    The reduction of funds may well (none / 0) (#32)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 09:58:51 AM EST
    increase the pressure from hospitals and doctors on Republicans to expand Medicaid. So far, pressure from the hospitals to expand Medicaid in MO has not resulted in our Republican controlled government changing their position on expansion.

    From what I can determine, the impact will be felt the most by rural hospitals to the point that many may be forced to drastically reduce staff or close down entirely. No hospital means no care for everyone including those who seek even limited care through the emergency rooms. Emergency rooms are where most of the extremely poor without insurance received limited care now. So I continue to think that the poor will be worse off even in Alabama.

    Big urban hospital complexes often have foundations that help to support the hospitals under their umbrella and will not feel the impact as drastically as the small urban hospitals.  


    I'm watching all this very closely (none / 0) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 10:18:39 AM EST
    There are already cuts to some hospital staffs all over.  There was a billing snafu in Medicare that allowed hospitals to bill more for the same outpatient services than private doctors could for providing the same services.

    The MBAs latched onto that immediately of course, that's what we pay them to do.  But that billing and reimbursement gap has been purged.  Hospitals who have an infrastructure built around exploiting that gap are now "hurting".  Most likely though HMOs lobbied for that BS reimbursement disparity at some point and got it but they have been driving private practice doctors out a job too.  Those cuts are already happening though.

    I don't the problem states have been exposed to this new wrinkle long enough to know how this will go.  One thing that chaps me though are all these fools around me blabbing about their outrage over the gov teat and they clueless that a huge corporate government teat welfare is being carried out right in front of their faces, the hospital right in front of them is being paid huge sums of money simply because it exists.  It's payment is not currently being based on providing services and that's why their services suck. I dare any one of these Repubs to force us into that conversation. I friggin dare them.


    I'm watching all this very closely (none / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 10:18:41 AM EST
    There are already cuts to some hospital staffs all over.  There was a billing snafu in Medicare that allowed hospitals to bill more for the same outpatient services than private doctors could for providing the same services.

    The MBAs latched onto that immediately of course, that's what we pay them to do.  But that billing and reimbursement gap has been purged.  Hospitals who have an infrastructure built around exploiting that gap are now "hurting".  Most likely though HMOs lobbied for that BS reimbursement disparity at some point and got it but they have been driving private practice doctors out a job too.  Those cuts are already happening though.

    I don't the problem states have been exposed to this new wrinkle long enough to know how this will go.  One thing that chaps me though are all these fools around me blabbing about their outrage over the gov teat and they clueless that a huge corporate government teat welfare is being carried out right in front of their faces, the hospital right in front of them is being paid huge sums of money simply because it exists.  It's payment is not currently being based on providing services and that's why their services suck. I dare any one of these Repubs to force us into that conversation. I friggin dare them.


    Mass shooting at DC Navy Yard (none / 0) (#33)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 10:06:41 AM EST
    Four people were killed and at least 10 were shot - two of the victims police officers - at the Washington, D.C. Navy Yard Monday morning by more than one gunman.

    At about 10:20 a.m., one shooter had been reported contained. However, at least one other gunman remained at large.

    One of those shot was a D.C. police officer, reported NBC News' Pete Williams. Another was a base security officer.

    The conditions of the victims are unknown, but George Washington Hospital reported that at least one victim has been transported to that hospital.

    The U.S. Navy said the shooting began at about 8:20 a.m. with three shots fired inside Building #197 at the Naval Sea Systems Command Headquarters, 1336 Isaac Hull Ave. in the Southeast section of the District. U.S. military officials say the gunman - armed with an AR-15, a military-style assault weapon - first shot the base security officer.

    Link with live video of coverage

    At least one shooter still at large.

    Story is developing.

    Anne, whoever wrote that (none / 0) (#42)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 11:58:59 AM EST
    needs to be truthful. The AR-15 is not an assault weapon anymore than a semi-automatic 22 rifle is one.

    Oh, okay, because that is the (5.00 / 5) (#43)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 12:07:46 PM EST
    important part of the story - that the media, in the midst of breaking news, mischaracterized the weapon, not that there was a shooting, that there may be more shooters still unaccounted for, that many were injured and some number of people were killed...

    [rolling eyes]


    I had the exact same (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 12:17:41 PM EST
    reaction, as you can see from the comment I posted after you did.
    I suppose some people have a skewed sense of priorities.  

    My sense of priorities says: (none / 0) (#83)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 04:18:49 PM EST
    1. We have a problem.

    2. Writing incorrect information regarding the problem only complicates things.

    It is obvious that the writer is using this tragedy to push a political agenda,

    AR-15 (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 04:24:50 PM EST
    The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as an assault rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. After modifications (Most notably: the charging handle was re-located from under the carrying handle like AR-10 to the rear of the receiver), the new redesigned rifle was subsequently adopted as the M16 Rifle.

    You're absolutely right (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 04:39:29 PM EST
    Writing incorrect information regarding the problem only complicates things.

    So maybe if you stopped writing incorrect information, you'd stop "complicating things".


    That's your (5.00 / 5) (#47)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 12:15:14 PM EST
    take-away from this news????  People are dead, wounded, the entire area is on lockdown, and you're carping about the characterization of the weapon used????
    Give me a frigging break.

    My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims, and the mourning and worried families, friends and co-workers.


    Just When I Think... (5.00 / 8) (#49)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 12:24:40 PM EST
    ...you can't get any **er, you prove me wrong.

    What do you think AR stands for, Assault Rifle, and it's basically the legalized version of the military's M16.

    Is this where the right is headed, calling assault rifles .22's ?  Why stop there, just say he gunned down and killed folks with a peashooter and spit balls.

    People were killed and injured today Jim by a man with an assault rifle.


    I believe his response... (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 01:17:58 PM EST
    ...to you would be, no, AR merely stands for "A Rifle."

    No Scott, it is not an automatic weapon. (1.00 / 1) (#85)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 04:26:57 PM EST
    It is a semi-automatic weapon designed to be a semi-automatic weapon.

    BTW - Are all cars designated "LS" luxury sedans?

    BTW - A 22 long hollow point is far far away from being a "pea shooter."


    Yes - it IS an assault weapon (5.00 / 4) (#88)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 04:50:34 PM EST
    Simply trying to conflate two different terms ("assault weapon" and "assault rifle") isn't going to work, Jim.  Assault rifles are fully automatic.  Assault weapons are not.  An AR-15 is an assault weapon.

    BTW - A 5.56 mm assault weapon is a "far far away from being" (sic) a semiautomatic .22.


    Just a pea shooter (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 05:00:55 PM EST
    Spetmber 13, 2013
    A new belt-fed AR-15 military-style assault rifle can fire rounds as fast as fully-automatic machine guns -- and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) says that a legal loophole means that the gun is perfectly legal in the United States.

    CNN reported this week that Texas-based Slide Fire's new SFS BFR semiautomatic rifle would be available this fall for $6,000. The weapon can potentially hold thousands of round of ammunition because it is fed by a belt instead of a traditional magazine.

    And according to Shooting Times, the company's special stock uses the rifle's recoil to trigger the next round, resulting in a possible fire rate of 800 rounds per minute.

    "It sprays like a fire hose," Slide Fire sales and marketing manager Brandon Renner told CNN.

    Doesn't matter (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 05:16:30 PM EST
    The ability to spray dozens/hundreds/thousands of rounds over an area is my God-given right!  Banning high-capacity magazines and assault weapons designed to "hose down" areas with a large volume of fire will not save lives!  These gunmen would just switch to to ____ (bombs/knives/.22s/peashooters/blunt objects)!  They're basically the same thing!

    (snark over)


    Chemical assault weapons (none / 0) (#92)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 05:42:08 PM EST
    are the only way to go, I think.

    Why fart around? Well, because with assault rifles somebody could get hurt with all that lead flying around.


    Wrong Jim (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:54:27 AM EST
    At least according to the Manufacturer, which calls it a military style weapon for the public.

    The AWB included the AR-15, so the Fed also considers it an assault rifle.

    A weapon does not have to be automatic to be considered an assault rifle/weapon, ditto for pistols and shotguns.

    You know that ongoing debate about banning assault rifles/weapons, that is about guns that are currently legal, and as you may remember, they banned automatic weapons when you were in high-school.


    This PSA put out by the city of Houston (none / 0) (#82)
    by caseyOR on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 04:16:23 PM EST
    is pretty frikken' chilling. It is an instructional video on how to survive should a shooter attack your workplace. It was produced with money from the Dept. of Homeland Security.

    Watch and learn. The key points to survival are "Run, Hide, Fight."

    This is eerily similar to the "duck and cover" drills we had when I was in grade school. When will we start showing these "Run, Hide, Fight" drills at elementary schools across land?

    Back in the day, if a bomb came at us it was going to come from one source, the USSR, and we had a warning system in place. A modern day shooter could be anyone. Anyone who can strike without any warning.

    h/t to Digby for the link to this video.


    They're being completely truthful (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 03:08:18 PM EST
    ... and accurate.

    As it relates to gun laws, the term "assault weapon" refers to a semi-automatic firearm that shares certain features with military firearms.  Like the NRA - who also hates the use of the term "assault weapon" - you're conflating it with assault rifle, which is a rifle with selective fire.  The AR-15 is an assault weapon and was specifically named in the AWB of 1994.


    At least a dozen people are dead in this latest episode of "America's Shooting Gallery." Why don't you focus on that tragic aspect of this story, rather than gripe about some reporter's passing description of the weaponry used to dispatch them?

    Deaths at the Navy Yard up to 13. This (none / 0) (#76)
    by caseyOR on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 03:26:46 PM EST
    number includes one of the gunmen. Another shooter is still at large. The U.S. Senate has closed down while police search for the second gunman.

    Schools are in lockdown. The Nationals have postponed today's game.

    The dead gunman was 34 year old Aaron Alexis from Texas. He was a former avionics expert with the Navy.

    This is updated info CBS News just reported.


    NFL (none / 0) (#34)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 10:13:56 AM EST
    What a glorious weekend, with the toppling last night of the mighty.

    The Saints and Texans game were damn good.  I didn't see the Bears game, but it wounded like a real shootout, too bad the wrong team won.

    Is it just me or are they not calling obvious pass interference calls while calling way too many 'unsportsmanlike' penalties.  They need a version that isn't 15 yds.  And while I like the new rules in regards to hitting above the shoulder pads, I don't see any difference in it being applied than last year.

    I agree... (none / 0) (#57)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 01:27:10 PM EST
    on the need for a lesser penalty than unsportmanlike for the incidental illegal hits...make those a 5 yarder or something.

    Which team is better right now? (none / 0) (#62)
    by magster on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 02:01:29 PM EST
    Denver or Seattle?

    Green Bay... (none / 0) (#66)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 02:25:55 PM EST
    ...next question.

    Well, The Pack certainly looked good ... (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 03:04:17 PM EST
    ... in dispatching the Washington Ethnic Slurs yesterday.

    Key word... (none / 0) (#75)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 03:16:06 PM EST
    "Washington Ethnic Slurs"...their defense made the Eagles look like world-beaters too.  

    Mr. Wolf had some advice for the Packers, and all the teams that aren't 0-2 for that matter..."Lets not start sucking each other's d*cks quite yet."  


    ... Washington's NFL team by its longstanding nickname. I mean, would we have long tolerated and even indulged a major league team and its fan base that insisted on calling themselves the Chicago Polacks, Milwaukee Krauts, L.A. Spics or Baltimore Black Sambos, based upon some warped sense of local tradition? I don't think so.

    There is absolutely nothing that is ennobling about Washington's NFL nickname. Rather, it is a crude anachronism from the early 20th century, and as bald an affront to Native Americans as they come. And it's long past time we acknowledged that, and insisted that it be changed, "tradition" be damned.



    I Think I am Going with the... (none / 0) (#109)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 10:11:46 AM EST
    ...Washington Negroes, no explanation required.

    My eyes exploded..... (none / 0) (#68)
    by magster on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 02:43:34 PM EST
    before they could roll out of their sockets.

    Football on your phone is averaging 45 points this season, while discount double check lost to the team that scored all of 3 points last night.


    You mean Denver.... (none / 0) (#70)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 02:52:41 PM EST
    ...or that stadium the Seahawks play in. ;-)

    Finally! (none / 0) (#37)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 10:23:28 AM EST
    "They finally invented a computer as smart as a person. It blames all its mistakes on another computer."

    -- Sunshine Coast Coffee News, September 18, 2013, just slightly ahead of our time

    Will Walt go out in a blaze of glory? (none / 0) (#95)
    by AmericanPsycho on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 07:12:46 PM EST
    The M60 in the trunk..
    Watching Scarface with junior..
    Ricin as a suicide pill?

    I'm cooling off on the idea of the ricin (none / 0) (#115)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 02:56:48 PM EST
    as a suicide pill. Seems too slow for Walt. Can't wait to see what he is using it for though. I am wondering if it is the last remaining bit of evidence against him in the house.

    Cuz he could have made more ricin anytime (none / 0) (#116)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 02:57:42 PM EST
    if he wanted it. Why get that particular ricin?

    Jeralyn (none / 0) (#100)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 09:01:30 PM EST
    Your girl Snooki is on DWTS this season. I only saw the end so can't comment on too many of them but Snooki was better than I expected, and Valerie Harper at 74 years old was a pleasure to watch dance.

    Remember, no spoilers :) (none / 0) (#101)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 09:07:57 PM EST
    some of us get it after J.

    Round 1 (none / 0) (#103)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 09:37:56 PM EST
    nothing to spoil. Kind of disappointed I forgot about it until 15 minutes left. Look forward to you on the left coast letting me know who did well.

    Just a general reminder (none / 0) (#112)
    by nycstray on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 02:32:29 PM EST
    for the season :) Should be interesting as to how the eliminations go this year . . .

    You can stream the show on ABC, I think, if you want to see it before next week. Pretty decent level of dancing, but there are also more dancers with a dance background . . . .


    Oh my gosh (none / 0) (#104)
    by sj on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 10:10:25 PM EST
    I completely forgot about it. I'm pretty sure my DVR did not, however, so I'm going to watch it now. I love Valerie Harper even more now than I did as a kid. She always made me laugh. But her attitude and frame of mind now knocks my socks off.

    Well, I guees that ... (none / 0) (#105)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 16, 2013 at 10:59:33 PM EST
    ... her 15 minutes aren't quite up yet.



    These days, with social media, etc... (none / 0) (#106)
    by Dadler on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:20:37 AM EST
    ...those 15 minutes are, sigh, extending and extending and extending. Hell, the Snookster probably has her own network online.