DzhokharTsarnaev's Injuries

A few documents were unsealed in the Dzhokhar Tsarnaev case, including the transcript of his advisement at the hospital two days after his capture. The trauma surgeon attending to him told the judge:

He has multiple gunshot wounds, the most severe of which appears to have entered through the left side inside of his mouth and exited the left face, lower 18 face. This was a high-powered injury that has resulted in 19 skull-base fracture, with injuries to the middle ear, the skull base, the lateral portion of his C1 vertebrae, with a 21 significant soft-tissue injury, as well as injury to the pharynx, the mouth, and a small vascular injury that's been treated. He has, in addition to this, some ophthalmologic injuries that have been treated.

He has multiple gunshots wounds to the extremities that have been treated with dressings to the lower extremities; and in the case of his left hand, he had multiple bony injuries as well that were treated with fixation and soft-tissue coverage, as well as tendon repair and vascular ligation.

He was questioned for two days before this hearing, without being advised of his right to counsel. He was also being administered Diluadid, a potent pain killer, every three hours.

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    Better to be On Dilaudid... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 11:13:49 AM EST
    ...then not, if you are injured.  The other option is not questioning him and in this day and age that simply is not an option.

    Not sure I agree or not, that is a call that can only be validated after the fact, as in were their other bombs planted.  In this case they made the wrong call, but pretty hard to fault them.  In this one instance.

    Just too bad all that data collection failed the government from keeping us safe.  Seems like we could get the same result without being watched...

    FYI, Dilaudid, aka Hospitol Heroin, is the coup de gras for Drugstore Cowboys.

    Sorry about this, but the last open thread was Friday and I wanted to mention that I am headed to Turkey until Labor Day.

    Landing in Istanbul and working our way down the Mediterranean Coast to Antalya & Adrasan.  I love to hike and the Lycian Way is suppose to be some of the best in the world, and if I can garner up the courage to venture to places where the surface is not in eye shot, some cave diving is on the menu.

    I need to seriously unwind, work has been hell lately.

    OT, but that sounds like the perfect getaway to me (none / 0) (#4)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 11:24:19 AM EST

    Just don't leave a hat on the bed (none / 0) (#6)
    by Dadler on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 11:34:46 AM EST
    Great movie, Drugstore Cowboy is, with a great little appearance by William Burroughs.

    Have a great time in Turkey. I prefer chickken, but that's just me.

    Get brave, mi amigo.


    Aww... (none / 0) (#11)
    by desertswine on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 05:03:10 PM EST
    You beat me to it, I'd love to go to Turkey.  Have a great time.

    What is wrong with him being questioned (none / 0) (#1)
    by ding7777 on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 10:02:38 AM EST
    to find out if there was a network of bombers or if he and his brothers acted alone?

    And wouldn't self-incriminating statements be inadmissible if he was not advised of counsel?

    I can't answer about right or "wrong," (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Peter G on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 11:44:28 AM EST
    but it is not illegal, according to the Supreme Court (which realistically is what matters), for police and/or prosecutors to delay a person's arraignment after arrest for up to 48 hours, nor to question him -- even without Miranda warnings -- if his answers are not used against him in court proceedings.

    Unless that gunshot wound to the mouth.... (none / 0) (#2)
    by magster on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 10:13:19 AM EST
    ... was an aborted suicide attempt, can you imagine the odds of getting shot in the face by a police sharpshooter and surviving?

    IMBW but I thought it was confirmed no gun was (none / 0) (#10)
    by gbrbsb on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 03:32:17 PM EST
    found on him with which he could have shot himself with, in which case either the bullet went through his open mouth otherwise the only other possibility is the... I am sure you are able to fill in the gaps.

    yes he had no gun (none / 0) (#16)
    by thetruth07 on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 10:45:22 PM EST
    he was UNARMED!!

    Police sharpshooter? (none / 0) (#12)
    by JayBat on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 08:49:12 PM EST
    In any but the most controlled, planned circumstances (this was not one of those), the phrase "police sharpshooter" is an oxymoron.

    How useful would his answers be if he was (none / 0) (#5)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 11:28:20 AM EST
    that drugged up? I've never been on anything near that strong, so I really have no idea. Seems questionable whether he would even be in a fit state to acknowledge receiving a Miranda warning.

    I really hope it was not anything he said in this time that led the authorities to the home of his (or his brother's?) friend in Orlando. The friend that got shot by the FBI, that is.

    Pretty Sure... (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 11:56:27 AM EST
    ...anything the cops get from someone they medicated isn't admissible in court, but I am not a lawyer and there doesn't seem to actually be any enforceable rules/rights/laws in terrorism cases.

    That's not the law/rule, Scott (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by Peter G on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 12:41:58 PM EST
    Statements are inadmissible if they are "involuntary."  The effect of medication is relevant to a judge's determination (and/or a jury's, by the way - the defendant gets to raise this issue twice, if s/he goes to trial) whether a statement was "voluntary" and therefore admissible against him/her.  But the formula created by the Supreme Court is "all the facts and circumstances"; there is no mechanical rule.

    when was the gunshot wound inside the mouth? (none / 0) (#13)
    by cate999 on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 07:36:55 AM EST
    The injuries described in the trauma surgeon's testimony do not seem to be apparent in this photo taken when the accused climbed out of the boat.

    As he did not have a gun on him I suppose that means he was shot inside the mouth after these photos were taken. Does that happen in the US before or after you are read your miranda rights?

    In this photo, the left side of his face.. (none / 0) (#14)
    by Dadler on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 04:23:08 PM EST
    ...is in shadow. This is the side where the bullet supposedly entered and exited, and any possible gunshot entry/exits wounds are obscured.

    dont forget he was UNARMED (none / 0) (#15)
    by thetruth07 on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 10:43:58 PM EST
    first police said he attempted suicide then they said he was UNARMED but these reports clear he was UNARMED and shot by police