Wednesday Night Open Thread

Rod Stewart is back with a new album. I loved watching him sing this song on Jimmy Kimmel Live the other night. Click on the full view button. Starting around 1:20, you can see how happy he is to be singing his own songs again. He also seems to be in great shape. Maybe it's his 8 kids, ages 2 to 50, that keeps him so enthused about life. Whatever it is, it's fun to watch and the song is very catchy.

Two cases I'm not following: Jodi Arias and the released Cleveland women. If you are, feel free to comment.

What to watch tonight: Slim pickings, but it will be The Voice, Survivor and Nashville. American Idol is so boring.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Jeralyn, you'll never guess what just ... (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 08, 2013 at 09:46:13 PM EST
    ... happened right after you told me to repost that comment for being too "biblical" (literally!). A helicopter crashed just outside our office building!

    We ran down to see -- naturally -- and thankfully, the two people inside the craft were apparently unharmed, so there's just a pile of wreckage covered by foam (sprayed by firemen to prevent a fire, obviously) surrounded by a lot of police and fire personnel in the middle of the Street.

    My partner and I both heard the copter as it sputtered and spiraled down just out of sight around the corner from our window, and we said simultaneously to one another, "That doesn't sound good at all." Then the craft hit with a very loud thud on top of a parked car, but fortunately nobody on the ground got hurt.

    And even more fortunate, right across the street from the crash is the downtown fire station, so rescuers were on site to pull the two passengers out in a matter of seconds. How lucky is that!

    Anyway, I was going to tell you guys about the soapbox preacher who was standing curbside downstairs, telling me as I walked back from a meeting two blocks away that "the lewdness of thy wh-redom is an abomination unto Him" -- but somehow, that just seems so mundane now.

    Did anyone else have an interesting day today?

    P.S.: The Honolulu Star-Advertiser has just posted a breaking news story on the crash.

    not as interesting as yours! (none / 0) (#13)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 08, 2013 at 11:13:27 PM EST
    That's pretty incredible about the helicopter. Glad everyone was okay. Pour a stiff drink, you may have trouble falling asleep. I would.

    I took your advice, and ... (none / 0) (#18)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 09, 2013 at 02:34:36 AM EST
    ... we blended a pitcher of margaritas this evening and hung with our neighbors and grilled up some dinner. Yeah, that was certainly a rush this afternoon.

    (Here's a short video shot in front of our office building this afternoon. The fire station is across the street, and the crashed copter is just down the block. And here's the guy whose car got hit; he's a student at Hawaii Pacific University who just finished a final exam. Surprise! Witnesses said it looked like engine failure, and that the pilot did an incredible job getting the copter down where she did without anyone being hurt. The aircraft and car are severely damaged and probably totaled -- but hey, she and her passenger were able to walk away from the crash with only a few scrapes and bruises. The gods were with them today.)

    We're heading to L.A. tomorrow afternoon to spend a few days at my mother's in Pasadena, which includes attending the Rolling Stones concert at the Honda Center in Anaheim (Yay!) on Tuesday night with my brother and his wife and a few of their friends.

    Then my mother is joining us as we fly to New York Thursday morning for Elder Daughter's college graduation on Saturday afternoon. Younger Daughter will join us in New York Friday night, after she gets through her finals at UH-Hilo this week.

    So, it's a big week ahead for us. Aloha.


    God that is incredibly lucky (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 09, 2013 at 03:28:04 AM EST
    We have more than a few crashes here.  Because helicopters use jet fuel they often catch fire quickly too, can make it difficult for injured people to escape.  My husband watched a helicopter go up (the whole thing) in less than 4 minutes.

    He had one catch fire when he was flying in Iraq, they got to the ground and he told the gunner to run while he tried to shut it down properly because a rotor system continuing to whirl can pose a new danger.  He got it shutdown okay, but he said that when he looked out at the gunner he was running and trying to check if he was on fire at the same time and later on they decided that this clip fit how they both felt best.


    What I've learned since last night ... (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 09, 2013 at 01:58:57 PM EST
    ... is that the 38-year-old pilot actually maneuvered the failing helicopter as it was rapidly losing altitude, and managed to put it down in the street in what was undoubtedly a hard landing. As she did so, the main rotor then hit the car, demolishing the vehicle and causing the aircraft to tip over sideways. Thank heavens there was nobody inside or on the nearby sidewalk, because it was an otherwise busy downtown weekday afternoon, and simply happenstance that the immediate vicinity was clear.

    So, that loud "THUD!" we initially heard, which we thought was the copter itself falling the top of the car, was actually the rotor striking the vehicle. The firemen heard everything, too, dashed out of the station and pulled both the pilot and passenger (who was her 72-year-old father!) to safety.



    A woman saves the day! (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 09, 2013 at 02:02:16 PM EST
    To best of all her abilities :)  Only broken machinery and not people, can fix machinery.

    We have a lot of female pilots out here. (none / 0) (#75)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 09, 2013 at 02:33:04 PM EST
    When I flew back here from Hilo two weeks ago on a Hawaiian Airlines B-717, we had an all-female flight crew and an all-male cabin crew, and really, nobody thinks anything about that stuff anymore. (Well, nobody who's sane, anyway.) The times have sure changed from 40 years ago, when women were not allowed to be airline pilots.

    In fact, Hawaiian's Chief Pilot is a woman named Mimi Tompkins, who I believe is the only female chief pilot of a major airline in the entire world. Lord knows, she's more than qualified for the job. Capt. Tompkins was the co-pilot on that ill-fated Aloha Airlines B-737 25 years ago that suffered catastrophic structural failure at 25,000 feet and made that miraculous emergency landing at Kahului, Maui. (She can be seen to the immediate left in this Maui News photo from that day, standing in the aircraft doorway and assisting passengers in the evacuation.)

    Why and how that plane didn't simply break up in flight that afternoon and become a total loss, I'll never know. The gods were with them that day, too.



    We still don't have many women going through (none / 0) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 10, 2013 at 07:56:58 AM EST
    Rotary flight school here.  It is currently at about 1 or 2 per class of 50.  Flying a helicopter is a lot more difficult than flying fixed wing too.

    They finally concluded that a kid here who was being pushed through by a three star general was not going to be able to master rotary flight, so they sent him to fixed wing school.  Really?

    The military says that who your daddy is or your uncle is doesn't matter anymore, they all agree that's unethical.  Then what is this fresh business?  And who thinks that when someone flunks out of rotary school the solution is fixed wing flight?  If your daddy isn't a three star you go to bottom of the MOS pile too if you flunk Fort Rucker.  Somedays I just do not get it.  And taxpayers are paying for this :)


    A quibble... (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by unitron on Thu May 09, 2013 at 02:20:54 AM EST
    ...I would refer to the ladies in Cleveland as "escaped" or "rescued" rather than "released".

    "Released" sounds too much like the end of a lawful prison sentence or a termination of employment.

    Maybe the Feds (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by fishcamp on Thu May 09, 2013 at 08:48:05 AM EST
    who are watching and listening to everything could bust this site violator...Hey Feds get out there and do something!!!

    Or, if the Feds wanted to be of use, they could (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by caseyOR on Thu May 09, 2013 at 01:24:13 PM EST
    have one of their tech guys fix the problem with comment highlighting. You know, as long as they're gonna be hanging around anyway. That would be a good use of taxpayer dollars. :-)

    I deleted the site violator (none / 0) (#79)
    by Jeralyn on Thu May 09, 2013 at 04:09:33 PM EST
    but thanks.

    Boston seeking increase in security funds (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 09, 2013 at 09:15:45 AM EST
    Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis will testify Thursday before the House Homeland Security Committee on the marathon attack and ask lawmakers for increased security funding, including for more surveillance cameras.

    "Images from cameras do not lie. They do not forget," Davis will say, according to prepared testimony obtained by the Associated Press. "They can be viewed by a jury as evidence of what occurred. These efforts are not intended to chill or stifle free speech, but rather to protect the integrity and freedom of that speech and to protect the rights of victims and suspects alike."

    Davis will also express concerns about protecting civil liberties in a time of heightened security.

    Wants more money for cameras but ....

    "I do not endorse actions that move Boston and our nation into a police state mentality, with surveillance cameras attached to every light pole in the city," Davis will say.

    Not sure how that will work.


    How will that work? (none / 0) (#32)
    by lentinel on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:19:27 AM EST
    A quote attributed to Franklin:
    If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both.

    In my opinion, that is how it will work.

    If I win.... (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by kdog on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:28:39 AM EST
    Rep. Stockman's raffle I'm gonna disassemble the prize and sell it for scrap.

    Mark Sanford (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by CoralGables on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:28:41 AM EST
    settled his trespassing charge in Family Court by admitting he failed to abide by the divorce agreement and paying his ex-wife $5000 in fees and court costs. The judge withheld any sentence as long as Sanford abides by the provisions of their 2010 divorce agreement going forward.

    It would have been cheaper for him to hike the Appalachian Trail to Argentina.

    And better, after hiking, (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by Peter G on Thu May 09, 2013 at 02:21:18 PM EST
    to stay there.

    Cleveland Women (none / 0) (#1)
    by Belswyn on Wed May 08, 2013 at 08:37:42 PM EST
    Regarding the accused in the Cleveland case, the primary accused has been charged with kidnap and rape. Since there was an FBI task force, will he likely be charged with federal crimes as well? As it stands, it doesn't seem likely that he crossed state lines with the victims.

    If I'm not mistaken (none / 0) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Wed May 08, 2013 at 08:52:38 PM EST
    kidnapping is always a federal crime.

    kidnapping can be either (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 08, 2013 at 09:12:53 PM EST
    state or federal. The federal kidnapping statute doesn't seem to apply. Seems like a state crime to me. In Elizabeth Smart, the federal charge was kidnapping across state lines.

    I don't even think the federal hostage taking law applies unless the women were taken hostage to compel an action by the government or the victim is not an American citizen.

    I'm sure they can find some federal crime, but I don't see how it's kidnapping.


    Well, that's our FBI. (none / 0) (#8)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 08, 2013 at 09:53:07 PM EST
    Ex post facto, a day late and dollar short. Where were they a decade ago, when these women first disappeared?

    I swear, sometimes that agency's motto should read, "Shooting the wounded since 1935."


    that is not fair (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by nyjets on Wed May 08, 2013 at 10:22:22 PM EST
    FOr some cases, there is just no evidence that can lead you to find the solution. There have been plenty of cases where the FBI have solved.
    Also, this case was most likly handled by the local PD or state police.

    Then why is it a federal case now? (none / 0) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 08, 2013 at 10:38:28 PM EST
    I'm sure the feds could find something to charge these guys with, but unless they were invited in by local authorities or have strong suspicions / evidence that the suspects committed crimes outside of Ohio, they should stand down -- especially now, since the threat from these characters has obviously been neutralized.

    on that I agree (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by nyjets on Wed May 08, 2013 at 11:00:38 PM EST
    The fed really should not be involved at this point (unless the local authorities ask for their assitance.)

    I Assummed the FBI... (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by ScottW714 on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:25:05 AM EST
    ...was brought it for the forensic aspect.  They were looking for bodies and if he really did abort 5 kids, seems like they might need equipment Cleveland PD might not have.  Their profilers probably want to figure how he managed to go undetected for a decade.

    Just my opinion.

    What is odd to me is haven't charged him with any crimes related to the fact that a couple girls were 14.

    He was arraigned at Cleveland city court.


    Only one man was charged. (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Wed May 08, 2013 at 10:42:23 PM EST
    Thank you for the update. (none / 0) (#19)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 09, 2013 at 02:54:27 AM EST
    I finally saw that on the news tonight.

    I found it incredible to almost impossible to believe that the brothers knew absolutely nothing about what was going on inside that house -- but then, family members aren't obligated to share all their dirty little secrets, are they?

    Still, that's a heckuva way to have some of your Andy Warhol-allotted 15 minutes used up, being nationally (and wrongly) implicated in a notorious crime.


    Is there any movement (none / 0) (#14)
    by sj on Wed May 08, 2013 at 11:25:53 PM EST
    on resolving the issue with the "[new]" comment designator? I'm having the problem pretty consistently on threads less than a day old.

    I have not experienced the problem (none / 0) (#15)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 08, 2013 at 11:40:53 PM EST
    and Colin (our webmaster) hasn't either. New comments always show up for me. On threads with 100 comments, the bottom comments show up in black and we have no idea why that is either. It may be your browser settings, or your comment settings. Sorry I can't be of more help but I can't reproduce it so I don't know why it's happening for some people and not others.

    There must be some (none / 0) (#16)
    by sj on Thu May 09, 2013 at 12:35:49 AM EST
    common denominator. It's a problem that happened suddenly and, if I recall correctly, it started about the same time you decided against your first implementation of TL Premium. Did some basic code change then in some subtle way?  I just don't think it's browser settings at all. One day no problem, and the next a pretty consistent problem.

    I think it may have something to do with date/time calculations or something like that.  I'll be curious to see if I have the problem when I move back to the Mountain time zone. I know other Marylanders have experienced the problem.

    But that's all just wild-a$$ guessing based on very little data.


    You could be right sj (none / 0) (#24)
    by fishcamp on Thu May 09, 2013 at 06:48:43 AM EST
    since it's been happening to me too and started during the TL premium situation.  I'm using Apple computers and Safari.

    That is definitely when it started: (none / 0) (#44)
    by shoephone on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:43:53 AM EST
    With the TL Premium try.

    Maybe it's the browser itself. (none / 0) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 09, 2013 at 03:06:16 AM EST
    I use Internet Explorer, and have not had any problem. But from the comments I've read, it appears to me that the common denominator for those who've been experiencing the issue is Firefox.

    Safari, too (none / 0) (#25)
    by Zorba on Thu May 09, 2013 at 07:07:35 AM EST
    I have problems when using Safari.

    And on Chrome as well (none / 0) (#41)
    by shoephone on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:29:44 AM EST
    Still no red "new comment" designation in open threads.

    They come and go for me in Firefox, and (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by Anne on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:48:37 AM EST
    seem to be more of a problem in Open Threads than in topic-specific ones.

    Come and goes for me in Firefox too. (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu May 09, 2013 at 11:43:18 AM EST
    Safari here, too. For me it most (none / 0) (#65)
    by caseyOR on Thu May 09, 2013 at 01:22:13 PM EST
    consistently happens with the newest post. So, with the new Thursday open thread no highlighting of new comments, but highlighting with all the other previous threads.

    And, yes, this all started when J was working with TL Prime.


    Hmm... (none / 0) (#78)
    by sj on Thu May 09, 2013 at 03:48:32 PM EST
    I'll have to pay closer attention.  I knew it was on newer posts, and the eventually after it (the post) had been there awhile, the "new" indicator was back.

    Anne, I'm wondering if the reason we see it more on the open threads is because they are the most dynamic.


    I use IE and Firefox both (none / 0) (#76)
    by sj on Thu May 09, 2013 at 03:33:56 PM EST
    Problems with both.  

    Jodi Arias is freaky intelligent (none / 0) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 09, 2013 at 08:35:58 AM EST
    And well spoken.  She said that she didn't think she would be convicted of premeditated, she thought she would get felony murder because of how the law is written but not premeditated.

    How the law is written?  That's why I have to call a lawyer, how the law is written usually escapes me.

    I didn't follow the trial, though I know a (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Anne on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:46:57 AM EST
    couple people who got hooked on it early.

    All I can say is, based on what I've read/heard, if she is the sociopath she appears to be, it makes sense that she comes across as highly intelligent - I think that's an attribute of a lot of sociopaths.

    As is an over-inflated ego, which she also appears to have.


    She is frightening (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 09, 2013 at 11:32:24 AM EST
    Not much empathy for others that you can discern.  Ariel Castro is only accused at this point, but he does appear ashamed.  I realize that probably comes down to only being ashamed once caught.  He covers his face and doesn't make eye contact.  Arias looks right at everyone and right into the camera and speaks calmly and evenly.  She is a professional, and she doesn't blink.

    I always talk too fast when attempting public speaking, she graduated from toastmasters.


    To call legal writing "writing".... (none / 0) (#42)
    by Dadler on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:33:51 AM EST
    ...is an insult to rhetoric. It is misdirection disguised as bullsh*t, then it knocks on your door and when you ask who it is, the legal writing replies, "Landshark. Candygram..."

    "Some" people would say that (none / 0) (#43)
    by Anne on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:40:49 AM EST
    the way the laws are written just guarantees that lawyers and judges will always have work.

    The only thing worse, in my opinion, is the US tax code.  Again, guaranteed work for lawyers.

    And I work in a law firm, so take that for what it's worth.


    Saw a report (none / 0) (#54)
    by ExcitableBoy on Thu May 09, 2013 at 11:24:05 AM EST
    that she wants the death penalty. If she said that, it could be true, or the weariness of the whole trial, or a little reverse psychology. From what little I've seen -- I know the basics of the trial, have read articles here and there -- she doesn't strike me as someone who would rather die than serve life. But who knows.

    I don't think she wants to die either (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 09, 2013 at 11:43:19 AM EST
    The ultimate freedom though, that was chilling how she said that.  That girl can sell it though.  I guess she figures out what she wants and then analyzes all of us to figure out how to best get to that outcome.

    That can't be fully it though either.  That is how people become happily successful, they figure out what they want and then they figure out how to get there.  For the rest of the world that doesn't consist of repeatedly stabbing someone.

    Spouse and I were talking about "stabbing" someone, and I don't think I could even do it once.  It just seems so gross and violating and very personal, you have to be right up against them.  I might be able to if my life depended on it, if they were about to choke me out.  I probably could if they were going after a child, that kind of trumps everything for me.  But to just be angry with someone that you can walk away from or wound him and run and stay away from, it's just not happening for me, and to stab and stab and stab....nope, not happening


    My guess would be that she's not (none / 0) (#61)
    by Anne on Thu May 09, 2013 at 12:06:24 PM EST
    through manipulating people - and right now, she's got the stage, the microphone and cameras, and a big audience, so she can play it for all it's worth.

    Based on what I've heard of this case, I don't know that anything she says can or should be taken at face value, so when she says she'd rather get the needle, it's anyone's guess what she's really after.


    Anyone see the CNN interview of Amanda Knox? (none / 0) (#30)
    by magster on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:09:43 AM EST
    The CNN guy was a total jerk. Think Progress wrote a story about it.

    I can't believe she's going to be retried.

    "Total jerk" is probably being too kind. (none / 0) (#34)
    by Anne on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:22:45 AM EST
    I saw the clip on Think Progress and was just disgusted by Cuomo's "performance."  And let's face it, it was a performance, an obvious trolling for ratings.

    I thought it took an incredible amount of restraint on Knox's part not to ask Cuomo who the hell he thinks he is.


    The whole interview was objectionable... (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by magster on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:25:04 AM EST
    ... that highlighted clip was simply the worst part. Knox did very well responding.

    And "total jerk" was the best I could do without falling out of favor with this site's language guidelines.


    Did very well indeed (none / 0) (#63)
    by brodie on Thu May 09, 2013 at 12:37:12 PM EST
    She came off as a very sympathetic figure to me, though to be sure I'd long doubted the prosecution's case against her and was inclined to believe in her innocence.

    And I wonder, thinking of the pending retrial in Italy, whether that interview, and the seeming aggressive tone of questioning by Cuomo, actually helps her in the larger court of public opinion, possibly ultimately with certain persons in a position to decide the matter, overseas as well as in D.C.

    Looked at that way Cuomo might have been doing her a favor, by not soft pedaling the questioning and avoiding the scripted or rehearsed-looking softball interview that could have looked bought and paid for in the eyes of Italian officials.


    Only if she returns to Europe. (none / 0) (#77)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 09, 2013 at 03:36:58 PM EST
    She'd be very foolish to travel there any time in the foreseeable future.

    You know (none / 0) (#80)
    by sj on Thu May 09, 2013 at 04:10:55 PM EST
    I was (am?) a huge admirer of Mario Cuomo.  What the heck happened to his sons? Or was my impression of Mario misguided to begin with?

    Well Mario had his moments (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by brodie on Thu May 09, 2013 at 04:30:50 PM EST
    too.  Such as wimping out on running for prez in 88 and 92, and vacillating grotestquely, stringing Clinton along, as he couldn't decide whether to accept a nom for Scotus.

    Again I think the interview went well for her -- sincere, honest and sympathetic as Cuomo gave her the Treatment.  In any decent rational world that should have put an end to the whole thing.  

    But then we're dealing here with the Italian criminal justice system ...


    I have some sympathy (none / 0) (#86)
    by sj on Fri May 10, 2013 at 11:20:20 AM EST
    for M Cuomo's vacillation in those circumstances. I'm in a similar situation (albeit in a much smaller scale) myself right now.  I know that I want to go home, but I have an opportunity to pursue something that would be extremely cool and quite prestigious professionally. But I wouldn't be able to stay home. It's hard to say "no" outright when you want both things.

    Boehner calling for a release of Benghazi (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:13:39 AM EST
    Interagency emails, seems to hope/believe that this will fry Obama.  Demanding Obamacare be repealed because of Obama's death panel (ipad), the Republicans will not allow anyone to be appointed to that board.  Obama lied about his stimulus plan too, he said that unemployment would be at 5% if he got his stimulus and but it is 7%.

    I wonder, will President Obama finally notice that the Republican party does not desire his membership :)?  I just watched Boehner and that was a declaration of war.

    Obama is far too conflicted... (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Dadler on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:55:01 AM EST
    ...a personality to have any idea that his entire political "philosophy" is based on a comprehensive ignorance of human psychology. This is a man who's written two books that are OBVIOUS attempts to figure himself out, and believe me, read them, it's been clear for a decade that he is a sadly delusional guy. But "successful" as hell, so what do I know?

    If only people would spend their (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Anne on Thu May 09, 2013 at 11:10:24 AM EST
    money on therapy, instead of running for public office, it would spare us from having to be drawn into and affected by the psychodrama that attends their unresolved issues and dysfunctional relationships.

    Not that we don't all have some degree of that in our lives, but those who seem to require hordes of adoring "fans" seem particularly ill-suited for a job that involves making major decisions for the rest of us.


    My psychiatrist father, (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by NYShooter on Thu May 09, 2013 at 02:00:26 PM EST
    watching the Nixon-Humphrey campaign, poignantly uttered, "the very qualities needed for a candidate to win a Presidential election are the exact same qualities that guarantee he will be a rotten President."

    The problem Anne (none / 0) (#62)
    by Slado on Thu May 09, 2013 at 12:31:36 PM EST
    is sane people don't run for office.

    And if they do they tend to get out.


    I think all this Benghazi angst has more to (5.00 / 4) (#67)
    by caseyOR on Thu May 09, 2013 at 01:28:31 PM EST
    do with Hillary. The long knives are already out for 2016. Sticking it to Obama is just a nice byproduct.

    Definitely, it's aimed at HRC and 2016 (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by Towanda on Thu May 09, 2013 at 02:28:50 PM EST
    Here we go, again.

    It's really not all about Obama, all of the time.


    The GOP gleefully considers it to be... (none / 0) (#98)
    by unitron on Fri May 10, 2013 at 07:24:57 PM EST
    ...two for the price of one.

    That being said, the administration doesn't seem to have handled this whole thing very well.


    Obama is doing a good job (none / 0) (#33)
    by Slado on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:20:32 AM EST
    of being a bad president all on his own.

    He doesn't need the republicans help.


    But they can't help themselves, apparently; (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Anne on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:26:15 AM EST
    and unfortunately, the GOP is so bad that all it ends up doing is making Obama look better, and keep Democrats from raising the bar for him.

    We seem to be screwed no matter what, which isn't exactly comforting.


    Yup (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 09, 2013 at 11:20:51 AM EST
    Just as long as he isn't Satan, some lesser demon is fine because it is an improvement over what Republicans offer :)

    If he ever says the word Bipartisan ever again I'll, you'll what Tracy?....cuz he's going to say it. He'll die saying it, praying for it, writing memoirs to it, pining for it, it is his pony.  The magic pony that never poops, so nothing to clean up ever.


    "The magic pony that never poops." (none / 0) (#58)
    by Anne on Thu May 09, 2013 at 11:39:58 AM EST
    I'm picturing my daughters' old My Little Ponys, with their sparkly manes and tails, getting bigger and bigger, lol.

    So what creature's poop has he been shoveling in the belief that there really IS a magic pony in there?

    Wait - don't answer that...I'm not sure I want to know...


    they had nowhere to go but up (none / 0) (#64)
    by jondee on Thu May 09, 2013 at 01:05:02 PM EST
    after looking in Clinton's pants for months..and after committing outright burglary..and after sobotaging the Vietnam peace talks..and..and..

    Desperate, petty-shading-to-vicious, and completely out of ideas is how they look.

    But then, thinking and ideas are for elites..


    Nakoula Basseley Nakoula (none / 0) (#35)
    by Slado on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:25:02 AM EST
    Remember that guy?

    Exactly why did the government throw the book at him again?

    Pretty Awful
    that this guy is in jail for making a bad video.  

    Well as long as the Obama administration got to move Benghazi off the front page.   That is for the greater good.  Go ahead and let this guy rot in jail.  Making offensive videos should be a crime or something.

    that's not why he is in prison (none / 0) (#81)
    by Jeralyn on Thu May 09, 2013 at 04:12:35 PM EST
    He violated the terms of his supervised release and pleaded guilty. Detailed account here.

    I've read that this is an extreme (none / 0) (#84)
    by Slado on Fri May 10, 2013 at 09:24:43 AM EST
    punishment for a routine violation.

    I'll defer to your expertise.

    Smells fishy is all.


    Ya don't think Al Capone... (none / 0) (#87)
    by kdog on Fri May 10, 2013 at 11:38:09 AM EST
    really went to prison for tax evasion do ya? ;)

    If the man wants to get ya, there is no shortage of tools in the toolbox we call the law.


    Amen brother Amen (none / 0) (#88)
    by Slado on Fri May 10, 2013 at 11:51:24 AM EST
    Heard an interesting comment about liberalism the other day.

    In the old days they fought against the establishment.

    Now they are part of the establishment.

    As government grows bigger so do it's powers and inevitably it's overreach.

    Want to fix it?  Starve it.


    Catch 22... (none / 0) (#89)
    by kdog on Fri May 10, 2013 at 12:04:53 PM EST
    the folks who wanna starve it only wanna starve the part that actually does some good, and the folks who want it to grow wanna grow the parts that cause direct harm or simply don't work.

    What did Vonnegut call himself?  A Man Without a Country...that's how I feel sometimes.


    Or Quit Electing Fools... (none / 0) (#93)
    by ScottW714 on Fri May 10, 2013 at 03:56:59 PM EST
    ...who use special interest money to fiance their campaigns.  Not a partisan comment, the whole lot need to go.

    There was an actual Left (none / 0) (#95)
    by jondee on Fri May 10, 2013 at 04:36:50 PM EST
    in this country in the old days.

    People who weren't afraid, come hell or highwater, to publicly declare themselves socialists, Trotskyites, anarchists, and the like.. Some of them would actually, on occasion, even get elected to public office. If nothing else, their voices served as a necessary corrective in the public marketplace of ideas.

    That was, of course, all before Tailgunner Joe, the union-busters, and the corporate Grand Wurlitizer carried the day and succeeded in deeply embedding the meme in the public consciousness that these "moderate" corporate-Wall St-beholden functionaries like Obama and the Clintons are the latter day voices of the the people..



    Tamerlan Tsarnaev has been buried (none / 0) (#48)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:56:51 AM EST
    BOSTON (AP) -- Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev has been buried in an undisclosed location outside the city of Worcester, police said Thursday after a frustrating weeklong search for a community willing to take the body.

    "As a result of our public appeal for help, a courageous and compassionate individual came forward to provide the assistance needed to properly bury the deceased," Worcester police said in a statement. link

    The 8-10 nuts (none / 0) (#50)
    by CoralGables on Thu May 09, 2013 at 11:12:44 AM EST
    that were hanging out in front of the funeral home making idiots of themselves can now return to their boring lives and suffer from frustration, never knowing if Tsarnaev is resting with their relatives.

    I was very disappointed that the press (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 09, 2013 at 11:23:44 AM EST
    Followed the body to begin with and showed shots of the funeral homes that it went to.  They kind of had a role in how all this went down.  They followed the hearse like a fleeing O.J. was in it.

    they have time to fill (none / 0) (#56)
    by ExcitableBoy on Thu May 09, 2013 at 11:27:03 AM EST
    until the next Balloon Boy. The Eagles' Dirty Laundry pretty much says it all.

    glad it's done (none / 0) (#51)
    by ExcitableBoy on Thu May 09, 2013 at 11:14:54 AM EST
    I realize emotions are high, but the guy's dead. Glad someone stepped up so he could be buried.

    Maybe they can join the (none / 0) (#55)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 09, 2013 at 11:26:18 AM EST
    Westboro Baptist Church. They would fit right in. :-(

    Speaking for myself only, ... (none / 0) (#72)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 09, 2013 at 02:05:50 PM EST
    ... I must sheepishly admit that my abominably lewd wh*redom actually closed its doors a long time ago -- but hey, that joint was really rockin' back in the day!

    Talking points scrubbed by White House (none / 0) (#85)
    by Slado on Fri May 10, 2013 at 09:25:23 AM EST
    More lies (none / 0) (#90)
    by Yman on Fri May 10, 2013 at 12:14:05 PM EST
    Where in the article does it say that the TPs were scrubbed by the WH?  Try to be specific here, because you keep making these charges that just don't hold up.  In the few instances that you do provide a link, they don't say what you claim they're saying (not including the Ron Fournier/National Journal opinion piece, which was good for a laugh).

    If you look at the actual revisions, (none / 0) (#91)
    by Anne on Fri May 10, 2013 at 12:18:43 PM EST
    I think this goes from being headline news to...well, something a lot more benign than you seem to want it to be.

    Here are the revisions.

    Please point out to me - and to the rest of us - what is so sinister about them, because I'm just not seeing it.

    From the link you provided:

    White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said none of this contradicts what he said about the talking points because ultimately all versions were actually written and signed-off by the CIA.

    "The CIA drafted these talking points and redrafted these talking points," Carney said. "The fact that there are inputs is always the case in a process like this, but the only edits made by anyone here at the White House were stylistic and nonsubstantive. They corrected the description of the building or the facility in Benghazi from consulate to diplomatic facility and the like. And ultimately, this all has been discussed and reviewed and provided in enormous levels of detail by the administration to Congressional investigators, and the attempt to politicize the talking points, again, is part of an effort to, you know, chase after what isn't the substance here."

    UPDATE:  A source familiar with the White House emails on the Benghazi talking point revisions say that State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland was raising two concerns about the CIA's first version of talking points, which were going to be sent to Congress:  1) The talking points went further than what she was allowed to say about the attack during her state department briefings; and, 2) she believed the CIA was attempting to exonerate itself at the State Department's expense by suggesting CIA warnings about the security situation were ignored.

    In one email, Nuland asked, why are we suggest Congress "start making assertions to the media [about the al Qaeda connection] that we ourselves are not making because we don't want to prejudice the investigation?"

    One other point:  The significant edits - deleting references to al Qaeda and the CIA's warnings - came after a White House meeting on the Saturday before Ambassador Susan Rice appeared on five Sunday shows.  Nuland, a 30-year foreign service veteran who has served under Democratic and Republican Secretaries of State, was not at that meeting and played no direct role in preparing Rice for her interviews.

    For the life of me, I do not understand why you seem to want this all to be more than what it is/was.


    B.S. Ansar al-Sharia is not Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#92)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 10, 2013 at 12:19:41 PM EST
    The group argues and fights internally about staying away from Al Qaeda, they desire to keep their issues about Libya.  Do they have some among them who have Al Qaeda sympathies?  Yes.  Ansar al-Sharia is very fractured organization though.

    The White House is not supposed to release false information though, and just because someone in the CIA rattled off the words Al Qaeda does not make the attack an Al Qaeda attack.

    The White House was ethical in changing the wording from Al Qaeda to extremists, and they claimed from the git that extremists participated in the attack.

    I realize that the Bush administration would have immediately called it an Al Qaeda attack.......unless they felt that that would have angered people because they still didn't have the head of Al Qaeda, whatever spun better.  Even though the media wasn't flooded with the breaking news that we were at threat level Orange though, that doesn't mean the White House lied about anything.  If anything, making certain that the wording was correct indicates a White House intending to be as accurate as possible.


    Our first morning in SoCal ... (none / 0) (#94)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri May 10, 2013 at 04:26:43 PM EST
    ... was spent taking my mother see to the dentist, which The Spouse really insisted that she do because she was complaining about a dull toothache last night while driving us back to her house from LAX, just as she had when I talked to her on the phone from Hawaii in Tuesday.

    Good thing we went in, because the dentist discovered that she actually had a serious abcess. He treated it topically and prescribed her some heavy-duty antibiotics and accompanying pain medication, and she's now resting comfortably in her bedroom.

    I'm so glad we found out what was wrong and got it resolved now, and not have it become an issue while we're all in upstate New York later next week. We were originally going to go to Santa Monica this afternoon, but instead we're staying here in Pasadena. My younger brother and his wife are coming over later, and we'll perhaps all go out to dinner if Mom's feeling better and up to it.

    (Good thing I brought my laptop along on this trip, because this has proved the perfect time to catch up on my growing backlog of e-mail and other correspondence from work. Otherwise, I'd have left it all until I got back. And my partner just called and asked if I had time to participate in a conference call in an hour with a client. Well, I do now ...)

    We're going to drive down to Carlsbad tomorrow to spend the day with my cousin, who's been making a remarkably steady recovery from leukemia since receiving a bone marrow transplant from her brother last year. It's supposed to be foggy along the coast in the morning, like it was last night when we arrived, but then clear up in the afternoon. I love springtime in Southern California.


    I Had One Some Years Back... (none / 0) (#96)
    by ScottW714 on Fri May 10, 2013 at 05:01:13 PM EST
    ...woke up with the slight pain in my front tooth and figured it was something I did in my sleep.

    It got worse, and by days end I was in near tears.  Worse pain I ever had and the surgery was no fun either, they cut into my gums and scrapped out the infection.  Had stitches in my gums.

    It wasn't bad, tiny, but it was right on the nerve.  That was one of those times when I truly appreciated the efficiency of the blackmarket.  I got relief delivered at night, and the offer of a nice tip had them there quickly.

    Even with pain meds, it was still there, a constant dull pain that just kept increasing.    


    Dudes, you guys just didn't get any endorphins (none / 0) (#97)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 10, 2013 at 05:46:43 PM EST
    I was finally able to walk around freely today.  I put a giant monkey bump on my shin, and it's still sort of big but half the size it was.  If my husband got it though he'd need anesthesia.  He looks at it and shudders.  Aleve and ice, with a few poodle licks for good measure does it all.

    Prescription poodle... (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by unitron on Fri May 10, 2013 at 10:59:48 PM EST
    ...or black market?

    Perspiring minds want to know.