Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Unarmed When Shot

So much for the Boston Police' public speculation that Dzhokar Tsarneav may have shot himself in the neck in a suicide attempt -- and their claim the gunfire battle occuring at the boat was two-way.

Officials now say Dzhokar was unarmed when he was captured. No gun was found on or around the boat.

Two U.S. officials say Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the surviving suspect, was unarmed when police captured him hiding inside a boat in a neighborhood back yard. Authorities originally said they had exchanged gunfire with Dzhokhar for more than one hour Friday evening before they were able to subdue him.

Interesting that instead of this being the headline, CBS has a headline referring to a speculative claim by police in the article that Tamerlan may have financed the venture with marijuana sales. No support for is given other than Tamerlan was unemployed.

According to his wife, he was the stay at home dad while she worked 60 to 80 hours a week. That's hardly evidence of drug dealing. [More...]

In related news: Williams Somona pulled pressure cookers from its Boston stores. shelves. If you want one (they are great for making fast mashed potatoes), Macy's has several models still available. I recommend this one by TFal.

Question: Have police identfied this guy yet? The one they arrested and made strip naked, and then paraded in front of the media cameras as they put him in a patrol car, and then let go because he wasn't involved?

It's not the carjack victim because he's Chinese and escaped at the gas station in Cambridge while Tamerlan was pumping gas and Dzhokhar was buying Red Bull before the brothers took the car to Watertown.

< Baltimore's Female Prison Guard Indictment | Disabling Video Auto-Play (A How-To) >
  • The Online Magazine with Liberal coverage of crime-related political and injustice news

  • Contribute To TalkLeft

  • Display: Sort:
    Pressure cooker (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by msobel on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 12:05:21 AM EST
    My pressure cooker doesn't have a serial number on it. How do I register it with ATF? I mean if I'm not cooking anything bad in it, what do I have to fear?

    I still haven't replaced my stolen (none / 0) (#1)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 09:26:15 PM EST
    pressure cooker. Guess WS and any other retailer stupid enough to pull them won't get my biz for that and any other home items I buy (still replacing everything). I can't stand stupidity :)

    Can innocent naked guy sue? (not a sue happy person, but paraded naked in front of media . . .? kinda changes things)

    It will be a while (none / 0) (#3)
    by Slado on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 07:14:34 AM EST
    Before we learn everything.

    The biggest mystery is how did a stay at home Dad acquire all the weaponry and expertise.

    One would think his 6 months in Russia were not spent sunning himself by the Black Sea but we don't know.

    I find it hard to believe these guys pulled this off completely on their own but I have no info to confirm or deny that.  All reports either way are unconfirmed.  

    Kerry said otherwise yesterday and then the administration walked it back.

    We shall see.   What is becoming apparent is this guy should have been watched closer by the Feds as we found out yesterday the CIA was informed about him by Russia.  

    Why do people keep making ... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Yman on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 08:01:42 AM EST
    We shall see.   What is becoming apparent is this guy should have been watched closer by the Feds as we found out yesterday the CIA was informed about him by Russia.

    ... these claims?  We have no idea what the basis was for the Russian inquiry or how much information they gave the CIA/FBI.  The FBI ran a background check and questioned him, but said they found nothing to warrant further action.  They asked Russia for more information but received no response.  Did they miss something?  What else should they have done?


    If our fed. government is monitoring (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 08:30:40 AM EST
    others legally residing in the U.S. whom our government has the slightest suspicion are even considering financing/advocating/ planning "terrorism," the elder suspect should have been on their list for continued interest.

    I heard on the radio yesterday (none / 0) (#7)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 08:39:35 AM EST
    that the Russians contacted us (the FBI?) because they thought Tamerlan was a danger to Russia. And that after they talked to him and reported back to Russia, Tamerlan was then put on some kind of FBI list.

    Yep (none / 0) (#9)
    by Yman on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 08:55:28 AM EST
    Agreed, but ... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Yman on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 08:51:13 AM EST
    ... wasn't he already in the TIDE database?  I know there's an issue about whether his name was/should have been in the TIDE database when he returned to the US after his trip to Russia, but apart from maybe questioning him (as they already had done), was there something else they should have done?

    I think this is an issue that should be investigated, but on what basis should we conclude that it is apparent that he "should have been watched closer", apart from the benefit of 20/20 hindsight?


    If another country calls (none / 0) (#13)
    by Slado on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 12:04:18 PM EST
    both the FBI and CIA to tell us this guy is trouble we should watch him closer.

    As for the idea we can't presume this guy was trouble how did he appear on Russia's radar if he's an American resident?

    Could it be what he was up to in Russia?

    We shall see.


    No idea what evidence ... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Yman on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 02:51:57 PM EST
    ... Russia had.  Then again, Russia didn't respond to the FBI's inquiry, so either: 1) it wasn't much, or 2) it was serious, but they didn't want to share it with us.

    Either way, what do you mean he should have been "watched closer"?  Are you suggesting surveillance teams?  Simply because another country calls and raises questions about him?  You do realize there are over a half million people on the watch list, right?

    As for the idea we can't presume this guy was trouble how did he appear on Russia's radar if he's an American resident?

    Could it be what he was up to in Russia?

    You mean what he was "up to in Russia" before he came here when he was 16?  Because the Russian's sent the inquiry before his trip to Russia in 2012.


    It's not like (none / 0) (#4)
    by jbindc on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 07:28:10 AM EST
    A stay at home dad is completely chained to the house and can't go out or run errands or whatever.  Certainly, stay at home moms have figured out a way to multitask for eons.

    Smuggling bomb parts... (none / 0) (#10)
    by unitron on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 10:19:50 AM EST
    ...home in the stroller?

    Are we sure these guys were smart enough... (none / 0) (#11)
    by unitron on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 10:31:26 AM EST
    ...to make the bombs on their own without having any accidents?

    Because it doesn't seem to have occurred to them that they needed a post-explosions plan other than going back to their regular lives.

    It's like they went from being Lex Luthor/Dr. Doom to being the Keystone Kops.

    And I still want to know to what "disturbance" the MIT officer was supposed to be responding (that's what the cops told the press) when he got shot sitting in his stationary vehicle.

    And when they couldn't get his gun out of the holster, why didn't they put him in the back seat, drive the cop car someplace dark and secluded, and check the trunk for shotguns, body armor, etc, as well as buying themselves time to get the holster unlocked/unlatched/however those things are supposed to work.

    Nothing suspicious about driving a marked car (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 11:31:38 AM EST
    w/a dead uniformed officer in the back seat!

    Ha! (none / 0) (#14)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 12:08:41 PM EST
    Lay him down... (none / 0) (#23)
    by unitron on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 04:11:34 PM EST
    ... so he doesn't show to a casual glance, put his hat on the driver (it was nightime, just create the silhouette), and get somewhere dark quick, like behind some stores or something.

    Well (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 01:11:57 PM EST
    they weren't the devout Muslims they are/were claiming to be if they were going to "party".

    It's being reported that (none / 0) (#18)
    by Anne on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 02:21:51 PM EST
    Dzohkhar went to a party at UMass-Dartmouth between the bombings on Monday and the carjacking on Thursday; it may have been a few decades since my college partying days, but I'm pretty sure there was no shortage of alcohol at the party Dzohkhar attended.


    I mean, isn't this what every aspiring terrorist does after his first act of terror?

    I never claimed... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 02:31:29 PM EST
    that all followers obey all the rules of their imaginary supreme being, or I should say the man-made rules attributed to an imaginary supreme being.

    You may be shocked to learn that some Catholics use contraception! ;)


    Do you think it more or less likely that (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Anne on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 03:15:24 PM EST
    someone with what looks like a "cafeteria" approach to their faith would be inclined to take radical action in the name of their faith?

    I think it would be less likely.  I'm getting the sense that of the two of them, older brother was the one with more of a fever.

    Just my sense of it.

    And for what it's worth, what people choose to observe or not observe is up to them.


    I don't know... (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 03:23:38 PM EST
    if it would be more or less...I would the think the most "devout" would catch on to the whole "thou shall not kill" thing present in all the major religions.  If you kill, you must be cafeteria style picking and choosing...no?

    Donnie is out of his element...I like to think I have some understanding of spirituality, but when it comes to religion I don't get it personally, don't get it all.  So little of organized religion makes sense to me.


    "Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Unarmed When Shot" (none / 0) (#24)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 06:08:57 PM EST
    Not really, he had pipe bombs and another pressure cooker bomb with him, or do we not count explosives as "arms?"

    Does the Second Amendment (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 06:23:43 PM EST
    prevent the government from regulating who may obtain equipment for home canning?

    Jeez, I hope not, oc (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Zorba on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 06:42:02 PM EST
    I have a huge pressure-canner for my home-grown and home-canned produce; I use it all the time.

    And I'm not giving it up- they're going to have to come and pry it from my cold, dead hands.  {/snark}


    Actually, I meant to say (none / 0) (#27)
    by Zorba on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 07:32:47 PM EST
    that "I hope so, oc."
    D@mn the lack of comment editing.   ;-)

    I'm not even sure I know what a (none / 0) (#28)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 12:55:01 AM EST
    pressure cooker is.

    Growing up my mom had this heavy closed pot with a lid that had a weighted stopper that wiggled back and forth from the steam from the pot, is that a pressure cooker? Must be.

    Regardless, the stringy-a$$ corned beef that came out was a bomb nonetheless.

    "A bomb," not "the bomb."



    Yes (none / 0) (#29)
    by Zorba on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 07:29:09 AM EST
    That was a pressure cooker, sarc.
    And, if the corned beef that came out of your mom's p.c. was stringy and tough, either your mom didn't cook it long enough, didn't add enough water to it, or she got really, really inferior corned beef from the butcher shop.

    Beans were a staple in my family (none / 0) (#30)
    by sj on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 11:24:25 PM EST
    When we got the pressure cooker and could cook beans in a couple of hours instead of all day it seemed like magic.  Now I'm back to cooking them all day using a slow cooker.

    Yep (none / 0) (#31)
    by Zorba on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 04:06:58 PM EST
    I actually use the slow cooker a whole lot, as opposed to a pressure cooker, for things like bean soup, stews, very tough cuts of meat, and so on.
    The main thing I use a pressure cooker for is canning, and that involves my huge pressure canner.
    (And, even more off topic, I simply adore my stainless steel juicer-steamer, which is absolutely essential for making jellies.)