Report: One Boston Marathon Suspect is Dead

Update 4:30 a.m: Latest reports: There has been an official impromptu news conference. The MIT officer is dead, another officer is in surgery. It began with a robbery at a 7/11, followed by the killing of the MIT officer in his car, a carjacking of a Mercedes and a car chase to Watertown. One suspect, reportedly the one in the black hat in the FBI photo, is dead. The suspect in the white hat is at large. Police have surrounded a commercial building in Watertown. [More...]


Update 4:00 a.m: There are now unconfirmed reports the guy in the photo above (and the naked guy put in a police car, see below) was an "innocent" and the suspect actually taken into custody has died at a hospital. If this is true, once again, the media has done a dismal job. For three hours, a local TV station in Boston identified the person in the above photo as the suspect taken into custody, made to disrobe and then put in a police car. Over and over the reporters stressed how smart the police were to make him disrobe first. As of this moment, it's unclear whether the person depicted above was the one taken into custody, or whether the person who was taken into custody is alive or dead. So please read the remainder, live-blogged from a local Boston news station, for what it is: a local news report.

The Boston Globe is reporting one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects is in custody in Watertown. (Headline here.) They are still searching for the second suspect.

Other reports say that there is no confirmation that the events of tonight are related to the bombing.

Every police agency is now in Watertown: Feds, local, tactical units and bomb details. MIT has been declared safe.

Sirens are still screaming at 3:00 a.m. At 2:40 a.m. police confirmed they are looking for a second suspect. There haven't been any more shots for a while.

The FBI released this much clearer photo of the two suspects today. [More...]

Here's a smaller version. Notice the cop right in front of them.

Update: 3:13 a.m.: All the police vehicles and tactical units have just moved out to a different location. The media assumes they got a new location for the second suspect.

To recap: A few hours after the FBI released the grainy photos, there was a disturbance call at M.I.T. An officer investigating the disturbance was shot and killed. There was a carjacking, and the carjacking suspects went to Watertown, where a lot of gunfire was exchanged and explosives could be heard. One suspect was taken into custody. He's alive because there is now video of him being made to take off his clothes and being led naked into the back of a police car. The second suspect is at large.

Despite the Globe's announcement, there has been no official confirmation that tonight's events are related to the bombing on Monday. Nor has it been established that the men in the FBI released photos are responsible for the bombings. They are only suspects.

The FBI only says the situation is ongoing, and they are working to determine what happened tonight.

Update 3:45 am: Headline of the Boston Globe has changed, but still reports one Marathon bombing suspect is in custody and the other is at large.

Update 4:30 am: The Boston Globe changes its headline again, to report the suspect taken into custody is dead.

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    What does this mean? (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 07:30:34 AM EST
    Notice the cop right in front of them.

    That the cop, facing away from the suspects, at an event with a million people, where nothing has happened yet, should have known to turn around and profile two Muslim men standing on a street corner?

    Muslim? (none / 0) (#22)
    by PatHat on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 07:35:37 AM EST
    Did I miss this confirmed detail?

    well, first of all ....duh (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:29:29 AM EST
    second, the younger brother said so on his facebook page.

    According to CNN (none / 0) (#34)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:31:37 AM EST
    People are such phucked up creatures (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 10:27:53 AM EST
    And our fellow human beings, on the whole, are incompetent observers of human behavior, thus you end up with situations like this. We all hide things from each other, the more profound the thing, the harder we hide it. You'd never know, meeting me, for example, that at 10 years old I was driven so insane by my abusive first stepfather that I plotted, seriously, to murder him for about two months. Never got the "courage" to do it, still feel like my little brother is phucked up because I didn't "save" him by killing his father, and the rage it fills me with, subconscious particularly, is astounding in its implications in my life. Intense sh*t, and a lot of people carry equally intense sh*t around with them all their lives, especially if it occurred when they were young.

    Never be surprised at the ability of human beings to hide themselves in broad daylight, or for their particular and individual rages to come out by hurting others.

    The bigger surprise is... (none / 0) (#57)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:39:42 AM EST
    ...that it doesn't happen more often. For that, all of us should retain what little faith we have left in that thing called humanity. It's the Max Von Sydow rant from Hannah & Her Sisters, or at least the first minute twenty of it. Peace out (link).

    Press Conference (none / 0) (#1)
    by nomatter0nevermind on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 03:34:39 AM EST
    I just saw a uniformed officer giving a press conference on MSNBC. He refused to confirm or deny that one suspect is dead.

    One suspect still at large. Residents advised to remain in homes, call 911 for anything unusual, open doors only if uniforms visible. I think he said a twenty block perimeter around the site of the shootout.

    Eerie (none / 0) (#2)
    by nomatter0nevermind on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 03:41:20 AM EST
    MSNBC reported one of the suspects on video at a 7-11 in a gray hoodie.

    It's now been confirmed by police (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 03:55:56 AM EST
    that the guy in the black cap, is dead.

    The police officer at the news conference described the guy in the white hat as Caucasian, but also said he came here to kill people.

    The media knows a lot more about the identity and backgrounds of the suspects, but say they aren't telling.

    Here is the Boston Police Commissioner's (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 04:08:14 AM EST
    The Boston Globe reports: (none / 0) (#5)
    by lentinel on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 05:26:12 AM EST
    Boston Police Commissioner Edward F. Davis said the man now known as Marathon bombing Suspect #2, the man with the white baseball cap who actually dropped the bombs at the race finish line, is the person being sought by a massive collection of federal, state, and municipal police.

    I was wondering how they knew that this "suspect", "actually dropped the bombs at the race finish line".

    I could find no information about that.
    I would suppose that there is some video to show that.

    I also would have to say that I am astounded that suspects in a highly publicized murder would, instead of laying low, rob a convenience store and carjack a Mercedes - thereby alerting everyone of their presence...

    Maybe because (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 07:28:15 AM EST
    These guys weren't so highly trained, had no exit plan, and had no money.  Only when their photos were shown did they realize the jig was up and tried to get out of town.  Notice they did not "marytr" themselves, and the fact that they tried to rob a 7-11 tells you 1) they are not criminal masterminds and 2) they probably were not financed by a highly organized group.

    They watched him on video (none / 0) (#6)
    by f2000 on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 05:38:50 AM EST
    placing the bomb right next to the 8-year-old boy that died.

    Sequence (none / 0) (#10)
    by nomatter0nevermind on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:02:21 AM EST
    CBS said it started with MIT police responding to a suspicious person report. They killed the officer, then robbed a 7-11, then jacked a vehicle.

    the fog of media wars (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:06:36 AM EST
    Conflicting Report (none / 0) (#17)
    by nomatter0nevermind on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:46:23 AM EST
    Another report says it started with the 7-11 robbery. It is sourced to 'state police officials'.

    It seems only Suspect #2 was involved in the reported robbery.



    Latest Confusion (none / 0) (#62)
    by nomatter0nevermind on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:40:28 PM EST
    CBS now reporting it isn't clear that either Marathon suspect was involved in a robbery.

    Shorter version (well, not shorter) (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Peter G on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:54:14 PM EST
    Nothing is clear.  Amazing how difficult it is, in the cable-news-and-internet age, to stop obsessing over breaking "news," in hopes of understanding the unfathomable right away.  Even though we know, in our rational minds, that so much of what we "find out" today will turn out to be wrong.

    Tsarnaez brothers (none / 0) (#9)
    by Slado on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 05:56:02 AM EST
    According to NBC

    20 and 19 year old brothers.

    Younger brother on the run.

    Older brother found dead with an IED on him.


    Now it ends in a v (none / 0) (#11)
    by Slado on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:09:15 AM EST

    NBC via Pete Williams now saying that (none / 0) (#16)
    by caseyOR on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:43:41 AM EST
    white hat guy is 19 and his brother was 26. They both moved to the U.S. with their family about 10 years ago.

    Well now it's really confusing (none / 0) (#18)
    by Slado on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:54:09 AM EST
    Homegrown but not native.  

    Wonder if they were somehow radicalized?


    I guess we'll find out. Clearly, they are not (none / 0) (#19)
    by caseyOR on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 07:01:30 AM EST
    suicide bombers. Seems that these two wanted to live.

    That (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 07:40:26 AM EST
    was pretty clear from the beginning.

    Not so sure (none / 0) (#25)
    by Slado on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:05:45 AM EST
    He did die with a IED on him.

    Well learn more.  It is definitely different from the early narratives.


    Uh, no (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:47:42 AM EST
    if he was into that he would have run into the crowd and blown himself up inflicting maximum damage. "On him" could have been carrying it in his backpack. He could have blown himself up instead of letting the police kill him too. The guy has had at least two chances to do the suicide thing and has not. So right now it is pointing against that type of thing.

    Area Map (none / 0) (#12)
    by nomatter0nevermind on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:23:32 AM EST
    This is crazy (none / 0) (#13)
    by Slado on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:27:26 AM EST
    He might have been in High School?

    Can't believe he has military training if he is in high school.

    His name is on the list of those receiving scholarships.  Has to be the same guy right?

    Link doesn't work now. (none / 0) (#15)
    by Slado on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:29:23 AM EST
    Probably being clicked ion like crazy.

    Early this morning, about 0530 (none / 0) (#14)
    by scribe on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:28:25 AM EST
    there was an interview/news conference (my station was re-broadcasting a Boston station) with one of the doctors from the hospital where the dead suspect was taken.  The doctor said:
         (a) the person came into the hospital in cardiac arrest
         (b) the doctors worked on him for 10-15 minutes (before recognizing the futility and pronouncing him dead)
         (c) he had (1) multiple gunshot wounds
                    (2) blast injuries to his entire trunk (consistent with blowing himself up with some explosive device) and
                    (3) had been run over.
         (d) the doctors don't and can't know whether the person they're working on is a victim, alleged perp, or cop, so they treat everyone equally when it comes to emergency treatment.

    speaking on TV, a schoolmate (none / 0) (#23)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 07:37:23 AM EST
    they graduated from HS in cambridge.  The friend believes the suspect goes to Amherst, is a lifeguard at Harvard.  He believes his friend had to have been led in to terrorism by someone else, never would have gone there himself.  Says he was a normal friendly kid, involved in school and with friends.

    I just heard an interview on NBC with (none / 0) (#29)
    by caseyOR on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:13:50 AM EST
    a young woman who went to high school with Dzhorkhar, the younger brother. The boy she described sounds like an all-American kid.

    He was on the wrestling team. He was kind of shy, but not a brooder. He was nice.

    What happened with this kid?


    I don't know (none / 0) (#32)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:26:38 AM EST
    like a lot of kids, after HS, he needed more of an identity than being a small fish in the huge pond of college was able to give him?  We can only speculate.

    Tameran Tsarnaev (none / 0) (#39)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:52:10 AM EST
    Looks like the older brother (none / 0) (#47)
    by Slado on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 09:55:30 AM EST
    Was radicalized

    Question is was he the ring leader and how did he get into this?


    What (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:45:42 AM EST
    that guy is writing is confusing. He's trying to tie them to an outside group yet really can't.

    This guy sounds like the Muslim version of Eric Rudolph.


    This (none / 0) (#63)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:49:35 PM EST
    it still looks like terrorism (though it could still just be a nihilist Columbine situation) but if it is its in more of the McVeigh mold than 9/11 or even Hasan.

    What this (none / 0) (#65)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:51:26 PM EST
    really reminds me of is like the SLA back in the 70's where you had a few people doing bombings and then having shootouts with the police.

    What a surprise! (none / 0) (#27)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:06:42 AM EST

    Seems the Amish aren't involved after all.


    "Amish"? No (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Yman on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 01:35:06 PM EST
    But it's silly to pretend we should just assume these kinds of attacks are done by foreigners/Muslims, particularly given the history of homegrown wingnut terrorists and/or mentally deranged attackers over the past couple of decades.

    I have at least two friends (none / 0) (#31)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:18:30 AM EST
    who are disappointed it did not turn out to be right wing tea party gun nuts. To them nothing is quite so satisfying as hating their fellow Americans.

    Heck (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:50:30 AM EST
    we don't know if they are some Glenn Beck apostle yet or not but there's nothing pointing that way right now.

    I've seen that too. (none / 0) (#41)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 09:02:51 AM EST
    Sirota's ugly little Salon piece.

    David Sirota is such an asshat (none / 0) (#79)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:14:30 PM EST
    I forget what extremist position he took that was such a turn off on dkos. Whatever it was, it's hard to be the biggest obnoxious extremist on dkos concerning any topic.

    Anyway, unless we are talking about klan activity most American terrorists are "lone wolf" types.
    What is interesting to me is that as far as Muslim terrorism goes there is a trend to people acting alone.  It is almost as if there is this message coming from the middle east, from the radical Muslim leaders "we aren't going to organize you or fund you or train you.  There is information out there to build bombs, to buy guns.  You know that western culture is evil. You want to be one of us, to be favored by Allah, then what are you waiting for?"
    The CIA and Homeland security got too good at stopping organized plots attached to the names of big players.  Freelance attacks are the order of the day now.  But people here and on facebook and in the media seem to think that means this is not "Islamic Terrorism".  To me, it is just new wave Islamic terrorism.


    I guess (none / 0) (#54)
    by P3P3P3P3 on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:09:29 AM EST
    another disappointment with the Texas DA killing

     Democrats 0 for 2

    did those Occupy Wall Street bombers get sentenced?


    There were two upsides of it being (none / 0) (#67)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:55:05 PM EST
    a McVeigh type deal-- 1st) We wouldn't need to go crazy on a crackdown on immigrants, Muslims, etc and/or go to war (the last of these would only happen if state sponsorship and/or cooperation came to light-- while Gore, Clinton, Obama, etc would have probably invaded Afghanistan if 9-11 had still occured it takes a neo-con moron to invade Iraq). 2) Fear-- if this turns out to be more than just two kooks who read an Iman online, if its actually planned in someway its a scary turn- one of the things that made Al Queda so successful as a brand was spectacular attacks, while shifting to small-scale one or two man cells is less flashy than 9/11 or the orginal WTC bombing, its also a lot harder to stop.

    Upside? (none / 0) (#78)
    by Slado on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 05:05:27 PM EST

    To be honest.... (none / 0) (#53)
    by EL seattle on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 10:43:52 AM EST
    The first thought that I had after I learned about the Boston marathon bombs was: "How long has it been since the IRA or an IRA splinter group was connected to a bombing or other terrorist act?"  

    Nah, (none / 0) (#68)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:57:08 PM EST
    they wouldn't hit Boston for the same reason Al Queda while it hates the house of Saud doesn't blow up too many princes... You don't take out your primary funding sources, and heck it would have confused the hell out of poor terrorist sympathizer Peter King.

    All of metropolitan Boston is locked down. (none / 0) (#28)
    by caseyOR on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:08:08 AM EST
    People have been told to stay in their homes with the doors locked to shelter-in-place, to not go to work or school. Businesses have been told to remain closed. Mass transit is shut down. Taxi service is shut down. The airspace over Boston is now a no-fly zone.

    All of the colleges and universities in Boston and environs have cancelled classes and told students to stay home.

    The military has joined law enforcement in Watertown.

    I don't remember an entire city being locked down so tightly before.

    Airport (none / 0) (#40)
    by nomatter0nevermind on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:52:42 AM EST
    CBS reports Logan Airport is operating.

    From Parts Unknown (none / 0) (#30)
    by nomatter0nevermind on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:16:27 AM EST
    On CBS an uncle said they are from Kyrgyzstan. That's a long way from Chechnya.

    The uncle interview (none / 0) (#35)
    by smott on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:45:36 AM EST
    Was heart breaking....they told him on air his nephew was dead....I had to shut it off.

    Who... (none / 0) (#73)
    by sj on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 02:09:24 PM EST
    ... would do that?

    Older brother (none / 0) (#36)
    by CoralGables on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:46:52 AM EST
    was the New England area 201 lb class Golden Gloves Champion in 2009 and spoke of hoping to represent the US in the Olympics someday.

    interesting captions in that slideshow (none / 0) (#43)
    by smott on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 09:11:09 AM EST
    Also interesting he had a girlfriend(the only pic where he has his shirt off)...

    The scanner people are listening to (none / 0) (#42)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 09:08:36 AM EST
    is being UStreamed here.

    The dead suspect's Amazon (none / 0) (#44)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 09:14:00 AM EST
    wish list.

    Whole lotta fake ID stuff (none / 0) (#69)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:59:23 PM EST
    but he would have been 19 or 20 when it was added so there's a pretty legit explanation.

    An ethnolinguistic map of Central Asia. (none / 0) (#45)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 09:31:19 AM EST
    SPAM (none / 0) (#48)
    by nomatter0nevermind on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 10:03:51 AM EST

    What I find disturbing (none / 0) (#49)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 10:25:10 AM EST
    is the all military equipment and automatic weapons being pointed all over the place.

    They look more like an occupying army than police on a manhunt. That's more scary than the 19 year old.

    They are looking for ONE guy.

    ABC is making out like they are looking for a battle hardened terrorist. My guess is he is a scared 19 year old who doesn't know what do to next.

    A 19 year old (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 10:36:52 AM EST
    Who most likely has weapons, is possibly strapped with a bomb, and is not afraid to kill people.

    Normally (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 01:01:35 PM EST
    I'd agree but he and his brother already killed one cop and engaged in a running gun battle in a suburban neighborhood before he smashed his way out of a barricade, all the while flinging IEDs-- I think the time for underestimating the kid is done.

    hoo boy (none / 0) (#76)
    by sj on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 04:36:09 PM EST
    it pains me to agree with this.

    What a bizarre comment. ONE guy who (none / 0) (#58)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:41:46 AM EST
    has been involved in killing, what, 6 people now? Drove a suv at full speed into a group of people (running over his own brother in the process). He sure should be scared.

    So the student who went missing a month ago... (none / 0) (#51)
    by unitron on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 10:32:57 AM EST
    ...isn't either one of these guys?

    Correct. (none / 0) (#56)
    by Towanda on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:33:31 AM EST
    That is (I hope is) Sunil Tripathi, as I recall the name.

    I don't get it. (none / 0) (#60)
    by nomatter0nevermind on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:53:59 AM EST
    What is the point of this question?

    It was speculated in many places... (none / 0) (#82)
    by unitron on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 06:57:05 AM EST
    ...that the missing student was the "white hat" suspect, although now, quite some time after I posted that, we know it not to be true, and he's still just as missing as ever.

    A little background on Tamerlan Tsarnaev, (none / 0) (#55)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:16:44 AM EST
    courtesy of the Guardian Newspaper

    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#61)
    by Peter G on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:36:17 PM EST

    I'm listening (none / 0) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:49:38 PM EST
    to the poor uncle trying to talk to reporters. He said the kids somehow got radicalized but the press is being brutal to this poor guy asking him stupid questions like does he "hate america".

    I'm watching an aunt now (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Towanda on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 01:07:47 PM EST
    and she is having media like that for lunch.

    Indeed (none / 0) (#75)
    by Yman on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 04:25:56 PM EST
    Just as it would be foolish to ignore the ideology that drove these dirtbags:

    -- July 2008: Jim David Adkisson - killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.

    -- October 2008: Daniel Cowart and Paul Schlesselman arrested in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.

    -- December 2008: "Patriot" movement radicals Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted "to attack the political infrastructure" -- kill two police officers with a bomb.

    -- December 2008: James Cummings, agitated by the election of Obama, building a "dirty bomb" in his basement.

    -- January 2009: Keith Luke - raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.

    -- February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.

    -- April 2009: Richard Poplawski, believing President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself, kills 3 police officers.

    -- April 2009: Joshua Cartwright, similarly fearful of Obama's purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies.

    -- May 2009: Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.

    -- June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.

    -- March 2010: Seven militiamen arrested for plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.

     -- March 2010: A "sovereign citizen" from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.

    -- May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.

    -- May 2010: Two "sovereign citizens" named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.

    -- July 2010: Byron Williams - attempting to attack the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, shooutout with officers wounding two.

    -- September 2010: Justin Carl Moose arrested for plotting to blow up an abortion clinic.

    And on, and on, and on ...

    None of those (1.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Slado on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 05:04:40 PM EST
    Like this attack.

    Should I list all the terrorist acts by jihadists?

    Sorry it didn't turn out the way you had hoped.


    Those people (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:17:49 PM EST
    killed just as many as these people did in Boston. Is it somehow better if the person professes to be a Muslim? Terrorism is terrorism and this particular one seems to be some sort of hybrid because they were home grown terrorists. Are you not supposed to mention other terrorism in this country?

    Terrorism is terrorism. We have a home grown problem with it and it's called radical fundamentalism whether it be Muslim or Christian. They all think that God speaks directly to them and they are doing His work.


    Reading comprehension issue? (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Yman on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 07:54:18 PM EST
    You keep accusing people of "hoping" it was a domestic terrorist.  I was doing no such thing.  My point - since you apparently had trouble understand it - was that AAA's snide comment about the "amish not being involved" was silly.  Of course no one suspected the Amish.  He then said "On the other hand it would be foolish to ignore the ideology that drove these two dirtbags" - (in his mind, presumably he meant Islam or radical Islam).  My point was that there are plenty of homegrown wingnut, radicals who have demonstrated their willingness to engage in violence over the past few years.

    Happy to help.