Saturday Open Thread

Big Tent Democrat will be posting some Superbowl things tomorrow.

I'm searching for a good fajita recipe to make for the TL kid and his girlfriend/s.o tonight. I'm also looking looking for a store that sells fresh pomegranate juice. In case I strike out, does anyone know whether you can make pomegranate juice by putting the seeds in a Vitamix?

Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Law Enforcement, A Numbers Game? (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by RickyJim on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:00:06 AM EST
    A disturbing article.  

    The only thing I find disturbing (5.00 / 4) (#40)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:36:51 PM EST
    is the number of American who are surprised by the article or the subject of it. I have known or been convinced for years that police lie routinely. They lie in police reports, they lie in court. It is SOP. I have always made a point of obtaining and reading police reports from any interaction I have had with police of my last 32 years of adulthood. They have mostly been incredible works of fiction. Even benign things like place of birth were incorrect. I had incident with the CHP where a completely different officer showed up in court and swore to the facts of the case. The facts were correct, but he wasn't the officer who was there. Yet he swore he was. My father was a cop. It was disturbing listening to the conversations and dialogue between him and his fellow officers when they were having "choir practice." Disgusting. They had no regard for the people that pay their salaries. They are nothing but a corrupt, gang of thugs.

    My friend has a son who used to be a cop, and (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Angel on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 02:14:18 PM EST
    talk about corrupt...he still had a badge he carried around and used to get free or discount meals after he was no longer a police officer.  Fast forward a few years and the guy got into real estate, got run out of the country because he ripped off the wrong people.  He's back now and he's already lost a couple of civil suits related to his real estate dealings, owes thousands to people.  Makes me wonder the kinds of things he did when he was on the beat as a street cop.  Scary.

    I am not (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Zorba on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 03:28:24 PM EST
    at all surprised by this article, Chuck0.
    And as a juror, I would not be inclined to believe the police officers over the defendant.  I am a long-time member of the ACLU, People for the American Way, Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International.  So, no, I am definitely not pre-disposed to believe the minions of the government.
    But then, I'm not sure that I would ever be chosen for a jury in a criminal case, at least, not if the prosecutor was adept during voir dire.  (I certainly wouldn't lie if asked directly, but I would not volunteer my opinions, either.)

    I, too, am a card carrying (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:09:24 PM EST
    member of the ACLU. I think that alone disqualifies us from jury duty.

    Yes, indeed (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Zorba on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:14:37 PM EST
    The prosecution would definitely not be inclined to want us on the jury.
    But, as I said, you do not have to volunteer such information.  If they ask you, do not lie.  But you are not obligated to volunteer anything that they do not ask you.

    I, too, have (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by NYShooter on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:52:22 PM EST
    a lot of personal experience with cops, both in my family and the families of many friends. I agree with the comments stated here about the frivolous mindset many (most) of them have regarding us civilians. Some of the stories they like to tell have to do with beating the crap out of bad guys. But, the ones that really get them howling in laughter are the ones where they get into a situation with some higher status, usually educated person that end up with that person having the crap beat out of them. It seems the worst violation a civilian can do is not show the proper humility and/or respect to the officer.

    I have to be careful here, and I'm ashamed to say this, but one of the cops such as we`re describing here is a very close family member. He's a poster boy for what a police officer should look like and was even awarded the prestigious prize, "Trooper of the Year," in one of our most populous states. Anyway, when these cops get together at some gathering and start telling their stories they all have a common thread. They talk as if they are stalking a deer in the woods.

    They usually begin by recalling how they stopped "Mr. Bigshot," for a minor, or non-existent, infraction. They always begin talking to the "victim" in a psychologically, over polite manner. You can see the smiles forming on the other cop's lips as they know that the  story teller is "working" the civilian to a predetermined conclusion. So, after the initial, license, registration, normal banter between the cop and the civilian the cop will ask the civilian for some obscure, or unnecessary document, or ask some silly question. The civilian, by now a little agitated, will usually respond by saying something like," what do you need that for?" The trap was sprung expertly! So, then comes, "step out of the car please." Of course, the civilian is upset by this time, and that's when the "fun" starts. Any comment, or any movement, becomes the pretext for what comes next, and you can fill in for yourselves as to what that might be.

    The problem is, tragically, and statistics verify this, that juries overwhelmingly accepts a cop's word over a defendant's. And, my biggest fear whenever I'm stopped by a cop, and asked to step out of the car, is them "discovering" a little bag of coke under my seat.


    Republican for energy independence (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:17:35 AM EST
    Well not so much.

    Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell has proposed replacing the state's gasoline tax with an increase in the sales tax and a new annual fee for hybrid and electric cars. link

    Keep those oil profits rolling in.

    Here's a thought. Maybe all those calls for "Drill baby, drill" have nothing to do with energy independence and everything to do with filling the coffers of the oil companies and campaign chests.

    Bones under a British parking lot (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by jbindc on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 10:26:23 AM EST
    Said to be those of King Richard III

    LEICESTER, England -- In one of Britain's most dramatic modern archaeological finds, researchers here announced on Monday that skeletal remains found under a parking lot in this English Midlands city were those of King Richard III, for centuries the most widely reviled of English monarchs, paving the way for a possible reassessment of his brief but violent reign.

    Richard Buckley, the lead archaeologist on a project to identify the bones, told reporters that tests and research since the remains were discovered last September proved "beyond reasonable doubt" that the "individual exhumed" from a makeshift grave under the parking lot was "indeed Richard III, the last Plantagenet king of England."


    Since at least the late 18th century, scholars have debated whether Richard was the victim of a campaign of denigration by the Tudor monarchs who succeeded him. His supporters argue that he was a decent king, harsh in the ways of his time, but a proponent of groundbreaking measures to help the poor, extend protections to suspected criminals and ease bans on the printing and selling of books.

    But his detractors cast Richard's 26 months on the throne as one of England's grimmest periods, its excesses captured in his alleged role in the murder in the Tower of London of two young princes -- his own nephews -- to rid himself of potential rivals.

    Shakespeare told the king's story in "Richard III," depicting him as an evil, scheming hunchback whose death at 32 ended the War of the Roses and more than three centuries of Plantagenet rule, bookended England's Middle Ages, and proved a prelude to the triumphs of the Tudors and Elizabethans.

    In Shakespeare's account, Richard was killed after being unhorsed on the battlefield, crying: "A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse."

    A source of pomegranate juice (none / 0) (#2)
    by christinep on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 04:24:43 PM EST
    I'd call Arash Mkt(southeast); or, Whole Foods in Cherry Crk. Arash, especially, has a large inventory of fresh fruits, juices, etc.

    Yes, you can make pomegranate juice (none / 0) (#16)
    by caseyOR on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 08:12:07 PM EST
    Watching Kansas losing at home to Ok. State (none / 0) (#3)
    by mogal on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 05:11:06 PM EST
    I can't stand it!!!

    First loss at home in 33 games (none / 0) (#4)
    by mogal on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 05:20:27 PM EST
    Kansas 80 Oklahoma State 86

    they got lucky (none / 0) (#5)
    by desmoinesdem on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 05:54:33 PM EST
    not to lose at home to Iowa State a couple of weeks ago.

    Not making fajitas, but am doing a grilled tri tip (none / 0) (#6)
    by nycstray on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 06:04:40 PM EST
    rub with cumin, chipolti (sp?), etc with some of my black beans, rice, tortillas, and (when I get back from my Mexican grocer) green salsa and a chippolti (still can't spell it!) salsa. May also do some guac, but may wait for tomorrow on that since I'll be eating this for a couple days . . .  LOVE grilled tri tip :)

    Chipotle. :) (none / 0) (#7)
    by Angel on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 06:15:51 PM EST
    From a native Texan who loves peppers and hot sauces.

    Spelling is completely avoiding me these days (none / 0) (#8)
    by nycstray on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 06:27:44 PM EST

    A few fajita recipes (none / 0) (#9)
    by Yman on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 06:30:49 PM EST
    Fajitas (Tyler Florence)

    Gold Medal Sizzling Fajitas

    Chicken Fajitas with a Yogurt/Avocado Sauce

    The Food Network site is nice because the ratings and reviews from others can be very helpful.

    yman, have you made any of (none / 0) (#11)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 06:47:49 PM EST
    them? I  am deciding between Bobby Flays and Tyler Florence. Just bought the ingredients for both.

    This may be too late for your dinner, (none / 0) (#12)
    by Zorba on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 07:00:48 PM EST
    but use Tyler Florence's recipe.  (And if you can get cumin seed, crush them yourself, although that's not entirely necessary.)

    Sorry, no (none / 0) (#13)
    by Yman on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 07:07:09 PM EST
    Fajitas I usually just wing with the things I know my wife and kids like, so I don't use a recipe.  I think as long as you don't overcook whatever meat or seafood you're using and season to your taste, it should be good.  Grilling over charcoal with mesquite would be perfect, but I use a gas grill because it's easier.  Marinate the meat as long as you can, season the vegetables well.  A fresh pico de gallo and/or guacamole make a huge difference, too - if you have time (or get some fresh at the store).

    Good luck!


    Pomegranate Molasses (none / 0) (#10)
    by koshembos on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 06:33:43 PM EST
    Pomegranate Molasses is common in the Middle East. Pomegranate are somewhat sour and the molasses adds sweetness and viscosity. In small amounts, even watered down, it serves as juice. No shortage of Middle East stores.

    Super Bowl Snacks! (none / 0) (#14)
    by Zorba on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 07:25:43 PM EST
    I am going to be making the recipe for Spicy Sriracha Chicken Wings from Food and Wine.
    Never made them before- I usually make the regular Buffalo wings with Frank's Hot Sauce and butter.
    But this sounded good to me, and we both like Sriracha Sauce.  The wings are already marinating in the fridge, in the coriander, cumin, salt, and olive oil.
    And no, we don't have wings all the time.  Only for the Super Bowl, and for at least one game of the World Series.  Otherwise, our arteries would no doubt be totally clogged!
    As for the main question:  Who do I root for?  I live in Maryland, and admit to a certain fondness for the Ravens.  OTOH, my children were born in San Francisco, so I retain a fondness for that city, as well.
    Let's just say:  Go Coach Harbaugh!   ;-)

    In honor of the New Orleans venue, (none / 0) (#17)
    by Anne on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 08:38:28 PM EST
    I made gumbo for tomorrow; will make the rice before serving.

    Also making these "hye rollers," and 7-layer dip "cupcakes."

    We're going to watch the game at the home of my future son-in-law's uncle - definitely rooting for the Ravens; have worn something purple every day for the last two weeks...

    Lightly snowing here...beautiful, glittery snow.


    I will also deep fry (none / 0) (#18)
    by Zorba on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 08:46:05 PM EST
    Some steak-fry-cut potatoes (hey, I'll already have the deep fryer filled and hot for the wings!).
    Plus a pan of brownies, for brownie sundaes, for dessert.
    Oh, yes, and a green salad.  Heck, gotta serve something reasonably healthy, after all!

    Doing an "appy" meal here (none / 0) (#20)
    by Yman on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 09:08:55 PM EST
    Warm bacon-onion dip, crustini, tomato bruschetta, grilled pork loin with a lemon/bacon aoili sandwiches, oven-fried chicken wings, cheddar/bacon potato skins, ...

    ... just realizing how much bacon is part of this menu.


    Pretty much everything tastes better (none / 0) (#21)
    by Anne on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 09:14:35 PM EST
    with bacon...or as my husband refers to it: "meat candy."

    I don't know what everyone else is bringing tomorrow; I think I'm also going to make a pan of chocolate brownies and a pan of apple blondies.

    Maybe someone is bringing raw veggies so we can say we ate something healthy, lol.

    Would love the recipe for the lemon/bacon aioli...?


    Sure (none / 0) (#24)
    by Yman on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 09:45:04 PM EST
    Haven't made it in a little while, but as I recall:

    Bacon (5-6 slices) - 1Tbsp. grease reserved
    Garlic - 1 clove
    Egg yolk
    Lemon juice (1-2 Tbsp.) and zest
    2/3 cup of olive oil (or vegetable)
    Dijon mustard - 1/2 teaspoon
    salt (1/4 tsp. or to taste)

    Cook the bacon until crisp, drain on paper towels and crumble.  In a blender/food processor, put 1 Tbsp. of bacon grease, garlic, egg yolk, lemon juice, mustard, salt and zest.   Blend until smooth, scraping down sides.  Slowly pour oil through chute while blender is running.  Stir in the bacon and refrigerate for at least an hour or two.

    You could also use an egg substitute if you don't like to use raw eggs.

    Go bacon! (and Ravens!)


    Thanks! I'm drooling a little... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Anne on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 09:50:08 PM EST
    it sounds pretty darned yummy.

    Just hoping it's a good game...the build-up is plucking on my last nerve - I just want them to play already!

    Go Ravens!


    I had (none / 0) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 07:08:04 AM EST
    a recipe for La Brea Tar Pit Wings that apparently I lost when I moved. You baked them in a concoction of soy sauce, sugar and probably some other things that I don't remember. Several times since I have wished I could find that recipe because it's not your typical hot wing.

    Sound like it? (none / 0) (#51)
    by CoralGables on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 07:50:47 AM EST
    2 pounds chicken wings split in pieces (dump the tips)
    1 cup soy sauce
    1/2 cup dry red wine
    1/2 cup plus 1 tablespoon sugar
    1/4 teaspoon ground ginger

    Rack in middle of oven, preheat to 400°F.

    Arrange wings in one layer in roasting pan. Combine remaining ingredients in saucepan and warm over low heat, stirring until sugar is dissolved. Pour over wings. Bake for 45 minutes. Turn chicken and bake until sauce is thick and sticky, about 45 to 60 minutes more.


    Yes, yes!!! (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 11:12:14 AM EST
    Where did you find that? I don't remember the red wine but all the other ingredients I do remember. Thanks!

    How is a chicken wing that is (none / 0) (#57)
    by Anne on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 11:30:28 AM EST
    roasted at 400 degrees for almost 2 hours not essentially fossilized?

    I think if I were to make this, I would reduce the soy sauce mixture in a on the stovetop until it was thickened, and then pour over wings and bake for 25 minutes, turn and bake for 20 minutes more.

    There's just no way chicken wings should be baked that long, at that temperature, in my opinion.


    In scannng the Internet (none / 0) (#59)
    by CoralGables on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 11:56:39 AM EST
    the shortest time I can find for cooking them is 45 on each side at 375. But that's an outlier with the majority at 45 minutes (or more) each side at 400.

    Many of them also say that amount of sauce will do 4 pounds of wings. Maybe the poundage depends on your tolerance for gobs of sticky gooey on your wings.


    Maybe I'll give it a try my way and (none / 0) (#60)
    by Anne on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:14:11 PM EST
    report back...

    Please do (none / 0) (#61)
    by CoralGables on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:22:54 PM EST
    all this chicken wing research is making me hungry for mastering this one.

    What it does (none / 0) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 01:53:46 PM EST
    is make a thick coating on the wings they are ooey gooey and great. You probably could short cut that whole thing with doing the sauce on the stove top but if this is the same recipe that I had, they really are not over cooked by cooking them that long.

    I lost my orange-chiffon cake recipe. I don't (none / 0) (#52)
    by Angel on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 07:54:20 AM EST
    even want to consider a replacement recipe.  ;)

    Get a quick drink of pomegranate juice by rolling (none / 0) (#19)
    by ding7777 on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 08:55:01 PM EST
    the fruit on a hard surface to break open the sacks inside the fruit.

    Make a small incision in the skin to squeeze the juice out. You can also insert a straw in the opening to drink the juice directly.

    Read more: How to Make Fresh Pomegranate Juice eHow.com

    Super Bowl Super Bowl Super Bowl (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 09:30:20 PM EST
    I will be watching Sponge Bob

    The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 09:35:13 PM EST
    Wow! (none / 0) (#25)
    by Yman on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 09:45:48 PM EST
    How goes the home renovations?

    ok (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 09:52:51 PM EST
    thanks for asking

    I been away so nothing much has happened except the destruction caused by leaving my stoner nephew in charge while I was gone.  at least he fed the animals

    also I am getting a sizable payout from a pension in a few months so I am not really doing much other than necessities since I dont want to do it half a$$ed.  I would rather live with it and do it right and all at once.

    I refused to take another industry job and decided to coast to retirement.  not easy but better than working.  so I took a part time job delivering food to elderly shutins.  I actually like it a lot.  every day I have lunch with 35 cute old people.  


    currently very deep into this (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 10:04:05 PM EST

    Help the teens and families of Youth Home build a brighter future by attending Eggshbition 2013. The evening will include a silent auction featuring egg-shaped and egg-themed masterpieces created by many of Arkansas's most talented artists. The festivities will also include hors d'oeuvres, libations, gift baskets from local merchants, and a live auction.


    more (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 10:09:06 PM EST

    and egg pics

    and no I did not do Sponge Bobs pet snail Gary


    Good to see you, Capt. (none / 0) (#31)
    by caseyOR on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 11:17:58 PM EST
    It's been awhile since you last dropped by these parts. How goes it?

    a while since I dropped by here (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:48:40 AM EST
    or anywhere else.  I tried unplugging.  I liked it.  I needed it.  virtually no internet at all for several months.  though I found it is nearly impossible to completely stay off. email is basically occasionally necessary these days.

    it helped that for some of that time I was in central america where there was often no electricity forget internet.

    nice to see you too.   and good to be back.  sort of.


    Where in Central America? n/t (none / 0) (#39)
    by Yman on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:35:56 AM EST
    had a chance to go with my cousin and (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:01:33 PM EST
    and her husband who both work for UNESCO.  we visited some parks and stuff. saw Copan. it was a chance of a lifetime sort of thing for me.  cant talk to much about it since it wasnt exactly, um, by the book. they had a trip planned with an intern/assistant who got sick at the last minute and I sort of "filled in"

    Glad to (none / 0) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 07:17:08 AM EST
    see you! We were just mentioning you and some others a while back that we had not seen recently.

    Love the recipe trading (none / 0) (#30)
    by lilburro on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 11:11:55 PM EST
    but I'm not much of a cook so you guys are making me feel lazy AND hungry.  Dammit!!

    I am bringing some fancy beer over to a Super Bowl party tomorrow to compensate for my lack of culinary skill (although I think most people are bringing store brought food or wings from elsewhere).  Some microbrews including a gluten free beer from Dogfish Head.  I'm not gluten free but a guest is.  Last Dogfish Head beer I had was amazing...the Namaste.

    Thanks for all the suggestions (none / 0) (#32)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:45:07 AM EST
    I ended up using this recipe and they were really good. The reviews sold me. But it was a lot of work, I'm not sure I'll make fajitas again. I hadn't realized you need a grill pan if you aren't going to grill outside, and had to add a trip to BBandBeyond to buy one.

    I did find the pomegranate juice at Whole Foods, and put it in the Vitamix with some lime juice, strawberries, watermelon and ice. Then I filled champagne glasses 2/3 full with champagne and added the juice on the top and it was really good.  

    Then there was salad (arugula, celery, strawberries and cucumber with pine nuts), and for appetizers, guacamole and chips,  and brie cheese with strawberries, with warm honey drizzled on top, and now I'm exhausted.

    All in all, it was a very fun evening.

    Wow, those drinks sound amazing. (none / 0) (#33)
    by Dr Molly on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:31:52 AM EST
    Definitely going to try that recipe.

    Another chapter in (none / 0) (#35)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:39:08 AM EST
    "Guns Don't Keep You Safe"

    GLEN ROSE, Texas (AP) -- Former Navy SEAL and American Sniper author Chris Kyle was fatally shot along with another man Saturday on a Texas gun range, a sheriff told local newspapers.

    Erath County Sheriff Tommy Bryant said Kyle, 38, and a second man were found dead at Rough Creek Lodge's shooting range west of Glen Rose, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and Stephenville Empire-Tribune. Glen Rose is about 50 miles southwest of Fort Worth.
    Witnesses told sheriff's investigators that a gunman opened fire on the men around 3:30 p.m. Saturday, then fled in a pickup truck belonging to one of the victims, according to the Star-Telegram.

    A guns galore, two men shot to death and the gunman escapes.

    Here's a new one: don't own a gun, and (none / 0) (#36)
    by Anne on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:50:16 AM EST
    don't want to buy one so you can commit suicide?  No problem - just go to the gun range.

    A man shot and killed himself Thursday evening at a Timonium gun shop and firing range, according to Baltimore County police spokesman Cpl. John Wachter.

    Police responded to a 911 call regarding a shooting at the Continental Arms firing range a little after 5 p.m., Thursday.

    It was determined at the scene that the man died of a self-inflicted gun shot wound. Two police cruisers remained in the upper parking lot on Deereco Road as of 6 p.m.

    There were no other injuries reported.

    Individuals seeking to rent a gun at Continental Arms must first provide a driver's license or some other form of government-issued identification. First time range shooters must also read over the rules and regulations of the range before obtaining a gun, in addition to filling out paperwork.

    Patrons are often quizzed verbally on the rules, Patch has observed on a number of occasions.

    Additionally, all ammunition used at the range must be purchased there.

    So, the evidence piles up: whatever it is people want to do, they'll find a way to do it, so let's just stop all this effort to reduce the deaths and injuries from guns, okay?  It's pointless.

    [Kind of snarking there, but you and I both know that this is the argument, and killing one's self at the gun range is proof - to the 2nd Amendment absolutists - that gun control doesn't work.]

    All those people there with guns... (none / 0) (#45)
    by unitron on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:51:56 PM EST
    ...and nobody shot the guy to keep him from inflicting gun violence on himself?

    Zero Dark Panetta: (none / 0) (#46)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:10:54 PM EST
    This morning on Meet the Press the outgoing Defense Secretary, Leon Panetta,

    said there had been many pieces to the "puzzle" solved to find bin Laden, ... "Yes, some of it came from some of the tactics that were used at that time - interrogation tactics that were used," said Panetta, ... "I think we could have gotten Bin Laden without that," Panetta added in response to a question about what the interviewer called enhanced interrogation or torture... Panetta did not elaborate on how this might have been done, but said most of the intelligence used to find bin Laden had been stitched together without resort to enhanced interrogation.

    And now, a brief message from his sponsor, Waffle House.

    Tagg Romney (none / 0) (#54)
    by CoralGables on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 11:10:39 AM EST
    considering run for Massachusetts Senate?

    I suspect more like a case of "I loved my name in the news so much that I'm considering getting it out there again". What better way to make a boring special election fun. Go for it Tagg.

    Alas I'm waiting for the, "after careful consideration, my family and I have decided the time isn't right for a Senate run although we think we could win it."

    I read they were floating Ann's name, too. (none / 0) (#56)
    by Angel on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 11:22:09 AM EST
    Moreover, I think this is more idle speculation than outright interest by either them or the GOP.

    Yep (none / 0) (#58)
    by jbindc on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 11:32:16 AM EST
    Seems like it's more from party insiders than anyone actually IN the Romney family.

    And he has since stated he won't run for the seat.


    I was close (none / 0) (#63)
    by CoralGables on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 06:50:19 PM EST
    Statement from Tagg...

    blah blah blah..., "I am currently committed to my business and to spending as much time as I can with my wife and children. The timing is not right for me".... blah blah blah

    I find it interesting when he spoke of his father running he always said "we", but when speaking of himself running it's just "me" and "I".

    A psychologist would likely find interest in him putting business before his family.


    seems now all they have is this guy (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 09:14:14 PM EST
    Psychiatrist Keith Ablow, a Fox News contributor, on Monday said he would run for the Senate seat being vacated by John Kerry (D-MA) if he didn't have to a face a primary challenger.

    will he feel the wrath of Karl?

    Rove vs the right: Who will set the direction of the GOP?

    we may need more popcorn


    Then you'd really be interested (none / 0) (#65)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 07:39:01 AM EST
    In listening to how many times Mr. Obama says how things will be good for "me" instead of "us".