Mandela, RIP

Nelson Mandela raises his fist to the crowd in Port Elizabeth, April 1, 1990.  REUTERS/Juda Ngwenya   (SOUTH AFRICA) - RTR1KVPW

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    Truly (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by Peter G on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 05:58:37 PM EST
    one of the greatest of the greats.

    Without compare, Mandela was (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 06:02:05 PM EST
    the greatest leader of my lifetime. I remember exactly where I was the night of his first public speech after he was released from prison on 2/11/90 (in a cab, on the way to a gig), listening to his speech over the radio, feeling enormous hope, admiration, and gratefulness.

    Two friends of mine met him numerous times through their work in Africa. I was always envious of them.

    He was a phenomenal man who changed the world. RIP.

    One of the great men (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by MO Blue on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 06:07:21 PM EST
    of our times. RIP

    Living a life full of purpose and inspiration (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by Politalkix on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 06:35:14 PM EST
    A beautiful epitaph by another great... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by gbrbsb on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 10:37:47 PM EST
    What he said (5.00 / 5) (#5)
    by Politalkix on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 06:47:23 PM EST
    "Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping it will kill your enemies"
    -Nelson Mandela

    The lesson of forgiveness (none / 0) (#9)
    by christinep on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 08:42:07 PM EST
    We won't see another... (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by desertswine on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 06:55:12 PM EST
    like him soon, nor will we ever forget..

    "The life of the dead is placed in the memory of the living."

    Marcus Tullius Cicero

    One of the most humbling places ... (5.00 / 6) (#7)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 07:03:38 PM EST
    ... I've ever visited in my life was Robben Island in Table Bay, eight miles off the city of Cape Town. We were there three years ago.

    To imagine what Nelson Mandela endured on that rock for over two decades, sleeping on the cold cement floor of a prison cell that was no wide enough to accommodate a prone grown man, was sobering indeed.

    He had every right to emerge from captivity an angry and vengeful man, yet he proved himself to be one of the most forgiving leaders of this or any generation.

    His calming and reassuring presence, even in retirement, will be greatly missed by all South Africans. We should say a prayer tonight for that country, as it navigates its way through the post-Mandela era.

    Aloha, Madiba, me ke aloha pumehana.

    Unless I'm imagining it, (none / 0) (#12)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 10:37:23 PM EST
    I believe I recall you writing about it here.

    One of his persecutors (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by jondee on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 07:22:48 AM EST
    Mrs Thatcher-Pinochet, was memorialized here awhile back as well..

    This is getting a little confusing..


    Out of politeness (none / 0) (#16)
    by Politalkix on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 08:45:48 AM EST

    but history is an impartial judge!


    The History (none / 0) (#18)
    by Politalkix on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 09:19:42 AM EST
    Some selections from History (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by jondee on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 10:35:06 AM EST
    singled out by a less than impartial process..

    The facts also are that she branded the ANC "terrorists", opposed any economic sanctions on the Apartheid regime, and pushed for Mandela's release only after he'd been in prison for how long?


    Republicans (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by MKS on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 02:55:40 PM EST
    who are praising Mandela on Facebook are receiving pushback from commentators....Mandela was a Communist, etc.

    Trying not to spoil... (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 03:05:03 PM EST
    the American love fest by thinking about how the CIA were the ones who dropped the dime to the SA secret police in 1962 that got Mandela locked up.

    Apartheid's useful idiots (none / 0) (#36)
    by Politalkix on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 11:28:52 PM EST
    And why am I (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 04:03:22 PM EST
    not surprised?  Too many people in the Republican Party have gone completely off the rails.
    I'm old enough to remember a time when Republicans and Democrats could actually work together on certain things.  Not always, and not without occasional rancor, but still, nothing like it is now, with the Republicans absolutely intent on obstructing every single thing that any Democrat proposes, even if it was a Republican idea from years ago, in the first place.  
    It has gotten really ugly.

    "Ugly" is the operative word (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by shoephone on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 04:14:25 PM EST
    when describing the current GOP.

    Mz. Zorba, (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by NYShooter on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 12:45:36 AM EST
    I remember John Wayne giving an interview, I think JFK was the President at the time, and the question had to do with why Wayne, an unabashed, hard right wing Republican, was saying some supportive things about the Democratic President? His answer was like, "I'm a Republican, I didn't vote for him, but, the time to complain was at the voting booth. And, since we get only one President at a time, this time belongs to John Kennedy. He stopped being a Democrat the minute the last vote was counted. Then, he became my President, and, yours. And, as such, he deserves the support of every single American, not every single Democrat."

    I know that's not an exact quote, but it's a pretty close translation of what he said. I know, and remember it so vividly because it just made me feel so proud. Yes, this was the America we emigrated to, the America we asked to join as citizens.

    And, you know something, Z? The politician that can get that message out there is the politician that Americans will follow.


    When (none / 0) (#39)
    by Mikado Cat on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 04:05:49 AM EST
    all you need is 51%, the focus goes to getting 51% and nothing else.

    Even Ted Cruz praised him on his FB page (none / 0) (#32)
    by shoephone on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 03:08:57 PM EST
    and is getting scores of really sickening comments.

    oh nooo! (none / 0) (#37)
    by NYShooter on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 12:25:25 AM EST
    Ted Cruz is a closet Socialist?

    Jeez, I think he got only 13 minutes. Even Limbaugh can't save him now.


    Decades in prison, much in solitary (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by scribe on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 08:38:46 PM EST
    Branded a terrorist - by his country's government, the United States' and others;
    Tortured - probably;
    Vilified by Republicans and Conserva-Dems;
    Viewed as a threat to the moneyed interests that ran the country for their own benefit;
    He came out of prison to take his nation through the transition from minority white oligarchic rule to multiracialism.

    The transition was not without bumps and bruises, but there were no great bloodletting, no retribution, no organized revenge on the former oppressors.

    One of the great ones, indeed.

    Tata on Bapu,... (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by gbrbsb on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 09:10:00 PM EST
    or the words of one great humanist about another... link

    And from what is for me... (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by gbrbsb on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 10:27:06 PM EST
    ... another great and "entrañable" SA humanist, "The prophet of tolerance", by Archbishop Desmond Tutu (The Independent)

    A truly great man. RIP. (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 11:27:23 PM EST

    Blessed are the peacemakers... (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 09:17:04 AM EST
    and this world has been blessed by the presence of Nelson Mandela.  

    27 years in a dungeon, and not a spec of hate in his heart.  It truly is a wonder, and a testament to the very best the human spirit is capable of.  

    Actually, he admitted to hate (5.00 / 7) (#23)
    by Towanda on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 11:43:37 AM EST
    because of the imprisonment, torture, and more.

    He was not a saint.  He felt hatred, bitterness, and all of the entirely human reactions.

    But, he said, he battled within himself -- and often, and always -- to conquer the hate.  

    That's the lesson, the legacy.


    He was a saint... (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 11:48:30 AM EST
    because peace and love won that battle within himself.

    NYT (Bill Keller): (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 10:29:26 AM EST
    NYT (personal reflections of bureau chiefs (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 10:32:59 AM EST
    assigned to Johannesburg over the years):



    Believe it or not... (5.00 / 6) (#22)
    by Dadler on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 11:10:59 AM EST
    ...As some of you know, my mother and I managed to bury our demons two days ago, after decades of pain and nonsense imposed on us by abusive men. But yesterday, when Mandela passed, it was also the day my mom's latest little documentary, SHOSHOLOZA, about marginalized villagers in South Africa no less, was feted at a banquet with a little award (such the coincidence!). As one of the writers on it, I got piece of hardware, too. (This has been my mom's way, in the absence of the real healing we just had, of reaching out to me the last few years, asking me to help on her films.) She's flying the trophy up here in a few weeks. I think Nelson Mandela may have blessed more people, in more places, than he could've known. What a couple of days.

    R.I.P, Mr. Mandela. A little Ladysmith Black Mambazo for your journey. Peace. (link)

    Is your mom directing? Producing? (none / 0) (#25)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 11:56:06 AM EST
    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, viol. 209 (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Dadler on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 11:57:18 AM EST
    Mandela has helped me forgive (5.00 / 6) (#27)
    by Dadler on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 12:10:21 PM EST
    My first stepfather. I have forgiven a man who all but ruined me as a child, who beat me, verbally assaulted me, told me I was worthless, became a religious fundamentalist, even decided one day that David was a "sinner's name" and started calling me Paul. Trust me, as a child, this will drive you insane. I remember screaming at whomever would listen, "Make him call me my real name!"

    And I have forgiven this man in the last few days somehow. When I NEVER thought I could ever forgive him. But he was raised in the deep south as a black man, endured his own hells, and me and my mother unfortunately had to suffer because of it. But we all suffer as people, as mortals in this brief coil we keep tight in our hands (to bastardize Willy Shakes a Spear). I have forgiven him because I cannot allow his abuse to have that power anymore, or to define who he was, because there were times, very early in our relationship, that I can manage to muster a sweet memory from. And since he is the father of my brother and sister, there is no choice. Love has to prevail, or we as people will not.

    Sorry, emotional time for me. Thank you Nelson Mandela!!

    Peace, y'all.

    A good time to re-read (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by christinep on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 12:24:38 PM EST
    the poem "Invictus" ... the poem said to have inspired and sustained Mandela.

    So true (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Peter G on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 10:40:09 PM EST
    I am the master of my fate:
    I am the captain of my soul.

    Dadler: During this transformative time (none / 0) (#29)
    by christinep on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 12:26:29 PM EST
    it may hold special meaning for you.

    RIP (none / 0) (#40)
    by Mikado Cat on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 04:17:47 AM EST
    I hope rewriting history isn't too intense, someday I would like to know more about SA and all the forces at play in changing it. The views I get from most media seem to differ greatly from people I have met that lived in Africa. It has enough complexity that I don't think outsiders fully grasp what goes on.

    SITE VIOLATION - SPAM (none / 0) (#42)
    by MO Blue on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 12:06:54 AM EST

    Where is the next Mandela? In a prison cell. (none / 0) (#43)
    by Peter G on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 09:32:53 AM EST
    An exceptionally good blog entry by Will Bunch (his blog is called "Attytood" (which parodies a Philadelphia accent)) on the site of the Philadelphia Daily News.