Saturday College Football Open Thread

The picks (2 units unless otherwise indicated): LSU +13 over Alabama, San Diego State +7 over San Jose State, Arizona -1 over UCLA, Fresno State -9 over Wyoming, Army +6 over Western Kentucky, Kansas State +3 over Texas Tech, Texas -6 over West Virginia, Pittsburgh +4 over Notre Dame, Virginia Tech +7 over Miami (Florida), USC -17 3 units over California, Nebraska +7 over Michigan, Missouri -14 3 units over Kentucky, Navy -17 over Hawaii, Texas A&M -19 3 units over Mississippi State, Wake Forest +35 over Florida State, Utah State -14 over UNLV, Tulsa +17 over East Carolina, Wisconsin -8 over BYU, Minnesota -3 over Penn State, Auburn -8 4 units over Tennessee, North Carolina State +10 over Duke.

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    LSU over Alabama? (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 08:45:33 AM EST
    Good Lord Almighty don't say that in my neighborhood unless you have your sneakers on and seek some cardio.

    He's got 13 points (none / 0) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 09:15:46 AM EST
    if it's close, he doesn't care who wins.

    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 182 (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 08:52:37 AM EST
    My theory about Ayn Rand (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by jondee on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 10:44:59 AM EST
    is that she was a deep cover Soviet agent, like Vonnegut's character Howard Campbell in the book Mother Night..

    Her handlers were probably like: "I don't know, would the Americans take a lunatic like that seriously? Won't they suspect something's awry?" ;-)



    I'd buy that theory (none / 0) (#29)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 04:03:21 PM EST
    Her handlers were probably the most miserable cats of all. She woulda busted their nads with that hammer, then sliced them off with the sickle. Just the arguments over her per diem had to get ideologically abusive.

    She was apparently (none / 0) (#46)
    by jondee on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 01:28:40 AM EST
    an amphetamine freak..

    While her latter day acolytes on Wall St blot out the body's signals relating to risk and danger with nose candy and anti-anxiety meds..


    Anxiety meds? (none / 0) (#53)
    by Dadler on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 10:39:17 AM EST
    Effing babies, I need 'em way worse. As for the coke, I hear the hedge fund guys call it Southhampton Dandruff.

    Set to scale (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by CoralGables on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 09:25:12 AM EST
    Cool. (none / 0) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 04:25:38 PM EST
    Sort of amazing how personal perceptions of size and scale can be warped quite significantly over time.

    I remember when airlines introduced modern B737 aircraft on transcontinental and west coast-Hawaii routes about a decade ago, people wondered how such small planes could cover such a long distance.

    Then when I saw the 737-900 juxtaposed to scale against the old pioneering B707 -- which if we recall was the transcontinental and overseas jet aircraft of choice from 1955-72 -- I was surprised to note that the 737-900 is actually the bigger aircraft of the two in terms of length, wingspan and engine size, and further operates at 50% more horsepower.

    That said, I still prefer to fly on widebody aircraft when traveling on flights of five hours or more. At least you can walk around to stretch your legs, which you can't necessarily do on a B737 or A320.

    I've only been on two cruise ships in my life, up the Alaska panhandle and then from Long Beach to Ensenada and back, so I have no idea how to rate them in similar terms of preference. I'll say one thing about modern cruise liners, though -- when one of those monstrous ships docks out here at Aloha Tower, its sheer size dominates the downtown waterfront. The amount of ballast they have to carry to stay upright and steady must be enormous.



    Pew Research, November 8th (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Edger on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 09:32:12 AM EST
    Obama's Second-Term Slide Continues
    65% Disapprove of his Handling of Economy
    The latest national poll by the Pew Research Center, conducted Oct. 30-Nov. 6 among 2,003 adults, finds that Obama's second-term job ratings have followed a similar downward trajectory as those of his predecessor, George W. Bush.
    Since Obama's first year in office, his job rating has been above 50% on only a handful of occasions. His rating last December (55% approve, 39% disapprove) was his highest since September 2009 (55% approve, 33% disapprove), with the exception of a brief spike after the killing of Osama bin Laden in May 2011 (56% approve, 38% disapprove).

    Since December 2012, Obama has lost the most ground among independents: Currently, only 32% of independents approve of his job performance while 61% disapprove. In December, 53% approved and 39% disapproved.

    Obama's current rating among independents is only slightly higher than Bush's in November 2005 (29% approved).

    Gee, with low approval ratings congress will feel (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by ruffian on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 04:34:04 PM EST
    free to block his 2nd term agenda.

    Oh, wait....


    Omigod! (none / 0) (#26)
    by NYShooter on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 03:55:26 PM EST
    If he doesn't do something quick his re-election may go down in flames.

    Give him time. (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Edger on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 04:03:17 PM EST
    He's only been in office five years, after all. Any day now he'll run into a phone booth and change into SuperProgressiveMan.

    I know this is a problem (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by jbindc on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 10:47:12 AM EST
    freep.com? (none / 0) (#17)
    by DFLer on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 01:01:19 PM EST
    Seriously?  yikes

    What's wrong with it? (none / 0) (#21)
    by jbindc on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 01:23:06 PM EST
    It's the Detroit Free Press - the liberal paper in Detroit.

    sorry - I was thinking freepers (none / 0) (#40)
    by DFLer on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 07:47:54 PM EST
    When I see a link from there... (none / 0) (#39)
    by sj on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 07:26:27 PM EST
    ...I think "freepers" too, but that's not their website. Free Republic as actually at free republic dot com.

    You mean a law (none / 0) (#19)
    by ragebot on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 01:19:18 PM EST
    against bozo pols

    My uncle had a Philippine macaque. (none / 0) (#49)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 04:05:40 AM EST
    He got it as a pet when he was stationed at Subic Bay, and brought it to the U.S. when I was 14 years old when he was transferred back. That monkey was a thoroughly disagreeable creature and just a mean SOB. He used to make these angry-awful noises at me and masturbate furiously whenever I walked by his cage, which I thought was very funny at the time.

    I know now that it was meant as a sign of aggression toward me, because he perceived me as a threat. He lit into me one day when he got loose from my uncle, and I still have the 2-inch-scar on my lower left calf where he bit me right through a pair of jeans an took a chunk of flesh, which subsequently required six stitches to close.

    As I learned, monkeys generally are temperamental animals, easily annoyed and quick to anger, and for that very reason they do not make ideal pets. I certainly wouldn't oppose that proposed law.

    (Incidentally, that photo in the linked article is of a squirrel monkey, and not a spider monkey as it was labeled.)



    All I can say is (none / 0) (#61)
    by Amiss on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 08:36:52 AM EST

    Huffington (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by desertswine on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 11:39:12 AM EST
    has a nice little collection of 15 old photos that have been colorized. I like the one of Walt Whitman best I think.

    I was just looking at that too (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 04:30:53 PM EST
    I liked the Walt Whitman too, also the Mark Twain. Seeing those familiar black and white images in color has more of an impact than I would have thought it could.

    The color (none / 0) (#38)
    by desertswine on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 07:24:36 PM EST
    makes them look more "real" somehow. I don't know if that makes any sense.

    Except for Elizabeth Taylor's 1956 photo. (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 03:28:46 AM EST
    They made her bright green-eyed with the colorization, when she was renowned for her deep violet blue eyes.

    sure it makes sense, (none / 0) (#54)
    by DFLer on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 11:04:58 AM EST
     as we see our world in color.That's our reality.

    The Hawaii State House of Representatives ... (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 05:02:51 PM EST
    ... passed SB 1 HD1, Relating to Marriage Equality, late last night by a 30-17 margin, after nine rowdy days of contentious public hearings, floor debate and parliamentary maneuverings.

    The bill now returns to the State Senate, which has already indicated its intent to agree to the House amendments.

    Gov. Abercrombie said that he expects to sign the measure into law by as early as next Tuesday, making Hawaii the 16th state in the country to legally recognize same-sex marriage, and the second in one week (after Illinois).

    The issue of same-sex marriage is now on the verge of coming full circle in the islands, two decades after the Hawaii Supreme Court first ruled in favor of three gay couples who filed suit in circuit court (Baehr v. Miike, 1993) seeking marriage licenses in the state.

    Baehr v. Miike served as the very first judicial indication of support for the concept of same-sex marriage anywhere in the entire country, and Congress subsequently passed the Defense of Marriage Act in direct response to that particular ruling. DOMA was struck down as unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court last June.


    Poll (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 05:12:06 PM EST
    of over 11,000 tea party members and here's the synopsis: link

    The poll shows how (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by MKS on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 02:04:21 PM EST
    socially conservative the Tea Party is.  They love Santorum.  They want to ban abortion and oppose immigration reform.

    I do not believe it really is about deficits....


    It's not (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 02:49:18 PM EST
    James Carville's organization did an extensive examination of the tea party and the GOP base in general. They generally hate everybody who isn't some aging Caucasian evangelical. All I can say about a lot of this is the GOP has reaped what they have sown.

    It may sound weird, (none / 0) (#83)
    by NYShooter on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 12:32:49 AM EST
    but, my belief is that most of the Tea Party members, the rank & file members that is, have NO political agenda. It's the idea of being a member of an organization, that universal desire to "belong" to a group that drives most of them.
    I've read studies about this phenomena, and it makes a lot of sense. Look at gang members for example. As a group many of them are vicious, violent, and grossly anti-social. But, if you isolate one of them, engage him/her in some heart felt conversation, and, you'll see an entirely different picture of who that person is.

    I saw this one report that was really fascinating. It was done at a correctional facility for really bad-azz young folks. Not to be very specific, but, some of the crimes they were convicted of would turn your stomach. In other words, they were not there for pot possession.

    Anyway, the study consisted of a group of these thugs being compelled to congregate in a room, and forced to watch hour upon hour of 50's, 60's type of family tv programs. You know the kind: "Ozzie & Harriet," "Father knows best," "Leave it to Beaver," and, so on. Naturally, when the programs first started there was a lot of hooting & hollering, cat calls, hissing.....get the picture?

    But, after a while, after they had gotten all the hostility and bravado out of their systems, the room became quiet. In the dark, as the camera zeroed in on those young faces, the kids were seen watching the tv with an intensity, and concentration, that was startling. Then, after their compulsory 3-4 hours of watching this schmaltzy fare was up they were given a choice as to what they wanted to watch. Almost without exception they wanted to continue watching "Donna Reed, My 3 brothers, etc." They could have chosen NCIS, Wrestling, horror shows, whatever, but, they wanted to keep watching those seemingly canned, made-for-tv, "perfect" family programs.
    So, what's the point? What was the lesson to be learned from this experiment? The lesson was that at its base, at its core, all people have the same desires. We all want to be loved, to be part of a loving group.......to just "belong."
    And, that's true in the military, in clubs & organizations, in schools, and..................in political parties.

    Back in the 60's, during the Hippie days, how many of the thousands of kids who congregated in those huge get-togethers did so purely out of "stop the war" feelings? Or, "end racial segregation now?" sentiments. Or, "peace, love, and brotherhood," expressions? Sure, some did, maby even many did. But, how many were there because it was one helluva party....sex, drugs, and rock `n roll, baby!

    We just wanted to have a good time, to belong. The war, racism, freedom were really good catalysts to justify what we were doing...........Party!
    And, in my humble opinion, The Tea Party is no different.


    Please don't mistake my irreverent description of those days. All those issues I mentioned were extremely important, and, our involvement in them changed the world forever, and for the good. I served two terms in Viet Nam, marched with C.O.R.E. in college, and fought like hell for racial, gender, and sexual equality just because it was the right thing to do. The fact that I had some fun along the way doesn't diminish the other things one iota.

    I'm just pointing these things out because I know there are people out there who study comments with nuclear microscopes to try and find something that can be taken out of context and used to try and denigrate the intent of the comment. For those people, "screw you." For those who "get" what I'm saying, thank goodness there are more of you than them.


    Sorry, but the Tea Party is very different (none / 0) (#84)
    by shoephone on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 12:51:12 AM EST
    Regardless of wanting to "belong" to something or just have an excuse to party, Tea Partiers are some of the most hateful, bigoted, willfully ignorant people I have ever met. And believe me, I have the sorry occasion to be in close contact with some of them, on an ongoing basis.

    They are about repression and destruction. Anti-war protestors and civil rights protestors from the 60's and 70's were not destroyers.


    That was fascinating (none / 0) (#42)
    by sj on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 09:31:30 PM EST
    The Republicans are really reaping what they sowed when they unleashed the Rush Limbaughs and Glen Becks and the other loudmouth wingnuts onto the air waves. I don't think this is quite what they were planning.

    If it's true that the Tea Party makes up half the Republican party it could really mean the collapse of the GOP. That sends the mind spinning.

    Would the dissatisfied left wing of the Democratic Party take note? I believe Dem leadership would be gleeful and know they take the "where else are they going to go" position as default. But if a lot of the left-wing are tired of "lesser of two evils" they might not be so easily handled. But if so, they are way behind the curve, hmmm...

    I wouldn't say the possibilities would be endless, but there would be possibilities.

    Need input. More input!


    The problem (none / 0) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 06:39:51 AM EST
    for the GOP is not only that 1/2 are tea partiers but that that 1/2 comprises 3/4 of the people who vote in primaries. People talk about Krazy Ken getting nominated but honestly I think if the GOP had had a primary in VA the results would have been the same.

    I don't buy that 50% (none / 0) (#58)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 06:56:01 AM EST
    of the Republican Party are Tea Partiers.

    I think since this was a survey of people who identify with the Tea Party, that's not a surprising number.

    But 60 million people voted for Mitt Romney - I HIGHLY doubt 30 million of them are Tea Partiers.

    That's not to say the party doesn't have it's issues. And if they don't care about winning, well, that's all well and good - they will soon vote themselves out of existence because no one will support (financially or with votes) candidates who absolutely cannot win. It might take a few elections, but if all the Tea Party does is get more Democrats elected, well, good for us and bad for them.

    That study is using data that's at least a year old. And, while not completely conclusive, please remember that the Tea Party went down in flames last week. For example, the fact that Cuccinelli's own camp and the Tea Party supporters are blaming the loss on the lack of support from the "establishment" shows what happens when the "establishment" finally says "You are too insane."


    Plenty of Tea Partiers (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by jondee on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 08:02:51 AM EST
    are going to let "lesser of two evils" thinking guide who they vote for the same way so many left-progressives with some reluctance voted for Obama.

    The problem for Republican moderates is that the Norquistian "drown the government in a bathtub"
    ethos has taken root in the party like an irrational article of faith, and in a country still going through a lot of economically induced angst the fact that Republicans still talk as though any part of the safety net is fair game terrifies people even more.


    Well (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 07:41:37 AM EST
    those are the facts that studies have shown. Why would you doubt that 30 million of them were tea partiers? I don't find that outside the realm of possibility.

    Well, yes, eventually they are going to vote themselves out of existence BUT they really do not realize how the rest of the country thinks they are nuts. They only listen to talk radio and Fox for their news. Anything outside of that they consider the "liberal media" and is not to be trusted. The only ones telling the truth are their own media sources.

    Here's the thing though. You are thinking LIKE an establishment Republican NOT like a tea partier. You have to understand that they are not rational.  They think that Cuchinelli was not conservative enough or that he did not stand up enough for conservative values or that he was a bad salesman for conservative values. Take your pick. They do not care about winning senate seats or anything. They would rather have a democrat in the senate than a "fake" republican.

    You see them blaming the establishment is the same mindset that the establishment has towards the tea party. So they both are aiming their guns at each other and right now I would imagine that the tea party candidates have much better funding via Freedom Works and Heritage than establishment ones do.


    You base your views (none / 0) (#63)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 09:19:22 AM EST
    on what you see in in the South - which I imagine contains plenty of crazy. But I don't think that's representative of ALL Republicans.

    And I think a survey of Tea Partiers from 2011 and 2012 data is going to show a strong support for Tea Party ideas and candidates, but I don't know how that necessarily translates to the folks who just go about their business and do not feel strong urges to answer surveys, or wear period costumes to rallies.  


    No (none / 0) (#66)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 11:57:04 AM EST
    I am basing it on the facts and what tea partiers say in the south is no different than what tea partiers all over the country say. Heck, I even know one tea partier who is an ex-pat who lives in Canada for pete's sake and he's no different than any other tea partiers. The tea partiers have a whole network that runs across the nation and funding. I really don't think you know what is going on.

    Look at the numbers. There might be MORE tea partiers in the south but they are all over the country. Look in CA where a birther ran for office. She might not have won but she got a lot of votes didn't she?

    There are plenty of polls to support all this information. Apparently you want to ignore it but that's okay. You'll see the guns aimed at each other big time when the 2014 season kicks off.

    Those people who go about their business are the ones that are unlikely to show up and vote and GOP primaries first of all and that is where the tea party nuts gain their strength.


    Well (none / 0) (#67)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 12:23:56 PM EST
    You could be right, but I also know plenty of Republicans who hate the Tea Party, don't really like to watch FOX News, and they definitely vote.

    Tea Partiers might get votes in elections, but they don't win. Their status has been diminishing since 2010.  Right now they seem to be everywhere because that's all the media can focus on - they are setting up for a showdown and are willing to give blowhards like Ted Cruz a microphone.  This is an invented phenomonen. Thye aren't focusing on run-of-the-mill people because those people are boring and don't make for good TV.

    It doesn't matter how many times you want to keep saying it, it is still way too early to say with any kind of certainty what will happen in 3 years, especially when it comes to presidential politics.  The "experts" said the Republican Party was dead in 2008 - they were wrong.  

    This is fruitless conversation to have, as there's no use running around with our hair on fire screaming "Ooh!  The Tea Party is coming!"


    I don't think it matters (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by NYShooter on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 12:40:54 PM EST
    what the exact number of actual Tea Party members there are. The fact is that the Tea Party controls the Republican Party, and, most Republicans vote the way the TP want them to vote.
    How's that saying go, "six of one, half dozen the other?"

    The Tea Party (none / 0) (#69)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 01:38:36 PM EST
    does not control the money.

    We're already seeing how fast it's drying up for Tea Party candidates.


    They don't (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 02:43:54 PM EST
    need to control the money. They have their own sources of funding like the Senate Conservative Fund, Freedom Works and Heritage. The establishment might control the actual national party money but it doesn't matter because like I said the tea party has their own money.

    And yet (none / 0) (#74)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 02:55:44 PM EST
    Senate Conservative Fund, Freedom Works and Heritage
    went 0 for 3 last Tuesday.

    So? (none / 0) (#76)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 05:23:23 PM EST
    I keep telling you they DON'T care. You don't seem to understand. They would rather lose with someone they like than win with someone the "establishment" puts up. They've put in enough wins in their minds to keep going.

    At least the Republicans around me think (none / 0) (#77)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 07:04:54 PM EST
    Feel and act exactly how you describe.  I can't speak for other regions of the country, but here they would rather lose with Cruz or maybe Perry or probably still Santorum than win with Christie.

    the thing (none / 0) (#78)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 10:59:18 PM EST
    Is there are numerous focus groups etc that back up these facts. It is not just your area or mine. Jbindc lives in one of the very few parts of the country where there are still some moderate republicans left. And they all hate chris christie.and probably the moderates will hate him too oncethey find out the first thing he did after getting reelected was roll tom kean jr a well respected moderate under the bus. I just dont think tony soprano could win a national election or even the gop nomination

    Actually, no I don't (none / 0) (#81)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 06:00:28 PM EST
    Most Americans live in Purple America

    Of course, it's true that Americans aren't of one mind on many political issues.  But it is important that we not look at these maps and infer that we are so politically polarized by geography.  In fact, most Americans live in places that are at least somewhat politically and ideologically diverse -- even if that's not reflected in how congressional district boundaries are drawn.   In terms of the most important driver of political choices -- partisanship -- most of us live in a purple America, not a red or blue America.

    NY (none / 0) (#71)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 02:40:02 PM EST
    is right. As you saw with the government shut down, the tea party has control of the GOP with the exception of a few. Even the reps that were not in complete agreement with the tea party were afraid to go against them.

    On the contrary (none / 0) (#75)
    by jondee on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 03:33:38 PM EST
    a lot of people couldn't be happier that the Tea Party is slowly putting the torch to the Republican Party.

    Could you be (none / 0) (#82)
    by NYShooter on Wed Nov 13, 2013 at 11:25:07 PM EST
    a little more specific as to who these, "...lot of people [who] couldn't be happier that the Tea Party is slowly putting the torch to the Republican Party[?]

    Liberals, Progressives, and, Democrats, of course.

    But, who else?

    I know there are many Republicans who are happy that The Tea Party seems to be "going down." But, that thought stays tightly locked up in their heads and, they wouldn't dare express their joy publicly.


    I really don't understand why it appears, (none / 0) (#62)
    by Amiss on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 08:53:47 AM EST
    at least to me, that so many Tea Partiers, unless it
    profits them in some way, appear to hide the fact they are in the Tea Party. Or, am I wrong?
    Been back in hospital, again, going on 3 weeks, and I get some confusion at times.
    Sure have missed you all tho!

    Oh no! (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by sj on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 11:39:08 PM EST
    I hope you're doing better. Take care of yourself.

    Right wing populist surge in Europe (1.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Politalkix on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 11:49:31 AM EST
    but their right wing wants more government

    Wow, putting money on San Diego State (none / 0) (#2)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 08:51:04 AM EST
    The Aztecs have never had such a quality bettor on their side.

    And I see the Sun Belt conference in there. Now THAT's a player.

    Good luck today, Tent.

    Have to say (none / 0) (#5)
    by ragebot on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 09:17:21 AM EST
    Wake +35 may not be such a good call.

    Noles up 35-0 (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by ragebot on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 11:53:49 AM EST
    with around 13 minutes left in the second quarter.  Looks like they will cover.

    Noles up 52-0 (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by ragebot on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 01:21:37 PM EST
    midway in third quarter.  Definitely looks like taking the points and Wake was not a good bet

    Wake and +35 not a good bet (none / 0) (#22)
    by ragebot on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 02:24:50 PM EST
    FSU wins 59-3

    Hard to beat FSU when they have a pick 6 and a scoop and score.


    Yikes (none / 0) (#12)
    by jbindc on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 11:49:43 AM EST

    Back in the mid sixties (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Edger on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 11:59:47 AM EST
    when I was about 12 my dad took me to a Chicago Blackhawks exhibition game at the Washington DC arena.

    We were sitting about 4 rows up from the boards at center ice when one of Bobby Hulls famous slapshots barely cleared the boards, bounced off my stomach doubling me right over and probably would have broke something if it had hit bone, and was then caught by a guy a couple of rows behind us, who gave it to me.

    I took it down to Bobby Hull when he was back on the bench, and got his autograph on it.

    Had it till I was about 20 and then it disappeared in a move one time.


    Amazing (none / 0) (#15)
    by jbindc on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 12:02:20 PM EST
    Truly - that ou weren't hurt worse.

    Oh yeah (none / 0) (#16)
    by Edger on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 12:07:40 PM EST
    A little higher it could have hit me in the face, which did happen to another spectator later in that game. A shot went over the boards and split his forehead wide open.

    This was before they started adding glass barriers on to of the boards...


    I dunno Edger (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 08:21:19 PM EST
    That's proof that the brain is located in the stomach.



    More challenges ahead (none / 0) (#18)
    by jbindc on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 01:15:28 PM EST
    for Obamacare

    Under the health-care law, premium billing and tracking will be even tougher. There are hundreds of prices across each of the thousands of plans in the federal marketplace. Having enrollees pay partial premiums, and the IRS issue tax credits for the rest, means twice as much billing. Calculating subsidies based on personal income tax filings also creates security issues: In addition to the problems with verifying consumers' identities online, which have created delays on HealthCare.gov, tens of thousands of unlicensed "navigators" are fanning out across the country to help folks enroll. Many of these people don't have to submit to thorough background checks, although they will gain access to personal financial information. And consumer protections for low-income enrollees who miss payments require complex notifications over 90 days before an insurer can end coverage.

    Even when the Web site is fixed, these challenges will remain.

    In Massachusetts, we received about 100 visits to the site for every one enrollment. If the tens of millions of hits for the federal exchange in October eventually translate into millions of customers, the accuracy of the enrollment data -- and insurers' ability to correctly split premium billing between millions of enrollees and the IRS; track premium remittances; and chase, reconcile and report on accounts receivable -- will be tested under the pressure of high volume. If insurers cannot track and collect premium dollars each month, the extra work of doubling back with customers and insurers will frustrate consumers and delay coverage. And a mounting backlog could eventually compromise the fiscal integrity of the exchange.


    Because the exchange makes it easy for consumers to compare premiums and other features of one health plan against those of another, by next autumn they will be able to see premium increases, state by state and congressional district by district. The insurance shopping season is scheduled to open on Oct. 15, 2014 -- 20 days before the midterm elections.

    Why is this an immediate challenge? Because the hundreds of insurers offering plans on the federal exchange will begin pricing for 2015 in just a few months. Their chief financial officers should be sweating bullets about the obstacles that HealthCare.gov's glitches have put in the path of enrollees. Fortunately, October was an early shopping month, mainly for browsing and for those who are sick and highly motivated to get coverage. It wasn't an important month for enrolling the "young invincibles" -- uninsured young people who don't think they need health care -- who will subsidize older, sicker enrollees. But the longer HealthCare.gov remains clogged, the more young invincibles will be discouraged from joining. If that happens, enrollment in the 36 states using the federal exchange will resemble small, high-risk insurance pools composed mainly of the sick -- potentially causing premiums to soar in 2015.

    They already do (none / 0) (#24)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 03:22:48 PM EST
    If that happens, enrollment in the 36 states using the federal exchange will resemble small, high-risk insurance pools composed mainly of the sick -- potentially causing premiums to soar in 2015.

    That's what the individual market already is now, thanks to Obamacare.  It's a very expensive Cadillac high risk pool.  Yes, it's going to get worse.  However, the fact that it's already a high risk pool is what made the premiums soar.  With few exceptions, it is not that people had junky plans that are being replaced by new good plans.  The new Exchange plans are far junkier than the old ones, higher premiums, copays, deductibles.  The only ones who get decent copays and deductibles are the folks between 139% and 250% of the poverty line.  And pretty much NOBODY on the Exchanges gets a good doctor/hospital network.


    Thank you, jbindc, for the WP article link (none / 0) (#25)
    by christinep on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 03:45:32 PM EST
    This J. Kingsdale article is good ... it is helpful to read the outlook and cautions of one who has dealt with the expected challenges (albeit on a state level.)

    Two things stood out for me: (1) The billing complexity which he described, especially as compounded by such diverse projected customers.  (2) The reminder that the process will be more like "a marathon than a sprint."  He seems to present a clear-eyed view born of experience.


    JV Team pulls off great trick play (none / 0) (#23)
    by CoralGables on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 03:09:37 PM EST
    jbindc (none / 0) (#27)
    by CoralGables on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 04:01:54 PM EST
    Some very legitimate info on provisional ballots being verified has Obenshain's lead down to 22. With Monday being a holiday the final tally isn't due until Tuesday.

    Wherever (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 05:01:46 PM EST
    the count comes out on Tuesday I'm sure there still won't be a winner because I'm sure either one of them is going to ask for a recount.

    With such a narrow margin, ... (none / 0) (#35)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 05:05:43 PM EST
    ... I'd like to think that a recount would be mandated by Virginia law.

    No Automatic Recount (none / 0) (#37)
    by CoralGables on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 05:12:33 PM EST
    But it will surely take place regardless of the determined winner on Tuesday.


    § 24.2-800. Recounts in all elections.
    B. When there is between any candidate apparently nominated or elected and any candidate apparently defeated a difference of not more than one percent of the total vote cast for the two such candidates as determined by the State Board or the electoral board, the defeated candidate may appeal from the determination of the State Board or the electoral board for a recount of the vote as set forth in this article.

    § 24.2-801. Petition for recount; recount court.

    The petition for a recount of an election, other than an election for presidential electors, shall be filed within 10 days from the day the State Board or the electoral board certifies the result of the election under § 24.2-679 or § 24.2-671, but not thereafter. The petition shall be filed in the Circuit Court of the City of Richmond in the case of any statewide office

    No auto recount with a 22-vote margin? LOL! (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 03:21:34 AM EST
    "Forget it, Jake - it's the Confederacy."

    Down to 17 votes now (none / 0) (#57)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 06:47:28 AM EST
    Probably won't have a winner before December.

    And now, the Dem's up by 117. (none / 0) (#80)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 12, 2013 at 03:28:43 PM EST
    How can one NOT do a recount of the votes in this race?

    ... out of an ACC championship game re-match with Florida State, stinkin' up the joint at home tonight in an ugly 42-24 shellacking at the hands of Virginia Tech.

    No. 21 Central Florida (7-1) continues to control its own destiny in the American Conference (formerly the Big East) with a thrilling 1914 win over Houston. If the Knights win out, they'll clinch the conference crown and with it, an automatic BCS bowl bid.

    The USC Trojans continue to actively solicit athletic director Pat Haden to give interim head coach Ed Orgeron the job on a permanent basis, with a 62-28 win at California. The Trojans are now 7-3 overall and 4-1 under Orgeron, and host No. 6 Stanford at the Coliseum next Saturday in what could be a very interesting matchup.

    And Florida (4-5) is now in serious danger of suffering their first losing season in ages, having lost to Vanderbilt at home for the first time since 1945, 34-17. The Gators now have to win two of their final three games against No. 13 South Carolina, D-1AA Georgia Southern and No. 2 Florida State to become bowl eligible.


    UF has more trouble (none / 0) (#44)
    by ragebot on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 11:46:59 PM EST
    than just missing a bowl.  My brother's wife graduated from UF and says Muschamp will be fired before the next game and for the rest of the year the head coaching position for each quarter will be auctioned off to the booster offering the most money.  The proceeds will be used to hire a new coach.

    The U (none / 0) (#45)
    by ragebot on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 11:48:44 PM EST
    is still suffering from FSU knocking the slobber out of them last week.  Not trying to defend them but their best RB suffered a broken ankle at the hands of the FSU defense last week and they are a little short handed.

    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#56)
    by shoephone on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 10:07:13 PM EST

    Well, here's one way to win an election (none / 0) (#64)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 10:01:17 AM EST
    White politician convinces voters he's black.

    But a caveat:

    Just how much a role Wilson's mailers played in the campaign is unclear. Other incumbents running for re-election were forced into runoffs, perhaps because the community college system has come under intense criticism for insider business deals and spending money on overseas initiatives. And after 24 years in office, Austin's name should have been somewhat familiar to his constituents.

    "I suspect it's more than just race," says Bob Stein, the Rice University political scientist and KHOU analyst. "The Houston Community College was under some criticism for bad performance. And others on the board also had very serious challenges."

    Austin has said he plans to ask for a recount. But in an era of electronic voting, political analysts said Wilson's victory will probably hold and send him into office for a six-year term.

    Anchor Down (none / 0) (#65)
    by Slado on Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 11:22:15 AM EST
    BTD,  I was in Gainesville to witness my Commodores winning there for the first time since the 40's.

    It was a lot of fun to say the least.