Saturday College Football OpenThread

The picks (last week 15-5 ATS, +25 units): USC +4 over Stanford, Rice -16 over Louisiana Tech, Boise State -23 over Wyoming, Auburn -4 5 units over Georgia, Cincinnati +1 over Rutgers, Texas +3 over Oklahoma State, Iowa State +24 over Oklahoma, Ohio State -33 over Illinois, Michigan State -7 5 units over Nebraska, Navy -7 over South Alabama, Kentucky +13 over Vanderbilt, Kansas State -10 over TCU, Houston +16 over Louisville, Indiana +24 over Wisconsin, Troy +28 over Mississippi, Purdue +22 over Penn State, West Virginia -7 over Kansas, Michigan +3 over Northwesten, Oregon -28 3 units over Utsh.

This week's Amato and Armando Show is a comedy of technological and other errors. You'll be laughing at us not with us:

Uh, Go Gators!?!

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    USC to cover, eh? (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 09:04:37 AM EST
    I think Stanford's D is going to pummel them, but we'll see. That I'm a Bruin at heart and loathe USC, well, that's just a coincidence. ;-)

    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 189 (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 09:06:47 AM EST
    Metaphor for...... many things, actually (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Edger on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 09:30:48 AM EST
    Well, you wake up in the mornin', you hear the work bell ring
    And they march you to the table to see the same old thing
    Ain't no food upon the table, and no pork up in the pan
    But you better not complain, boy, you get in trouble with the man

    Let the Midnight Special shine a light on me
    Let the Midnight Special shine a light on me
    Let the Midnight Special shine a light on me
    Let the Midnight Special shine a everlovin' light on me

    You revisionist really bother me (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by ragebot on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 11:12:18 AM EST
    Let's hear it for Lead Belly (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Peter G on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 03:30:00 PM EST
    love that big twelve-string sound

    If you're wondering (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by Edger on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 10:55:58 AM EST
    what that rumbling noise and ground vibration was, it was just the world ending in Seattle, yesterday...

    SEATTLE (AP) -- Seattle voters have elected a socialist to city council for the first time in modern history.

    Kshama Sawant's lead continued to grow on Friday, prompting 16-year incumbent Richard Conlin to concede.

    Even in this liberal city, Sawant's win has surprised many here. Conlin was backed by the city's political establishment. On election night, she trailed by four percentage points. She wasn't a veteran politician, having only run in one previous campaign.

    But in the days following election night, Sawant's share of the votes outgrew Conlin's.

    "I don't think socialism makes most people in Seattle afraid," Conlin said Friday.

    While city council races are technically non-partisan, Sawant made sure people knew she was running as a socialist -- a label that would be politically poisonous in many parts of the country.

    I didn't find it that surprising (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by shoephone on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 01:45:50 PM EST
    Seattle has a growing socialist contingent, due to the the fact that the city is now a city for the rich. It's basically unaffordable for working people to live there (the reason why I had to move just north). Plus, just like in the mayoral race, where so many people are just sick of McGinn, I think a lot of people are just tired of Conlin, (though personally, I found Conlin to be a lot more accessible to constituents than some of the other city councilmembers).

    Sawant's challenge now is to prove she's not just a p*ssed-off critic, and can persuade at least four other councilmembers to vote her way on legislation. Otherwise, she's going to find herself on the losing end of a lot of 8-1 votes, and not much will change with city policies.

    She ran a great grassroots campaign that resonated with the majority of voters.


    Let's hope she's the real thing (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Edger on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 03:42:25 PM EST
    and a the seed of a forest of the real thing.

    Interesting added feature of this election: (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by shoephone on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 10:15:47 PM EST
    Seattle finally voted to make city council seats districted, rather than have all nine at-large, as they have been forever. This is an issue I've been pushing for many years and had planned to sponsor, until I moved out of the city limits. Someone else got it on the ballot, and it passed! Starting in 2015, seven of the nine candidates will each have to run from only one of the new districts, and actually represent a bona fide constituency, rather than skating on the same old pablum, and they'll have to do it with smaller funds.

    I'm not sure which neighborhood Sawant lives in, but in two years she will have to run again (as opposed to four, a full term). If she proves her mettle by then, she will probably have an easier time winning than she did this year.


    Sheesh...! The rumbling was just a big sinkhole. (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by EL seattle on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 07:15:43 PM EST
    Granted, the sinkhole might have been caused by the combination of Sawant's election and the apparent passage of the $15.00 min. wage thang in Sea-Tac, but those two events themselves were probably just side-effects of the massively total and unexpected collapse of the Sounders (Seattle's MLS team) during the last weeks of their season a couple of weeks back.  

    Fortunately, the landmark Rainier "R" is back, sort of. So things around Seattle should be settling down pretty soon.


    Since I seem to be into birthdays lately... (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by desertswine on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 11:38:20 AM EST
    Today is video game designer Shigeru Miyamoto's birthday.

    His games have been seen on every Nintendo video game console, with his earliest work appearing on arcade machines. Franchises Miyamoto has created include Mario (the best-selling franchise of all time), Donkey Kong, The Legend of Zelda, Star Fox, F-Zero, Pikmin, and the Wii series. Noteworthy games include Super Mario Bros., a pioneer of the sidescrolling genre; Super Mario 64, a pioneer of 3D control schemes; The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, which is widely considered the greatest game ever made; and Wii Sports, the best-selling game of all time. He currently manages the Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development branch, which handles many of Nintendo's top-selling titles.

    I can't believe he's only 60. In his free time, he likes to rearrange furniture. Hey, thanks for all the fun.

    Keep it indoors, please (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by jbindc on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 11:40:34 AM EST
    with the windows closed

    Recreational marijuana is legal in Colorado. But that doesn't mean residents want the air to smell like a pot rally. Denver is getting more calls to enforce an odor ordinance that can impose a buzz-killing fine on violators. To find them, the city relies on a device called the Nasal Ranger.

    And that's where licensed smell investigator Ben Siller comes in. A member of Denver's Department of Environmental Health, he's trained to use an olfactometer to determine if people are breaking laws that protect the purity of Denver's air.


    In Denver, the scent of marijuana would have to be very strong -- exceeding a level of detection when one volume of the scented air is combined with seven volumes of clean air -- to trigger a formal response and possible fine.

    Siller tells the Post that it's been nearly 20 years since anyone broke that threshold. A violation could bring a fine of up to $2,000, Denver's ABC 7 News reported this summer.

    I'm with them (none / 0) (#11)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 02:26:29 PM EST
    I'm so-so happy that pot was legalized in WA.  But I seriously hate the smell.  And it's everywhere.  Parking lots, neighborhood streets.  The worst was when I went hiking to a gorgeous waterfall and all I could smell was the pot all over the place.  Ticked me off.

    Since I quit partaking years ago, (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by shoephone on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 03:14:19 PM EST
    I must admit, I still love the aroma--as long as it's the sweet aroma, and not the skunky smell of so much of the bud these days.

    I'll say one thing for pot's aroma. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 03:23:56 PM EST
    It sure beats the smell of tobacco.

    That's not saying much (none / 0) (#19)
    by jbindc on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 03:35:39 PM EST
    Although I don't mind the smell of cigars.

    Cigars? Wow! (none / 0) (#23)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 04:41:07 PM EST
    Now, that's a gross stench that not only reeks, but permeates!

    We have a next-door neighbor in our office building who smokes cigars, outdoors thankfully because we're a N/S indoor environment. He's actually a very nice man, but quite frankly, he always smells like a walking ashtray.

    When you get into an elevator from which he's just alighted, the lingering stale aroma is pungent. And if he's in the same elevator with his office mate who smokes unfiltered Camels (they frequently take smoke breaks outside together), those two can make your eyes water on the ride up.

    Just speculating here, But I think the primary reason why you don't like the smell of pot is because 90% of the product that's sold on the east coast is skankweed which has been smuggled in from Mexico and the Caribbean, often been sealed in airtight plastic for weeks on end before it hits the street. OTOH, Hawaii and the Pacific Northwest are renowned for the delectability of their herb, and most of what's sold on the street is fresh product.

    This is a questionable analogy, but I think of it as the difference between enjoying a fresh spinach salad as an adult, and staring at my dinner plate as a four-year-old at the pile of steamy, soggy dark green slop which came from the inside of a Green Giant can. I grew up hating spinach as a result, and never considered trying it again as fresh produce until my mid-twenties.

    When a plant product is sealed for Lord only knows how long, it eventually takes on an entirely different aroma and taste, than what it would otherwise were it served fresh.

    That probably explains why you don't mind the small of certain cigars, because you live closer to the root source of tobacco products. Given where I live, I've never smelled fresh tobacco, but I bet it probably has a much cleaner smell than the stuff that's found in cigarettes and most of the store-bought cigars you're going to find out here.



    Very interesting (none / 0) (#61)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 06:16:54 AM EST
    I don't want to sit in a room with cigar smokers, but I don't mind when I pass one of the cigar bars here in town and the smell is coming out.  But I can even smell cigarettes when someone in the car ahead of me is smoking, and it comes through the vents, it's really disgusting.

    I can't be within 20 feet of cigarette smoke (none / 0) (#35)
    by shoephone on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 10:05:36 PM EST
    Makes me totally nauseated and headache-y. Which makes sense, since it actually kills you, unlike pot.

    Pot smoke (1.00 / 2) (#51)
    by ragebot on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 08:31:11 AM EST
    is bad for your lungs, same for tobacco smoke but it is worse.

    I was a college student in the 1960s but have not smoked pot or a cigarette in more than 20 years.  I don't really have a moral objection to legal pot.  In fact I am more of a libertarian in terms of wanting fewer laws not more.

    But let's not act like smoking anything is good for you.


    Reading comprehension (none / 0) (#58)
    by shoephone on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 01:27:25 PM EST
    Where did I say "smoking pot is good for you"?

    Oh, that's right. I didn't.

    What I said was that smoking cigarettes will kill you, pot won't. Millions of people have died from cigarette smoking. If you have stats proving people have died from smoking pot, go ahead and post them. And make a bigger fool of yourself than you usually do. Otherwise, take your trolling, conservtive raggy sh*t and stuff it.


    Hmmmmmmmmm (none / 0) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 01:38:19 PM EST

    Has anyone died from smoking pot

    There are 0 deaths attributed to people dying per year from a marijuana overdose. About seventy people die a year while high. People have died from the indirect causes of marijuana such as lung cancer. Lung cancer is found more in patients that smoke the plant matter directly than people that use a vaporizer. The amount of people that die from smoking cigarettes still overshadows the amount of people that die from marijuana.


    BTW - Pot smoke has tar in it. Tar causes cancer. Would a non cigarette user smoke enough pot to cause cancer?

    I dunno and I don't think anyone does.

    But common sense says don't put things in your lungs that cause cancer.

    That said, smoke all you want with my blessing.



    Me, too (none / 0) (#12)
    by jbindc on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 02:30:27 PM EST
    It smells gross.

    I was sickened (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by lentinel on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 08:08:57 PM EST
    to read about a condemned man who was hanged in Iran.

    When his family went to collect him after the execution, they found that he was still alive.

    So, the Iranians took him to a hospital where they said they would get him back to health, and then hang him again.

    I thought about those freaky clerics. Yuch.

    Yesterday, I saw a film on tv called, "Honk". It was about capital punishment in America...
    And guess what...
    A man who had been exonerated by the Innocence project (with help from the FBI) told of his 23 years on death row in Oklahoma.

    The one thing he said he would never get over was what happened to a fellow denizen of death row. On the day of his execution, he took a massive overdose of drugs to kill himself. He was found comatose, taken to a hospital, stomach pumped, and two hours later was taken to an execution chamber and killed. They saved his life so that they could kill him.

    Sometimes, our ethics are scarily similar to the countries we feign to condemn.

    However, to show we're an advanced, (none / 0) (#45)
    by NYShooter on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 03:49:01 AM EST
    considerate civilization, we always follow correct protocol like swabbing the condemned man's arm with alcohol before inserting the needle carrying the lethal poison.

    Exactly. (none / 0) (#49)
    by lentinel on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 07:44:20 AM EST
    Can't have any infections.

    Very thoughtful.


    If I"m sure about anything (none / 0) (#46)
    by jondee on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 06:52:15 AM EST
    I'm sure that the death rows are full of many who've fully internalized the Heritage Foundation's eye-for-an-eye, social darwinist paradigm..

    Aside from all those on death row who were wrongfully convicted, that is


    Those are terrible stories lentinel... (none / 0) (#47)
    by fishcamp on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 07:27:14 AM EST
    oh, it's your name that auto correct turns into lentil...funny.

    Lentil (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by lentinel on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 07:45:35 AM EST
    is OK.

    Dana Priest & William Arkin (5.00 / 5) (#33)
    by Edger on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 08:57:36 PM EST
    write in Top Secret America: A Washington Post Investigation, of...

    A hidden world, growing beyond control

    The top-secret world the government created in response to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has become so large, so unwieldy and so secretive that no one knows how much money it costs, how many people it employs, how many programs exist within it or exactly how many agencies do the same work.

    These are some of the findings of a two-year investigation by The Washington Post that discovered what amounts to an alternative geography of the United States, a Top Secret America hidden from public view and lacking in thorough oversight. After nine years of unprecedented spending and growth, the result is that the system put in place to keep the United States safe is so massive that its effectiveness is impossible to determine.

    The investigation's other findings include:

    • Some 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States.

    • An estimated 854,000 people, nearly 1.5 times as many people as live in Washington, D.C., hold top-secret security clearances.

    • In Washington and the surrounding area, 33 building complexes for top-secret intelligence work are under construction or have been built since September 2001. Together they occupy the equivalent of almost three Pentagons or 22 U.S. Capitol buildings - about 17 million square feet of space.
    In the Department of Defense, where more than two-thirds of the intelligence programs reside, only a handful of senior officials - called Super Users - have the ability to even know about all the department's activities. But as two of the Super Users indicated in interviews, there is simply no way they can keep up with the nation's most sensitive work.

    "I'm not going to live long enough to be briefed on everything" was how one Super User put it. The other recounted that for his initial briefing, he was escorted into a tiny, dark room, seated at a small table and told he couldn't take notes. Program after program began flashing on a screen, he said, until he yelled ''Stop!" in frustration.

    "I wasn't remembering any of it," he said.

    ...MORE (7 pages more...)

    On the other hand, we knew all of this, 46 years ago, For What It's Worth

    We better stop
    Children, what's that sound?
    Everybody look - what's going down?

    Feel safer now? (none / 0) (#64)
    by Edger on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 01:54:52 AM EST
    So, uhhhmmm... on top of all that, a Guy Builds Ten Weapons With Products Purchased After Getting Through Airport Security, including a crossbow, a remote detonator, a slingbow, a "remotely triggered incendiary suitcase," a shotgun, a spiked club, a pewter slug and a blowgun.

    Of course the "war on terror" has always ranked right up there with the two party scam and been a  bullsh*t con game sold to gullible rubes anyway, and really has always been a war on you.



    Saw a great movie today (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by shoephone on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 10:03:13 PM EST
    "Enough Said" starring Julia Louis-Dreyfus, James Gandolfini, Toni Collette, and Catherine Keener. Best thing I've seen in months. How rare to see a movie written by adults for adults.

    Can't wait to see it, in my Netflix queue. (none / 0) (#56)
    by Angel on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 10:07:22 AM EST
    I've read that James Gandolfini was fabulous, so sort of a bittersweet goodbye to him.  

    Inside Llewyn Davis (none / 0) (#62)
    by jondee on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 06:36:32 AM EST
    the Coen brothers new one about the folk music scene in Greenwich Village in the early sixties looks really, really good from the trailers I've seen..

    Final: USC 20, No. 4 Stanford 17. (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 10:28:49 PM EST
    Oregon caught a very big break tonight, thanks to a gutty performance by the Trojans, and once again controls its own destiny in the Pac-12 North.

    A depressing (5.00 / 3) (#57)
    by lentinel on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 10:25:15 AM EST
    article appears today in the NYTimes about the unfair effects of climate change upon nations who are the least responsible for it.

    The unspeakable disaster in the Philippines is the most recent example.

    Major polluters, like ourselves, are announcing that they will assume no financial burden to compensate those most injured.

    The United States and other rich countries have made their opposition to large-scale compensation clear. Todd D. Stern, the State Department's envoy on climate issues, bluntly told a gathering at Chatham House in London last month that large-scale resources from the world's richest nations would not be forthcoming.

    Mr. Stern explains:

    "The fiscal reality of the United States and other developed countries is not going to allow it," he said. "This is not just a matter of the recent financial crisis. It is structural, based on the huge obligations we face from aging populations and other pressing needs for infrastructure, education, health care and the like. We must and will strive to keep increasing our climate finance, but it is important that all of us see the world as it is."

    Notice the blame is squarely placed on our "aging population" - those old mfkrs - semi-existent "healthcare" (paid for in large part by citizens, not the government), non-existent "infrastructure" (oh yes. The New York Transit system is a glowing example), education (no comment) "and the like". (Whatever "the like" is.)

    Nowhere mentioned is the multi-billions or trillions squandered on wars and weapons. No. It's the fault of old people and greedy citizens clamoring for the good life - like public transit, public schools and healthcare.

    When Obama came into office, one of his first acts was to attend the climate control conference in Copenhagen. There were high hopes around the world for this "not-Bush" new Kennedy. Hopes were dashed extremely quickly as the new Kennedy showed his lack of commitment to combating global warming and his unswerving allegiance to powerful vested interests.

    In an era where we need courageous leadership, we have a rowboat of fools.

    Geithner joins Warburg Pincus (none / 0) (#6)
    by Politalkix on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 11:23:31 AM EST
    Warburg Pincus is a private equity firm


    "The merchant of modest" (none / 0) (#7)
    by Politalkix on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 11:31:43 AM EST
    The 1-9 Owls drove 80 yards down the field late in the game for TD and 2-pt. conversion. But UCF responded in only 40 seconds to tie. Win or lose, it's been an inspired Temple effort against the heavily favored Knights.

    Final: No. 17 Central Florida 39, Temple 36. (none / 0) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 03:21:40 PM EST
    Good teams will find a way to win. The Knights scored ten points in the final 70 seconds, including the game-winning 24-yd. FG as time expired. Sorry, Temple, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

    Given four close calls in their last five games, which were all literally won in the final 60 seconds, nothing's a given for this UCF team. But the 8-1 Knights continue to hold their BCS fate in their own hands, hosting Rutgers on Thursday night. If they win out (closing with road games at South Florida and SMU), they clinch the American Athletic Conference crown outright and are probably in either the Orange Bowl or Sugar Bowl. But they'll have to earn it.

    I'd keep an eye on this high-wire act from Orlando these last three weeks of the regular season.



    GO DUCKS... (none / 0) (#15)
    by fishcamp on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 03:19:11 PM EST
    new uniforms again too...

    New for the Ducks (none / 0) (#20)
    by CoralGables on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 03:40:22 PM EST
    but tonight the Rainbows go old.

    Won't help 'em, though. (none / 0) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 04:45:48 PM EST
    This year's Hawaii team is bad. It's not that they're not trying hard, because they've given USC, Oregon State and Fresno State a serious run before falling in the 4th quarter. They're just not very talented.

    6:18 4Q:Hawaii 21, San Diego State 14. (none / 0) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 12:44:20 AM EST
    Maybe the 'Bows should go retro more often. They're playing the Aztecs very tough tonight, and taking the fight to them.

    0:00 4Q: Hawaii 21, San Diego State 21. (none / 0) (#41)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 01:09:40 AM EST

    Final: San Diego State 28, Hawaii 21 (OT). (none / 0) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 01:17:40 AM EST
    The hard luck continues.

    Not usually into "meme photo" things (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 04:04:09 PM EST
    because most are so simple minded, but there's a pretty good one floating around facebook lately that says...
    "I'd rather have Frank babysit my children than George, since Frank has molested less children than George."

    "Sure the supermarket sells poisoned food, but all the other markets sell it too - they need to stay competitive."

    "Yes I know the guy I'm seeing is a rapist, but what am I supposed to do? STOP DATING!?!?"

    This is literally what you sound like when you claim you voted for lesser evil.

    9:25 3Q: Duke 28, No.23 Miami 27. (none / 0) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 04:59:06 PM EST
    Two thoughts here:

    • Always beware the Ides of November, i.e., those six- and seven-win teams who are still in contention for a conference title, and who aren't paying any attention to Kirk Herbstreet's repeated contentions that they're really not supposed to be here.

    • Florida State's 41-14 win over the Hurricanes two weeks ago is looking less impressive with each of Miami's subesequent quarters.

    Not really (none / 0) (#26)
    by CoralGables on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 05:03:06 PM EST
    Have you seen the Noles today? They're beginning to make the Ducks offense look pedestrian.

    'noles (none / 0) (#27)
    by ragebot on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 05:26:06 PM EST
    offense looks big, fast, and skilled.  'noles defense looks bigger, faster, and more skilled.  Huge difference between 'noles and Ducks is the kicking game.  The FG would have been good from 60 yards out.

    Maybe (none / 0) (#28)
    by ragebot on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 05:29:08 PM EST
    I spoke too soon.  'cuse just kicked a FG and closed the gap to 59-3.

    Who were they playing? (none / 0) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 08:15:37 PM EST
    Syracuse (5-5). And next up, Idaho (1-9).

    Florida State will be in the BCS championship game if they win out, which is highly likely at this point. They are an outstanding team.

    But quite honestly, with three weeks to go, the ACC looks increasingly overrated as a whole, i.e., FSU and the eleven dwarfs. And this year's Seminole schedule is not exactly stacking up as one of the more challenging slates among the present Top Ten teams; their final four scheduled opponents have a collective win-loss record of 14-26.

    Further, given that both the ACC and SEC are 12-team conferences, their members really should be playing 9-game conference schedules like the Pac-12,  Big 10 and Big 12, rather than eight. That one less conference game has proved a distinct advantage in securing late-season poll positions, allowing FSU to schedule a cupcake dinner of Idaho Vandals next week, while Alabama is no doubt quaking in their boots at the prospect of facing UT-Chattanooga.

    There's a good game on ABC right now, with Stanford having its hands full at Southern Cal, down 17-7. Trojan AD Pay Haden may have already found his next head football coach in interim coach Ed Orgeron.



    ACC in flux (none / 0) (#52)
    by ragebot on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 08:46:17 AM EST
    I understand your nine game v eight game argument but lets keep in mind Maryland is leaving next year and L'ville and 'cuse are joining the ACC and ND is an associate member.  Not sure of the details but seems like associate member means ND wants to keep its TV revenue but get all the other benefits of being in the ACC.

    I also suspect other conferences will face similar problems in terms of members joining and leaving.  Also keep in mind that UF got grief when the SEC went to nine games and UF dropped the U which was a popular rival game.

    You may not be giving the ACC its props.  Clemson will mostly likely wind up 12-1.  Until Stanford lost the Orange Bowl projection was Oregon v Clemson and I would have loved to see that game.  I have not seen a better QB/WR combination than Boyd/Watkins.  Certainly  Watkins will be the first WR in the draft and Boyd will be a high pick as well.  Not sure any other college team will have a lower total of QB/WR draft pick.

    FSU was good enough to shut down that combination.  One thing that impressed me most about yesterdays games was the long FG FSU kicked yesterday.  No question FSU has a better kicker than Oregon.  I can still remember the old Big Eight days and the term Oklahoma and the seven dwarfs.


    Final: Duke 48, No. 23 Miami 30. (none / 0) (#32)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 16, 2013 at 08:20:17 PM EST
    It's official: the wheels have come off the Hurricane bandwagon. Meanwhile, the surprising 8-2 Blue Devils now control their own destiny in the ACC Coastal Division.

    Sun Devils beat the Beavers 30-17 (none / 0) (#48)
    by fishcamp on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 07:32:44 AM EST
    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#39)
    by shoephone on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 12:09:55 AM EST
    SPAM. And a very poor job of it.

    Yesterday had the best football games so far (none / 0) (#53)
    by ragebot on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 08:54:20 AM EST
    I really enjoyed watching the Auburn UGa game.  I am not a fan of either team but the end of that game was entertaining.  If you have not seen the catch here is a link

    The SC/UF game was closer than I expected and there was excitement at the end.  The UCF/Temple game was maybe the most exciting game of the day and had a real one handed circus catch.

    Yesterday was a great day to be a football fan.

    Two DB's for Georgia (none / 0) (#55)
    by CoralGables on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 10:01:11 AM EST
    playing for a stat instead of for a win.

    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 190 (none / 0) (#54)
    by Dadler on Sun Nov 17, 2013 at 09:31:07 AM EST
    He's fantasizing. She's plotting. This could get ugly. (link)

    Vol. 189
    Vol. 188

    Go Niners & Chargers! Now get to church, you heathens.

    spam (none / 0) (#60)
    by Edger on Mon Nov 18, 2013 at 04:02:23 AM EST