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I think the JonBenet Ramsey grand jury indictment is a non-story -- previously covered many times. The DA knew better than to go forward on it.

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    And all TLers in the Atlanta area (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Dadler on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 01:50:19 PM EST
    My brother-in-law is once again touring with the legendary Sergio Mendes, and they are gigging in the ATL this Saturday night at 8 p.m. with fellow Brazilian Elaine Elias. Get your tix and be there. (link)

    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 06:50:13 AM EST
    wish I could go. Good luck to your brother.

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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 168 (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Dadler on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 08:29:49 AM EST
    I cannot possibly enjoy the Met HD (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 10:54:51 AM EST
    of "The Nose" w/o first knowing BTD's college football picks!

    My French guests and ACA... (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 11:00:34 AM EST
    They say France and most of their European friends are closely watching our rollout problems.  Their health care rollout began just after the end of WWll and took 15 years to iron out most of the problems.  They still have continually changing problems and we Americans should not be so hasty to complain about our messed up rollout.  I've got one of them reading TL now on my other 'puter.        

    They also said most of their meds and fertilizer comes in big blocks from China and are then pressed into pills and put in bags marked made in France.  Now the Chinese have stopped exporting much of these products because they need them for their own people.  The French don't have enough manufacturing companies to meet their new needs so their health care is once again in shambles.  They just left to go snorkeling but I'll have more to follow.
         

    No need to worry, America's health insurers (none / 0) (#51)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 11:55:54 AM EST
    are hiring money counters.  Wellpoint has raised profit projections for the third quarter in a row.  Yee Haw!

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/chi-nsc-despite-glitches-obamacare-profit-windfall-to-2013102 6,0,1087355.story

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    Informative comment about (none / 0) (#53)
    by christinep on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 12:04:32 PM EST
    France and its earlier healthcare start-up challenges.  Maybe a deep breath is in order here as we work through challenges associated with major change in the insurance/healthcare field.  

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    You (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by lentinel on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 06:07:24 AM EST
    are prone to say things like, let's take a deep breath when these sorts of nightmares occur, and criticism is leveled at the administration for their incompetence or indecision.

    It is easy to say.

    But, for example, we read of people in California whose insurance is being canceled because it does not meet the new standards - and they are mandated to buy new policies at double the price or more.
    I repeat. They are mandated to buy insurance at at least double the price.

    Advising them to take a breath is not going to make them feel any better or help them make ends meet.

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    What (3.67 / 3) (#68)
    by lentinel on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 10:10:15 PM EST
    fishcamp said about the French system is pure hokum.

    I have several friends who live in France.
    Their medicines are made by the same manufacturers as American medicines. There is no shortage.

    The main difference is that they do not get gouged when they pay for them. The prices are extremely low, and even that is usually reimbursed by their system. Often, they present their health card at the pharmacy, are given their medicines with no charge, and they are on their way.

    There is no need to bash the French system as a means of making us feel not so bad about the messy beginning of our own system.

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    My French friends maintain (none / 0) (#73)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 08:23:07 AM EST
    that China exports drug components to France but who really knows what happens after that.  He did say you are absolutely correct about just going to the pharmacy and picking up your drugs with no money or problems.  The first part of my comment was the important part.  That being how long it took for the French universal health program roll out to work.

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    BTW lentinel... (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by fishcamp on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 07:42:20 AM EST
    I wasn't in any way bashing the French regarding their health program because it was a Frenchman who told me the story.  I was merely pointing out that it can take a long time for some countries health programs to iron out the kinks at the beginning.                           Also my French friend has a large company that supplies fertilizer and Ph chemicals to 56 golf courses from Morocco to Sweden and he buys tons of special fertilizers that had previously come from China.  The "word" from his importers is China is sending drug components to France.  Your friends, my friends...who knows the truth?  ;)

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    Hey, fishcamp! (none / 0) (#90)
    by Zorba on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 03:04:00 PM EST
    How did your tzatziki sauce turn out?  Inquiring minds want to know.  Or, at least mine does.      ;-)

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    Mme Z, I learned something new (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by vml68 on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 02:16:31 PM EST
    thanks to you.... :-)

    You mentioned Kolymvari olive oil the other day, so I decided to look for some to try. Found out that Kolymvari is a region not a type of olive! The olives they use for olive oil are the koroneiki variety and I always have a bottle of that on hand. I use the Minerva Orio brand. Will try the Terra Crete brand next time.

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    Kalamata is both (none / 0) (#113)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 09:44:56 AM EST
    a city and a type of olive.
    Greece has a variety of olive oil producing regions, and a variety of olive types.  Each region produces oil with different qualities, and there are lots of arguments over whose region produces the best olive oil.  Ask five Greeks from five different regions, and you'll get give different answers.   ;-)
    Most of these regions have received a  PDO (Protected Designation of Origin) or PGI (Protected Geographical Indication) from the European Union.  A region must fill out a lot of paperwork, and also meet a lot of criteria regarding quality and the properties of their product to get these designations.


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    I was aware of Kalamata city and olive.... ;-) (none / 0) (#116)
    by vml68 on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 11:49:30 AM EST
    Was not familiar with Kolymvari.
    I tend to use Spanish olive oil more than any other type. So, I am not as familiar with the names of the olive growing regions and cultivars of other countries unless I have already bought some.

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    Well there was too much going on (none / 0) (#97)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 09:11:14 PM EST
    to make tzatziki sauce with them boating, snorkeling and all the other activities outside.  They're leaving mañana so I'll make it as soon as I go to town and get some cheesecloth, fresh herbs, cucumbers, garlic, and lemons.  We did have baked Yellowtail Snapper last night which was a new one for me.  The French can make good food taste even better.   Thanx again for the secret recipe Zorba.

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    If you don't feel like messing with cheesecloth, (none / 0) (#105)
    by vml68 on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 02:18:44 PM EST
    use coffee filters to strain the yogurt.

    Parent
    Great idea since no cheesecloth around here. (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by fishcamp on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 05:38:44 PM EST
    Or get a (none / 0) (#114)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 09:50:34 AM EST
    white flour sack dish towel, and use it only for straining yogurt.  Just wash it each time you use it, and put it away until you need it again.
    That's what I use.  The towel works great.  Lint free and absorbent.

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    Went to the store and got everything (none / 0) (#119)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 12:52:07 PM EST
    but grabbed oregano instead of mint by mistake.  guess I'll have to head over to the Safari Lounge nearby, have a mojito and borrow some mint.  friends down here are waiting to try my tzatziki.  next time I may use key limes instead of lemon.  the hurricanes wiped out most of the great key lime trees down here but there are still a few around.  people that have them drop off boxes of key limes at the post office, restaurants, and other places for all to just take.      
                                                                                                               

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    It's damn difficult (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 01:26:32 PM EST
    to use all the key limes a good key lime tree produces. (but you can never have enough Keys lobster and yellowtail)

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    Was this fresh or (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 01:50:05 PM EST
    Dried oregano?  I assume fresh (always use fresh herbs in the tzatziki sauce).
    I'm not even going to ask how on earth you mistook oregano for mint.  They look and smell nothing alike.  You must have had lots of other things on your mind.       ;-)
    The fresh oregano should be okay for a day or two.   If you are going to be cooking a whole fish in the next couple of days, put a few whole sprigs of the oregano, and a couple cloves of peeled garlic inside the body cavity.  Then grill or bake, with your usual marinade/sauce.  Smells wonderful while cooking, and infuses the flesh with some of that flavor.
    Key limes should be interesting.  Florida tzatziki sauce!  Let us know how that turns out.

    Parent
    well, they were in those little plastic (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 02:34:02 PM EST
    thingies all hanging together on a rack when this gorgeous girl came prancing by and my hand and eye coordination left the building.

    Parent
    LOL! (5.00 / 3) (#123)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 02:58:31 PM EST
    Yes, we women have the power to totally mess up men's minds and concentration.  It is a secret power handed down from mothers to daughters.   Oooops!   I let the cat out of the bag...........       ;-)
    BTW,  I would also use those key limes, sliced thinly, and place them in the body of a whole fish while grilling/baking.  Along with your fresh herbs and garlic.  Also, take the slices and lay them on top of the fillets as you are grilling them.  We do this with lemon or regular lime slices.

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    I agree on both points (none / 0) (#125)
    by Yman on Wed Oct 30, 2013 at 07:17:25 PM EST
    Secret women powers and lime slices.

    Organized a camping trip for my younger son last weekend.  We cooked "pocket stews" (food wrapped in foil and cooked on the campfire coals).  I did a salmon version with lemon slices and herbed butter for the adults - hardly got any of it because the other Dads kept going back for more.

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    Clearly, (none / 0) (#126)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 31, 2013 at 01:04:22 PM EST
    you need to make more next time.
    Heck, I haven't made pocket stews since my daughter was a Brownie Scout and went to Girl Scout Camp.  The kids loved those.  Nostalgia!

    Parent
    When the cat's (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Zorba on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 07:09:49 PM EST
    away, the mice will play.
    Hopefully, when Jeralyn is able to resume her regular blogging, she'll get rid of all this spam.

    I'm working on it (none / 0) (#158)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 01:12:20 AM EST
    thanks!

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    An (5.00 / 3) (#72)
    by lentinel on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 06:46:07 AM EST
    absolutely beautiful and magical even poetic connection between an obviously deeply held religious conviction, and fat loss.

    My eyes have been opened.

    Excellent! (5.00 / 3) (#77)
    by MKS on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 09:20:50 AM EST
    This means if I pray over my cheese enchiladas and chile rellenos I will not gain any weight or add cholesterol.....Praise the Lord!

    I'll send you (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Zorba on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 01:31:04 PM EST
    a pan of baklava, pre-prayed over.  I can even sprinkle it with holy water.  Then it should be guaranteed no calories!
    I think I may have a money-maker here..............
    ;-)

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    A Rally Against Mass Surveillance. (4.80 / 5) (#71)
    by lentinel on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 06:41:43 AM EST
    A Rally Against Mass Surveillance was scheduled to take place in Washington D.C. yesterday, the 26th.

    It was sponsored by a coalition of groups including the ACLU.

    I read no accounts whatsoever of this Rally in the mainstream press. Not the Times. Not WashPo. Not the LA Times

    This rally did in fact take place, and the mainstream press chose not to cover it at all. This speaks volumes about how these intrusive and invasive measures are entrenched - and how little the media care about it.

    C-Span did cover it. One bright light.

    They did cover the rally here on the BBC... (5.00 / 3) (#85)
    by gbrbsb on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 10:28:48 AM EST
    but probably only because number of US ambassadors being summoned angrily in Europe is growing and we Brits still form a part of the European club... well just about!

    I found it so suspect the UK didn't complain about the snoops last week too I concluded we must be hand in glove with you lot on the spying practice  so it was no surprise to me when yesterday Snowdon told of the UK snooping on the Italian Government and passing it on to the US...

    I bet more than one of our partners and "allies" are thinking "With friends like these, who needs enemies" !

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    The Drudge Report covered it (none / 0) (#91)
    by ragebot on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 03:32:25 PM EST
    Ragebot, do Jeralyn a favor (none / 0) (#93)
    by Zorba on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 04:24:45 PM EST
    And use the "link" box at the top of the comment section.  Using the entire URL tends to mess up her website.

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    my bad (none / 0) (#94)
    by ragebot on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 05:41:04 PM EST
    sorry

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    Lots of places had info (none / 0) (#99)
    by jbindc on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 07:15:21 AM EST
    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 167 (none / 0) (#1)
    by Dadler on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 01:46:23 PM EST
    Nana the spook plays hardball with the rest-home staff (link).

    Volume 166

    Volume 165

    And a killer little Friday music link. A backstage acoustic jam in Moscow by The Praov Stelar Band. Righteous swinging sh*t. (link)

    And for the purists in you, I offer a link to a PJ Harvey rocker that I've probably linked at least twice before in the last decade. No chick brings it like PJ. And with her old school hit, DRESS, she brings it HARD. (link).

    TGIF, my friends.

    Still as much a PJ Harvey groupie... (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 01:59:11 PM EST
    as ever...good to see!

    Speaking of ladies' bringin' it, one good turn deserves another...Grace Potter (or as the special lady coined her at the Vibes festival this past summer, 'La Diosa de Rock!') & The Nocturnals with "Paris/Ooh La La".

    If I was a man I'd make my move
    If I was a blade I'd shave you smooth
    If I was a judge I'd break the law
    And if I was from Paris
    If I was from Paris
    I would say
    Ooh la la la la la la la

    Ooh la la indeed.

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    Love that sh*t (none / 0) (#8)
    by Dadler on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 02:20:29 PM EST
    BTW, how you likin' your Jets this year? Personally, I think they are doing WAAAAY better than anyone expected, and for whatever you think of Rex, hell, when he has studs on defense, he knows what to do with them. Gino is coming around, too, I am pleasantly surprised.

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    And that Stelar Band jam is the bomb (none / 0) (#9)
    by Dadler on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 02:21:33 PM EST
    Even you have to admit. ;-)

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    Pleasantly surprised... (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 02:43:43 PM EST
    is the phrase exactly...but as a Jet fan since birth, I am conditioned to wait for the wheels to fall off. As Mr. Wolf said..."Lets not start s*cking each others d*cks just yet."

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    Rex would rather suck feet (none / 0) (#18)
    by Dadler on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 03:23:02 PM EST
    Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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    You'd think putting an O (none / 0) (#88)
    by jondee on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 01:29:38 PM EST
    and D line together was like squaring the circle or inventing a perpetual motion machine, judging by how bad the Bills are at it..

    And yet Ryan seems to do it year after year.

    This CJ Spiller having to run sideways because there's no hole to go through is getting really old. I'd almost rather see him playing for the Jets or Patriots just because he's so much fun to watch when he gets to the second level. As it is, he's wasted in Buffalo the way Marshawn Lynch was wasted.

    The last time Old Man Potter and his minions spent any serious money on coaches was back many moons ago when someone put magic mushrooms in their bought-on-sale-at-K Mart Chock Full 'O Nuts and they went after Chuck Knox..

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    Jets (none / 0) (#36)
    by mljuboja on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 08:13:37 AM EST
    No one should take the jets seriously honestly :D They are one of the worst teams if not the worst team in the nfl! Look at the bright side, you will either get clowney, or bridgewater and a new head coach who can actually bring some leadership to the team instead of false promises of Super Bowl. I am jet fan but I also live in reality.
    Anyway if anyone want to loke a bit like a jet player I made some blog about healthy living makes sure you check it.
    Health blog
    cya

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    Giants? (none / 0) (#39)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 08:38:33 AM EST
    Football Spam Scam (none / 0) (#43)
    by CoralGables on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 09:14:27 AM EST
    gotta hand it to the guy/gal tho (none / 0) (#44)
    by Dadler on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 09:27:34 AM EST
    at least they put out some rhetorical effort to fool us. kudos! ahem. ;-)

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    are you sure... (none / 0) (#54)
    by unitron on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 12:13:40 PM EST
    ...they didn't "borrow" someone else's words from a previous post either here or elsewhere?

    There was a rash of quotespammers trying to sneak past filters at tivocommunity.com several months back.


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    nope, i'm not sure (none / 0) (#59)
    by Dadler on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 01:06:25 PM EST
    you've been following more than i have, it would seem.

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    Update on my Halbig v. Sebelius post (none / 0) (#2)
    by ragebot on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 01:48:01 PM EST
    The link in my previous post now leads to a 404, not sure why.

    I am still trying to get some real legal discussion on this case.  It seems like it might be a death blow to Obamacare.  As written the bill gives a tax break to peeps who sign up at sites set up by states if financial tests are passed.  But if the feds set up the site no tax breaks are specified by the wording of the bill.  Since 35 states have not set up sites this means lots of folks are not eligible for subsidies.

    The theory was that all states would set up sites and the subsidies were a carrot to get them to do it.  Not really a well written bill.  To quote Abraham Lincoln: "The best way to get a bad law repealed(in this case changed) is to enforce it strictly."

    Nah, keep trying... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Dadler on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 01:53:22 PM EST
    ...the ACA ain't going anywhere. I am more liberal than you could imagine, and I HATE calling the ACA Obamacare, just can't stand the Cult of Personality of it, and I think it's a piss-poor excuse for national health care, but, sorry...It. Ain't. Goin'. Anywhere.

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    It's not a "cult of personality." (none / 0) (#15)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 03:00:57 PM EST
    The overuse of the term "Obamacare" is actually much more a byproduct of lazy journalism than anything else, given that it was originally coined and intended by the GOP as a political slur to further demonize the president.

    Alas, the Republicans' plan backfired when "Obamacare" instead became the favorite kitsch phrase used by all the cool kids in the Beltway media corps -- or should that be "corpse"?

    ;-D

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    And (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 05:07:22 PM EST
    OT but personally, (5.00 / 5) (#26)
    by sj on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 05:23:49 PM EST
    I always wanted some minions.

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    I have this (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 05:34:49 PM EST
    vision of Mr. Rogers singing "Won't you be my minion?"

    Parent
    Me too (none / 0) (#34)
    by jbindc on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 07:27:44 AM EST
    I think it would be awesome to have minions.

    Parent
    ... false equivalence, under the nonsensical pretense that you're somehow being even-handed.

    The president didn't start using the term until his re-election campaign last year.

    You ought to be more careful about who you deride as "minions," given whose water you're carrying.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    Donald, you need to read more carefully, (5.00 / 7) (#31)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 09:25:14 PM EST
    and check out things like dates in articles that are posted...

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    As Anne said Donald (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by jbindc on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 07:32:44 AM EST
    Reading is fundamental. And I'm not sure whose water you think I'm carrying.  (Ironic, coming from someone who really IS a water carrier).

    Obama started using the term back in 2011.

    But don't let things like facts get in the way of your misplaced outrage.....

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    Obamacare is an accurate (none / 0) (#74)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 08:58:40 AM EST
    description as far as it goes.

    ObamaPelosiwehavetopassitbeforeweknowwhat'sinitcare

    is much better.

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    Gee (5.00 / 3) (#75)
    by MO Blue on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 09:11:53 AM EST
    When are you and your tea party friends going to raise a ruckus for something worthwhile - like single payer rather than just wearing stupid hats and making up silly little slogans.

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    Have you forgotten that I have (none / 0) (#102)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 12:41:56 PM EST
    posted numerous times that I am for a single payer system based on the Medicare model and paid for by a federal sales tax collected at the POS (not a VAT)???????????

    Evidently so.

    But if I gave you a good rant I am pleased to be of service.

    And no matter what the Tea Party is, was or will be the fact is that Obama either lied or didn't know when he said:

    You can keep your doctor

    You can keep your insurance

    Your premiums will go down.

    In either case the answer is unacceptable but not surprising to anyone who wasn't blinded by "hope and change."

    lol

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    That's not fair, Jim! (4.50 / 2) (#106)
    by NYShooter on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 02:22:05 PM EST
    You can't blame Obama for all these problems if no one on his staff told him how the program was going to work. It's just like no one in the NSA, or, CIA, told him they were listening in on German Chancellor Angela Merkel's private phone conversations. I suppose that's his fault too?

    Next, I suppose you're gonna blame John Gotti for all the murders his underlings committed. Didn't you hear him say at his trials, under oath, no less, "I didn't know nuttin `bout it."

    I just wish everybody would stop picking on The President for all these complicated issues: The economy, Syria, Republicans, and the up-your-ACA sorta health thing. Like he said, "I did my job, I got elected; I gotta do everything else around here too?"


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    Shooter (none / 0) (#107)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 04:33:18 PM EST
    Does he have to be told that replacing millions of policies with policies that cover pre existing conditions, retention of children who were going off the policy on the policy and a lot of coverages that the person didn't previously have and didn't want....

    will cause premiums to go up???

    Does he have to be told that the law doesn't allow you to keep a plan that you like but the law now says it must be replaced???

    Does he have to be told that when you replace a policy with another policy it is probable that the new policy won't have the same doctors and hospitals in their network?????

    If so... he either is dumber than dirt or he lied.

    He's your guy so you can pick.

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    Jim, you've been on Medicare so long that (5.00 / 4) (#109)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 08:20:31 AM EST
    you've apparently forgotten - if you ever knew - that insurance is, to a large degree, regulated by the states, and it is the states that decide what coverages all policies issued there must contain in addition to whatever is federally mandated - you don't get a menu and get to pick and choose like you're ordering Chinese food.  If the feds or your state mandate coverage for pregnancy and childbirth, it doesn't matter that you don't need the coverage - you're getting it and it's factored into the overall premium structure.

    And it often is state insurance commissions that decide whether a carrier can increase premiums, and by how much.

    Now, can you point to the section of the law that directs insurance companies to cancel policies that are non-compliant with the law and force people to reapply for new ones?  Because I think that decision was a corporate one, not mandated by the law.  

    That being said, I have to think there were enough insurance industry-types working on the ACA that someone - probably more than a few someones - would have been able to tell the WH exactly what the insurance companies were likely to do when faced with having to include new coverages - would they add coverage riders, or discontinue policies and make people apply for new ones?

    But how do you sell "reform" if you have to tell people the chances are they're going to have to get new policies?  That maybe they won't have "the same" kind of plan, with access to the same providers, with the same dollar-limit coverages?

    How do you sell reform when one of the players is an industry that has shown, time and again, that it's just about the money for them, so whatever they can do that will accrue to their benefit, they will do.  And they've had four years to figure out the best way to game the law at the same time the law is forcing them to make accommodations.

    We're not stupid, jim, but it's more than tiresome to hear the constant complaining, and whining and fear-mongering from conservatives who have nothing to offer but selling insurance across state lines and instituting tort reform.  Those are not plans, jim, they are just ways to make sure the insurance industry can make more money without delivering value to subscribers.

    Why don't you go to the next Tea Party or GOP meeting in your area and lobby for single-payer, jim.  Write a letter to the biggest GOP opponents of "Obamacare" and suggest - no, demand - that they get their heads out of their a$$es and propose an expanded Medicare system - and let us know how all that goes.


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    Anne, you continue with your (none / 0) (#127)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 08:46:15 AM EST
    unsupported false claims about what the person you disagree with knows.

    Shame on you. Debate honestly.

    The facts are that millions of people are being forced to have no insurance or pay hundreds of dollars a month more.

    The sadly amusing thing about this is the economy will suffer and Democrats will be removed from office.

    Sometimes people get what they deserve.

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    I like how you always sum it up (5.00 / 3) (#110)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 08:39:32 AM EST
    at your blog: he wants Americans to suffer because he hates colonialism and subconsciously identifies with his Muslim father..

    You should remember to include that part here, Jim. It lends more credibility to your hard-hitting, unbiased, critique.

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    Hey! (none / 0) (#111)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 08:56:01 AM EST
    That's exactly what Dana Milbank said!

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    Monumental stupidity (none / 0) (#112)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 09:09:51 AM EST
    and "everybody look at me!" hyperbole seemingly leaps from host to host like a virus in this country.

    Who is Dana Milbank and give me one good reason why anyone should care what it thinks about anything.

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    He is an op-ed writer (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 09:58:32 AM EST
    And in this case, he's absolutely right.

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    shhh.. (none / 0) (#118)
    by NYShooter on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 12:50:50 PM EST
    Jim didn't know it was a goof.

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    I wish Milbank wouldn't (none / 0) (#129)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 08:53:19 AM EST
    copy me.

    ;-)

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    Your words would (none / 0) (#117)
    by sj on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 12:07:01 PM EST
    have a lot more weight if they weren't just words. We don't know each other's "real lives", but for words to have meaning they need to be followed with action. You say want single payer. But who did you vote for that would advocate for that? What agency did you support (with either money or time) that works for that goal?

    Don't bother answering me. The question is for you to think about seriously, with no snark whatsoever. So I added no superfluous question marks. :)

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    It's no bother, sj. (none / 0) (#128)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 08:51:51 AM EST
    I am always happy to answer you. The need to educate you drives me to do so.

    Obama never was for a single payer system modeled on Medicare paid for a national federal sales tax.

    Neither was McCain or Romney.

    But both were for strong national defense and a rational energy policy.

    Two out of three aint bad.

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    That was not the question (none / 0) (#130)
    by MKS on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 09:32:18 AM EST
    Who did you support or what group did you support that advocated single payer?

    Setting aside the Presidential race, how did you support single payer?  Did you vote for other Republicans too?  Did the person you voted for in your House race support single payer?

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    You first (none / 0) (#131)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 11:16:44 PM EST
    I'll make it easier for you, Jim (none / 0) (#132)
    by Yman on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 07:16:04 AM EST
    Show me a single posting on your wingnut blog focused on your position we should have single-payer healthcare.

    Heh.

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    Why don't you prove that there isn't?? (none / 0) (#133)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 09:49:41 AM EST
    heh

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    heh (none / 0) (#134)
    by jondee on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 10:09:33 AM EST
    and while you're at it, prove irrefutably that there isn't a single post devoted to gay rights and women's right to choose.

    Nah-nah betcha can't do it.

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    jondee, your next (none / 0) (#137)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 10:56:23 AM EST
    As I cool I can do some surfing the web. I've been hanging out at Talk Left for years and years. TL is focused on legal/crime issues and is more balanced than KOS or MoveOn but it does have its share of kooks and loons.

    What runs some on the Left crazy is that I fancy myself a social liberal. I believe in minority rights, gay rights (including marriage), a woman's right to chose and think we need to rationalize our illegal drug policy.

    On the other hand I am more or less opposed to "programs" dedicated to minorities, believing that we have moved past that point and need a color blind "helping hand" based on need and scholastic achievement.

    And while I believe in "gay rights" that doesn't mean that I think we need "hate laws." If someone harms a gay or a straight person the deed speaks for itself. The reason why is of no consequence. And I will tell gays that the Bible says their actions are wrong, just as it says you shouldn't be humping your neighbor's wife but I will let them work out the details with God. He's been known to forgive and forget.

    And I oppose abortion but I won't tell a woman what she must do with her body. I will also say that we need more church sponsored adoption centers and less Hell and Damnation from the pulpit.

    The drug thing is a tough one. Some drugs are addictive and damaging to people and society. Problem is the demand drives the supply and the obscene profits keep an endless supply of drugs and dealers. My solution is simple. Flood the market with free drugs obtained by signing up at your local pharmacy.

    Thursday July 29 2010

    And then...

    I dislike such comments because all they do is make all the Lefties swoon and throw snit fits. And since they might harm themselves and not be around to see Obamie give his concession speech I am naturally against them.

    Besides. I am for gay rights. And if Congress wanted to put up with a gay congressman who had let his lover run a whore house out of his apartment and if the good people of Boston wanted to keep electing him for some 30 years..... who am I to complain?

    But I do heartily dislike certain things. One of them is people, such as the insulter, who claims to be with the Tennessee Tea Party.

    Well, as the commercial now running every 30 minutes says... "There is no Tennessee Tea Party." (Pardon the paraphrase. Couldn't help myself.)

    He is a member, perhaps an official of a Tea Party organization that calls itself the Tennessee Tea Party.

    Not to belabor a point, but there is no formal organization of TN Tea Parties.

    Tuesday November 29 2011

    jondee, what a dummy you are.

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    And since we're getting personal (none / 0) (#138)
    by jondee on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 01:58:18 PM EST
    what a double-talking, dishonest, mean-spirited, entitled, bandwidth devouring, inbred fascist redneck you strike as. Sir.

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    hehe (none / 0) (#139)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 02:47:01 PM EST
    jondee, whatever I am I am smarter than you.

    And I proved it.

    You got snookered by one of the oldest tricks in the world.

    And thanks for proving what I have long claimed. Lefties like you hate anyone that don't agree with every thing they want. In that you are no different than the Far Right. Like them you aren't liberal and you aren't progressive. You just want to be in control.

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    Uncle Troll (none / 0) (#156)
    by jondee on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 01:08:05 PM EST
    A couple of gold flecks in a steaming pile of horse manure still amounts to a steaming pile of horse manure -- or as you like to call it Home Sweet Home.

    hehe.

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    Obamie's concession speech? (none / 0) (#140)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 03:01:00 PM EST
    When will that happen?

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    Okay, you got me (none / 0) (#141)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 03:47:26 PM EST
    Now admit that I have the credentials needed to talk about a single payer system.

    And please be honest enough to admit that Obama will never support a single payer system based on Medicare as the model and paid for with a Federal sales tax.

    He wants someone else to pay.

    Which is what Obamacare is all about.

    And the "payer" is just now finding out.

    Not paying attention does have consequences.

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    Can't do it, huh? (none / 0) (#135)
    by Yman on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 10:15:10 AM EST
    I'm shocked.

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    What a perfect straight man you are (none / 0) (#136)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 10:44:21 AM EST
    Friday, April 15, 2011

    Want more crow to eat??

    Saturday February 13 2010

    And some more.

    Sunday October 18 2009

    Now, let's put everyone under Medicare. Just send them all a Medicare card, include dental and Rx drugs in it, and pat ourselves on the back. We have been "fair."

    Of course to be fair we are going to have to pay for the drugs we use, the Doctors and Nurses time and talents, not to mention all those other workers and infrastructure involved in saving our disgustingly fat behinds.

    Feeling a little dumb right now??

    Well, go kiss that life sized statue of Obama you worship and I'm sure you'll feel better!

    ROFLMAO

    How does that mouse trap hanging on your tongue feel??

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    See, Jim? (none / 0) (#142)
    by Yman on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 10:05:25 PM EST
    I knew you could do it!  Finally, posting a link to back up your claims!  3 posts supporting single-payer, 4,258 posts screaming "Shariah law!" - but all you had to show is one, so...

    If you think I "worship" Obama, you either: 1) haven't been paying attention, or 2) are more delusional than most of your crazy rants would indicate.

    Maybe both.

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    yman,like jondee (1.00 / 1) (#143)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 12:01:19 AM EST
    you hate everyone who disagrees with any of your positions. You are incapable of accepting support on the items I listed because I disagree with you on others.

    Sad. Very sad. And one of the reasons we can't move ahead.

    And yes, you worship Obama and would vote for him again if he could run.

    And the facts are that I proved my point and if you are willing to pay for me time I will provide additional links.

    How does it feel to be played like a child??

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    "Played like a child" - heh (none / 0) (#144)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 06:08:26 AM EST
    Don't know, Jim - I've done it to you so many times - I figured you should be able to describe it very well by now.

    The Obama worship stuff is just more of your typical cluelessness.  In case you've missed it, I've been extremely critical of Obama, particularly on this issue.  I think the ACA is a crappy piece of legislation that is greatly inferior to a public option and hugely inferior to a single payer system.

    As far as "your support", it's meaningless.  The extent of "your support" is a very few postings on a blog filled with rightwing rants about "Shariah law!" and clueless global warming denialism.

    As far as "paying for your time", I'd be thrilled to.  We'll do an even trade.  I'll bill you for my time for the hundreds of links I've provided to you disproving your rightwing garbage, and you bill me for the 3 links you posted - plus any others you can find.  My normal hourly rate is $275/hour.  Yours is ... what

    ... like $10?

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    yman, quit pretending (none / 0) (#145)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 08:47:24 AM EST
    A claim was made.

    I set the trap.

    You fell through it and caught yourself.

    You see, I am who I am. No pretense. No posturing. I believe what I believe based on a life experience so diverse that you cannot even imagine it.

    So please keep on proving that you are not a liberal. You are not progressive. What you want is total control. You have this burning desire to have everyone do what you want and there is no halfway.

    Think. Where you could have an allie on many issues you reject and attack.

    That's typical of a narcissist personalty.

    Sad.

    So keep on attacking. My record speaks loud and clear. I have no reason to prove anything, yet I have.

    And you have proved what you are.

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    If you do hold these views (none / 0) (#146)
    by MKS on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 08:50:10 AM EST
    have you recently voted for someone who also held these views?

    If you don't, you just enable policies that are frankly retrograde.

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    Have you?? (none / 0) (#148)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 12:33:58 PM EST
    Certainly Obama did not.

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    Yes, on marriage equality (none / 0) (#150)
    by MKS on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 01:13:36 PM EST
    Yeah, after he was forced into it. (none / 0) (#153)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 03:37:40 PM EST
    lol

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    So you oppose the candidate ... (none / 0) (#154)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 04:47:01 PM EST
    ... who supports gay marriage because you claim he was "forced into it" (how did that happen?), while supporting the guy (and party) who actively opposes gay marriage and equality.

    Face it, Jim.  You're only a "social liberal" when it comes to issues you really don't care about and that won't affect your vote.  On any issues that you really care about and will affect your vote, you're right there with Rush.

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    Oh hush, please (2.00 / 1) (#155)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 12:58:31 PM EST
    Of don't.

    Either way you have proved you are nothing but My Shadow, following me down the cyberspace avenue.

    ;-)

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    The truth hurts, ... (none / 0) (#157)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 01:09:44 PM EST
    ... huh, Jim?

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    An "ally" (none / 0) (#147)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 08:55:01 AM EST
    To what end, Jim?  An "allie" in posting on a blog?  An "allie" who makes ridiculous claims and supports them with links to British tabloids and wingnut blogs?  An "allie" who, even on the issue of single-payer, qualifies it by saying it should be paid for with the most regressive tax system possible (a national sales tax).

    No thanks.

    BTW - Are we billing for time or not?  I'm thinking a flat amount per link, say ... 5 minutes.  I'll work up an invoice and an installment plan for you to pay me.  I can root around in my sofa cushions for the money I owe you.

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    The offer was you pay me for (none / 0) (#149)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 12:38:14 PM EST
    more links.

    I haven't claimed you didn't post something.

    So put up or kindly admit you know that I can produce.

    lol

    The support for the items is self explanatory.

    Both you and MKS, having lost the challenge, want to move the goal posts and reframe the argument.

    How Leftie of you both.

    ;-)

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    Sorry, Jim (none / 0) (#151)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 01:19:21 PM EST
    Fair is fair.  You want me to pay you for your links, you'll need to pay me for mine.  Hundreds of links @ $275/hour versus 3 links @ ($4/hour?) - I can understand why you wouldn't want to do that.

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    Okay yman. I give up. (none / 0) (#152)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 03:33:31 PM EST
    You have no honor.

    But the facts remain.

    You folks made the challenge.

    I met it.

    Now, go whine some more.

    lol

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    Call it whatever you want (none / 0) (#95)
    by ragebot on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 05:46:25 PM EST
    I have seen lots of polls where the public knows what Obamacare is but is unable to recognize what ACA is.

    I view most of these comments as a distraction from the issue of those who sign up at the fed web site not being eligible for the same subsidies as those who sign up at state web sites.  The IRS has a long history of not granting exemptions unless they are black letter law.  DOJ has established a long list of court cases backing up the IRS position.  I was hoping there might be a tax lawyer here who could add a professional analysis here.  Maybe that will still happen.

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    Finished my app on healthcare.gov today (none / 0) (#6)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 02:10:10 PM EST
    Now I'll be one of those that waits until the deadline to wrap it up.

    Old news... (5.00 / 6) (#7)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 02:17:49 PM EST
    my contacts at the NSA told me so before lunch..Congrats! ;)

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    They'd be pretty damn bored following me (none / 0) (#20)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 04:21:14 PM EST
    What does that have to do with anything? (none / 0) (#21)
    by sj on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 04:32:33 PM EST
    "Following" is not required. They scoop up your info whether it's boring or not.  And then... the one time you do something interesting...

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    I don't care (none / 0) (#23)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 04:59:16 PM EST
    I just mentioned that the healthcare website let me complete my app. If you want to spin kdog's joke into something else have at it. Enjoy yourself.

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    Lordy (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by sj on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 05:03:50 PM EST
    does everything need a snark tag? A little defensive, aren't you?

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    This is the hour... (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 02:23:33 PM EST
    when the stopped clock is right...Sen. Paul hinting he will block Yellen confirmation till he gets a vote on his bill to audit the fed and disinfect that puppy with some sunlight.

    Gotta support him on this one...seems totally prudent to have an audit before a new head takes over.  Sh*t Yellen should be down too, so she isn't left holding the bag for past Fed shenanigans.  Start fresh and clean.

    The Odds of a Fed Audit... (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 02:38:00 PM EST
    ...are slightly worse than then the NSA welcoming Snowden back with open arms and declaring him a hero complete with Obama giving him the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

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    Sad State of Affairs... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 03:14:44 PM EST
    when two things that should most definitely be done make people laugh at the mere suggestion.

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    I'd have much more confidence in ... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 03:14:57 PM EST
    ... the proposal if Rand Paul actually knew what an audit actually was and what it entailed -- that is, aside from being a tough sounding word that impresses the rubes a whole bunch and convinces them that he's a man of substance, rather than a political huckster.

    Suffice to say that I consider it pandering of the worst sort, because Rand Paul once again grabs the headlines by beating up everyone's favorite whipping boy, the Fed. Because in fact, kdog, both the Federal Reserve and its component parts are already audited by an independent firm on an annual basis. All Sen. Paul has to do is ask to see the reports.

    Aloha.

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    Deloitte & Touche LLP? (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 03:46:41 PM EST
    Please dude.  Rand may well be pandering...but that's besides the point.  Whats going on with all that Quantitative Easing is the point.

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    I Seem To Remember... (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 04:36:27 PM EST
    ...something about Arthur Andersen and their skilled auditors, but for some reason I can't find their name in the yellow pages...

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    Well, are you volunteering to do it? (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 09:10:16 PM EST
    All kidding aside, kdog, have you ever performed an audit? I have, because that's part of what I do for non-profits as a living. And even with the relatively limited annual budgets that some of my smaller clients have, I can assure you that performing an audit for them is still one helluva lot of work.

    I wouldn't even dare offer to perform one for my larger clients, mostly hospitals and private schools, nor would they bother to ask such a small company like ours for that service. That work gets contracted out to the larger professional services firms like Deloitte or Ernst & Young.

    So, if you and Aqua Buddha are going to call for an audit of the Federal Reserve and its twelve regional subsidiaries, you should both be advised that there are only a very limited number of firms in existence in the entire world which possess the necessary capacity to perform one of that scale and scope in a timely manner.

    And if you and others are going to summarily preclude firms like Deloitte for whatever reason, then such calls for an audit of the Fed are really nothing but empty gestures and a lot of breathless grandstanding.

    Unless, of course, you're perfectly willing to hire me to do it, with the understanding that you'll receive my FY 2014 auditor's report of the Fed sometime in November or December 2025.

    Aloha. ;-D

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    The Fed has done nothing wrong (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 08:44:52 AM EST
    Bernanke and the Fed have done all the right things--progressives should be happy with the Fed's policies.

    Conservatives hate current Fed policy because they view it as bailing out Obama's economy.

    Auditing the Fed is just a grandstanding ploy to bash one area of government that works.   The conservatives hate current monetary policy because it does not punish what they view as overspending by the government.  

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    If printing over 3.5 trillion.... (none / 0) (#101)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 09:37:06 AM EST
    dollars to buy garbage off the banksters ledgers is right, I don't think I want us to be right.  It's been great for the banks and the stock market, but I haven't seen any trickle down my way, have you?

    Woulda been cheaper, and a better economic stimulus, to give every man woman and child in American ten grand to go out and spend and/or pay their bills.

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    kdog, my buddy (none / 0) (#32)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 09:49:03 PM EST
    You must be loving this: The gossip is getting hot & heavy about Sen.-elect Cory Booker & Sen. Rand Paul possibly joining forces and teaming up to take on the DEA, and "The War On Drugs." I don't know how true that is, but, what is true is that both Booker and Paul think the DEA sucks, and, both claim the "W.O.D." has caused, and, is causing, way more damage than the drugs ever could.

    Paul has publicly stated that he "would look forward to working with Paul" in that endeavor.

    LINK

    There may just be something to that adage about "my enemy's enemy being my friend."

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    They've got their work... (none / 0) (#103)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 12:47:13 PM EST
    cut out for them, I wish them luck and godspeed!

    The Rand Paul clock is stopped right on mandatory minimums too...he's a special case I guess, right more than twice a day;)  It's a shame the libertarian extremism overshadows his good ideas on drug policy, the fed, foreign wars and occupations....but nobody's perfect.

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    She would already (none / 0) (#11)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 02:35:34 PM EST
    be left holding the bag, anyway.  She is the Vice Chair of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, so she is next in the line of command, right after Bernanke.

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    True... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 02:54:11 PM EST
    but right now she can say "what do we do now boss?" when the G-men bust down the door;)

    Seriously though I think a good candidate for Fed chair would want an audit and transparency first thing....if for no other reason than to restore faith in the markets, which I'm told is essential to any economy.

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    The Fed has nothing (none / 0) (#41)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 08:59:36 AM EST
    to do with the markets (or only has an indirect affect on them through monetary policy), if you are referring to the market for securities, i.e. the Dow, the New York Stock Exchange, NASDAQ, etc.

    The Fed buys bonds, loans money to banks overnight, in effect regulates and operates the ACH system, and regulates banks to make sure they have sufficient reserves, and does economic research and fact gathering...

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    Does the Fed do any money moving... (none / 0) (#55)
    by unitron on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 12:20:53 PM EST
    ...or manipulating that's ordinarily kept secret from the public that an audit would reveal?

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    Highly unlikley (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 12:47:29 PM EST
    The Fed buys and sells bonds in a public market place.

    Anything is possible and who could be against transparency?  But it is going deep into conservative conspiracy land to level accusations against the Fed.

    The real issue is that conservatives are mad that there is no inflation given the Fed's recent policies.....It really ticks them off that their theories don't work, and so they are on a jihad against the Fed.

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    You're right that the Fed buys bonds, but (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by NYShooter on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 06:11:40 PM EST
    what's different now is that the FED is buying long term bonds instead of the short term ones they usually buy.

    Normally, the FED controls short term interest rates by buying short term instruments. This increases their price, and, drives down rates.

    But, now (meaning, after the '07-'08 disaster) that action hasn't had the desired effect. The Banks, which could borrow money at almost zero "0"
    interest, kept the money for themselves, and, used it to set up an arbitrage scheme with long term bonds, setting up a guaranteed, no risk, income stream for themselves. Of course, the purpose of the FED'S lowering those rates was so the Banks could borrow money cheaply, and, lend it out to businesses, and others, to prime-pump the economy. So much for the Banks "doing the right thing."

    O.K. So, since that didn't work, The FED changed its tactics, and started buying long term bonds. That was the beginning of the Q.E. (quantitative easing) Program. The idea behind that was that buying long term bonds would reduce long term interest rates, thereby, inducing buyers to switch from buying bonds to buying other assets, namely stocks. And, that's what was behind the incredible rise in the stock market these past few years.

    Once again, the idea was that increased asset prices (stocks and other hard assets) would provide the famous "wealth effect," that would encourage people, who now felt wealthy, to go out and spend money. And, the program has worked......somewhat. The stock market did rise, people started buying houses, cars, and the luxury market shot up. However, since this was an artificially created boom for that small portion of our populace that already had money, the advance of our economy has been slow, tepid, and not wide spread. It did not "trickle down" to the population at large, did not create jobs, and, simply made the already rich even richer.

    So, to wrap it up, the FED is almost at the end of its ability to improve the economy for the great majority of our country. The answer for "The Right," the 1%, is, squeeze the 99% even more. Unfortunately, IMO, the problem for The Left is.....there is no "Left," left. Smart economists, like Krugman, Stiglitz, DeLong, and, others, have said, from the beginning, that the money our government was willing to pour into our economy after the financial collapse should be going to the broad base of people, the 99%. Programs like education, job training, the infrastructure, and, a fairer tax code, would lead to a "real," sustainable recovery. The Rich would still get richer, but, they wouldn't get it ALL.

    Well we know how it went. Obama had a choice to make; he could listen to Summers, Geithner, and Rubin, or, Krugman, Stiglitz, DeLong.

    The rest, as they say, is history.


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    Obama could have listened... (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by unitron on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 09:29:44 AM EST
    ...to Krugman, Stiglitz, DeLong, et al, but getting Congress, especially the political party to which he does not belong and which cares more about making him look bad than saving the country, to do so may have been beyond mortal ability.

    Maybe Obama settled for what he could get instead of what was best, but I wish he'd at least appeared to have fought tooth and nail for the latter before accepting that he couldn't get it.

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    Seems you have forgotten the fact (5.00 / 5) (#80)
    by MO Blue on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 09:41:39 AM EST
    that when Obama first took office he had majorities in both houses of Congress. He chose the policies he wanted. There was a reason that he chose Summers and Geithner as his financial team and not Krugman, Stiglitz or DeLong.  

    Parent
    Must've been because (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by Edger on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 10:09:07 AM EST
    "republicans made him do it!" ;-)


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    The Fed's ability (none / 0) (#64)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 06:32:26 PM EST
    to stimulate the economy is not unlimited as shown by recent history and an pointed out by your comment.

    But, the Fed has done all it all can.

    The burden/fault lies with fiscal policy.

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    With that, I agree, and, again, but, (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by NYShooter on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 10:17:46 PM EST
    to have fiscal policy you need a functioning Congress.

    Need I say more?

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    The Congress has been functioning (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by MO Blue on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 09:36:16 AM EST
    just fine for those who feed their campaign chests. As soon as they complete the to do list of the Fix the Debt CEOs, they can move on to bigger and better things, like joining lobbying firms or the high paid speaking engagements.

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    True, dat (none / 0) (#76)
    by MKS on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 09:16:23 AM EST
    The Fed is where money comes from (none / 0) (#81)
    by Dadler on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 10:06:52 AM EST
    Sorry, but I find your arguments kind of delusional. Do you hear the chairman of the Fed telling the truth about money? That it is not FACTUALLY possible for the federal government to go broke? No, never. Why? Because the Fed exists to help a small segment of the population, and because it is THE center of every sh*tty economic paradigm that is killing us...there is nothing else it COULD represent. I defy you to explain how the fed determines the money supply, I defy you to show ANYthing even REMOTELYT humane about the Fed's money policies. If the head of the had a sentient, non brainwashed cell in his skull, they would hold a press conference and say, loudly and clearly, if we don't start hiring people en masse, if we don't do something about the FORTY PHUCKING PERCENT OF THE POPULATION that has Zero, nothing in assets, no future but sh*t, and that because we live in a rigged economy, that if we do nothing, that forty percent will soon turn to sixty, and we will end up running for our lives. Sorry, the Fed is responsible for money in this nation, in its most basic form. And you will hear NOTHING from the Fed that is not a bunch of failed-paradigm encrusted bullsh*t. Go to the fed website, I urge you, and look up how they explain the money supply. It is bullsh*t of the highest order, a quasi-scientific bunch of gobbldy-gook that, again, exists to serve a small segment of the population. Hell, logic tells you, after all the senseless, save the Masters of the Universe garbage, that the Fed should be recommending something for the LITTLE people, but it never does. And if you tell me it isn't in the business of being political or making decision based on politics, that's just garbage. The Fed controls money in this country, and it's like a phucking drug kingpin, supplying the dealers first and the regular people NEVER.

    Sorry, I'm not on the Fed bandwagon. It is, and obviously, as corrupt as the rest of the system. You really going to claim, in an entirely bought and paid for government, that the Fed is somehow pure and above that corruption?  Really?

    This country, and again obviously so, operates on a clear paradigm that money matters more than people. The Fed has done zero to counter that suicidal paradigm. Nothing. That's not what I call any type of leadership of foresight, it is cowardly drop-in-the-bucket inhumanity. The Fed is ALWAYS run by a Wall Street lackey, as such, to repeat, it is as corrupt as any other branch of the Federal government. IMO, of course.

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    Also, my wife is the VP of a small bank (none / 0) (#83)
    by Dadler on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 10:18:13 AM EST
    She's worked at small banks for thirty years. Small banks that do good work, don't screw people left and right, aren't scumbag institutions in the business of stuffing the pockets of a few thimble-dicks. And you know what? If you are a big bank, you get no hassles from the Fed. If you are a reputable, small, community bank -- like the ones my wife has almost always worked for -- Fed regulators put them through hell. And you think that's an upstanding institution? Please. Could not vehemently disagree more. Peace out.

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    The Fed was created (none / 0) (#124)
    by MKS on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 09:19:34 PM EST
    as a result of William Jennings Bryan and economic populism and progressive policies.

    Signed by Wilson as part of Progressive reforms....

    I suppose there could be corruption at the Fed but I would at first like to see some evidence of that first before the conclusion is made.

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    So, uhhmmm... (none / 0) (#28)
    by Edger on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 06:57:41 PM EST
    if oil is made from decomposed dinosaurs, and plastic is made from oil, are the toy plastic dinosaurs kids play with made from real dinosaurs? And oil company billionaires too?

    Oil Dinosaurs (1.00 / 2) (#37)
    by cicaglisa on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 08:24:45 AM EST
    Hahaha, seriously, where did that come from. Anyway nice to see some great funny post around here, stuck in all of this serious conversations.
    I suppose children are playing with ancient sabre tooth tiger, and t-rex.
    Some nice kids playing with dinos
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    Dinosaur Spam Scam (5.00 / 4) (#42)
    by CoralGables on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 09:13:36 AM EST
    Large bodies with very small brains. ;-) (none / 0) (#45)
    by Edger on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 10:07:23 AM EST
    I think Michael Skakel should get bail. (none / 0) (#46)
    by OliviaEdward on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 10:25:19 AM EST
    why do people surrounding the Kennedy family always end up dying "mysteriously"?....including some of the Kennedy family themselves. Working Capital Loans

    More Spam . . . (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 10:29:33 AM EST
    BTD c'mon man... (none / 0) (#50)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 11:33:12 AM EST
    GO DUCKS

    Duck stat for the day (none / 0) (#52)
    by CoralGables on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 12:00:52 PM EST
    Oregon has scored at least 45 points in their 1st seven games this season. The last major college football program to do that was Harvard in 1887.

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    Great stat CG...I can use that. (none / 0) (#58)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 01:03:40 PM EST
    That record stopped at 7 games. The Ducks (none / 0) (#84)
    by caseyOR on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 10:18:47 AM EST
    only scored 42 points last night to UCLA's 14. Oh well.

    And why did the Ducks drop to third in the BCS poll? Florida State? Seriously?

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    They didn't drop (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by CoralGables on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 12:09:12 PM EST
    That was the first BCS poll of the year.

    Welcome to strength of schedule. 3 of the 6 BCS computer polls made FSU #1 last week. 5 of 6 computers had Oregon at #4.

    Yesterday's Duck win over UCLA will help Oregon narrow the gap.

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    Ducks jump back over FSU (none / 0) (#96)
    by CoralGables on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 08:11:50 PM EST
    in the 2nd poll.

    Should both win next week, expect the BCS to remain as is. Both Oregon and FSU have highly ranked matchups. The Ducks get Stanford and FSU plays the Hurricanes.

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    Final BCS Rankings (none / 0) (#98)
    by ragebot on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 11:27:18 PM EST
    If Clemson runs the table and winds up with one loss and Stanford runs the table and winds up with two losses which one will be ranked higher in the final BCS poll.  If the U runs the table except for two losses to FSU and UCLA runs the table except for one more loss to Oregon and winds with four losses which one will be ranked higher in the final BCS poll.  Under this hypothetical if FSU has wins over two top ten teams and Oregon has wins over one which one will be ranked higher.  No hypothetical for 'bama cuz I would probably bet the farm there will be more upsets in the SEC and way too many options to consider.

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    For a "non-story," the JonBenet mystery (none / 0) (#56)
    by christinep on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 12:31:19 PM EST
    keeps reminding us of the mystery that it remains.  Lead story in the local news last night (top coverage on CBS last night), followed by front-page headlines and big editorial in today's Denver Post.

    I remember the "guessing game" quality in the early months after the murder ... every acquaintance had a different theory.  My own theories mutated over the years.  Years pass, other sensations engage us.  Then, for many of us, surprise! ... big stories about a grand jury indictment that DA Hunter refused to sign, a fact that appears to have been undisclosed for fourteen years. So, we have another blip; and, the area is again reminded ... during morning dog walk with a neighbor, the woman suddenly asks (after chatting about the weather and other neighborhood new dogs) "What do you think really went on with the DA and the JonBenet case?" (My husband said this morning, without more, that "it was the <Boulder> neighborhood Santa, don't you remember!")

    One thing it will always be:  A very sad story.

    A man in Georgia... (none / 0) (#60)
    by desertswine on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 04:13:19 PM EST
    ran back into a burning house to save his beer.
    "I told them to get the kids out and everything, and me myself, being an alcoholic, I was trying to get my beer out. You feel me?"

    It must've been Anchor Steam Beer.

    We're fighting with (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 06:58:34 PM EST
    a lot of other states to see who can win the title of most stupid.

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    Or Kona Fire Rock (none / 0) (#61)
    by CoralGables on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 05:30:25 PM EST
    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 169 (none / 0) (#86)
    by Dadler on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 10:34:37 AM EST
    If Jesus was real (none / 0) (#92)
    by Edger on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 04:17:30 PM EST
    it would be a miracle if he let you get fat, or if he didn't make you thin again if he did.