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A federal judge in California has struck down Prop 35, passed by voters in November, as overbroad.

Proposition 35, which passed with 81 percent of the vote in November, would have required anyone who is a registered sex offender — including people with misdemeanor offenses such as indecent exposure and whose offenses were not related to activity on the internet — to turn over to law enforcement a list of all identifiers they use online as well as a list of service providers they use.

It's the coldest post-season home game in Denver Bronco history. Go Broncos!

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    C'mon RAVENS!!!! (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:10:31 PM EST
    35 - 35. Overtime just started. C'mon Flaco. Send Ray Lewis out with a new ring.

    Really shocked that:... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Yman on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:21:11 PM EST
    1.  Denver didn't have Manning throw on their last 3rd down in regulation, and

    2.  Denver's secondary let that receiver get behind them while dropping 8 guys into coverage.

    C'mon on Bal'mor!

    RAVENS!!!!!!! RAVENS!!!!!! RAVENS!!! (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:48:16 PM EST
    Justin Tucker wins it.

    As I am a Ravens fan (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Slayersrezo on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:04:03 PM EST
    I'm very happy!
    Even if Ray and the Ravens lose next week (very possible given either of the teams they could be playing), at least they finally got the Indianapolis AND Peyton Manning monkeys off their backs before Lewis retires.
    But honestly? I don't think they are going to lose next week. I got the feeling it's a Superbowl year and win , or lose, at least Ray will go out in the biggest game of the year.

    Congratulations Anne! (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by NYShooter on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:17:27 PM EST
    Now, how are we going to get you down off the ceiling?

    Thanks, Shooter! I am just wrung out... (none / 0) (#22)
    by Anne on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:13:04 PM EST
    an unbelievable game that almost no one in the sports world gave the Ravens a snowball's chance in hell of winning - which makes it that much sweeter.

    The Jacoby Jones TD in the last seconds of regulation, the Corey Graham interception in overtime, and Justin Tucker's field goal to win it.  Really glad I didn't have to see Billy Cundiff trot out to kick for the Ravens...

    Thank goodness it's a Saturday game - they're going to need the extra day after playing for so long in that cold, thin air.


    Gotta hand it to the Ravens.They hung in there. (none / 0) (#39)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:33:47 PM EST
    And it paid off for them.

    Yup, simply incredible, (none / 0) (#41)
    by NYShooter on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 11:25:33 PM EST
    And, if I couldn't have my Giants in the playoffs, I'm so happy we've got your Ravens.

    And, secondly, not that Peyton Manning isn't a great, great quarterback, the fact that he won't have bragging rights over his brother, my guy, Eli, is just topping on the cake.

    So, let's go, Anne, let's bring home that S.B. Ring.


    Aaron Swartz committed suicide (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by desmoinesdem on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:25:19 PM EST
    Timothy B. Lee writes:

    At the age of 14, Swartz became a co-author of the RSS specification, now a widely used method for subscribing to web content. He dropped out of Stanford after a year and became an early member of the team that built the social news site reddit. They sold to Condé Nast in 2006, making him financially independent a few days before his 20th birthday.
    Swartz then threw himself into political activism. He had an astonishingly broad range of interests, from health care to political corruption. But Internet freedom and public access to information were two recurring themes in his life and work.
    Swartz founded an activist organization called Demand Progress in September 2010 to oppose the Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act, which was reintroduced the next year as the Stop Online Piracy Act. Throughout 2011, Swartz and his Demand Progress colleagues laid the groundwork for the historic January 2012 Internet protest that killed the legislation that would have brought China-style Internet blacklists to the United States.

    Official statement from the family:

    Our beloved brother, son, friend, and partner Aaron Swartz hanged himself on Friday in his Brooklyn apartment. We are in shock, and have not yet come to terms with his passing.

    Aaron's insatiable curiosity, creativity, and brilliance; his reflexive empathy and capacity for selfless, boundless love; his refusal to accept injustice as inevitable--these gifts made the world, and our lives, far brighter. We're grateful for our time with him, to those who loved him and stood with him, and to all of those who continue his work for a better world.

    Aaron's commitment to social justice was profound, and defined his life. He was instrumental to the defeat of an Internet censorship bill; he fought for a more democratic, open, and accountable political system; and he helped to create, build, and preserve a dizzying range of scholarly projects that extended the scope and accessibility of human knowledge. He used his prodigious skills as a programmer and technologist not to enrich himself but to make the Internet and the world a fairer, better place. His deeply humane writing touched minds and hearts across generations and continents. He earned the friendship of thousands and the respect and support of millions more.

    Aaron's death is not simply a personal tragedy. It is the product of a criminal justice system rife with intimidation and prosecutorial overreach. Decisions made by officials in the Massachusetts U.S. Attorney's office and at MIT contributed to his death. The US Attorney's office pursued an exceptionally harsh array of charges, carrying potentially over 30 years in prison, to punish an alleged crime that had no victims. Meanwhile, unlike JSTOR, MIT refused to stand up for Aaron and its own community's most cherished principles.

    Today, we grieve for the extraordinary and irreplaceable man that we have lost.

    Why he was being prosecuted:

    In 2011, Aaron used the MIT campus network to download millions of journal articles from the JSTOR database, allegedly changing his laptop's IP and MAC addresses when necessary to get around blocks put in place by JSTOR and MIT and sneaking into a closet to get a faster connection to the MIT network. For this purported crime, Aaron was facing criminal charges with penalties up to thirty-five years in prison, most seriously for "unauthorized access" to computers under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

    If we believe the prosecutor's allegations against him, Aaron had hoped to liberate the millions of scientific and scholarly articles he had downloaded from JSTOR, releasing them so that anyone could read them, or analyze them as a single giant dataset, something Aaron had done before. While his methods were provocative, the goal that Aaron died fighting for -- freeing the publicly-funded scientific literature from a publishing system that makes it inaccessible to most of those who paid for it -- is one that we should all support.

    Moreover, the situation Aaron found himself in highlights the injustice of U.S. computer crime laws, and particularly their punishment regimes. Aaron's act was undoubtedly political activism, and taking such an act in the physical world would, at most, have a meant he faced light penalties akin to trespassing as part of a political protest. Because he used a computer, he instead faced long-term incarceration. This is a disparity that EFF has fought against for years. Yesterday, it had tragic consequences. Lawrence Lessig has called for this tragedy to be a basis for reform of computer crime laws, and the overzealous prosecutors who use them. We agree.

    How very sad (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:49:23 PM EST
    So very young and talented.

    The crimes that this county has chosen to not to pursue vs those that are pursued to the extreme. Somehow we have gotten off kilter and I'm afraid we will never get back on track.


    This is very sad (none / 0) (#21)
    by Slayersrezo on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:12:40 PM EST
    And yes, "prosecutorial over-reach".
    The laws are tough for a good reason, however they are overbroad where they are tough. I think a year in prison and a fine would have been one thing, this sort of stuff is another.

    Since he never went to trial (none / 0) (#23)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:23:19 PM EST
    we'll never know.

    How magnanimous of you. (none / 0) (#49)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 03:40:05 AM EST
    Only a year in prison and a fine -- and for what, exactly?

    And even sadder, JTSOR has opened up (none / 0) (#28)
    by shoephone on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:05:49 PM EST
    its downloading service, per this article from just a few days ago (January 9). Users would only be allowed to download a limited number of journal articles per week, but still... what ironic timing.

    More than 700 publishers, in addition to the 76 that signed on initially, have agreed to make their journal content available to individual users through JSTOR's Register & Read program, which launches in earnest today after the conclusion of a pilot that started last year.

    The Register & Read program was designed to make access to JSTOR's treasure trove of journal articles at least a little more open. While access to JSTOR's full content is reserved for those with ties to libraries that purchase subscriptions, the Register & Read program lets anyone, university-affiliated or not, read -- but not download or copy -- up to three articles every two weeks, for free.

    Allow me to recommend... (none / 0) (#84)
    by unitron on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 11:48:29 PM EST
    ...both (would have been an expert witness for the defense)Alex Stamos's column about the case and the comments appended thereto of former JSTOR engineer Charles Roth as both being quite informative.

    From our "Atlas Shagged" file: (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 03:19:22 AM EST
    In what can best be crudely described as a corporate wet dream, Gov. Bobby Jindal has proposed the total elimination of all state income and corporate taxes, including taxes on oil and gas extraction, which would render Louisiana solely dependent instead upon a greastly increased -- and it practically goes without saying, an almost ruinously regressive -- state sales tax.

    And in related news, Charles and David Koch have summarily ordered Gov. Jindal to shift the positions of their lounge chairs a little more to the right, because they're getting tired of having to otherwise lift and turn their heads in order to see and talk to him.

    From our "Atlas Shagged, Part II" file: (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 02:56:42 PM EST
    Not to be outdone, the GOP leadership controlling the North Carolina State Legislature has introduced similar proposals to abolish income and corporate taxes, and raise the state sales tax rate from 4.75% to 6.53%.

    It should not suprise any of us, of course, that the deep thinker behind this almost laughably regressive trend in GOP tax policy is none other than Arthur "Trickle Down" Laffer -- the very same guy who once drew the infamous "Laffer Curve" on a cocktail napkin at a D.C. dinner party 30+ years ago, which helped launch the entire country on its present unsustainable fiscal trajectory.


    and rinse out his mouth (none / 0) (#91)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 01:33:05 PM EST
    once in awhile. They don't like a dirty ashtray.

    Strange watching tennis live (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 08:45:02 AM EST
    from Auckland, NZ where it's Jan 14th and here it's still Jan 13th.  

    Did the encounter w/The Speaker (none / 0) (#83)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 11:06:56 PM EST
    motivate you you to flee the continent?

    The Obama Administration will (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 11:25:34 AM EST
    not strike a coin--preferring to strike a bargain.  Never let a crisis go to waste, so rather than going for the platinum, it looks like we are going for the lead.  As opined in the NYT Sunday editorial, "Misguided Social Security 'Reform',"  President Obama made an offer, at the end of last year, that included a Republican-backed (and Pete Peterson approved) idea to cut spending by lowing the cost of living adjustment for Social Security benefits. "

    The move, according to the NYT, shocked Congressional Democrats and dismayed Obama's liberal base." (although Nancy Pelosi climbed on board touting the idea as a strengthening one)..   Of course, we know the outcome--turned down by the House Republicans as part of the deal.  But the next in the cliff series offers another opportunity.

    The NYT editorial cautions that that is not the end of the story.  The administration seems determined to include the COLA cut in any package of spending reductions.  Rather than using the issue as a bargaining ploy (which would be bad enough),the administration  appears to have embraced it as a worthy end in itself.  The editorial asks: "Is it?   In a word no."  The editorial discusses options for changes, but concludes, a COLA cut, in the form of the experimental chained CPI, for a subset of Americans,  is premature and unwise.  And, the word, dastardly, could have been added without being far off.

    We get the point (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Politalkix on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 11:50:08 AM EST
    The President must be really inept at getting what he wants. He came to office with a plan of cutting SS, Medicare and Medicaid but has not been able to do that despite trying furiously to do so yet because he gets blocked by Republicans. It seems that FDR's grandson also hates social programs that serve as his grandfather's legacy.

    Well Obama has said he won't (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 11:54:33 AM EST
    negotiate the debt ceiling. I guess if he voluntarily makes cuts to domestic and safety net programs and reduces corporate taxes without a formal negotiation process, he can say that he refused to negotiate.

    Obama also said (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 01:29:13 PM EST
    that he would not slash social security benefits or privatize social security.  In fact, he revived the 2008 campaign statement during the 2012 campaign (Sept 12, 2012) to consider raising the cap as a means to strengthen social security.  But, it does depend on what your definition of slash is.

    Atrois (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 02:16:00 PM EST
    People who argue that the chained CPI is more accurate for the purpose of calculating cost of living changes for the elderly are just lying, and they know they're lying. It might be a more accurate measure of CPI as a whole - no real opinion on that - but there's no reason to think it's a more accurate measure of the cost of living that retired people face.

    It's just a cut, and a dishonest one. link

    Obama on Social Security, (none / 0) (#63)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 01:40:18 PM EST
    2012 campaign.   Link

    Was that the last time Obama (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 01:58:22 PM EST
    talked about "looking" at raising the cap? Haven't seen that actual policy included in any the negotiations with Boehner or any discussion since he was reelected.

    Yes, it seems that was then, (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 02:12:56 PM EST
    and this is now.  However, I do not recall any TV ads during the Obama campaign that said.. elect me, and I promise to cut  your social security benefits.  

    Obama has just said during his press (none / 0) (#88)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 11:19:37 AM EST
    conference that he is still willing to do the deal he offered Boehner in December which included:

    $130 billion in savings that would come from an adjustment to the inflation index for Social Security benefits.

    $400 billion in health care savings

    Fast track pursuit of corporate and individual tax reform.


    Steve Kornacki, at Salon, (none / 0) (#90)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 01:28:38 PM EST
    has a piece on the really important issue--saving John Boehner.   Kornacki concludes with....."Obama, who seems to get nervous and deal-happy when deadlines approach..., its not hard to see Obama suddenly making serious concessions to Boehner and the GOP, cuts to the safety  net that would infuriate the Democratic base, but would be enough to allow Boehner to sell the plan to his conference.

    Of course, we knew that.  After all, in the last of the cliff series,  the deal structure proposed by Obama  was for $l.7 trillion in revenue.  Boehner countered with $800 million, and Obama countered with , and took, $600 million.    Enough for revenues, now it is the safety net's turn.


    Yes, or those negotiations (none / 0) (#61)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 01:15:13 PM EST
    may be a part of  a another in the cliff series: the sequestration deal, that may be negotiated in close proximity to the debt ceiling.

    Robbing Ma & Pa to pay Peterson (5.00 / 4) (#60)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 12:44:58 PM EST
    It bears repeating, since so many politicians want you to forget it: Social Security doesn't contribute to the deficit. It can't, by law. It's completely self-funded through the payroll tax (which is what makes the choice of the payroll tax for a tax `holiday' so insidious).

    What's more, the dollars involved are trivial when it comes to the budget debate. Politicians say they're looking for $4 trillion in cuts over ten years. Even if benefits did contribute to the deficit the chained CPI would only save $122 billion, a mere 2.8% of the target.

    That's peanuts for them. But it's not peanuts for the average woman on Social Security. She only receives $890 per month. By the time she turns 80 this program will be taking $45 dollars out of each month's check - nearly $500 a year. Why would Democrats (or Republicans, for that matter) agree to use her spending money to balance the budget? They'd help an old lady across the street -- then pick her pocket. Why?

    Because that's how you show you're fiscally "serious" in today's bizarre Beltway culture. This warped "bipartisan" value system was spawned in large part with money spread around town by people like billionaire Pete Peterson. They see cuts in Social Security and other spending as a way to shrink government and keep taxes low for folks like ... well, like billionaire Pete Peterson.

    Remember the expression about "robbing Peter to pay Paul"? Cutting Social Security is a way of "robbing Pa to pay Peterson." link

    The fact that James Roosevelt, Jr., the CEO of Tufts Health Plan, who supports the chained CPI as well as raising the retirement age on SS is a  candidate to run the Social Security Administration is just another indication that Obama supports cuts to SS and is not being forced by the Republicans or circumstances to make them.  


    Has the Federal Reserve even indicated (none / 0) (#65)
    by Politalkix on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 01:54:54 PM EST
    that it would accept a trillion dollar platinum coin, even if it was minted? The answer is NO!



    Start shooting people CEO act 2 (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 04:07:00 PM EST
    Here's a video of Yeager doing an interview with a local TV station. He basically starts off kind of trying to walk his statements back. Kinda. But then ... remember, he's just crazy so he just can't help himself. Soon he's back to making even more specific threats. link

    What's even worse it seems that the TV circuit just can't wait for him to be their next guest.

    golden globes... (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by ruffian on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 07:11:56 PM EST
    No spoilers, but catch Tina Fey and Amy Poehler as hosts. Really funny.

    Golden Globes (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 07:13:00 PM EST
    I vote for Tina Fey and Amy Poehler to host all award shows this year.

    Maybe for all time (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by ruffian on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 07:16:35 PM EST
    Haven't been (5.00 / 6) (#75)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 07:48:17 PM EST
    able to comment much lately because I have been trying to work as much as I can and help hubby look for another job. So far he has a couple of leads that SEEM be good. We're hoping anyway.

    I hope the new year is off to a good start for everybody at TL.

    Thanks for checking in and letting (5.00 / 3) (#76)
    by caseyOR on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 07:51:32 PM EST
    us know what is up for you.

    I do so hope one of those leads pans out for your husband. I need to believe that this will be a better year for all of us than was 2012.


    Thanks (none / 0) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 07:07:39 AM EST

    hey Ga6th...welcome back... (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 07:55:11 PM EST
    Thanks (none / 0) (#86)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 07:07:56 AM EST

    Missed your comments, (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 09:34:01 AM EST
    glad your back.

    Thanks (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 05:36:47 PM EST
    but honestly all the "fiscal cliff" doesn't excite me too much. In the end it's going to be about how much Obama concedes to the GOP.

    This is probably going to get lost here, (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Anne on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 11:12:25 AM EST
    but I thought you all would be relieved to know that Obama has apparently found at least one small binder with a couple of women in it for positions in his administration.

    Now, if all that matters to you is that there are women in the group photos, stop reading here.  If you think it matters what the women in question are all about, read on - but don't say I didn't warn you that it might not be a pleasant experience:

    From Bloomberg:

    President Barack Obama is considering two women for senior economic positions, weighing Ruth Porat, chief financial officer at Morgan Stanley (MS), for deputy Treasury secretary and Wal-Mart Foundation President Sylvia Mathews Burwell for budget director, according to people familiar with the matter.

        Porat is a leading candidate for the number two position at Treasury and would bring deeper market experience than Jack Lew, Obama's choice for Treasury secretary, according to one of the people. She would also provide gender balance on an economics team dominated by men, said the people, who requested anonymity to discuss personnel matters that haven't been announced.

    So, what's the problem, you ask?  Well, DS Wright at FDL answers that for us:

    In her role as CFO at Morgan Stanley Porat has been one of the leaders in killing the Dodd-Frank regulations behind closed doors. Not surprising given her job and interests. It would be odd to put someone so antagonistic to Wall Street reform in such a high profile role, or are those the real optics Obama is concerned with.

    Consider, according to the Sunlight Foundation Morgan-Stanley CFO Porat met with regulators nine times on the Dodd-Frank rules.

    There's a list of who she met with, and some information on what was discussed.  In case you don't feel like following the link, she apparently thinks surcharges on the TBTF banks were unnecessary, that regulating derivatives hurts liquidity, wanted more lenient disclosure requirements for Morgan Stanley, more flexibility on proprietary trading and was pushing back on the Volcker Rule.

    Yeah, golly, she sure sounds like she'll be an excellent member of the economic team, doesn't she?  

    As my Dad used to say, Jesus Christ on a crutch.

    This is disappointing, (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Zorba on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 11:26:42 AM EST
    but not surprising.  This is obviously what Obama wants.
    And he can certainly surround himself with people who are on the same page as he is- it's his prerogative.  I just don't happen to like the page he's been on for the past four years.  

    Disappointing (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by sj on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 01:03:01 PM EST
    Such an understatement :)

    Disgusting, more like.  The same disgusting page he has been on for the last five years.  ::sigh::

    If I didn't have such a big family (that I already miss), it's the "where" I would be pondering about expatriation.


    Great football game. They must be cooooold though. (none / 0) (#3)
    by Dr Molly on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:22:02 PM EST

    And at this hour. (none / 0) (#5)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:37:23 PM EST
    Getting colder. This is turning into a real battle. My SO is a Ballmer girl. She's going crazy with angst.

    Unbelieveable game. (none / 0) (#7)
    by Dr Molly on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:46:34 PM EST
    But here comes the field goal for Baltimore.

    Why hasn't Manning taken control? (none / 0) (#4)
    by mogal on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:32:34 PM EST
    What is going on - overtime-sudden death - and Manning throws once?  I'm stunned.

    Peyton Manning is a man who takes control ... (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 02:52:47 AM EST
    ... of a game during the regular season. In the playoffs, not so much. Mr. October is now 9-11 overall as a QB in the post-season, and at least half of those losses were in games where his team was listed by oddsmakers as the prohibitive favorite.

    Looked to Me Like... (none / 0) (#89)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 01:27:36 PM EST
    ...his arms was soft, he took a shot in the 3rd quarter, not hard at all, but he was down and defensive player hit the back of helmet and his neck took a good jolt.  Or maybe it was the cold weather, but his arm didn't look like it had any zip, even after the Dierdorf proclaimed on a weak throw that it did.

    Speaking of Dierdorf, what a windbag full of irrelevant non-sense.  He was in full 'Manning is a God' mode, so much so it was effecting what should be an unbiased analysis of the game.  


    just read this...a little late, but (none / 0) (#99)
    by DFLer on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 08:21:56 AM EST
    couldn't agree more with:
    Dierdorf, what a windbag full of irrelevant non-sense.

    Now I know - Manning threw an interception. (none / 0) (#6)
    by mogal on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:46:02 PM EST
    Denver has been out coached

    And ultimately, outplayed. (none / 0) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:50:12 PM EST
    One word: Choke.

    Game Over - I wonder what Elway is thinking?? (none / 0) (#9)
    by mogal on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:48:41 PM EST

    Broncos (none / 0) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 07:58:11 PM EST
    finish season 2-4 against teams with a winning record.

    Denver Bronco playoff history:
    Tebow 1 Manning 0

    What are you saying??? (none / 0) (#11)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:02:37 PM EST
    Manning doesn't love Jeebus enough?

    Manning (none / 0) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:03:52 PM EST
    looked a lot like an old Bret Favre throwing the ball against his body for the interception that led to the Broncos loss.

    Ahem: The Pack is Back! (none / 0) (#14)
    by Towanda on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:05:36 PM EST
    Got the first TD of the game.  Then 49ers tied it up.  And tied up the Pack for a bit.

    But a GREAT drive puts the Pack up 14-7, and still time in the first quarter to go.  

    The Pack is Back?? It's a little early in (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:15:22 PM EST
    the game to be  crowing about the Packers. Get back to me in the 4th quarter.

    I'm hoping the win tonight goes to the Niners. My native dislike of the Packers (lifelong Bears' fan here) requires me to be a 49er fan tonight. And, since the Niners have been my west coast team since the my move to the west coast in the '70s, that's not hard to do.

    Someday, when the Bears are once again a factor in the post season, I'll get to cheer for my true favorites.

    Oh, and nice pick, Niners. And TOUCHDOWN!


    Ditto here. Even in the particulars. (none / 0) (#25)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:59:37 PM EST
    Longtime Niners as alternate to the Bears fan here too., Since my California days. Never got into the Broncos when I lived in Colorado. I think it is an AFC aversion thing with me.

    Go Niners!


    I understand not taking to the Broncos. (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:31:59 PM EST
    I have never been a fan of any of the Seattle teams. Not a Mariners fan. Not a Seahawks fan. Portland has its own NBA team, its own MLS team and now its own women's professional soccer team. Who needs Seattle?

    Jeesh, I didn't say back for good (none / 0) (#26)
    by Towanda on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:03:29 PM EST
    You Califurriners sure are absolutist sorts.

    Here in the rest of the world, we take our happiness as we can, 'cause we know that ya just never know.


    Ummm, I don't think any "Califurriners" (none / 0) (#42)
    by nycstray on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 12:49:13 AM EST
    commented . . .

    Born and bred one here . . .  GO NINERS!!!!!  :D


    I'd have said the same earlier, but ... (none / 0) (#44)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 02:23:24 AM EST
    ... I'm from L.A. County, and no native Angeleño worth his weight would be caught dead rooting for a team from San Francisco.

    ummm . . . . (none / 0) (#52)
    by nycstray on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 11:09:39 AM EST
    I was born down there also ;)

    But you haven't been ... (none / 0) (#93)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 03:03:04 PM EST
    ... caught dead yet, have you?

    An interesting twist to the game (none / 0) (#15)
    by Towanda on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:06:34 PM EST
    in San Fran is that Rogers, QB for the Pack for thos who don't know, grew up near there as a 49ers fan.

    Oh, the 49ers intercept Rogers again. (none / 0) (#19)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:26:16 PM EST
    That's two picks by the Niners already.

    The Pack is Back. Yeah, right.  :-)


    Perhaps now you see (none / 0) (#27)
    by Towanda on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:04:12 PM EST
    exactly what I was saying, before you got all coastal about it.

    Perhaps I missed a pick (none / 0) (#29)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:08:23 PM EST
    but the stats only have one interception for each team. Thus, there has been no "again"

    My bad. One pick and one fumble (none / 0) (#36)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:24:48 PM EST

    Is the Pack back in Wisconsin yet? (none / 0) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 02:26:29 AM EST
    They were on the receiving end of a butt-whipping in that second half. Wow.

    What are the federal courts doing re: Java? (none / 0) (#24)
    by Peter G on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:43:16 PM EST
    The ECF system for filing and retrieving documents, at least from the appellate courts, depends on an active Java running. From what I have read, the problems are in Java v. 7 and not Java 6. I have disabled Java 7 and am keeping Java vers. 6 active (which is still available for download and installation).  Anyone disagree?

    Because I'm not any kind of techie (none / 0) (#30)
    by shoephone on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:09:25 PM EST
    I disabled all the Java options in my browers until my IT guy tells me it's okay to do otherwise. Since doing online banking, that decision was an easy one.

    I went to disable mine (none / 0) (#31)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:13:47 PM EST
    only to find a mesage from Firefox that they disabled it for me last October 30th

    That's interesting because (none / 0) (#32)
    by shoephone on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:21:24 PM EST
    it indicates the web companies have been aware of this and concerned about it for some time now. I (and I'd guess, most other computer users) first heard about it either yesterday or today. And Oracle was still saying "no comment" this afternoon...

    I'll turn off my Java when... (none / 0) (#35)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:24:26 PM EST
    ... you pry it from my cold dead motherboard.

    Oracle will soon (none / 0) (#57)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 12:08:38 PM EST
    fix this problem since thousands of business rely on Java.  As Jeralyn said just turn it off for a few days and check your computer info sites like macrumors.com and any of the others for updates and patches.

    When a warning comes from DHS (none / 0) (#59)
    by shoephone on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 12:42:02 PM EST
    I admit I get a twinge up the back of my neck that says, "real threat, or government-sponsored threat?" I know, I know. I disabled Java last night.

    Ditto here. Switched to Firefox las year, happy (none / 0) (#38)
    by Angel on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:32:41 PM EST
    that I did.

    That was for the previous java danger... (none / 0) (#80)
    by unitron on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 10:13:46 PM EST
    ...not this most recent one.

    yes (none / 0) (#43)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 02:15:10 AM EST
    I spent the entire day reading the pleadings in the Aaron Swartz case on PACER after I uninstalled all versions of java on my computer and in my browsers.

    Are you working on one of your megaposts (none / 0) (#58)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 12:33:14 PM EST
    about the Swartz prosecution?  I hope so.

    For Wackos, a Wacko Paradise... (none / 0) (#33)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:21:37 PM EST
    - Ok, Idaho was all they could afford.

    The group, named Citadel, intends to purchase 2,000 to 3,000 acres for the project in western Idaho.  The community will comprise of 3,500 to 7,000 families of patriotic Americans who "voluntarily choose to live together in accordance with Thomas Jefferson's ideal of Rightful Liberty."

    Typical it would be situated there (none / 0) (#34)
    by shoephone on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:24:15 PM EST
    And we northwesterners mistakenly thought we'd gotten rid of the real crazies when the Aryan Nation of Idaho fell apart a few years ago.

    From our "Oh, how cliché!" file: (none / 0) (#46)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 02:38:00 AM EST
    After years of denial and evasion, it looks like Lance Armstrong will finally confess his sins this week -- to Oprah Winfrey.

    Now he'll milk the confessional circuit (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 08:49:32 AM EST
    and pump his new book, Doping for Dummies.

    Any other suggested book titles?


    Yeah, two of them: (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 10:07:51 PM EST
    "Backpedal" and "Tour de Farce."

    Excellent, Donald! (none / 0) (#81)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 11:00:28 PM EST
    A friend opined Armstrong (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 11:04:38 PM EST
    coulda won w/out doping b/c of the capacity of his heart. What do you think?  I sd., even if the others were doping?

    I can forgive him anything except (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by ruffian on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 11:16:34 AM EST
    the proliferation of ugly rubber bracelets.

    I would really like to hear from anyone (none / 0) (#64)
    by ZtoA on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 01:49:11 PM EST
    arguing that guns are not a problem, but that mental illness is, what do you think might help with mass massacres? Are you proposing testing? Voluntary? Do you want government spend more money on testing and treatment? Do you want forced lock up of mentally ill? Is there a scale of mental illness? Should doctors who prescribe meds like anti-depressants, or psychologists who prescribe meds be required to submit patients names somewhere like law enforcement?

    Or is saying mental illness is the problem just an excuse for doing nothing and thinking that gun deaths are AOK at current levels. I'm tired of just hearing what won't work. Any suggestions?

    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#71)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 06:56:02 PM EST
    on multiple threads

    Too bad they never post any good recipes (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by shoephone on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 09:39:17 PM EST
    for red lentil soup or lamb kebabs.

    2012 a record year for military suicides (none / 0) (#94)
    by shoephone on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 05:16:33 PM EST
    2012 set the record for the most military suicides in a year, at 349 -- a higher number than those killed in combat.

    This is both tragic and portentious, because 2009 was the last record year. I hope Hagel acts quickly to implement a policy to help staunch this.    

    Oops, fogot the link (none / 0) (#95)
    by shoephone on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 05:17:20 PM EST
    New York has gun deal (none / 0) (#97)
    by Politalkix on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 10:46:18 PM EST
    So, there I was, paddling out to catch ... (none / 0) (#98)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 01:46:59 AM EST
    ... the late afternoon waves at Puuikena in Maunalua Bay near home, when what should sudddenly appear in the water right next to me -- and totally freak me out, initially -- but a 12-foot baby humpback whale!

    He must've somehow gotten washed over the reef when we had some very big southshore swells yesterday, and according to others I talked to, he's been swimming around in the shallows ever since, trying to find his mother.

    Specialists from the University of Hawaii Marine Laboratory, NOAA's Marine Mammal Response Program, the U.S. Coast Guard and the U.S. Navy have been trying to locate the mother humpback offshore, but without success, so there's a real possibility that she's already abandoned him.

    They said he's a newborn who's probably no more than a week old, and that he'll weaken quickly without being fed by his mother, which would make him easy prey for the larger 15 ft. tiger sharks that have already picked up his distress calls and are now cruising just outside the reef offshore -- so it's a good thing I aborted surfing today after the whale encounter and came ashore.

    UH and NOAA specialists will have to put him down, because he'll die anyway where he is. It's sad.


    SITE VIOLATOR!!! (none / 0) (#104)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 07:34:47 PM EST