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    Republicans (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 02:13:44 PM EST
    that were screaming that the polls were skewed with a liberal bias and hanging their hat on the Gallup tracking poll as their poll of choice just went into cardiac arrest.

    The Gallup 7 day tracking just came out for the day with Obama at +6 which also matches today's Bloomberg poll.

    The 47% video (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by lilburro on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 02:49:54 PM EST
    has certainly had an effect.  Dang.  

    I predict that after the debates (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 09:40:47 AM EST
    Instead of having the current garage sale the Republican party is having they will be having a fire sale.

    nope (none / 0) (#94)
    by Amiss on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 10:56:43 PM EST
    Tonight on local news in Jade they are talking at least 10,000 "Chad" problems again this election just in Duval County alone.

    Here we go again.


    Is Florida going to be a vile mess all over again? (none / 0) (#96)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 03:50:12 PM EST
    This is (none / 0) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 03:44:29 PM EST
    why I think the GOP is hoping the debates turn things around. This is how it is going to go unless Romney can turn it around with a good debate performance.

    What's he gonna say? (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by lilburro on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 03:55:20 PM EST
    How do you recover from the 47% video?  It is hard for me to see an area where Obama is weak and Romney is actually stronger.  Even in terms of the economy, Obama's polling is generally better than Romney's and some of Obama's arguments on the economy are sticking (here's some polling in Ohio and Florida on that).  There's nothing Romney has said so far about the economy that has given him an edge on Obama.  If there is a bad jobs report I can see Obama getting flustered, but, I don't know, I'm at a loss otherwise.

    Well (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 04:13:53 PM EST
    Obama recovered from his clingers statement. Obama is lucky that Mitt has NO working class appeal because if he did, Obama would be in trouble.

    He might not be able to recover from that video. I don't know. There is a chance with Obama being so thin skinned that Romney could needle him and he could have another "you're likable enough" moment.

    As the saying goes, a week is an eternity in politics. It's kind of like people want to fire Obama but aren't finding Romney an acceptable alternative.

    When the story is written after the November elections we'll see where it all washes out. If Romney loses, it might be that the video cost him everything.


    He did recover from clingers (none / 0) (#25)
    by lilburro on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 04:29:01 PM EST
    and the differences between that statement and Mitt's dismissal have been discussed elsewhere.  

    Obama's comment about "likable enough" hit home because of the sexism that was being hurled at Hillary for being cold, or shrill or whatever.  I don't think Mitt has anything similar working against him unless he wants to project a put-upon white guy image but again, his class puts him far out from the stereotypical white working guy cardboard cutout and there's not really a connection there.  Also, hopefully Obama has learned some lessons from those 2008 debates!!  I recall his GE debates being pretty solid.


    When (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:03:00 PM EST
    I'm talking about "likable enough" I'm talking about the distinct attitude that went along with it. Taking the sexism out of it, it was not a good moment for Obama. Also Obama can turn into that lecturing professor like he did in town halls that hurt him.

    Maybe Obama has learned something. I hope he is practicing debating.

    I know what Nate Silver and everybody says but I wouldn't write anybody off because I've seen so much over the years. I remember back in 2000 people were saying that George W. Bush was going to have a landslide and didn't even win the popular vote due to the fact that he had a drunk driving arrest. You just never know until it's all over.


    Sorry, but these dipsh*ts (5.00 / 0) (#92)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 03:08:38 PM EST
    voted in GWB for eight years. They need somebody to lecture and "talk down" to them. Or do the sixth grade over again..

    I still say most of that Obama-looks-down-on-people meme is just a backhanded way of saying Uppity.

    Imho, If people were more comfortable with educated black men in leadership positions, they wouldn't be talking anywhere near as much about Obama's "arrogance".


    So what you're (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by sj on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 04:10:23 PM EST
    saying is that you can never call an arrogant, black wo/man arrogant?  Or are you saying that an arrogant, white wo/man is really just uppity?  

    What's your point?  That some people are racist?  Yup, that's true.  So is your point that only non-racist people can judge whether a wo/man of color is arrogant or not?  

    To me it sounds like you're giving a pass to arrogant wo/men of color because someone out there might be racist.

    And I say this as a person of color.  Who might, from time to time, display a teensy weensy bit of arrogance...


    "Never" (none / 0) (#95)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 28, 2012 at 03:15:46 PM EST
    and always: my two least favorite words..



    And (none / 0) (#66)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 07:54:42 PM EST
    then there was "sweetie". Another stinkeroo.

    Obama ick.


    "likeable enough" (none / 0) (#26)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 04:37:00 PM EST
    wasn't sexist in any way.  

    No, it wasn't. (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 04:50:22 PM EST
    It was just rude.

    Damning with faint praise (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by brodie on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:50:50 PM EST
    maybe with mild undertones of sexism (by calling her in that cute response by her first name rather than "Sen Clinton").

    Obama (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 08:01:12 PM EST
    called everybody by their first names. Joe, John... everybody.

    It was very calculated.


    Donald (none / 0) (#73)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 08:38:38 PM EST
    Rude it was.  I'll concede that.

    if you were to read carefully (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by lilburro on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:07:05 PM EST
    you would find that I didn't say that it was.

    Just (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 07:45:51 PM EST
    mean-spirited and kinda dumb.

    Obama debated two dozen times (none / 0) (#31)
    by brodie on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 04:58:42 PM EST
    in the primaries plus the three GE debates and has been prepping now for weeks.  No excuse for not being ready and for allowing Romney to get back into the race.

    I'd expect at worst a draw on points and style, thus a win for O.

    Someone can remind me who is playing Romney for the prep.


    "who is playing Romney for the prep" (none / 0) (#35)
    by NYShooter on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:10:57 PM EST
    I believe they're exhuming Ronnie Reagan for that role. I think I heard that they'll be using the chair Clint introduced at the convention. (being 82, Clint thought Reagan was actually going to come out and surprise everyone.)

    No, really.


    Kerry? (none / 0) (#36)
    by nycstray on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:13:20 PM EST
    If true, that's a mistake (none / 0) (#38)
    by shoephone on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:18:07 PM EST
    I thought I heard they were using Van Hollen? But I think Sheldon Whitehouse would be better prep than anyone.

    Well I had to squander (none / 0) (#41)
    by brodie on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:24:02 PM EST
    2.06 seconds of my time to google up the correct answer of John Kerry (formerly Andrew Jackson in a previous life).

    Apparently O is leaving Sunday for three days of intensive debate prep in Henderson, NV.  Hmm, Henderson:  never been there myself.  Been to Reno, Las Vegas, and of course Area 51 (or as close as I could get without being legally shot).

    O's team is apparently trying to undersell his overall prep time to lower debate expectations, like he's only gonna have real time to prepare in those three days.  



    I lived in Henderson (none / 0) (#45)
    by sj on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:47:15 PM EST
    as a small child.  For about a year, I think.  I have only very vague memories, but in any case it's basically just a residential a suburb of Las Vegas.  

    Kerry? (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:50:05 PM EST
    Why would he pick Kerry? I would think that there are much better choices.

    Why not? He's smart, experienced, (none / 0) (#49)
    by brodie on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:57:40 PM EST
    knows the issues and like Rumney he's a MA pol and a man of considerable means.  As a Bay Stater he probably also has some good insights, and juicy inside info, from the Mittster's goobernatorial years.

    Maybe so. (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:59:31 PM EST
    I guess the bay state connection would be the biggest plus for Kerry but as far as knowing something, it would seem that if Kerry knew something, he would have already told the Obama campaign team.

    Plus, forgot to mention, (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by brodie on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 06:09:28 PM EST
    Kerry's experience and proven ability in presidential debates. His thumping of W in three straight debates should have been more consequential, but the MSM was in the tank for the Crawford Coward, and Karl Rove had certain creative plans about the votes in OH and FL.

    I (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 07:42:42 PM EST
    watched those debates - but they were different than the debates you watched.

    Kerry NEVER confronted Bush about lying about the WMD. Even Powell admitted that he had doubts about the bs he was about to sling at the UN.

    Another thing that would have sunk Bush would have been if Kerry had made an issue out of Bush's absolutely stomach turning performance at the correspondents dinner - where he made light of the fact that there were no WMDs - while young people that he sent into that hellhole were killing and being killed.

    Instead, he let Bush come off as "likable". He let one of the most despicable rogues in the history of the USA come off as likable.
    A torturer. A lier. And Kerry tiptoed. No anger.

    Kerry can play Romney alright.
    So could a broomstick.


    Hah! Andrew Jackson indeed (none / 0) (#71)
    by DFLer on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 08:24:56 PM EST
    (first time I've heard that)

    Wish it was my original insight. (none / 0) (#74)
    by brodie on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 08:43:42 PM EST
    But no, it was the author of that Return of the Revoltionaries book from a decade ago, the group reincarnation guy and former top Union (76) Oil exec who believes he was John Adams previously.

    Obama, interestingly, was 19th C Illinois Sen Lyman Trumbull, a party switcher who as chairman of the senate Judiciary Comm'ee was a principal author of the 13th Amendment.

    Ben Franklin is now Dean Kamen, inventor of the Segway etc.  Bill Clinton was the first president of the Continental Congress (name escapes me).  Al Gore was Rev War Gen Horatio Gates.  Google sites to get pix of old paintings and compare facial features.

    Group reincarnation is a reality, and face remains largely the same except as influenced by parental genes.  Personality is different.  Entertaining stuff to contemplate, if a tad controversial in spots.  


    Kerry kinda looks like him too (none / 0) (#75)
    by DFLer on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 08:58:35 PM EST
    especially if he'd grow out his hair.

    Oh here's a link (none / 0) (#76)
    by brodie on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 08:59:11 PM EST
    to get started for those interested.  My kinda diversion.  Hardened skeptics will not be amused.

    Romney has a new ad going up Friday (5.00 / 0) (#32)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 04:58:47 PM EST
    Is like the great (none / 0) (#58)
    by MKS on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 06:40:54 PM EST
    ad "Echo" that Jerry Brown ran in 2010 against Meg Whitman.  Great and funny campaign by Jerry Brown.



    They (none / 0) (#86)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 04:27:12 AM EST
    should have a debate between the ads.

    RIP, Andy Williams (1928-2012). (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:14:45 PM EST
    The popular crooner from the 1960s died at home at age 84, after a year-long bout with bladder cancer. My mother really liked him, especially his cover of "Moon River."

    (Personally, "Moon River" always made me want to stick my finger down my throat -- although I did like the time Edith Bunker (Jean Stapleton) singing that song on All in the Family in a bathroom with a busted door, after husband Archie (Carroll O'Conner) sugested that nobody would come anywhere near that bathroom if she sang while using the toilet.)

    Now, some 35 years later, Williams' ex-wife Claudine Longet is once again fair game.

    Williams' version of Moon River (none / 0) (#44)
    by brodie on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:43:36 PM EST
    would be among my earliest musical memories.  He was all over the radio in the early 60s and all over the tv for the entire decade.  Great voice, and not unwelcome to see on our family tv screen. Sang at RFK's funeral.

    Everybody Panic!!! (none / 0) (#1)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 01:55:48 PM EST
    Britain's NPA says we're looking at an unavoidable bacon shortage next year.  Droughts leading to high feed costs leading to thinner herds.

    Stock your freezers, fellow swine lovers....you've been warned.

    D@mn (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Yman on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 02:58:06 PM EST
    Love me some bacon, but I'm more worried about what this will do to the price of pork loins and butts.  Grilled tenderloins is one of the few meats all of the kiddies like, and I really love pulled pork sandwiches with onion/bacon marmalade.

    Buy pork now (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 03:03:54 PM EST
    And stock your freezer.  See my post #8.
    Actually, I told Mr. Zorba this was going to happen, way back when the drought conditions started getting severe earlier this year.  He agreed.
    Fortunately, our freezer is well-stocked with venison.  Haven't heard of anyone making venison bacon, but we've got a ton of tasty venison sausage.   ;-)

    Pork won't be as bad as beef though (none / 0) (#90)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 10:21:04 AM EST
    Because pigs can and will and do and are equipped to eat just about anything.  It is easier to get creative.  During this drought we may all end up eating more pork.  We have a new restaurant here that serves some goat dishes, and goats are also easier to feed during challenging feed times.  I have never lived anywhere where goat was a socially accepted meat source though.  I think here it is still considered exotic.  This drought may change a lot of food social acceptance.

    i actually (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by CST on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 12:04:27 PM EST
    Really like goat.  I love the fact that I live in an area with a lot of "weird" food.  Should be plenty of options!  I wonder if we're running low on ox tail...  Plus there's always the ocean.

    Dang. My mouth is watering just (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 04:53:52 PM EST
    reading the recipe.

    Just made some this weekend (none / 0) (#40)
    by Yman on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:23:31 PM EST
    The onion/bacon marmalade puts it over the top.  There's a restaurant near here that makes a pulled-pork sandwich with the marmalade and manchego cheese ... really good.  The marmalade is great by itself on baguette slices.  Kind'uv a pain to make, since it takes a couple of hours to cook down, and you have to watch it carefully near the end so it doesn't burn/scorch.

    I make something (none / 0) (#51)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 06:06:00 PM EST
    very similar to this, which I use on toasted good bread (bruschetta, basically) or nan.  The real trick is to make sure that the onions are caramelized.
    Caramelize those onions, people!  And it takes a whole lot longer than most recipes say.  Long, slow cooking.  I could eat caramelized onions with a spoon, they are so good!

    Absolutely (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Yman on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 06:30:45 PM EST
    I usually make a batch 1.5X the size of that recipe (using about 6 pounds of onions) in a dutch oven.  It usually takes @ 3 hours to cook it down and get it carmelized, although you only have to pay attention once the liquid is mostly cooked away.

    But it's worth the wait!  :)


    It certainly is, Yman! (none / 0) (#65)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 07:50:24 PM EST

    It's all because of that bacon on the field (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 02:12:06 PM EST
    incident in NY!

    I had a feeling... (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 02:16:13 PM EST
    self-appointed health czar Bloomberg was somehow behind this;)

    Kdog, it isn't just bacon (none / 0) (#8)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 03:00:36 PM EST
    Drought conditions in the US are going to lead to an increase in
    retail prices for beef, pork, poultry, and dairy products first and foremost - later this year and into 2013. But in the short term, drought conditions may lead to herd culling in response to higher feed costs, and short term increases in meat supply. This could decrease prices for some meat products in the short term. That trend would reverse over time after product supplies shrink.

    according to a USDA report.
    In other words, in the short term, buy your pork, beef, and poultry products soon, because the farmers have sold/are selling off their stock early because feed is scarce and they can't afford to feed them.  Stock your freezers.  It's going to be more expensive later, because they're sending their breeding stock to market.
    Vegans can rejoice, but carnivores, take note.  ;-)

    Well Mrs Zorba (none / 0) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 03:15:53 PM EST
    assist the uninformed. What's the lifespan on the  different varieties of frozen man food?

    Well, according to (none / 0) (#13)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 03:42:16 PM EST
    official recommendations (see: this), it's anywhere from 2 months for sausage, 3 months for organ meats, 4 months for the "whiter" meats (poultry, veal, pork) to 6 months for red meat and fish.
    However, we have eaten sausage and bacon frozen for 6 months or more, "white" meats, fish, and red meats up to a year old or a bit more, and, I must say, venison up to a year and a half old.  You may get a bit of freezer burn (cut that off before using), but that's less of a concern if it is very well packaged in airtight packaging, and your freezer is very, very cold and maintains its temperature.  And I wouldn't keep organ meats very long- they do degrade a lot in flavor.

    Please note:  I am not a food scientist, and you should in no way take this as "official" advice.  I'm just telling you our experience.  Plus, I don't want to be sued.   ;-)  


    PS (none / 0) (#16)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 03:46:16 PM EST
    This doesn't apply to dairy products, though.  Milk, yogurt and sour cream really, really don't take to freezing.  You can freeze butter (if you use it) and grated or crumbled cheese (I'm talking the harder cheeses, like Parmesan, Romano, and even cheddar, although I have also frozen crumbled feta) for many months, but not forever.

    I've actually frozen (none / 0) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 03:49:09 PM EST
    cheddar for a while and it was fine.

    Oh, boy, this is all need--for my food budget to be going up. It's not like things aren't very tight already.


    Yes, I have (none / 0) (#22)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 04:16:38 PM EST
    also frozen sold chunks of cheddar, Swiss cheese, myzithra (a Greek grating cheese) and even feta.  They're perfectly okay to use after freezing, but, to my taste, not quite as good as fresh.  They last better, and longer, when frozen after they are grated.

    My local news just told me that bacon can (none / 0) (#59)
    by caseyOR on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 06:45:19 PM EST
    be frozen for up to 1 year if it is wrapped airtight. So, does this mean all bacon lovers should all invest in a food saver? Because just using a ziplock bag is not airtight, right?

    I've frozen bacon for 6 months and not noticed any appreciable degradation in taste. I don't think I've kept anything in freezer for a year.

    Also, I read that frost-free freezers, like the ones most of us have as part of our refrigerators, do not get cold enough to thoroughly freeze stuff that will then last for a year. If you want frozen food to last a long long time, get a separate deepfreeze.

    A favorite autumn dish: brussels sprouts sautéed with bacon and shallots. I love it.


    For long-lasting frozen foods, (none / 0) (#62)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 07:28:10 PM EST
    for pity's sake, don't use a frost-free freezer, casey!  You are absolutely correct. Get a separate deep freezer!  Frost-free freezers cycle on and off- not good at all for long-term freezing.
    I also use a vacuum-sealer system for stuff I want to keep in my freezer on a longer-term basis.  Really, really helps, and cuts way down on any freezer-burn.

    I think I need... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 03:18:25 PM EST
    a bigger freezer!  Gotta have my meats...and I've already been priced out of the finer cuts unless I catch a good sale at the butcher.  

    Some perspective is in order...dumpster diving is all the rage in Spain as austerity measures to please bean counters and banksters take hold.  Sounds like Romney-World, especially the locks on the dumpsters.  Bad scene.


    "a bigger freezer!" (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by NYShooter on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 03:48:30 PM EST
    No need to be "..priced out of the finer cuts..."

    A little consumer advice:

    Many of the supermarkets are now open 24 hours. Since the workers are there overnight anyway, packing out the shelves, they leave one register open for those few customers (like me) who find 3:00 A.M. a perfect time for shopping.

    So, if you're willing to spend a little time doing your due diligence, you can save a lot of money. We all know meats have a "sell by" date stamped on them. And, if a piece is about to be outdated tomorrow, they will mark down that piece today, sometimes substantially. What I've found is that they do this during those wee hours of the morning. If you're going to freeze the meat anyway it doesn't matter that you buy it a day before it becomes "outdated."

    Once you buy Filet Mignon ($24.00/lb) for $9.00, you'll never go back to the old way again.

    Good luck, and happy chomping.


    Way ahead of ya Shooter... (none / 0) (#20)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 03:57:40 PM EST
    I'm already all over the "manager's special" aka "we're throwing this out tomorrow", but at my local butcher.  Supermarket meat sucks...and some don't even bother carrying the good cuts anymore, nobody can afford it.  

    guess you'll all have to come (none / 0) (#12)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 03:35:18 PM EST
    down to the Fabulous Florida Keys and catch some fish to eat...we got all kinds waiting to be caught and grilled.  I even know a guy that knows where they live.

    Mr. Zorba and (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 04:20:58 PM EST
    son Zorba are going out on the Chesapeake Bay tomorrow to fish with their favorite captain.  I am optimistic that they will be bringing some really nice fish home, to eat for dinner. (And extra to freeze.)
    There's just nothing like fresh-caught fish.   ;-)

    Now you're talking fishcamp! (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 03:44:37 PM EST
    In better commodities news, square grouper retail prices holding steady or dropping slightly;)  

    I caught a documentary over the weekend that made me think of you, "Square Grouper: The Godfathers of Ganja".  Very interesting.


    Square grouper prices are (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 04:41:58 PM EST
    dropping but grouper to eat is $16 per lb.  All fish is real expensive down here as they ship it all North.  However lobsters are cheaper than I've ever seen.  Usually I get them right off the boat for $10 per tail but I've been seeing places advertising $5-7 per tail.  Lobster freezes and lasts quite well.  Denser fish like grouper, amberjack, tuna, and other deep cold water fish last longer frozen than yellowtail snapper, tripletail, cero mackerel, sea trout and others that are caught on the surface.  They are catching big 500lb. swordfish now that they've banned long lines and nets.  They catch them 1,500 ft. down with electric reels...not too sporty.  I helped a neighbor cut up a 526 lb. sword the other day and we had hundreds of filets that we gave to the entire neighborhood.  It took 3 hours and fifteen beers to git r done.

    Saw that guy's other doc (none / 0) (#24)
    by Dadler on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 04:21:39 PM EST
    Cocaine Cowboys 2 not long ago.  Crazy.  And the godmother just got whacked in Columbia a few weeks ago.  I'll have to check out the grouper.

    Yes,please take note. (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:43:15 PM EST
    And take up deer hunting, too. I saw about six of them early yesterday evening alongside the road toward Mt. Diablo, and at least a dozen outside El Cajon near San Diego two weeks ago. There doesn't seem to be any shortage of venison on the hoof.

    Do you have any good recipes for venison, Mme. Zorba?


    We don't hunt deer ourselves (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 06:30:49 PM EST
    any longer, but we have a neighbor we allow to hunt on our property, who gives us boxes and boxes of frozen, packed, and labelled venison and venison sausage in return.

    Basically, I use ground venison in any recipe that calls for ground beef (chili, lasagna, moussaka, sloppy Joes, spaghetti sauce, and so on).  The tenderloin sections can be marinated and grilled, but the bigger sections need to be slow-cooked because they are not so tender.  You can also cut them into smaller pieces and use them in soups and stews.  I make a very nice onion soup with venison pieces and caramelized onions, plus a broth I make with bits and pieces and bones.  Also realize that venison is very low in fat, so you have to account for that.

    I basically use venison as I do beef, with the added provision, as I said, that it is low in fat, not "finished" in a feed lot as beef is, and the roasts need to be cooked slowly.

    And if I started to write down all my venison recipes (which I basically do on the fly), it would probably take me quite awhile.  

    Maybe I need to start my own food blog.  ;-)


    I'd read it! n/t (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Yman on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 06:31:47 PM EST
    Thanks, Yman! (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 07:17:38 PM EST
    I may eventually have to do something about starting a blog with all my recipes.  Or else, I need to write a cookbook.   ;-)

    Write it (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 07:58:42 PM EST
    and we can add it to the Rustic Zorba Bed and Breakfast Library.

    LOL! (none / 0) (#72)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 08:28:30 PM EST
    Thanks, Coral.  Maybe I'll do that some day.

    I'd read it, too! (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 09:35:11 PM EST
    You given me some great ideas for the kitchen. I think a food blog by you would be great.

    My late boss, a member of the State Senate, actually enjoyed a pretty good reputation as a fabulous cook, a skill which she first learned from her mother and then further honed over the years as a senior military officer's wife who was expected to entertain lavishly. When we had to work late at the legislature, she'd cook meals for her own staff and colleagues in her kitchen at home, and then bring it all to the Capitol! Needless to say, we were terribly spoiled by her.

    After she retired from the legislature, she and her grandson wrote a cookbook of all her best recipes, which is still sold by his school for fundraising purposes. It's been one of our family's guides over the years when preparing our meals.


    It (none / 0) (#67)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 07:57:55 PM EST
    might be nice if we were doing something about global warming.

    Pork, red meat -- yuck. (none / 0) (#29)
    by brodie on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 04:51:45 PM EST
    Haven't et em for thirty years.

    Vaguely vegan here.  Proudly so.  Will accept occasional baked seafood (not from Japan) and pollo in small amounts.


    To each their own, brodie (none / 0) (#39)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:19:59 PM EST
    Your food choices are your own, certainly, as are mine.  Whatever floats your boat, my brother.   ;-)

    Fur sure. (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by brodie on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:30:38 PM EST
    Just trying to spread the good word for a growing and welcome trend I detect.

    And maybe one day soon we'll have one of our own VVans in the WH.


    I'm not a vegan or even vegetarian, but (none / 0) (#60)
    by shoephone on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 07:01:50 PM EST
    I eat less and less meat every year, and mostly focus on fish if I want animal protein. I feel so much better since changing my diet. And bacon is a killer. Almost 70% of the calories in it are from saturated fat. And a lot of the stuff it's smoked and cured with has carcinogens - ya know, the stuff that causes cancers.



    Proof that... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 02:14:52 PM EST
    most everybody has at least one redeeming quality, I give you the Cyber Fighters of Izz al-Din al-Qassam.

    They musta heard about the death of free checking at the big banks.  Now this is a holy war I can get down with;)

    Okay (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 05:54:35 PM EST
    I watched a few minutes of Romney/Kennedy. Romney would be a great debater if the tea party didn't make him bow down before them. In 1994 Romney looked to be a completely different candidate and a much better one than he is today.

    He's always been (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by brodie on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 06:14:48 PM EST
    quick and slick, in a used car salesman kinda way.  Superficially impressive, until you begin to step back and peel away the layers of distortion, half truths and lies.

    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 06:29:27 PM EST
    but does that matter in the end? If he debates Obama the way that he debated Kennedy he's really got a shot to turn things around.

    Obama's economic record has been abysmal.


    No way. Romney is toast. (none / 0) (#80)
    by magster on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 11:05:38 PM EST
    It's going to take Obama conceding that he is, in fact, a Kenyan socialist in the debate to turn things around.

    I (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 04:26:05 AM EST
    wish that Obama was, in fact, a Kenyan Socialist.

    I guess (none / 0) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 05:15:03 AM EST
    we'll see.

    "Vertigo" (none / 0) (#70)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 08:13:20 PM EST
    I am a big fan of Alfred Hitchcock.

    But recently the British Film Institute named "Vertigo" as the best film of all time.

    I respectfully disagree.

    It is not an easy film to watch for me.

    And I must say that I don't think it is up there with "Citizen Kane", the film it displaced.

    About the "best film" thing;
    There are some films that I can watch over and over again. They are like hanging out with friends. I feel that way about the Rathbone/Bruce Sherlock Holmes films.

    But those films never are considered to be the "best".

    And then there's "Dracula" with Bela Lugosi.
    Since it was released, as Bela himself noted, it has been continuously revived. Doesn't that mean something? People have never stopped wanting to watch it - for what - seven or eight decades.

    And then there are the Bogart films - "Maltese Falcon" for one.
    I can watch that one until forever. I like the films with Peter Lorre and Sidney Greenstreet - "The Verdict", "Three Strangers" in particular.

    The films I never get tired of are never the ones that are voted by those in the know to be the best. What can I say?

    My favorite film from ... (none / 0) (#78)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 09:48:50 PM EST
    ... that era was Billy Wilder's 1944 noir classic Double Indemnity. As the philandering insurance representative Walter Neff, a pre-My Three Sons Fred MacMurray embodied one of the silver screen's most memorable cads (a feat he repeated 11 years later in The Caine Mutiny), and Barbara Stanwyck's scheming, manipulative Phyllis Dietrichson is one of the greatest femme fatales EVAH!

    That's what's great about these lists. When it comes to movies, none of us will ever agree on everything, and it can lead to some pretty fun discussions.


    I was always enamored... (none / 0) (#81)
    by desertswine on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 12:02:40 AM EST
    of Bogart's portrayel of Capt. Queeg(?)with those balls that he kept fiddling with in his hand.

    It's "Gilda" for me (none / 0) (#82)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 12:45:26 AM EST
    Rita Hayworth and Glenn Ford. Riveting.

    I (none / 0) (#84)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 04:25:12 AM EST
    didn't know about this film.

    I found it on Youtube and will watch it.


    Stamp alert for film buffs (none / 0) (#88)
    by DFLer on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 08:38:30 AM EST
    Get your "Great Film Directors" stamps at the post office. Featuring Frank Capra, John Ford, Billy Wilder and John Huston

    "Double (none / 0) (#83)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 04:05:04 AM EST
    Indemnity" is one of the films I can watch over and over.

    That is what I'm trying to say.

    It's not like I'm arguing for what is the "best" film.

    It's more that I'm arguing for a category that allows us to mention the films that we bond with - for whatever reason.

    Even, for example, "This Island Earth".


    NFL Refs (none / 0) (#79)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 09:49:44 PM EST
    reportedly returning Sunday if they can dot the i's