Monday Night Open Thread

The Voice is back! The first singer from Scotland was really good. It's going head to head against the X-Factor premiere on Wednesday, and Simon Cowell is really upset.

Even if you've never watched Bachelor Pad, tonight's finale is worth watching -- just for the ending. It really is a first for the show and pretty controversial.

In other news, CU Prof Ward Churchill lost his battle to regain his job today. The Colorado Supreme Court opinion is here. Churchill will try again with the U.S. Supreme Court.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Elizabeth Warren (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 10, 2012 at 09:29:28 PM EST
    gets a 5 point post convention bounce from a Republican pollster compared to their previous poll from 8/21, pulling to less than 1 point behind Scott Brown. Obama had the same 5 point boost in Massachusetts.

    If valid this is a huge boost for Elizabeth. The bigger the boost going forward for Obama due to an increase in likely voters in Massachusetts the better it will be for Elizabeth.

    For those that like to descramble crosstabs to see how valid this one is.

    from the crosstabs (none / 0) (#3)
    by CST on Mon Sep 10, 2012 at 11:27:40 PM EST
    a few things stick out that give me pause.  That's not to say this isn't valid, but they raise important questions.  #1 - the people polled skew old.  48% of the people questioned were in the oldest age range, only 6% were in each of the two younger age ranges.  The second thing, and this would worry me considering the first thing I mentioned - is that the younger voters seem to choose Brown over Warren a lot more than the older voters.  If that is an actual trend that holds, I would be worried about the age range of this sample.

    That being said, that demographic trend surprises me.  That't not to say it isn't true (that younger voters favor Brown), just that I wasn't expecting it, and certainly not so strongly - and with only 12% of the sample falling between ages 18-39, it could easily be skewed by who they called, especially considering that MA has a heck of a lot of young people - this isn't Florida.  I would note that the 18-29 demographic went strongly (58%) for Coakley in 2010.  This could have shifted drastically since then, but I seriously doubt it.  Voter turnout by this demographic was 15% in 2010, and over 48% in 2008 - part of the reason she lost.  It may not reach the 2008 high, but it should crack 40% at least, and I expect it to trend Warren, despite what this poll says.

    I would also like to know what they mean by "western MA".  The other regions are as to be expected, but western MA is a pretty deep blue area and it's trending Brown/Obama in this poll.  Again, that's not to say it isn't true, it's just confusing.  If you look at this map from the Coakley/Brown election, you'll see what I mean.

    In closing, it's still better news than previous polls, but the race is definitely too close to call.


    A few other notes about the "youth vote" (none / 0) (#7)
    by CST on Tue Sep 11, 2012 at 12:06:39 AM EST
    (d@mn you for making me interested in researching a topic at this hour)

    According to the PPP poll which showed Brown ahead by 5 points a few weeks ago, Warren was beating Brown 47-43 in the 18-29 range (the only group she was ahead in), and losing 48-42 in the 30-45 range (she was losing by over 50% in the older ranges).  This further suggests that this poll isn't accurately reporting on those groups.

    Also, according to some internet blogger that I won't link to because I closed it a while ago and they didn't show a source, in 2008 the 18-29 age group made up 17% of the electorate in MA.


    MNF and DWTS are also on Monday nights (none / 0) (#1)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 10, 2012 at 08:34:19 PM EST
    DWTS starts in 2 weeks. I've got football on tonight . . .

    no way (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 10, 2012 at 11:48:58 PM EST
    I'll sit through Bristol Palin again. Once was enough for five lifetimes.

    My guess is, she's booted early (none / 0) (#8)
    by nycstray on Tue Sep 11, 2012 at 01:00:15 AM EST
    way outta her league with a small and getting smaller fan base.

    I'm all about Emmit :D


    in that case, I'll tune in (none / 0) (#11)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Sep 11, 2012 at 01:05:56 AM EST
    once she's gone. Please keep us posted.

    The Bachelor Pad finale was crazy! (none / 0) (#5)
    by indy in sc on Mon Sep 10, 2012 at 11:54:11 PM EST
    I still don't know how I feel about the outcome--awesome or evil--not sure.

    Even though I knew what (none / 0) (#9)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Sep 11, 2012 at 01:00:26 AM EST
    was going to happen, it was a amazing to watch. Nick really didn't deserve to be there, Rachel's alliance of one (Jaclyn)carried him. And she was much better than him in the rock star competition. He wouldn't have won partnered with anyone else. He pretended to have played a sleeper game but he had no game until Rachel got stuck with him when Michael got bounced. My thoughts pretty much match Lindsay Lohan's who tweeted after it:

    Nick on abc's "bachelor pad" is an idiot. first time i've ever seen this show & watched the finale... his karma will come with his greed.

    Mike Fleiss (the producer) must be in heaven that Lindsay Lohan watched Batchelor Pad. Chris Harrison already retweeted her.

    The overall tweets on the show are pretty funny.


    I don't know. (none / 0) (#12)
    by indy in sc on Tue Sep 11, 2012 at 11:05:02 AM EST
    I think it was greedy on Nick's part.  However, what I think the audience was reacting to in cheering him on was the unfounded sense of entitlement to the money that Rachel, and more bizarrely Jaclyn, seemed to have.  

    Just before Nick did what he did, Jaclyn said that Rachel should do the same because Nick didn't "deserve" it.  He was there at the end just like Rachel.  Rachel tried to leave several times and she also wanted to have Jaclyn and Ed with them at the end which would have assured a victory for Jaclyn and Ed.  Had it not been for Nick insisting they take the house villains with them to the finale, Rachel still would have no money.  That critical part he did do on his own.

    I think Nick should have been the bigger person and shared the money even if he felt he had no real partner in Rachel.  He should have cited everything he cited about his poor treatment, but shared the money anyway.


    Here's something to ponder on a criminal (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 11, 2012 at 12:03:01 AM EST
    I got an advance copy of the book (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Sep 11, 2012 at 01:04:59 AM EST
    the font is so odd I couldn't read it. But that review is so good, maybe I'll try again.  

    Oooh, that does look good (none / 0) (#13)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 11, 2012 at 04:06:28 PM EST
    I read a lot about that case back in the day, and Morris is a reliable storyteller in my book.