Wednesday Night Open Thread

An egg with two yolks. Twin yolks, no less. They are reported to occur in 1 of 1,000 eggs, so they aren't that rare, but today is the first time I've ever cracked an egg and seen them. It didn't taste any different than a regular egg but it was very strange to look at and contemplate how that happens. It used to be considered a good omen -- either of plenitude or that twins are in one's future. Since twins are definitely not in my future, I'll hope it signifies a plenitude of something good is on its way.

I'm less surprised about Prince Harry's nekked pix than am I that he flies commercial.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    I just want you to know, J (5.00 / 6) (#1)
    by Peter G on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 08:16:01 PM EST
    that the twin yolk thing cannot happen if the chicken was raped. I veterinarian told me that ... I think it was.

    Do you mean ... (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Yman on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 08:45:56 PM EST
    ... legitimately raped?

    that was really funny (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 08:29:45 PM EST
    especially since I just read about 10 explanations about the two yolks and they were all very biological (or whatever the equivalent is of biology for hens.)

    Twin Yolks! (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by DebFrmHell on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 09:35:00 PM EST
    I can't believe you all can eat them.  I see them in a skillet and I throw them out.  I can't even scramble them.  Gives me the willies...  o_O !

    Sorry about typos (none / 0) (#4)
    by Peter G on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 08:33:55 PM EST
    in both my comments on this thread.  I really must get in the habit of proofreading twice before posting.

    re typos (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by DFLer on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 08:59:45 PM EST
    ya cknow that litle skiggly red line apppears when you tipe. You jus have to keep editng tipo til the red line ghos  away. Just tells you it's wrong...never offers an altearnatiff

    red line doesn't appear in preview...durn!


    In Firefox... (none / 0) (#41)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 09:36:48 AM EST
    ...it underlines misspelled words in all text boxes.  Right click on it and it offers suggestion, or you can add the word to the dictionary.

    If only it could check my grammar like Outlook...

    You can also right click in the text box and undo may times in case you accidentally deleted something.


    dude thanks! (none / 0) (#42)
    by DFLer on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 10:05:27 AM EST

    never saw that suggested spellings box, cause the cursor never showed as a pointer, but sure enough...it's there. (I use Firefox-always)

    Important news for BTD! (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Peter G on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 08:24:46 PM EST
    Esteemed senior federal judge Jack Weinstein rules that on-line poker does not violate the federal gambling laws, because poker is not gambling -- it's a game skillmore than of chance.

    this is good news (none / 0) (#6)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 08:39:59 PM EST
    It's not the case I was thinking of (so I just deleted my first comment) but it definitely deserves a post. Hopefully tomorrow.

    Very cool... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 08:49:49 AM EST
    buzz on the felt is legal online poker is coming.  In addition to this sensible ruling, there are other indicators.  As part of the DOJ settlement, Pokerstars bought out Full Tilt and agreed to make their US players who got stiffed whole. Why would they agree to do that unless they new something was poppin'?

    Unfortunately, the ruling does us no good for brick & mortar cardrooms in NY, the state law has a different definition of gambling.

    But under the judge's ruling, poker dens would still be considered gambling under New York law, which defines the activity as any game that has some dependence on luck, while the federal statute says gambling is mostly dependent on luck.

    But if we're gonna get real casinos in the NY with real table games, I assume a law change will be necessary, maybe we'll have some legal brick & mortar games before I die.  That would be wonderful progress.


    That Definition... (none / 0) (#46)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 10:22:52 AM EST
    ...should cover the lottery.  It's entirely dependent on luck.  And not to point out the obvious, but what game doesn't have 'some dependence on luck' ?  From football to pinball.

    I understand why the people might not want gambling, but Poker, where the house's cut is predetermined and known before the game, should be legal, especially when there is dedicated dealing with no interest in who wins.  There is a chance factor, but the skill factor, more than likely, will determine the outcome over time.

    And lastly, I can't believe they use the term luck in a legal sense.  What does that mean legally, far too subjective to use IMO, maybe games of chance.  But for a judge to say it's about luck is pretty weak tea.


    Lottery is a-ok.... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 10:38:13 AM EST
    because the state is the house, the people can't be running no games, cutting in on that action;)

    To which the obvious answer is, open up some NYS Poker Rooms, the state sure could use the rake, and jobs!  I don't give a f8ck who's running the game, Albany crime family or Gambino crime family or N.A. tribe, I just wanna play local without having to worry about a cop busting down the door stealing all the money and locking up some poor dealers working solely for tips.  


    Curiosity (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Cylinder on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 09:14:17 PM EST
    Today, JPL hosted a MSL Sol 16 update news conference, as well as an update teleconference yesterday.

    In honor of the late author who would have turned 93 today, Curiosity landing site has been named Bradbury Landing.

    One of the insrutments in MSL's REMS weather suite has failed. This was one of two wind speed indicators mounted on Curiosity's mast. The failure is thought to be caused by debris damage during landing. The failure is thought to be permanent. It will only affect wind speed measurements from certain directions relative to the rover mast.

    Curiosity deployed and tested its robotic arm without any anomaly. Next days will be spent cablibrating the arm for use in Martian gravity field.

    The MSL team has completed its initial check out with only one failure. The next period consists of a commissioning intermission which will allow Curiosity drive time and surface science. Senior review board will now investigate progress before giving the go ahead to proceed with final commissioning.

    Curiosity has completed its initial mobility test. Tests include steering test for all 4 steering actuators and a short drive and turn test. The rover drove 4 1/2 meters, tuned and backed up 2 1/2 meters. All mobitlity tests are normal.

    The sample test has been postponed to give rover team more drive time. After a few days of driving and surface science, MSL will start 400-meter traverse to Glenelg for about a month of science, then head to Mt. Sharp. En route to Glenelg, team will look for fine powder soil to test sample mechanisms.

    Jingoism bells. (none / 0) (#25)
    by lentinel on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 05:21:01 AM EST
    When Curiosity landed, President Obama issued the following statement:

    Tonight's success, delivered by NASA, parallels our major steps forward towards a vision for a new partnership with American companies to send American astronauts into space on American spacecraft.

    The NYTimes reports that:

    An instrument, provided by Russia, has started firing neutrons into the soil to look for hydrogen, which would point to the presence of water.

    It wouldn't have hurt to give credit where credit is due.

    If there was some international cooperation with regards to this achievement, I like knowing about it;


    International (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Cylinder on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 08:48:06 AM EST
    If there was some international cooperation with regards to this achievement, I like knowing about it;

    The REMS weather suite is a Spanish instrument.

    The DAN subsurface neutron probe was provided by the Russian Institute for Space Research.

    You don't get to talk to Mars in a reliable manner without help from the Aussie and Spanish nodes of the Deep Space Network.

    Canada provided the APXS x-ray spectrometer on Curiosity's arm.

    The French CNES provided the Chemcam laser, telescope and camera as well as SAM's gas chromatograph.

    Germany Aerospace Center helped out with the RAD radiation detector suite.


    Wow! (none / 0) (#49)
    by lentinel on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 10:40:47 AM EST
    I guess Obama overlooked a few people.

    Sounds like you're local here in SoCal? (none / 0) (#59)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 11:59:08 AM EST
    Something weird happened the other day.... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Jello333 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 09:43:31 PM EST
    ... and I'm just wondering if anyone else has experienced something like this. My son got a letter from the city attorney's office of a town we used to live in. It was telling him he still owed money for a couple of tickets (city ordinance violations) he had gotten. He could either pay them now, or if not he had to show up in court in a few days. He HAD to show up, or else a warrant would be issued. The violations were for minor consuming alcohol, and discharging a BB-gun in the city limits (the two weren't connected in any way).

    Oh, by the way, did I mention that these tickets were from 1994? That's right... 18 years ago! I called the office and told them how dumb I thought that was, but they admitted that they were going back AS MUCH AS 30 YEARS, to try to collect everything they could. They said there is no statue of limitations on this, and the only choice my son had was to come into court and talk to the judge. At least they offered to continue it till next month if we wanted. (Yee haw!)

    So anyway, I'm wondering if Jeralyn or anyone else here thinks this is as bogus as I do. I'm not asking legal advice (this is in IL, by the way). I just thought some of you'd get a kick out of this.

    I wonder how much it is costing them (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by nycstray on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 10:02:30 PM EST
    to go back through 30yrs of tickets, track down the people, process payments and/or have them talk to a judge (do they need a public defender for some of these?)? Might not be worth all the man hours to try and collect on old citations. BTW, does he owe the 1994 rate?

    They are probably counting on people to (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 10:33:19 PM EST
    just pay them - in which case, the overhead on these old violations is much less.

    I think they are broke (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 08:08:30 AM EST
    Any dollar they can come up with

    Yeah, as Bmaz said... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jello333 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 11:04:11 PM EST
    ... these might be criminal, or maybe not. If they are, then I suppose we could talk to a public defender. I really wouldn't wanna take up their time for something like this, but maybe they'd at least be able to point me in the right direction for a statute of limitations or something. That way I could just go into court with my son (on our own) and I could point out the relevant statute to the judge. And then we could ask him to order the city to reimburse us for our time and trouble. ;)

    I CANNOT believe (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by bmaz on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 10:09:08 PM EST
    ...there is no pertinent statute of limitations. The matters look criminal in nature, even if classifies as "petty offenses".  The other alternative is somehow such matters are classified as civil in that jurisdiction.  Either way, there must be general statutes of limitation.  Jeebus.

    When we lived there, there was... (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jello333 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 11:09:47 PM EST
    ... an ongoing debate about whether or not to build a skatepark in town. Half the people were for it, half against. The city was mostly opposed. And you know one of the reasons they gave? They would lose revenue from all the tickets they were currently handing out daily for "skateboarding on sidewalks" or "... city property", etc. If they built the park, most kids would finally have a "legal" place to skate, and the city would be out the money from the tickets. I kid you not!

    and the (Cali bicycle) cop almost arrested me for an outstanding warrant in Idaho from 26 years ago for failure to obtain a biz license (college summer gig selling stuff door-to-door).

    I, literally, had no idea of the warrant. Ever.

    The next day I called the ID courthouse and talked to the prosecutor and he offered to quash the warrant and vacate the charge (or something like that, ianal) the very next day.

    Anyway, yes I think your son's situation is bogus, and maybe a phone call from your now mature, respectful and respected son might alleviate the issue. Perhaps he makes a small donation to the town's city hall or something...


    Wow, yours was even worse! (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Jello333 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 12:48:43 AM EST
    Sometimes I think the whole world is insane. But yeah, before his court date (next month), he'll probably call and talk to somebody at the city and see how it goes.

    A thirty-year (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Zorba on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 04:48:43 PM EST
    statute of limitations???  Yes, it's insane.
    What is the statute of limitations on banking fraud, and will anyone go after them?  Somehow, I doubt it.  :-(

    Or wars crimes (none / 0) (#80)
    by Jello333 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 11:05:09 PM EST
    For Bush and his buddies. Ummm... and sadly, for Obama now, too.

    We really need an edit option here! (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Jello333 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 11:07:52 PM EST
    ("wars crimes")

    Josh's school day (5.00 / 4) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 11:07:03 PM EST
    His first period teacher did not have a flag up yet but insisted they say the pledge this morning, to the wall.  Josh says he cannot lie so he said, "I pledge allegiance to the wall, in the United States of America.  And to the Republic in which it stands".

    That is awesome! (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 11:27:33 PM EST
    Give him a high five for me.

    Odd day (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Amiss on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 08:21:33 PM EST
    Today was my b'day and the custom for me is to renew my driver's license in the appropriate year. This year was a bit more difficult than usual because I chose to drop my first name and use my middle name as my first and my maiden name as my middle and I took my husband's last name. I have done this 3 times. The last one was a keeper and still alive. The social security agency and every driver's license and every legal document I have ever signed has been this way. Now the state of Fla. in it's infinite wisdom has informed me that I can not use this name as a legal name ever again one that I have used for over 40years! I was told I had to go to court to get a name change and would have to produce marriage licenses from 40 years ago before they will even issue me a driver's license!
    I sure hope they catch all of these poor illegal immigrants! I know if I were not already a citizen I sure would not want to jump through all of these hoops they are making me jump through just to drive legally.BTW my license expired today. God help me if I get caught driving!

    I wouldn't take that "no" for an answer (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Peter G on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 10:31:45 PM EST
    Amiss.  How high up was the bozo that told you that you couldn't get a new DL under the name you've been using for 40 years?  At least try to go up a few levels asking for a supervisor. Or contact your local state legislator to intervene with DMV for you.  You might mention along the way that you think this might make an interesting story for some local TV or newspaper columnist. That might encourage them to issue you the license.  It worked in PA for the old lady who was the lead plaintiff in the ACLU's voter-ID suit. You might also contact your local ACLU chapter for legal assistance.

    Happy, Happy!!! :) (none / 0) (#77)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 09:14:45 PM EST
    Look on the bright side, maybe all your info won't show up on Spokeo now! <snark> :D

    Hey, are you still able to vote?

    Hope you had a great day otherwise :)


    no (none / 0) (#82)
    by Amiss on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 09:48:59 AM EST
    I am not able to vote either because we just moved. So according to Fla. Law without the "proper photo id" I can't vote either.

    Which was, of course, the point (none / 0) (#84)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 03:52:38 PM EST
    Happy Birthday! (none / 0) (#78)
    by sj on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 09:44:43 PM EST
    Until you get your new super duper official state ID and license, be sure to observe speed limits in school zones and construction zones :\

    Thanks much! (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Amiss on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 09:51:31 AM EST
    I will try my best to observe all laws even tho it sure makes it hard. :)

    double-yolkers (none / 0) (#5)
    by desmoinesdem on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 08:39:01 PM EST
    always make me think of my great aunt. She was able to get them from a local supplier (maybe the butcher?) and always served them as the hard-boiled eggs during the Passover seders in her Sioux City home. I guess farmers can identify them when they are candling the eggs, but I don't know how my great aunt was able to get a dozen or more of them every year for the seder. I've only ever cracked one open a few times in my life.

    I buy "jumbo" eggs, (none / 0) (#8)
    by Zorba on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 08:47:09 PM EST
    and I get double-yolked eggs on a regular basis with them.  A month or two ago, in fact, I bought a dozen jumbo eggs, and over half of them were double-yolked.  Who knows why?

    Use all those double yokes (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 10:34:36 AM EST
    to make key lime pie, and sell the whites to your local weight lifters. (oh, and send the pies to me)

    Never made key lime pie, but I gather (none / 0) (#54)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 10:57:54 AM EST
    that it's not like lemon meringue pie?  Otherwise, you could use the whites for meringue.

    You can make a fabulous lemon curd with those yolks...and give yourself a facial with the whites.  You can use the white alone, or you can mix in a little lemon juice and some honey.  Let it dry and rinse off with warm water.


    To make a classic (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Zorba on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 07:30:01 PM EST
    key lime pie, it is definitely not like lemon meringue- no egg white meringue topping.  And you must use juice from key limes, which are not like the regular limes that you normally get.  The "key lime" is more acidic, so it is tarter and a maybe a bit more bitter than the Persian limes that are usually available.
    And, oh geez, why do I even know this?

    Perhaps you were inspired (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 09:49:32 PM EST
    by Nora Ephron and her autobiographical novel "Heartburn," or maybe the film with Meryl Streep.

    Here is Nora's recipe:
    Frozen Key Lime Pie

    1 1/2 cups graham cracker crumbs, (about 15 crackers)

    6 tablespoons unsalted butter, melted and cooled

    6 large egg yolks

    1 cup freshly squeezed key lime juice

    2 cans (14 ounces each) sweetened condensed milk

    1 tablespoon finely grated Key lime zest

    1 cup heavy cream

    1 tablespoon sugar

    Preheat oven to 375 degrees. Combine the cracker crumbs and butter in a medium bowl, and mix until moist. Evenly press mixture into a 9-inch pie plate, and bake until lightly browned, about 12 minutes. Remove from oven, and transfer to a wire rack until completely cooled.

    In a medium heatproof bowl, whisk the yolks and lime juice together until combined. Set bowl over a saucepan of simmering water, and cook, whisking constantly, until mixture is foamy and registers 160 degrees on an instant-read thermometer, about 6 minutes. Remove bowl from heat, and whisk in condensed milk and zest until well-combined. Pour into cooled pie shell and smooth top with a rubber spatula. Freeze until firm, 3 hours.

    Remove pie from freezer 10 minutes before serving. Combine cream and sugar in the bowl of an electric mixer fitted with the whisk attachment. Whisk on medium speed until soft peaks form, 2 to 3 minutes. Spread evenly over pie or dollop on each slice along with a slice of lime, and serve immediately. Serves 8

    I believe in the book it only served one :)


    When I see (none / 0) (#26)
    by lentinel on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 05:22:50 AM EST
    double yolks, I always hesitate.

    I usually wind up making scrambled eggs anyway...
    but I do look at them awhile before whisking.
    I'm not sure why.


    I have a hard time eating them (none / 0) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 08:04:18 AM EST
    When they have happened to me unplanned.  I know someone who bakes a lot who told me what Zorba shared, that Jumbos often double yolk, and she takes advantage of that when she needs yolks.  If I were expecting it, that would help.  It is that it is unexpected, and eggs have always weirded me out just a little.  I have never been able to eat a fertilized egg either.  And when you are at the ranch for the summer and you won't eat a fertilized egg it will make your cousins giggle about your city eccentrities.

    Fertilized gags don't bother me (none / 0) (#44)
    by Zorba on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 10:10:56 AM EST
    any more than eating chicken would.
    And as for the double-yolked eggs, think of it this way.  Even if they had been fertilized and allowed to be incubated, one or both of the chicks within would have died before hatching, anyway.  Two live chicks from one egg is rare.    

    Meant "eggs" (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Zorba on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 10:15:02 AM EST
    Not "gags".
    Stupid iPad- it thinks it knows what you want to type and changes it, and sometimes the stupid thing is wrong.

    Isn't (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by lentinel on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 10:42:28 AM EST
    a fertilized gag something that Milton Berle liked to tell?

    I have egg issues (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 11:42:27 AM EST
    Goes away if it's a quiche. I won't eat bologna or hot dogs, and that started when I was a kid and I went to the meat packing house once when a calf broke its leg badly.  I liked hot dogs up to that day.  I barely touched meat for two years after that, but I'm for sure not touching anything made out of pieces parts ever again. I'm just a little extra stranger than most in this area for some reason.  I don't like hamburger much either, I try to buy ground chuck.  That comforts me for some reason.

    I'll kill a vegetable though with extra zeal.


    I have a friend (none / 0) (#63)
    by Zorba on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 01:46:22 PM EST
    who makes her own sausage.  She buys the chunks of meat and the casings, and grinds the meat, seasons it, and stuffs the casings.  She uses natural casings (they're made from the intestines).
    And her sausages are really, really excellent.  Best we've ever had.
    I don't like, and avoid eating, most "regular" hot dogs.  Kosher ones are usually pretty good, though.  I've never liked bologna, I just don't care for the flavor.  Good salami, yes.  Bologna, no.

    Making sausage is FUN!!! :D (none / 0) (#66)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 02:01:50 PM EST
    I should have bought (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Zorba on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 02:47:04 PM EST
    a meat grinder and a sausage funnel back when we were raising beef cattle.  I bet our beef would have made excellent beef sausage- no hormones or other additives.  I may have to take up sausage-making at some point.  In between canning and freezing all our vegetables, and making my own jellies and jams, of course.    ;-)
    We do have a couple of smokers, and we have started to smoke some meat and chicken, as well as fish caught by Mr. Zorba.
    If I were younger, I would be tempted to open a restaurant.  But it's too much work for these old bones.

    I'm sure (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 04:29:30 PM EST
    you would have a full list of reservations with just the Zorba B&B. I'll even catch the fish.

    Well, our house is (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Zorba on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 04:43:57 PM EST
    way too small for that, CoralGables.  But we have a really nice, Amish-built, post and beam barn, that perhaps could be converted into a B&B.  Except that, it's full of hay bales and some farm equipment, not to mention the huge overflow of our many hundreds of boxes of books, and a bunch of extra (inherited) furniture that does not fit into our house.
    When Mr. Zorba retires, if his (very small) pension, our Social Security, and our 401-K's prove to be inadequate, we may need to reconsider this.  I bet that Mr. Zorba, who is an excellent fisherman and knows many fishing spots, would also be willing to guide those who are interested in fishing.  Plus, for those interested in hunting, we have a lot of acreage full of deer.  I have a lot of good recipes for venison, too.    ;-)  

    B&B Marketing Expert (5.00 / 5) (#72)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 05:11:11 PM EST
    Amish-built, post and beam barn = rustic accomodations

    hay bales = dude ranch atmosphere

    overflow of our many hundreds of boxes of books = library on site

    inherited furniture that does not fit into our house = antique furnishings

    Mr Zorba = experienced hunting and fishing guide available on private preserve


    Hee, hee! (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Zorba on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 07:08:30 PM EST
    Well, if we decide to go there, I will definitely ask you to be our marketing expert, CoralGables.  You seem to have the lingo down pat!   ;-)

    I had made sausage on and off (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 05:19:23 PM EST
    over the years, so decided to take a class from these guys a couple yrs ago. It was a blast :) Even learned how to do those fancy link things that you see hanging (can't think of how to word that, lol!~)

    If there are two yolks (none / 0) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 11:44:03 AM EST
    Does the one chick get both?

    Don't know exactly how it works (none / 0) (#61)
    by Zorba on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 01:09:20 PM EST
    All I know (or so I was told once by someone at the Extension Service) is that the two embryos will compete for space and nutrients, and the vast majority of the time, at least one dies, and often both.  If the first one that dies gets necrotic, that can create a bad environment for the remaining chick, and it, too, will die.
    Or maybe you don't want to know that much.......

    Family story... (none / 0) (#62)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 01:41:46 PM EST
    a family member in my wife's extended family tells us she was x-rayed some years ago because of lower back pain and the tiny calcified embryo of her twin sister was discovered w/in her...

    I've heard that it happens, (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Zorba on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 01:51:57 PM EST
    but I've never known anyone to whom that did happen.  Very strange stuff.  How did your wife's relative feel about this?  Just mildly interested, or kind of freaked out?

    Really bummed, actually. (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 02:01:07 PM EST
    A lifetime of love, lost.

    I can understand this (none / 0) (#67)
    by Zorba on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 02:35:45 PM EST
    The identical twins that I know are incredibly close, and have a special bond that the rest of us can only imagine.  (Granted, I don't know all that many, but it's true for the few that I do know.)  

    What is it with the Royal Family's second sons? (none / 0) (#20)
    by caseyOR on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 11:42:57 PM EST
    Prince Andrew, the Queen's second son, was a notorious party-boy who famously, or infamously, dated a porn star named Koo Stark for a time. There was talk at the time that Andrew intended to marry Koo.

    It was reported then that the Queen was both amused and frustrated by Andrew's antics.

    One thing for sure.... (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 09:26:52 AM EST
    Harry seems way cooler than Will;)

    I guess not having the burden of having to wear the crown one day gives the second son the opportunity to spread his wings in a way the heir to throne cannot.


    In Harry's case (none / 0) (#28)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 07:01:40 AM EST
    These pics look like they are in a private hotel room - don't they?  As, um, "unconventional" it might be to be "playing pool" in the buff, this doesn't seem the same as being falling down drunk in public or going around town with a pron star.

    Who took these pictures and leaked them?


    According to Jimmy Fallon (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by DFLer on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 10:06:31 AM EST
    Harry was playing a pool game called "two balls, no pockets"

    DNA (2.00 / 1) (#37)
    by P3P3P3P3 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 08:45:54 AM EST
    like mother like sons

    They Were Discussing it This Morning... (none / 0) (#51)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 10:47:01 AM EST
    ...with some Brit journalist and he was saying that there was a huge breach in security, they should have made sure no one had phones before hanging out with the prince.

    I really have a problem with the media printing pics in which someone assumes they have privacy.  Is nothing off limits, do we actually have to write legislation to ensure our late night dirt doesn't end up on the web.  Not just this instance, but come one, with everything being micronized, it's nearly impossible to ensure private moments won't be exploited.  If I secretly video taped girls and posted them to the internet, I would expect to get in some pretty deep S, not make bucks off them if they happen to be famous.

    This has to be illegal, you can't take pics or video people when they expect privacy.  And the media should not be able to print something that was obtained illegally.

    Steven Powell who video taped his daughter in law was convicted of something.


    I don't know that we need... (none / 0) (#55)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 10:59:12 AM EST
    another criminal law...people just gotta be more careful with the company they keep in light of the new technology.

    At my sister's annual Christmas rager, there is a strict no camera rule after midnight, and no one is invited who wouldn't respect that rule.  That way we can let it all hang out.  And one time at a bachelor party, I saw a dude whip out a phone to record some antics and I read him the riot act.

    Just like a good host collects all the car keys so nobody does anything stupid, maybe the host should collect the devices until the party is over.


    I think it is somehting to do with the (none / 0) (#85)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 03:54:49 PM EST
    knowledge will probably never have, or need, a job harder than making public appearances. At least the first sons are given some responsibility.

    I don't know how many people... (none / 0) (#22)
    by desertswine on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 12:00:26 AM EST
    saw this, but when I opened it at work, I couldn't stop laughing.

    Heart in my throat (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 08:07:52 AM EST
    How could this happen?  Rather easily it sounds.  But aren't we often a little crazed about protecting art?  Then something like this happens

    I don't even know how to react to that (none / 0) (#33)
    by sj on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 08:12:18 AM EST
    While I have been known to engage in inappropriate laughter, in this case I'm just speechless.

    I Saw That Yesterday (none / 0) (#52)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 10:50:06 AM EST
    Still don't know how an old lady goes to a church with her paints, and paints without anyone noticing.  She took her time, there is color mixing and the smell and...  It's almost too ridiculous to believe.

    Alert: Another conservative crazy man (none / 0) (#23)
    by shoephone on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 12:40:23 AM EST
    This one is running for sheriff in New Hampshire. Says he would stop at nothing--including using deadly force--to prevent an abortion from taking place.

    When asked about using deadly force to prevent an abortion, he replied, "I would hope that it wouldn't come to that, as with any situation where someone is in danger, but again, specifically talking about elective abortions and late-term abortions, that is an act that needs to be stopped."

    Szabo has previously said he would arrest anyone involved in performing an abortion, claiming it is equivalent to murder. He told CBS News that he would only use deadly force "if there is no other choice."

    He's been asked by New Hampshire's Republican Speaker of the House to drop out of the race...

    Yes, I just love it when people who (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 05:40:02 AM EST
    claim to be "pro-life" express their reverence for life by proclaiming they would be willing to kill to prevent an abortion...

    And that makes sense to them.


    And Love the Cops... (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 10:52:08 AM EST
    ...who have such little respect for the law they are suppose to enforce.

    Kudos to Kos (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 07:54:15 AM EST
    For writing that piece too about beating Akin but not beating him too hard, at least not until the hard deadline is past.  I was depressed about the whole situation yesterday, but a game plan and knowing how to win this thing cures every funk in the world (at least for me).  I could almost swear though that Kos has a few credit hours in Women's Studies these days :)  It's all good

    This is what we've come to (none / 0) (#34)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 08:18:26 AM EST
    And Romney's gone all southern (none / 0) (#35)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 08:21:50 AM EST

    "It is free men and women that drive our economy. Freedom is what makes America work. And President Obama, bless his heart, has tried to substitute government for free people-and it has not worked, and it will never work," Mitt Romney said at LeClaire Manufacturing in Bettendorf, Iowa [yesterday].

    Rep. Steve King, who has never heard of a minor (none / 0) (#36)
    by Farmboy on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 08:25:05 AM EST
    getting pregnant as a result of statutory rape, has just discovered that there are 59 different student ethnic groups at Iowa State University. Here he works for a decade to close Iowa's borders to people of color, and the state U is letting them walk right in.

    The horror, the horror.

    My horror is that he has a huge lead in the polls.

    Obama and Romney (none / 0) (#56)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 11:03:47 AM EST
    On Medicare - they virtually agree

    Democrats have been salivating over the chance to hit Republicans as Medicare-cutters ever since Rep. Paul Ryan turned his budget into holy writ for the House GOP. And Republicans have been deriding Obama as a Medicare-cutter ever since the Affordable Care Act derived some of its savings from rollbacks of subsidies designed to induce private insurance plans to bid for the right to cover senior citizens. Meanwhile on the elite level, a different--indeed completely contrary--debate is taking place, in which pundits argue about who'll do a better job of cutting Medicare. David Brooks says it's Ryan and Mitt Romney who are really serious about axing the program, while former Obama OMB Director Peter Orszag denounces Ryan/Romney as relying on an unworkable "private-market tooth fairy."

    For my part, I think it's perverse that the substantive focus of the campaign has shifted away from the more pressing subject of mass unemployment. But as long as we're talking long-term entitlement policies, it's worth noting that on Medicare, Obama and Romney actually agree about almost everything.


    Where they disagree is on how to implement the cuts. Ryan's proposal is to turn Medicare into a voucher program where seniors would get a subsidy with which to buy an insurance package, with the value of the subsidy limited by the overall growth target. Obama's proposal is to hit the growth target the way foreign single-payer systems limit their costs, with more aggressive bureaucratic management of what Medicare is willing to pay for and how much it's willing to pay.

    The difference between outsourcing (Ryan) and centralized rationing (Obama) is an important one, but from a patient's point of view they might end up looking pretty similar. Under Ryan's approach, the poor will be left with bare-bones plans and more affluent seniors will either pay higher premiums to get more deluxe plans or else pay out-of-pocket for noncovered services. Under Obama's approach, the poor will be left with bare-bones Medicare and more affluent seniors will either buy separate supplemental insurance plans or else pay out-of-pocket for noncovered services. The workability of Obama's idea, in my view, is well-validated by international experience while the Romney/Ryan alternative amounts to taking a leap of faith in the magic of the private sector. But ironically it's essentially the same leap of faith Obama is taking in his signature health care program for nonseniors--the view that an adequately regulated, subsidized system of private insurance plans can provide reasonable coverage at reasonable cost


    Yeah, I have a thought (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by sj on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 12:58:10 PM EST
    It stinks to be approaching retirement age while either Republicans or Democrats hold the WH or the Senate or the House of Representatives.