Saturday Open Thread: Romney's Wrong Turn

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Ryan: The Wrong Turn

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    The GOP thought (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 03:23:11 PM EST
    that if they sabotaged the economy, they could run anybody and beat Obama.  Choosing "anybody but Obama" gave them the opportunity to run an entire season series of "Survivor: the Clown Academy."

    And what a clown academy it was!  The best and the brightest of the right turned out to be challenged in every aspect of, well, everything.  Ethics, math, command of English, foreign policy, humility, personality, intelligence, if you were looking for a specific above-average quality that is helpful for a president, they didn't have one among them.

    Boy did the GOP get anybody!  Mitt will be anybody you can describe carefully enough to him.  If Mitt had not been born to a rich family, it's hard to say what depths he might have sunk to, because when it comes to incompetence he takes it off the scale.  His campaign reflects his cluelessness and indecisiveness.  They won't take a definitive stand on which way is north.

    Looks to me like the GOP trashed our economy for nothing.

    I have to take exception (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by NYShooter on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 05:38:27 PM EST
    To this statement:
    "....when it comes to incompetence he takes it off the scale...."

    An incompetent couldn't have taken a Bain, and ruled it with such ferocity, inhuman calculation, and surgical precision as to literally squeeze the last ounce of blood out of the carcasses of its victims.

    That's the sociopathy of a Ruler. With Bain it was, "do as I say."  But, politics is the art of persuasion, and, as we've learned from the little history we've seen, ole Mitt never learned to play well with others.

    He must have been truly shocked to learn that American citizens won't accept their lives being destroyed, simply because he decrees it, as did the poor souls from the companies he vaporized.

    If memory serves me correctly, I seem to recall a certain, little corporal from the middle of the last century who also didn't come into his own until he became a Ruler.

    Save the Godwin, draw your own conclusions.


    "The Austrian vagabond"? (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 05:44:11 PM EST
    Ding! ding! (none / 0) (#18)
    by NYShooter on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 08:08:37 PM EST
    We have a winner! Give that man a kewpie doll

    oops (none / 0) (#19)
    by NYShooter on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 08:09:15 PM EST
    ...or lady:)

    Congrats to the U.S. Women's hoop squad (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Dadler on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 04:46:08 PM EST
    Just destroyed France in the gold medal game.  These ladies are the most dominant US team in decades...in ANY sport.

    And also cheers to Mexico, which ... (none / 0) (#23)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 08:47:39 PM EST
    ... shocked el mundo del fútbol today by defeating Brazil in London, 2-1, to win the gold medal in men's soccer.

    The Mexican men's stunning run to the Olympics championship is without a doubt a monumental upset of considerable magnitude. Understandably, the people are dancing in the streets throughout Mexico right now, from the Yucatan to Tijuana. Fútbol is second only to Roman Catholicism there as something akin to a national religion, and this is a country that was in dire need of some good news.

    Well, their team delivered handsomely in London, and in so doing, they announced Mexico's arrival on Fútbol's world stage. The Mexicans now have to be considered a serious darkhorse for the 2014 World Cup.


    Not what they wanted (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by CoralGables on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 05:45:29 PM EST
    I'm sure.

    The Miami local news here tonight opened the broadcast with weather.

    The local newspaper headline online reads:
    "Ryan could be a drag on Romney in Florida"

    Loved the 'yeah, that was good ' smiles at the end (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by ruffian on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 06:09:52 PM EST
    I am referring of course to Eric and Steve, not R and R.

    I am really looking forward to an election focused on the Ryan budget. I especially want all the GOP congress critters to have to get behind it.

    That would be fine (none / 0) (#66)
    by sj on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 01:15:33 PM EST
    I am really looking forward to an election focused on the Ryan budget. I especially want all the GOP congress critters to have to get behind it.
    if I could be really certain that no Dems would also get behind it.

    It's actually the perfect pairing: (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 07:14:14 PM EST
    The Über-Capitalist and the Aynrandtron pretty much sums up the current state of the GOP. Just call this the "Atlas Shagged" tour.

    I think Ryan's stauch (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by observed on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 07:56:00 PM EST
    Ayn Randian Roman Catholicism is a great example of Republican intellectual integrity.

    Not to mention the fact that ... (3.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 08:22:46 PM EST
    ... Ryan received Social Security survivor's benefits until age 22, while he attended college at the University of Miami.

    He's just another sorry-a$$ed example of Republicans who want to pull up the drawbridge and set fire to the moat after they got theirs.


    Reports on this that I read (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Towanda on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 08:39:28 PM EST
    if admittedly a while ago, had it that Ryan got SS survivor benefits until he was 18 -- two years, as I recall -- but banked the funds for college.  

    Source on him collecting for six years?


    I'll have to defer to you on this. (none / 0) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 08:57:52 PM EST
    I only heard the story, and didn't check it out myself, and so made what might be an erroneous assumption. Children are generally allowed to collect S.S. survivor's benefits until age 22 as long as they are enrolled full-time in college.

    (Disclosure: My mother also received SS survivor's benefits on my behalf until I graduated from high school at age 18, because my father was killed in the Vietnam War. I was also eligible to receive V.A. benefits, but had to decline both after I accepted a full-ride baseball scholarship at Washington -- otherwise, I'd have been declared ineligible under NCAA rules. The NCAA is a stickler when it comes to "outside earnings." Hope they've changed that sometime over the last 30 years.)


    Wall Street Journal verified it, I see (none / 0) (#26)
    by Towanda on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 09:38:25 PM EST
    from sources -- but for only two years, from age 16 to 18.

    I do believe, Donald, that you're a lot older than Mr. Ryan.  Check the changes in benefits -- or, as it were, "entitlements."  (Or yours may have been different due to being the son of a veteran killed in combat?)


    I have nine years on him. (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 09:51:37 PM EST
    But regardless, Paul Ryan was still a direct beneficiary of the Social Security system, just as I was.

    But unlike me, Ryan's just another selfish Republican who wants to raise the drawbridge and set the moat afire, right after he got his.


    Oh, yes, we need to tell this story (5.00 / 6) (#28)
    by Towanda on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 10:20:09 PM EST
    on Ryan, and often -- and especially in the context of him saying he worked his way through college without "handouts."

    That is, we have him telling a lie.  But to score on that, we have to tell the truth.


    Handouts? (3.67 / 3) (#30)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:31:54 AM EST
    I got through college on the same social security benefit plus a VA benefit, all due to the death of my father, a Navy pilot, before I was four years old.  I paid a high price for what you have so insulting derided as a handout.  The price my father paid was much, much higher.

    I don't think anyone on this blog (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 10:00:37 AM EST
    Thinks you got a handout.  Paul Ryan and 1/2 of the Republican party and base thinks you got a hand out and that you should probably have it beaten out of you in a fashion that allows millionaires to make more money.

    "Handout" (none / 0) (#68)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 05:01:01 PM EST
    is basically an established right wing code word for time-to-kick-those-lower-on-the-food-chain.

    And of course deflect attention away from the Ryans, Gingrichs, Rushs and Roger Ailes of the world..

    Lets vent all our spleen and fury on those in such a mean condition that they need help..

    What could be more American and Christian than that?



    It is my country too (none / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 08:28:22 PM EST
    I know I share this great nation with a pack of a$$hole$, but America is notorious for "getting it" in the end.  We are at the end of many things right now.  Our first black President has caused the built-in racism in the country to raise like a huge boil on our a$$.  Greed has caused another huge boil to raise on the other cheek, and a giant drought has us needing a bit of Preparation H.  The doctor told us this was going to happen to us if we didn't change our ways :)  We are at the end of many despicable greedy things right now, stay in the saddle everyone.  Finish the races.  The horse is ready to run too, no rollkur needed :)

    Apparently, your education did not include (2.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Towanda on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 09:48:28 AM EST
    instruction in the use of quotation marks.

    That's Ryan's word, not mine.

    So stop insulting me, just because you are illiterate.


    Is "illiterate" an insult? (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:29:42 AM EST
    Sure, if the source intended it as such (none / 0) (#67)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 04:38:50 PM EST
    but the question is the source of the insult.

    The initial insult was aimed at me, owing to commenter's inability to attribute a quotation to someone other than the sender.  

    So commenter got a rebound insult.  


    Where do you live? (none / 0) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 08:28:47 PM EST
    In my own land of crypto isms (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 06:43:56 AM EST
    Paul Ryan graduated (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by KeysDan on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:04:42 AM EST
    from Miami University (Miami of Ohio), not to be confused with University of Miami (Coral Gables, FL). Ryan received a baccalaureate degree in economics and political science, but he does not have any graduate degrees. I noted that a while back when Ryan was equated by many in the media as a professor emeritus of economics or, even, a Noble laureate in economics. He is supposedly represents the intellectual wing of the House Republicans, which is probably true given the competition.

    He's the new Gingrich, but (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by observed on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:10:26 AM EST
    a little bit nicer (people forget how awful Gingrich was)

    Yes, Gingrich was nasty (none / 0) (#39)
    by KeysDan on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:37:01 AM EST
    spirited --with an updated reminder during the primaries of his plan for poor school kids to the scrub toilets of their rich classmates. But, Gingrich did get Ryan's proposal to revamp Medicare right when he termed it "right wing social engineering"--an expert opinion that the Obama campaign should pick up on. And, compared with Ryan, Gingrich does have academic credentials of note (B.A. Emory, M.A., Ph.D. Tulane).

    From our "Crazy in the AZ" file: (5.00 / 6) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 08:19:47 PM EST
    Briseira Torrez, an 31-year-old single mother who was born in Arizona and is an American citizen, was arrested and thrown into jail for over four months simply because Maricopa County authorities claimed she was an illegal alien.

    As a result, Ms. Torrez lost her job, and then her car and house because she was unable to make the payments. Rendered homeless and motherless, her 14-year-old daughter was forced to live with a friend and neighbor.

    Ms. Torrez's was released from Estrella Jail on August 3, after it was disclosed that the Maricopa County Attorney's Office failed to present Ms. Torrez's long-form Arizona birth certificate to the grand jury that originally indicted her on three counts of forgery, in part because her driver's license had her real name on it, which prosecutors claimed was false.

    Judge Carolyn Passamonte has also remanded the case back to the grand jury for investigation at the request of defense counsel, noting in her decision that Ms. Torrez's birth certificate was "clearly exculpatory evidence that should have been presented to the grand jury."

    Further troubling, the prosecution's lone witness testified to that grand jury that Ms. Torrez's birth certificate was determined to have been a forgery and had been cancelled by Arizona's Office of Vital Records, when no such determination had ever been made.

    I really and truly hope that Briseira Torrez now sues the living effin daylights out of the "good" people of Maricopa County.

    By repeatedly electing and re-electing buffoons like Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Bill Montgomery, Maricopa County taxpayers should be compelled to pay through the nose for their civic foolishness, and Ms. Torrez deserves to be made whole for the pain, indignities and profound damage to her reputation she suffered, at the hands of county officials acting in the name of the people.


    McCain says Obama's attacks on (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by observed on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 10:05:25 AM EST
    Mittens are working.
    I'm sure he said that meaning to be helpful to Romney, and not to paint him as a pathetic loser.

    McCain would be a good (none / 0) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:25:37 AM EST
    judge in the loser department.

    Ryan's financial assets per Congressional (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:58:17 AM EST
    disclosure forms.  He married a trust fund baby!


    And despite the SS tale (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 12:48:43 PM EST
    of his college education, he comes from a wealthy family himself.  His father ran a very successful construction business-- primarily building roads on government contracts.

    This vague image of Ryan as some sort of working-class guy is completely bogus start to finish.


    So, Ryan made his money ... (none / 0) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 03:41:22 PM EST
    ... the old-fashioned way -- he married into it. And not only that, he put himself through college on his own with Social Security survivor's benefits.

    Further, being as I'm under age 55, he wants to take away my prospective Medicare benefits which I've already long been paying for, telling us we can't afford it -- while he and his own family are the personal beneficiaries of the best congressional health care plan that other people's money can buy.

    And now, he's the running mate of a man who touts the profit the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympics made under his personal leadership, while pointedly not mentioning the $1.5 billion he received in federal subsidies for the Games.

    Yeah, no doubt about it -- these are exactly the type of self-made people who I want to tell everyone else that they need to learn to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

    What a phuquing lovely bunch of coconuts we got here, lined up very neatly in a row.


    It gets worse, Donald. Today, Ryan told (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Towanda on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:00:07 PM EST
    a madding, fervored crowd of many thousands -- who turned up with only a few hours of warning -- at a Romney-Ryan rally that Ryan's mother is a "Medicare senior in Florida," and that she and other oldsters counted on their "entitlements," so he has no plan to take those from them.  Nope, his plan is for everyone of us who is younger to just give up Medicare and Social Security as we know it, so as not to disappoint his mother.  Now, he doesn't have the details of how we are going to do this, but he'll get back to us, if we just trust him.

    And the crowd cheered madly.

    The crowd also cheered when Ryan got teary at the turnout, his welcome back to Wisconsin.  The crowd nearly tore down the place in their fervor.  Is Wisconsin gone?  If so, so what, if Obama hangs on to Ohio and Colorado and Florida . . . oh, wait, did Ryan just win back Florida?

    My head hurts, reading about this rally, not that many miles from me -- but I must live in a parallel universe, as thousands of people I pass on the street think he makes sense.


    Oh, I think he has details, he just doesn't (none / 0) (#64)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 11:26:10 AM EST
    want to share them just yet; first you have to make the sale and then, once you have money in hand, you can fill people in on the details.

    Kind of like an infomercial.

    From David Dayen:

    So Ryan changed his budget for 2012, as it relates to senior programs. He dropped the privatization of Social Security, which he has been pushing since at least 2005. And in what is sure to get repeated often throughout the campaign, he teamed with Democrat Ron Wyden on a "premium support" plan, where seniors still get a voucher to buy insurance, but they get an option of traditional Medicare on the menu. In addition, the voucher is slightly more generous over time, although it will remain inadequate - that's how the government derives savings from the plan, after all.

    This still would present a problem with the shrinking risk pool, killing the bargaining power of Medicare, which leads to much cheaper health costs than private insurance. Seniors in traditional Medicare would get worse coverage. It resembles the "withering on the vine" of Medicare that the Gingrich plan back in the 1990s contemplated. And of course, it incorporates all of the Medicare cuts that they are now criticizing the Obama Administration for including in the Affordable Care Act.

    But wait!  There's more!

    Ryan really would decimate government funding, to the point it could no longer carry on many routine operations. According to the Congressional Budget Office, Ryan's most recent budget would, by 2050, shrink spending in everything but the big entitlements (Social Security and government health insurance programs) and interest on the debt to less than 4 percent of gross domestic product. To give you a sense of scale, spending outside those entitlements and interest now represents more than 12 percent of GDP and has never, since World War II, represented 8 percent. What would this mean in practical terms? Massive, debilitating cuts to everything from law enforcement to education to highways to food inspections. (Ryan has said he wants to increase defense spending, which would mean steeper cuts to everything else.)

    And more!  Charts!

    My fear - a well-founded one, I think - is that rather than stake out positions and arguments based on what used to be the Democratic world view that looked out for the least among us, Obama will allow Romney/Ryan to define the argument - an argument that really has as its end game the complete transformation of government - and will then show the American people how much he respects these good Republicans and how willing he is to "get things done," by incorporating significant elements from the Ryan Budget.  

    Obama is, after all, in love with the Grand Bargain and has shown no signs of letting go of it.  If Obama wins and puts Erskine Bowles at Treasury, we are screwed.

    I don't get it, either, Towanda; I don't understand how people can be so willfully ignorant of what these people intend to do - and by "these people," I include both Republicans and Democrats.


    The real meaning (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 06:53:11 PM EST
    of what Gingrich's list of approved words means:

    A Devil's Dictionary

    I read that last week (none / 0) (#55)
    by NYShooter on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 07:30:07 PM EST
    Funny stuff.

    But, I tell you what, Obama's team should pay Mike Lofgren whatever it takes to get him on their team and show the clueless D's what would, and what would not, be effective in dealing with the segment of our population whose mental, cognitive functions have atrophied to the level of inertness.

    Seriously, let's have a little empathy for the Tea Party followers. They don't want to be poor and deprived any more than anyone else. They are, after all, victims, as much anybody, of much more powerful forces in the Republican party. And those forces use their power and education to really just trick the mostly uneducated Tea Party members & sympathizers to vote in what we see as self destructive ways.

    There must be a way to reach at least a small plurality of them, and maybe Lofgren can show the way.


    Honestly (none / 0) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 07:56:54 PM EST
    too bad Obama can't govern worth a darn. Too bad he only uses the sharp razors when it comes to campaigns but falls on his face when it comes to actually doing policy.

    Yeah, it really (none / 0) (#57)
    by NYShooter on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:18:47 PM EST
    makes you wonder what his deep down personal beliefs, and goals, really are.

    I mean, he has his signature legislation, his legacy, if you will...the ACA. He could spend the last four years strengthening and improving it. That would be quite an accomplishment, and all future generations would be grateful to him for it.

    So, why does he need to go after the backbone of middle class stability and security with his SS/Medicare "Grand Bargain" crap? An issue that won't even be an "issue" for years to come, and even then, so easily fixed it's a joke.

    But, I'm just repeating myself. it's nuts.


    Ryan: The Wrong Turn, (none / 0) (#1)
    by KeysDan on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 02:17:23 PM EST
    or, more accurately, the right turn--actually a hard right turn. I wonder just how much this decision was Romney's to make. My thinking is that Romney's high rollers registered their concerns and gave Romney the gentle suggestion, Ryan or waking up to find Rafalca sharing his bed, a least a part of her.

    The Rude Pundit (Lee Papa) ... (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 09:14:20 PM EST
    ... sums it up succinctly:

    "[T]here's one overriding reason that Romney's candidacy was doomed: he is a completely unlikeable pr*ck. And, unlike the fake self-aware Romney above, he doesn't give a shit that he's an unlikeable pr*ck. In the world he existed in before running for president, one can be admired for dealing with others as an unfeeling a$$hole. That might be how cutthroat investment schemers work, but Romney is fast learning that people are not corporations. We give a damn who we're dealing with and who's f***ing us over, and anyone who isn't so deluded by swallowing the Rush Limbaugh chowder on Obama or just being plain racist can see that Mitt Romney is not only not someone you'd want to have a beer with, but he's someone who, given the right circumstances and the right bar, you'd want to punch in the nose for being such a self-righteous c*ck."

    What he said.


    Very much doubt it (none / 0) (#10)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 05:52:16 PM EST
    Romney's high-rollers want to win, and everybody but the Mittster and some of the Tea Party types knows Ryan on the ticket makes it almost impossible.

    Terrific song (none / 0) (#2)
    by Peter G on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 02:33:17 PM EST
    wonderful performance

    bummer! (none / 0) (#3)
    by cpinva on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 02:47:31 PM EST
    no, romney picking ryan for vp, the video no longer being available. the former is a boon to team obama, the latter just sucks.

    This morning, open rehearsal of (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 04:55:57 PM EST
    Elgar Piano Quintet, with Tokyo String Quartet and Jeremy Denk.

    This afternoon:  Eric Clapton.  Terrific.

    The Romney Math (none / 0) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 06:49:27 PM EST
    How tough is it for Romney...
    There were 15 states in 2008 that were won by Obama or McCain by less than 10%.

    Seven of those were won by McCain:
    North Dakota
    South Carolina
    South Dakota

    Eight were won by Obama:
    New Hampshire
    North Carolina

    If Romney wins all seven that McCain won...
    And Romney wins 7 of the 8 states that Obama won, but Obama still wins Florida or Ohio...

    Romney loses.

    Give them the Ryan factor and assume Romney can win Wisconsin even though Obama won by 13 points, all seven of McCain's, and 7 of 8 of Obama's but Obama wins Florida...

    Romney still loses.

    Your data from four years ago (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Towanda on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 07:56:14 PM EST
    is silly to use now.  Use recent polls -- still in Obama's favor, of course, but hardly by so much.

    In Wisconsin, for example, Obama's margin now has narrowed to 5 percent up on Romney.  If the VP home-state "bounce" applies, that could narrow to 3 percent, which could put the state in play for the GOP, particularly owing to all of its new voter-suppression laws there.

    But then, the question becomes:  Why this risky a VP choice that costs so many Electoral College votes in Florida for so few in Wisconsin?


    and, look at what the polls are reporting (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by BackFromOhio on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 11:35:29 PM EST
    if it's registered voters, those are skewed 5% in favor of Dems, i.e., five points too high for Dem candidate.  Most polls have been reporting registered rather than likely voters.... Very misleading.  Are they trying to lull Dems into a false sense of security?

    That's a big assumption. (none / 0) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 07:23:57 PM EST
    CoralGables: "Give them the Ryan factor and assume Romney can win Wisconsin even though Obama won by 13 points ..."

    Most vice presidential candidates have proven to be fairly inconsequential when it comes to swinging their own home states toward the ticket, with the possible exception of Lyndon Johnson in 1960. Even highly popular California Gov. Earl Warren couldn't bring his state into the GOP fold as Thomas Dewey's running mate in 1948 -- in fact, Truman took California by 12 points, so it wasn't even close.

    And if Mitt Romney can't win in his own home state of Massachusetts, where he was its governor -- and where he's trailing President Obama by 20 points -- why would we assume that Paul Ryan's selection will make any difference in Wisconsin?


    Just accentuating (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by CoralGables on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 07:38:53 PM EST
    how big the hole is that Romney finds himself in that seems to keep getting deeper over the last month. And now he rolls out a running mate that ranks as the most conservative House VP candidate of all time, even surpassing Cheney.

    The best stat I've found is Romney's Income Tax rate for 2010 under the Ryan plan.... 0.82%. I don't think that will play in Peoria.


    Because Wisconsin is (none / 0) (#42)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 12:43:22 PM EST
    already close between Romney and Obama.

    But it doesn't matter. Wisc doesn't help Romney.


    Here is Samuel Popkin's take on (none / 0) (#38)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:36:48 AM EST
    Romney's choice of Ryan:


    Sarah Palin seems to have a problem (none / 0) (#40)
    by nycstray on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:54:19 AM EST
    with California  . . .

    California is a big mess (none / 0) (#44)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 12:50:47 PM EST
    I didn't read her rantings on the subject on her Facebook post, but I assume she's totally wrong in her analysis of why and what they need to do about it.

    But California is definitely in terrible shape and it's not clear how they're going to get out of it.


    We'll get out of it :) (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by nycstray on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 02:08:15 PM EST
    I did figure out why she decided to go there. Romney compared us to Greece. Our Gov tends to disagree, as does S&P.

    One mini-non-solution. The former (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 02:12:30 PM EST
    law librarian at my former state employer just informed me her position was eliminated, but the funding remains.  A former docketing clerk now is in charge of the law library at this public law office.  Oh well.  

    She is channeling Noonan (none / 0) (#49)
    by Politalkix on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 03:06:42 PM EST

    "But he and his supporters should drop the argument that if we don't change our ways we'll wind up like Europe. That's a mistake because Americans like Europe, and in some complicated ways wouldn't mind being a little more like it. In the past 40 years, jumbo jets, reduced fares and rising affluence allowed a lot of Americans, especially the sort who vote, to go there. The great capitals of Europe are glamorous, elegant and old, the outlands are exquisite. What remains of the old Catholic European ethic that business isn't everything, life is everything and it's a sin not to enjoy it, still has a lure. Americans sometimes think of it as they eat their grim salads and drink from their plastic water bottles.

    When Americans go to Europe they see everything but the taxes. The taxes are terrible. But that's Europe's business and they'll have to figure it out. Yes what happens there has implications for us but still, they're there and we're here.

    What Americans are worried about, take as a warning sign, and are heavily invested in is California--that mythic place where Sutter struck gold, where the movies were invented, where the geniuses of the Internet age planted their flag, built their campuses, changed our world.

    We care about California. We read every day of the bankruptcies, the reduced city services, the businesses fleeing. California is going down. How amazing is it that this is happening in the middle of a presidential campaign and our candidates aren't even talking about it?

    Mitt Romney should speak about the states that work and the states that don't, why they work and why they don't, and how we have to take the ways that work and apply them nationally.

    Barack Obama can't talk about these things. You can't question the blue-state model when your whole campaign promises more blue-state thinking."


    Okay Peggy (none / 0) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 06:18:49 PM EST
    I would welcome her to come down here to GA and take one of our $8.00 an hour jobs with no benefits. She could not find housing. She could not really do anything. This just shows how out of touch conservatives are.

    I didn't realize "Americans" (none / 0) (#53)
    by nycstray on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 06:32:03 PM EST
    were so worried about California! Nor did I realize everyone was reading about us everyday!  Yikes, we're going down! Now all we need is to become an "issue" in this campaign . . .

    thanks for the source :)


    Funny, but I never see any of the ... (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 09:40:32 PM EST
    ... Red States turning down all the California-generated federal tax revenues that have flowed so freely in their direction as federal spending over the last 25 years or so.

    Because the Golden State is a "donor state," it only receives about between 72 and 75 cents in federal spending for every dollar it sends Washington's way, and the negative imbalance has averaged about $48-50 billion each fiscal year over the last decade.

    There's your state budget deficit right there.


    But, but, but . . . (none / 0) (#60)
    by nycstray on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 09:59:54 PM EST
    we can't mention those things when "Americans" are so worried about us and the nut jobs seem to want to use us as an  'example' . . .  :P

    Ryan never intended to go to (none / 0) (#47)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 02:43:28 PM EST
    Washington, D.C., per Mitt Romney!

    LAT re seven-term Congressman

    Closing Ceremony (none / 0) (#48)
    by nycstray on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 02:53:24 PM EST
    starts soon (non-nbc/cable-link)

    What is this world coming to? (none / 0) (#51)
    by NYShooter on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 04:19:30 PM EST
    "Time columnist and CNN host Fareed Zakaria"

    suspended for plagiarism.

    Host of CNN's flagship foreign affairs show.
    Editor-at-Large of TIME Magazine.
    Washington Post columnist.
    New York Times bestselling author.

    What goes through these people's minds?

    No Palin in Tampa (none / 0) (#58)
    by Politalkix on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:44:19 PM EST
    I guess when I've finally managed to rile (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:52:46 PM EST
    The Wyoming Republican house majority leader, maybe I'm getting somewhere.

    Husband is looking at retiring next year (none / 0) (#63)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 08:37:51 AM EST
    Just looking at it, but if not next year then the following year.  I feel better now about the military downsizing.  They seperated out disability from retirement now, so when he retires we will receive a sum fairly close to our current pay.  We are so caught up in our day to day we never sat down and figured out what the observance of the rules meant for us.  So soldiers being forced out and able to at least receive partial retirements along with whatever combat disabilities will be doing better than I thought they would be.  It isn't perfect, but what is?

    CA Supreme Court rules undocumented (none / 0) (#65)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 12:17:09 PM EST
    man cannot become a member of CA State Bar, adopting U.S. Dept. of Justice rationale:  LAT

    It's not just on the issue of prosecution re marijuana that our fed. government is inconsistent.