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    Olympics (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 03:19:36 PM EST
    Man, I hate NBC and their GD control over what I can view.  Seriously, who edits a musical tribute to the terror victims during the Open Ceremonies to see a recorded interview ?

    And what kind of idiotic network doesn't show the Phelps 400-meter individual medley live, then actually reports the results before they show them.  Idiots.

    There needs to be some control by the IOC over what the network can do for ratings.

    That being said, I am really loving the Olympics this year, can't remember ever being so drawn to the events and NBC has done a good job of editing in terms of congruency with different events.

    They just need to realize some ratings have to be sacrificed for the public's ability to access the what I would call the key events, live.  One channel should be live and other should have their spoon fed delay IMO.

    I'm kinda p!ssed they are (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by nycstray on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:06:49 PM EST
    blocking content on their live stream events. Had a change of plans yesterday, but figured when I got home I could stream the women's gymnastic events. Nope, no replay avail on anything that goes on primetime :(  I don't want to watch the PT edited version of events, TYVM!

    I've been streaming BBC1 all morning, MUCH more pleasant than NBC. And no commercials!


    I thought they were doing that! (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:10:33 PM EST
    I watched some of their streaming yesterday, then they quit showing stuff. If it is a live stream, it should be an unedited live stream. Really irritating.

    Yeah, I'm just rearranging my days (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by nycstray on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:26:01 PM EST
    and watching the BBC live stream in the AM from now on for the events I really want to see.

    I had NBC and BBC open this AM and NBC was annoying with commercial breaks etc. Closed that window :)

    BBC has some fun commentary also :) When one 6'8" swimmer finished a race and was standing there full on in camera, the comment was "He's just one massive unit.", lol!~ When swimmers were neck and neck, "they're close, absolutely ridiculous!"  And a lot of things are "brilliant!". Sure, they have the country pride going, but they are so much better at it than we are, imo.


    Looks like they changed it (none / 0) (#51)
    by nycstray on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 10:31:12 PM EST
    The men's main gymnastics feed is available, but the individual apparatus feeds are not, so you have to watch the whole event. Couldn't do that yesterday for the women. They also have now made all the women's feeds from yesterday available, so I can watch the events I want :)

    Unfortunately, commercials . . . .


    I probably won't much of the Olympics (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by sj on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:45:41 PM EST
    for that very reason:
    I don't want to watch the PT edited version of events
    I want to see all of the athletes.  It's less frustrating to watch none of it than part of it.  Kind of...

    Just call it (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by observed on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:48:19 PM EST
    "NBC's Wide Nation of Sport"

    Stream is Fine... (none / 0) (#10)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:27:23 PM EST
    ...but the last thing I want to do after work is get on the computer and watch what I should be able to watch on my giant TV.

    I forgot about the commercials, damn near choked when I saw a "We support the US Olympic team" BP commercial during the Open Ceremonies.   It's one thing for a foreign company to do that, but they are in England this year and BP is probably the most recognized British company located here.  They could have taken a pass on supporting the US this one time, at least in the commercial stating it.

    And the other one is the... one of those talent shows with Adam Levine and Cee Lo diving, with their giant mugs looking at the camera, looks like something Oliver Stone would have produced while on mescaline.


    Wasn't (none / 0) (#40)
    by lentinel on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 08:23:24 PM EST
    it BP that damn near killed every fish in the United States a few years ago?

    NBC should have told them to keep their money or donate it to the people in the Gulf.


    Scott you might consider (none / 0) (#46)
    by lousy1 on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 09:23:03 PM EST
    wireless HD video transmission from your PC to your TV.
     Particularly id you have a blue-ray player on your laptop.

    Its also great to watch and listen to YouTube play-lists on a home theatre.


    The primetime show is so painful (none / 0) (#5)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:07:51 PM EST
    I have been taping it and not watching it until an hour into it so I can skip the commercials and blather.

    I know what I want to watch might be available on live web streaming and elsewhere, but I am not interested enough to do the work to find out where and when. I'm willing to watch the primetime show even if I already know the results.

    So my reactions are a mixed bag so far. The swim races are funt o watch, but Rowdy Gaines needs to talk about other racers besides the Americans. He will go on and on about them while other racers are catching up and overtaking them, then we barely even get to hear the name of the winners.


    I actually like the NBC (none / 0) (#68)
    by indy in sc on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:13:18 AM EST
    coverage, even at primetime.  I enjoy seeing the back stories interspersed with the events.  My main complaint with the primetime coverage is how late they start it, which means the events people want to see the most usually end up airing sometime between 10-12 p, when I'm fast asleep!  I try to stay away from results all day, but NBC itself spoiling the Missy Franklin results just before airing the race was pretty irritating.

    The NBCSN (formerly versus) coverage has been better than the main NBC channel.  Willie Geist has been doing a good job and the analysts on that channel seem more up to the task.  

    I love Tennis, which has been shown all live on Bravo, so that's been great (except for Pat O'Brien, who is plain awful).


    It's Not Entirely Bad... (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:14:47 AM EST
    ...so long as you remember to not watch the news before hand.

    I also hate how we are almost surprised when the US doesn't win because no one cares to mention more than a passing blurb, that we aren't favored, but that apparently doesn't make good press.  And forget an interview with the actually winner(s), we get Americans, regardless.  I think it's in bad taste to interview someone right after a bad performance and pay no attention to the winner(s).

    But this morning Lauer was chatting with Lochte's family and said something like how did they feel about him not winning in his signature event to which the family replied, it's the first time he swam in that even.   Ouch, and the video is suspiciously absent from their site.

    Is it really too much to ask that NBC get qualified and knowledgeable interviewers ?  And if not, at least don't have them asking questions as if they are.  I hate how the American dynamic has become more important than the actual event.


    Tell me about it. (none / 0) (#102)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 01:01:58 PM EST
    We're eleven hours behind London out here, which means that the day's events at the XXX Olympiad start about 10:00 p.m. to midnight, and are often concluded before 11:00 a.m. Hawaii time.

    We receive the NBC Sports Channel and other NBC cable affiliates concurrently with the U.S. mainland, which means that if you want to catch a specific event on those stations, you probably have to get up at some godawful early morning hour to do so.

    And NBC's Honolulu affiliate broadcasts the network's main Olympics coverage on a six-hour delay from the east coast, and for me at least, it's pretty hard to consciously avoid the news for hours on end.


    Never Though About That... (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 02:00:12 PM EST
    It comes on here at 7pm, and I normally watch the 10pm news, so it's not a big deal.  By the time I have dinner, it's show time.

    I would feel your pain if you didn't live in heaven.


    Too true. One of the deplorable costs ... (none / 0) (#110)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 02:10:04 PM EST
    ... of living in paradise is the fact that the first NFL football games of the day kick off at 7:00 a.m. HST on Sunday mornings. And only a certified moron would rouse himself at 5:30 a.m. to watch the pre-game show.

    I hear you on that. (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:13:12 PM EST
    I find it particularly irritating that NBC's coverage remains overwhelmingly USA-centric, as though athletes from other countries don't also have compelling personal stories. The Olympics are supposed to be a universal celebration, yet NBC has thus far presented it as little more than a "USA vs. The World" tagline.

    For example, the network's coverage of the 100M breaststroke preliminaries, semifinals and final focused obsessively and relentlessly upon the so-called rivalry that the USA's Brendan Hansen had with Japan's Kosuke Kitajima, the defendaing gold medalist in the event -- all from Hansen's perspective, of course.

    In the meantime, as NBC host Bob Costas proceeded to prove himself almost completely oblivious to what was really going on in the pool by continually talking about Hansen, South Africa's Cameron Van der Burgh proceeded to dominate the event's preliminary heat, then set a new Olympic record for the 100M breaststroke in the semifinals while Kitajima finished fourth and Hansen sixth, respectively -- and finally, proceeded to set a new world record in easily capturing the gold medal, while Hansen finished third and Kitajima fifth, respectively.

    So of course, it naturally followed that afterward, NBC's correspondent spoke exclusively with Brendan Hansen, who duly gushed to her that his third-place medal "will be the shiniest bronze medal you will ever see EVAH!" -- while Van Der Burgh stood smiling in the background.

    Expressed almost an afterthought in all this inane fawning over Brendan Hansen was the fact that Cameron Van der Burgh became the first South African male in his country's Olympic history to ever win a gold medal in any swimming event -- and oh yeah, by the way, he set a new world record in doing so.


    Switch to BBC (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by nycstray on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:30:19 PM EST
    Much better. Couple of the hosts were close to getting weepy over a young swimmer from a country other than their own ;) Oh and she got the interview poolside also!

    Thanks. I'll do that. (none / 0) (#13)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:32:13 PM EST
    Because if I see one more Coke commercial ...

    Haven't seen a coke commercial yet (none / 0) (#17)
    by nycstray on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:37:10 PM EST
    except for the one this AM on the NBC stream :P

    It's worth it imo. Yeah, they are pro-GB, but it's not obnoxious, kinda cute and honest. The whole thing is much more relaxing to watch.


    I will try that too. (none / 0) (#16)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:37:03 PM EST
    Yes, I think that was the event that really (none / 0) (#14)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:35:23 PM EST
    bugged me. All the way along all they talked about was Hansen - and you could see Van Der Burgh coming up in the other lane. I just wanted to shake them and ask them to tell me something about that. Was it strategy, did Hansen get tired, what? I'll never know.

    Same thing with some of the other races. Oh well - it is the oldest complaint there is about NBC. I guess they have no intention of changing. Here's a thought - have guest play-by-play or commentary guys from other countries now and then. that would make it all more interesting.


    I know. (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:57:04 PM EST
    I mean, Van der Burgh dominated the event and set a new world record, and he's just standing right there! Would it have hurt NBC to at least have its correspondent acknowledge the South African, and then step over to him after talking with Hansen, and try to get a few words from, you know, the actual winner of the race?

    And maybe the diving commentators can (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 07:40:19 PM EST
    Learn the names of the gold medalist Chinese divers and the sliver medalist Mexican divers like they did the names of the 4th place Brit divers and 3rd place USA.

    So I'm guessing they didn't give (none / 0) (#34)
    by nycstray on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 07:59:54 PM EST
    any background/commentary on the Mexican divers and the types of dives they developed? Their style vs the other divers?

    They gave some info about how their dives (none / 0) (#41)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 08:25:20 PM EST
    had a higher degree of difficulty. Then  at one point obviously struggled to come up with names (Sanchez and Garcia) and ended up calling them 'the Mexicans'. I'm sorry, I know they see a lot of divers, but this is not a short event and there is plenty of time to learn and use their names.

    Such difficult names! (none / 0) (#43)
    by nycstray on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 08:34:58 PM EST
    oy . . . .

    iirc, don't the divers have to make a cut before the medal rounds? Once the field was reduced, they certainly could have remembered their names, especially with them diving at such a high degree and being in medal contention . . .


    Yeah, I managed to recall them an hour later (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 09:08:39 PM EST
    after only seeing them for 20 minutes...and rarely hearing their names! Not exactly an international incident, just annoying.  The athletes all seem to know how lucky they are to be there, more of the broadcasters should remember the same thing.

    One wonders what these announcers ... (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 09:24:04 PM EST
    ... would have coped had the swimmers and divers in question had been Americans with Native Hawaiian surnames like Ka'aihue, La'enamanoa, Keli'ipuliole and Kamakawiwo'ole.

    Apparently the choreographer (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 06:56:34 PM EST
    is also upset, as his segment didn't make NBC's coverage of the opening ceremony:  Akram Khan

    I just saw a LAT headline stating Esa-Pekka Salonen ran with the Olympic Torch.  How wonderful.  One of my short list of favorite conductors.  


    Media moguls knows where (none / 0) (#48)
    by lousy1 on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 09:32:09 PM EST
    their revenue originates.

    I Spent the 2000 Olympics living in a cramped hotel room in Tokyo. Except for occasional (international) CNN coverage one would have thought that Judo, baseball and ping pong were the only sports involved.


    I am shocked, shocked, to hear that (none / 0) (#97)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 12:10:41 PM EST
    other nations are just as provincial as our own. Shocked I tell you.

    Hmmm.... did Romney really (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by observed on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:19:05 PM EST
    say that he admired the Jews' cultural ability to make money?
    If you read what he said about why Israel has thrived and the Palestinians have not, one could take away a sincere admiration for the Levant's pecuniary facilities.
    Not to mention that making analogy relative wealth disparity of Mexico and the US sends a patronizing message to hispanic voters...

    I'm just waiting for him to... (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by unitron on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:38:48 PM EST
    ...come out and say that the reasons the slaves worked so hard but the masters were the ones who could afford big plantations was a cultural difference.

    Romney seems so dumb, but (none / 0) (#19)
    by observed on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:43:24 PM EST
    he can't be stupid, given that he's another Harvard lawyer, and graduated near the top of his class (IIRC).
    I need to place a bet about whether Romney will praise the Poles for their sense of humor.
    Heck, with his mind still on Israel, the possibilities for gaffes in Poland look strong.
    How about if he thanks Poland for their contribution to the Jewish migration to Israel?

    Waiting for Magic Mitt (none / 0) (#27)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 06:22:48 PM EST
    to congratulate the Polish people on their entrepreneurial savvy in bottling their water--that Poland Spring Water is very popular in the US

    I think (none / 0) (#39)
    by lentinel on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 08:14:28 PM EST
    that politics makes these guys stupid.
    They're always trying to tread lightly and say what they think they should say.

    GW Bush was an Ivy League school grad. Dumb as a post.
    Mitt sounds stupider and stupider.

    I think Trump graduated from somewhere or other and is a billionaire and sounds as stupid as they come.

    And - I will say that Obama has many academic credentials but he is so used to equivocating and pandering that his utterances don't sound so bright either.

    I think that for people to express themselves intelligently, their brains have to be connected to their hearts and intuitive faculties. Politicians strive to disconnect their brains so that they can feel safe - and in the process they sound more and more like empty-headed idiots reading cue cards.



    "Why some of my best friends are Jews!" (none / 0) (#12)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 04:31:16 PM EST
    (Sigh!) That, on top of extending his personal recognition that Jerusalem is an exclusively Israeli city and capital. I suppose we should be grateful that Romney didn't also start quoting from the wit and wisdom of Jackie Mason.

    As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon!"


    Are the Branch Mormonians (none / 0) (#28)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 06:37:01 PM EST
    still post-humously baptizing Holocaust victims, or did they finally knock that off?

    Oy (none / 0) (#38)
    by lentinel on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 08:06:33 PM EST
    i am not a farmer (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Dadler on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 05:23:55 PM EST
    I love this line: (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by DFLer on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 05:55:39 PM EST
    i put plants

    in the ground

    like the undertaker

    puts people;

    Is it just me (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 06:10:29 PM EST
    or, did Mr "Start linin' up the endorsements now" Lochte get seriously blown away by that Frenchman on that last leg?

    It may turn out that overly-cocky-and-flashin'-your-grill-at-the-games may be bad ju-ju..



    It (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by lentinel on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 08:01:50 PM EST
    was me as well. The Frenchman reached way down and burst through. It was dramatic imo.

    It was very dramatic (none / 0) (#122)
    by glanton on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 05:26:26 PM EST
    I felt for the Americans on that one, because they actually raced a damned good race.  But I was inspired by the French team's performance.

    Thanks for sharing Dadler (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by lilburro on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 12:45:01 AM EST
    I like your poem a lot.  Hope there's more to come.

    Do you think the DOJ can manage to drag the (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by lousy1 on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 10:31:16 PM EST
    investigation of this fiasco past the election also?

    DEA Steals and wrecks truck of  unsuspecting owner
    Houston Chronicle

    "Your driver was shot in your truck," said the caller, a business colleague. "Your truck was loaded with marijuana. He was shot eight times while sitting in the cab. Do you know anything about your driver hauling marijuana?"

    "What did you say?" Patty recalled asking. "Could you please repeat that?"

    The truck, it turned out, had been everywhere but in the repair shop.

    Commandeered by one of his drivers, who was secretly working with federal agents, the truck had been hauling marijuana from the border as part of an undercover operation. And without Patty's knowledge, the Drug Enforcement Administration was paying his driver, Lawrence Chapa, to use the truck to bust traffickers.

    At least 17 hours before that early morning phone call, Chapa was shot dead in front of more than a dozen law enforcement officers - all of them taken by surprise by hijackers trying to steal the red Kenworth T600 truck and its load of pot.

    In the confusion of the attack in northwest Harris County, compounded by officers in the operation not all knowing each other, a Houston policeman shot and wounded a Harris County sheriff's deputy.

    Still waiting

    But eight months later, Patty still can't get recompense from the U.S. government's decision to use his truck and employee without his permission.

    Wow.... (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 01:17:18 PM EST
    way to go DEA!  Another bang up job.

    Too bad no "serious" candidate has the balls to propose abolishing that domestic terror organization.  



    No Kidding (none / 0) (#121)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 05:08:19 PM EST
    Commerce, Interior, and... um...Energy.  No Perry really meant to include Education and not Interior.

    My point is they are so happy to eliminate agencies but one faction, a really wasteful one, is never on the block.  It would probably outlast Defense if we went bankrupt


    Gore Vidal has died at age 86. (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:46:32 PM EST
    According to Vidal's nephew, the writer died earlier today (Tues.) from complications from pneumonia.

    Love him or hate him, Vidal was an interesting guy, and never lacked for an opinion.

    Like many authors, I like some of his work, but not others. I especially like his series of novels about the U.S. political scene from Aaron Burr through Abraham Lincoln.

    I enjoyed reading his book on Lincoln (none / 0) (#131)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:49:41 PM EST
    and recently really enjoyed his play "The Best Man."

    So the line to Chik fil A (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 06:14:34 PM EST
    in nearby Dothan is three blocks long tonight.  Told you I lived in a$$holeville.  In this heat, those doubling down on hate are literally burning in hell.

    My husband just said though that Amtrak has announced Ride with Pride, support of gay rights.  So phuck off CFA.

    Music from Little Dadler's orchestra/band (none / 0) (#1)
    by Dadler on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 02:57:02 PM EST
    A little River East Overture from the Taylor Middle School musicians. (link)  Eli is in the back on his trombone.  He just finished a week of camp for his other orchestra, the one he had to audition to get into. Had a little concert at the end, and his brass group blew through some killer Duke Ellington. Hard to get more proud as pops. Happy Monday, peeps.    

    Oop, there's a flag on the play (none / 0) (#2)
    by Dadler on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 02:58:54 PM EST
    Overuse of the word "little."  Five minutes in the vocab dunce box and loss of a sandwich.

    They (none / 0) (#42)
    by lentinel on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 08:30:37 PM EST
    sound great.
    No wonder you're proud.

    Because men STILL can't compete in this sport... (none / 0) (#23)
    by Dadler on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 05:05:14 PM EST
    Once again, a mischaracterization (none / 0) (#30)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 07:33:50 PM EST
    of the Cat Food Commission's work.  In what has become a regularly scheduled vapid contribution to the NYT op ed page, former executive editor Bill Keller, writes about the "entitled generation." As a part of his opinion piece, Keller applauds how Centrists like those at the Third Way and the bipartisan authors of the Simpson-Bowles report endorse cuts and reforms in social security and health care costs.  

    Perhaps our job creators could come up with a beefed-up fact checker force for the media, which would go a long way toward reducing unemployment figures. For starters there  is no official report.  The Commission failed as measured by its own rules--only eleven of the 18 members registered unofficial support, and in some cases, with reservations (14 votes were necessary).  Even after missing its deadline so as to make revisions felt to be more attractive, the panel adjourned without a vote and, hence, there is no report.  It is true, that the "bipartisan" authors have reported about their unaccepted and controversial ideas, but the panel, itself,  was bipartisan in its lack of support.

    Military Tracy has a diary up at DK (none / 0) (#32)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 07:55:15 PM EST
    on dressage horses/breeding/training.  Quite a rant!

    How (none / 0) (#33)
    by lentinel on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 07:58:39 PM EST
    did Mrs. Romney's horse do?

    Didn't you just love Mitt showing he was a regular guy by saying he wasn't the least bit interested in his wife's activity at the Olympics?

    Heartwarming and reassuring.


    That horse won't dressage (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by nycstray on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 08:03:58 PM EST
    until Thursday and Friday. If it does well, it competes again next week.

    But can Rafalca dressage ... (none / 0) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 09:15:15 PM EST
    I haven't the foggiest idea, as I've (none / 0) (#35)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 08:00:21 PM EST
    been immersed in opera/chamber music in Santa Fe.  

    Who knew so many dressage riders (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:48:27 AM EST
    Were DailyKos participants?  I really pissed off a couple of them.  Oh well, get rid of the corruption and abuse in your sport.  I see that one vet agreed with me who has shown horses and dogs too.  Because the Romney's horse is trained where nobody can see, it is just like the Tennessee Walking horse scandal for me.  Sorry, I am not fooled.  Just because I don't have the video evidence of the Romney's horse being schooled using Rollkur doesn't magically make it not happen.  My judge friend pointed me to a video but it costs money and it isn't in English, has subtitles though.  If I were a horse person, I'd cough up the $60 for it...but it isn't my sport.  The people though who do claim it is their sport, they should be ashamed of themselves for not getting to the dirty bottom of it all.  Here is the trailer to the video I'm told I need to see.

    Until Cross-Dressage is a sport, (5.00 / 5) (#75)
    by observed on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:24:56 AM EST
    I"m not interested.

    Ha! (none / 0) (#101)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 12:38:54 PM EST
    This bit of apologia (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by sj on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 05:47:52 PM EST
    from your most rabid critic edrie:
    my boy's tongue pokes out when he's relaxed - that isn't a markdown.  resistance in the jaw is a markdown.  
    brought me up short.  She might have convinced me that the higher levels of dressage competition weren't so heinous if not for that sentence.

    Have you noticed how horses typically let their tongues "poke out"?  No?  That's because it doesn't.  The fact that it isn't a "markdown" tells me that it's commonplace in the "sport".

    Good for you for just jumping in there.


    Oh dear, Jesus Cripes Numbness (5.00 / 2) (#161)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:25:48 PM EST
    I decided to stay away from the diary after anything useful ceased to be created.  Made my point.  The guy showing up putting up the photos of him attack training his German Shepherds was like the lowest point EVAH. I thought OMG, the fricken animal abuse balls some people have around this place.  Then when I explain why I can't stand this B.S. training dogs to attack people, like the huge scar on my arm, or the judge I hired almost getting eaten at a basic obedience event by a dog that had been attack trained, or the woman who was bitten by a different attack trained dog in that ring on the same day as she waited to receive the ribbon for her and her dog's efforts.....they all know, and I know I'm wasting my damned breath.  They will be the biggest victims you ever saw though when their dogs bite someone, huge lawsuit, dogs put to sleep.

    I think attack training your dog has everything to do with being insecure, wanting to make other people feel insecure instead, feel powerful, force projection....I just have no use for it at all.  I have a hard enough time governing my tongue, I'm last person that needs a rabid dog.  I think it is antisocial and ignorant, but those people have their own crowd that disagrees with me and worships what they do.  In my mind they are like the pro gun I got my own arsenal fruit loops, and often hang out in the same circles.

    I just don't get it.


    MT, do you have any proof (1.00 / 1) (#76)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:28:31 AM EST
    that Romney and/or his wife have been engaged in anything immoral and/or illegal?

    The answer is, of course, you don't. But that doesn't stop you from smearing.


    The Romneys strapped their Irish setter ... (5.00 / 4) (#104)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 01:38:58 PM EST
    jimakaPPJ: "[Do] you have any proof that Romney and / or his wife have been engaged in anything immoral and / or illegal?"

    ... to the roof of their car, ignored their own young sons' protests about the dog's distress, and then actually had the chutzpah to claim repeatedly that the dog "enjoyed riding up there" because he was in an "airtight kennel" -- whatever that means, but apparently not so airtight that the poor pooch's feces couldn't run down the car windows when he unloaded in fright.

    I'm sorry, Jim, but that particular episode speaks volumes about Mitt and Ann Romney. Ironically, the "Seamus on the car roof" story was actually put out by the Romney presidential campaign itself back in 2007, in order to highlight Mitt's no-nonsense approach to "emotion-free crisis management.

    But unfortunately for the candidate, the predominate public takeway from Part IV of that 2007 Boston Globe profile was his almost total lack of empathy for not only the family dog but also his young sons. Even Fox News' Chris Wallace took Romney to task for it that year in a persoal interview, asking the candidate, "What were you thinking?"

    And let's be honest here. The Romneys' continuing and painfully obvious defensive reaction to this day serves only to highlight the candidate's own emotional immaturity, as exemplified by his rank unwillingness to own up to his own personal decisions when he makes a mistake -- even on something as seemingly trivial as this personal anecdote.

    And I'm sorry again, but if you're not willing to assume personal responsibility for your own actions and the consequences derived thereof, then you have no absolutely business running for any public office, let alone the presidency.



    Good grief (1.17 / 6) (#116)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 04:12:15 PM EST
    He was in an enclosed dog carrier protected from harm.

    Obviously neither you or the media has ever seen dogs transported in dog carriers in the back off pickup trucks.

    On the other hand Obama ate a dog.

    Now, if the dead dog had a choice I wonder what his choice would.

    Get serious, Donald. Go consult with someone.


    Because a dog on a roof (5.00 / 5) (#117)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 04:27:28 PM EST
    going seventy mph is no worse than a good frat house hazing. He probably got some information about what dogs do in private afterwards..

    And I thought that anyone who cLaimed Obama's a secret Muslim would be at least educated enough to know that a Muslim would never eat a dog because they're considered an unclean animal.

    But, on second thought, nix on that "educated" part..You just know things "in your heart", the way Bush did.

    After years of..


    All I know is what (1.00 / 3) (#124)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:38:02 PM EST
    Obama told me.


    BTW - The dog was in an animal carrier. He was in no pain, no strain and no harm.

    And, as usual, you demonstrate you can't debate, just insult,.


    And you're still (none / 0) (#150)
    by jondee on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 12:56:23 PM EST
    telling people he's a secret Muslim. Just not at this site. Mr Breivik.

    You know dogs don't suffer when they're enclosed in a carrier strapped to the roof of a speeding car, how exactly?

    Along with being steeped in the latest climate science, have you spent alot of time studying animal behaviorism? Liberty U. was it? or was it Bob Jones?



    I've seen dogs crated in the back of trucks (5.00 / 3) (#119)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 04:28:22 PM EST
    they are more protected back there, especially when done properly. And they also have various types of crates for that type of transport, which most likely weren't available back then.

    If you discovered you're dog was so terrified riding on top of your car that he couldn't control his bowels, would you leave him up there and continue the ride (hours involved, not a few blocks)? Assuming of course you have no problem with your dog riding on top of your car or truck in the first place . . . .


    BTW NYstray (1.50 / 2) (#126)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:43:51 PM EST
    Animal carriers were available  "back then."

    Along with running water, electric lights, telephones and horseless carriages.


    BTW Jim (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:31:27 PM EST
    Reading comprehension is your friend . . .

    I'm not sure at this point that even (5.00 / 2) (#138)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 08:55:13 AM EST
    reading comprehension wants to be jim's friend...

    Speaking of reading (1.00 / 1) (#142)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:24:42 AM EST
    comprehension. You wrote:

    If you discovered you're dog was so terrified riding on top of your car that he couldn't control his bowels,

    Now, the article says the dog had ate some turkey that caused him to have the runs.


    No, it doesn't (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by Yman on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:38:52 AM EST
    The article states that Ann Romney's explanation was that the dog had eaten some turkey.

    Big difference.


    Sure, blame it on the turkey, that's the (5.00 / 2) (#145)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:46:28 AM EST

    Okay - first of all, it was just a dumb thing to do.  Extraordinarily dumb.  Not to mention that it showed zero compassion or concern for the dog.  Would these people have put one of their children in a carrier and strapped it to the roof?  I'd like to doubt it, but the fact that they didn't see a problem doing it with the dog makes me wonder.

    Second, strapping the carrier to the roof isn't the same as putting it in the bed of a pickup truck; I've seen people riding in the beds of trucks, but I've never seen a person strapped onto the roof.  Wonder why that is...

    Third, I truly don't understand why anyone would defend what Romney did.  Maybe those who do just can't bear to think about what that incident reveals about Romney's character.


    Romney fed his dog turkey (none / 0) (#180)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 03:30:34 PM EST
    Obama hung out with Rezko, the Rev Wright and self identified terrorist William Ayers.

    You pick'em!


    Alright.. (none / 0) (#185)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 11:50:53 AM EST
    I'll take Romney's dog over Romney.

    With maybe Bill Ayers as his running mate.


    No surprise there. (none / 0) (#186)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 01:53:48 PM EST
    Actually, it doesn't say that (none / 0) (#148)
    by nycstray on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 10:32:36 AM EST
    • It says they traveled all the time

    • it says he ate turkey off the counter (doesn't specify when or if it was a one time event before the 'ride', or if it was a common occurrence like their traveling)

    • it says he had the runs (why?)

    • it says he went crazy over his crate. They are assuming he loved it, but I have seen dogs go crazy over things, not necessarily because they loved it. Could have been a want to please behavior . . .

    All of this was said as a way to discount the reaction to behavior many find less than stellar.

    Re: Bullet #4 (5.00 / 3) (#152)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 02:03:04 PM EST
    "...They are assuming he loved it..."

    In actuality, they aren't assuming that. They are blatantly lying about it, publicly pretending "he loved it", as an attempt to cover their a$$es. The whole thing was heinous and abusive, and because everyone now knows about it, they make excuses.


    Real Quick (5.00 / 3) (#153)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 04:43:20 PM EST
    First off, dogs in the back of trucks I suspect aren't traveling 600 miles.  But if they are, they aren't in the open air in Canada, which at 70mps is probably not real warm at 4am.

    Secondly, dogs love turkey, and anyone that owns one knows turkey is the last thing to upset a dog stomach, unless of course Ann feed him some rotten stock no one else wanted.

    And lastly, to defend that kind of cruelty is just pathetic, maybe say it doesn't matter, or it's old news.  But strapping a living being on a car for 600 miles is cruel.  And the thing I don't get, is carries have holes on the sides for air, they don't have holes on the bottom, how in the hell did the dogs discharge get on the car if it was 'enclosed'?  Can't happen, if Mitt cared there would have also been some sort of pad, so unless that air blew up the discharge and there was so much a pad couldn't absorbed it, the story is complete BS.

    It proves the entire family doesn't give a damn about animals, maybe the kids cared, but now they are grown adults still pushing Mitt's boloney for Mitt's political ambition.  They certainly had the means to kennel the dog, like I do.  For a couple extra bucks they will give him a private yard to run around in and for a few more, they will train him.

    No dog owner would approve of that BS.


    Um, not to defend the Romneys on this, (none / 0) (#154)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 05:11:17 PM EST
    but it's not all that unusual for my dog to get diarrhea, and if often happens after getting into some food that's outside of her normal fare.

    Considering her size (she's a Great Dane) it's not unusual for her to snag one of my kids' meals off the counter/table when they're not paying attention. She even gets food we put on top of the fridge, if it's too close to the edge.

    Our previous dog (also a Dane) got "butt soup" a lot, we never could figure out why. And it never seemed to be particularly off-putting to her at all, she'd just leave us a mess and go on about her business...


    Not unusual to get diarrhea? (none / 0) (#159)
    by Rupe on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 08:51:40 PM EST
    Seriously?  Having owned 3 dogs and in our family had at least 9, a dog having diarrhea is a rare thing, and only really occurs if you don't maintain a regular diet.  Feeding them human food on a regular basis perhaps can have this effect, but if you properly feed your dogs, at least in my experience, it is not a normal occurance.  Sure, if they find a dead animal a few days decomposed it will have expected results, but even with my dad's country dogs, and he has five, it is very unusual for them not to have regular movements.

    Feeding decent human food on a reg basis (5.00 / 2) (#164)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 02:00:13 AM EST
    should not upset them. Too fatty/crap/junk food,  well that might. Not sure as my dog only gets good human food :) I feed commercial, human cooked and raw.

    Frequent soft or loose movements could be a sign of a food allergy, IBS or another medical issue. Or, some times the food is just too rich for the dog and a change to a lower protein food helps.

    Now, it is possible the setter only had turkey once, and he snatched large chunk of the bird off the counter, ingesting too much skin/fat (that can cause serious probs for some dogs). But then what the Romneys are saying, is they strapped a dog in gastric distress to the top of their car for a long trip. Not sure how that makes things better perception wise :-P


    can get the runs from unusual foods (for them) that are outside their usual diet. Not an uncommon occurrence I don't think.

    And, as I said, after she gets into something that's outsider her normal fare.

    than mixed-breeds...

    I'm on my second spotted garbage disposal (none / 0) (#172)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:19:20 AM EST
    never had a prob. I think it's more the individual dog (unless it's a known specific breed problem) since PB can vary just as much as mixes. In other words, you can't really compare a GSD to a GD to a Dal etc when it comes to health etc.

    Must say though, I'm thrilled to live with a garbage disposal :D Especially because she snatches things FAST! Whoosh! GONE!


    I'm with Rupe on this (none / 0) (#163)
    by sj on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 01:44:08 AM EST
    It's supposed to be unusual for a dog to get diarrhea.  My girl is on limited ingredient food.  Absolutely no chicken for her.  And the ingredient "meat byproducts" is chicken parts.  I'm grateful she's not a food thief.

    Oh please everyone (1.00 / 2) (#166)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 09:40:57 AM EST
    I know you don't like Romney and I know you don't like the fact he ONLY gave a little over $4 million in 2011 and ONLY paid about $4.5 million in taxes (state-fed-local) or about 40% on income of about $21`million but please....

    When Sawyer brought up that Romney took Seamus down from the carrier when the dog fell ill to hose him down before putting him back up on top of the car again, Ann minimized the attention paid to the incident.

    The dog got sick. The question is why. The claim was he was terrified. Yet the presented facts:

    "We traveled all the time, and he ate the turkey on the counter. I mean, he had the runs. But he would see that crate and, you know, he would, like, go crazy, because he was going with us on vacation."

    Now I suppose some of you will claim they deliberately poisoned the dog, but a reasonable explanation is that he turkey had gone bad and/or it was too rich/different for his stomach.


    I mean you folks have completely bought into the class envy shtick Obama is selling.

    When you gonna start storming the castle???


    Those aren't "facts" (5.00 / 2) (#167)
    by Yman on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 09:56:44 AM EST
    The dog got sick. The question is why. The claim was he was terrified. Yet the presented facts:

        "We traveled all the time, and he ate the turkey on the counter. I mean, he had the runs. But he would see that crate and, you know, he would, like, go crazy, because he was going with us on vacation."

    It's the explanation offered by Ann Romney to explain the dog's condition.  If it was MO offering a self-serving explanation, you would never refer to it as a "fact".


    OK, I buy your view (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:11:11 AM EST
    but a reasonable explanation is that he turkey had gone bad and/or it was too rich/different for his stomach.

    but this still stands then, he put a sick dog back on top of the car.

    when the dog fell ill to hose him down before putting him back up on top of the car again

    Yeah, that's gonna make everything ok.


    In which year did Romney pay 40% in taxes? (5.00 / 2) (#173)
    by shoephone on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:49:36 AM EST
    Really, which year? Because, according to Romney, he paid 13.9% in 2010 and refuses to tell anyone what he paid in any other year. You're just making sh*t up.

    And your desperation to gloss over the truth about the dog they abused is pathetic.

    You lose again.


    He didn't (5.00 / 2) (#175)
    by Yman on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:17:07 PM EST
    Jim's conflating (and combining) Romney's taxes with his charitable contributions, most of which were donations to the Mormon church.  Romney's tax rate for 2011 was @ 15.4%, which (as you pointed out) was higher than the only other year for which he released returns - 2010.

    A little "creative" accounting, PPJstyle.


    Please try and read (none / 0) (#177)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 03:21:35 PM EST
    before engaging keyboard. You won't embarrass yourself that way.

    I know you don't like the fact he ONLY gave a little over $4 million in 2011 and ONLY paid about $4.5 million in taxes (state-fed-local) or about 40% on income of about $21`million but please....

    Now, how much did Joe Biden give??

    (Oh wait, I shouldn't talk about the crazy old Uncle in the attic.)



    What??? (none / 0) (#183)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 11:17:31 PM EST
    Rush Limbaugh lives in your attic?

    I read quite well (none / 0) (#184)
    by shoephone on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 11:37:04 PM EST
    What you wrote is plain for all to see.
    "...about 40% of income..." More b.s. numbers from Jimmy boy.

    Oh, and Joe who?? Is someone named Joe running for president???



    Straw man alert: (5.00 / 2) (#174)
    by shoephone on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:53:10 AM EST
    "Now I suppose some of you will claim they deliberately poisoned the dog, but a reasonable explanation is that he turkey had gone bad and/or it was too rich/different for his stomach."

    No one claimed they deliberately poisoned him. You're just making it up as you go along, as usual.

    The stink of desperation wafts from Jim's comments once again.........


    This dog story has been out (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:56:23 PM EST
    since last election. Has anyone (public figure) ever stepped up and said they transported their dog that way also? We always had ours IN the car, not on it. Although, one pet almost earned her way to the roof (like we would ever do that!) and that was our siamese who yowled from CA to IL, lol!~

    How you transport your pet is your business (none / 0) (#178)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 03:23:41 PM EST
    But having the dog in an animal carrier is baddddddddddd only in the mind of Democrats.

    "In a dog carrier" (none / 0) (#181)
    by Yman on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 04:31:55 PM EST
    Right, Jim.  It's the dog carrier that has everyone upset, not the fact that the dog carrier was strapped to the roof of the car.

    Pffftttt ...


    Has any public figure (none / 0) (#179)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 03:25:42 PM EST
    stood up in public and lie about something the way Democratic Senator did about Romeny's taxes!

    Oh, wait! That's on the Senate floor and he gets to lie when he wants to!


    Let's see the evidence, Jim (none / 0) (#182)
    by Yman on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 04:33:07 PM EST
    BTW - I thought you didn't like people to use the word "lie"?

    Dogs against Romney?? (1.00 / 2) (#125)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:41:04 PM EST
    Really?? I mean you are serious??

    "It was, to me, a kinder thing to bring him along than to leave him in the kennel for, in a kennel for two weeks," Ann said.

    When Sawyer brought up that Romney took Seamus down from the carrier when the dog fell ill to hose him down before putting him back up on top of the car again, Ann minimized the attention paid to the incident.

    "We traveled all the time, and he ate the turkey on the counter. I mean, he had the runs. But he would see that crate and, you know, he would, like, go crazy, because he was going with us on vacation."

    The questions on Seamus' treatment were prompted by a campaign led by the group "Dogs Against Romney," which requested that its Facebook followers bombard ABC News with requests to ask Romney about it. Sawyer said that it was one of two issues that prompted the most requests from its audience, the other being Romney's Mormon faith.

    WTF does that have to do with anything I said? (none / 0) (#128)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:30:19 PM EST
    They have nothing to do with what I said or asked you.

    "Obama ate a dog" (5.00 / 3) (#127)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:52:18 PM EST
    Obama ate the food that was given to him as a young boy.  He didn't choose the food.  Romney did what he did as a grown man and by his own choice.  See if you can tell the difference between the two.

    Have a giant sucking 1 for that Jim (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:27:00 PM EST

    Their trainer has been accused of abuse (none / 0) (#81)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:46:40 AM EST
    Per someone in my diary who does dressage.  This is going to end up exactly like the Tennessee Walking horse scandal has though Jim.  The trainers hide the training, the horses are trained in complete secrecy now since in 2010 the world via youtube got some rollkur schooling in their faces done by a trainer who is competing in these Olympic games.  The rollkur training scandal is the reason why Mitt Romney does not want to talk about his Olympic horse and also the reason why he won't be present when that horse competes.  There will be questions posed by the world at large when the spotlight is shown on the Presidential candidates horse and what it does and how it came to do that.

    Someone is going to get close enough to get some footage at some point.  You have to worm your way in with trainers in order to even get into their stables or barns.  Someone will do it though because look at the muscle development of Romney's horse...that is rollkur. Until we have evidence though, I am wrong for many people.

    In the meantime, I wasn't born yesterday and I'm no enabler


    MT (1.00 / 1) (#115)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 04:06:37 PM EST
    So you don't have any proof that the trainer has done anything and you don't have any proof that Anne Romney would approve of him doing anything.

    What you do have is an almost unhealthy to desire to attack Romney.


    All of the horses (5.00 / 3) (#133)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 07:41:58 AM EST
    That participate at the level of dressage that Romney's horse does are trained using something called Rollkur.  Rollkur has been around for something like 160 years but is now almost universally practiced in dressage and western pleasure riding too because of the way it makes the horse look.

    It causes a lot of trauma and injuries though.  Dressage riders will tell you though they are working out the horse, they are making the horse an extreme athlete and they are extending the life and health of the horse.

    I saw a video of a famous gold medal winning dressage horse of old working and then a few current videos and the difference is excessively noticeable.  Using Rollkur makes the horse look cooler and riders doing it began winning everything, so everyone ends up doing it if they want to win.  But sorry modern dressage people, the video I saw of the old guy...he looked like Buck Brannaman on a horse, he was one with it and that horse loved him....did not fear him.  

    NOW the FEI (who has the most astonishingly filthy stinking dripping rich board) says that riders can't preform the actual act of Rollkur while competing in the ring, but the horse can "offer" to hold its head behind the vertical.  A horse will only do that if lots of Rollkur is used in training.  It is uncomfortable, maybe even painful for some, and they can't breathe while doing it.  And they only banned the use of it in the show ring and "warming" up for the show ring because of the video of one of their most famous current riders doing it in 2010 that went viral on the net.

    Using Rollkur isn't necessary though.  Like many things that we have done to animals because we don't need to rely on them being sound and healthy anymore, they are just hobby playthings now, we do it because we think the animals look cool. Those who use it and have become accustomed to doing it and seeing it refuse to go back the days when Rollkur wasn't a mandatory practice to even get a judge to look at your horse.  And the people involved in this sport are so filthy rich they have even been able to create their own scientific data on this.  They hire their own vets that live in their pockets, they hand select the horses that are used in the study, and then they produce "a study" under perfected conditions all the way around that says the animals are not being harmed.  They are like global warming deniers.

    But there is a massive harm being done to horses just to come up with a precious few champions, and they all deep down know it.  They have broken horses doing this to them just like the dog show ring began to require people to break a few dogs getting to a couple of champions.  And if the Romney's have been competing recently in modern day top shelf dressage and winning, their horses are Rollkured to hell and back.

    One article I read from an old rider went so far as to blame all this on the rich women.  The rich women like the look, this cannot be taken away from them and they cannot deal with some kind of universal understanding that all of them were harming and damaging horses just so they would look a certain way.  The men he says seem mostly fine going back to the days when they had to be deeply emotionally connected to their horse instead in order to produce the movements of dressage.  It used to be based on mutual trust and training.  The current use of Rollkur shuts down the animals airway when being done.  By God if you want to make it through this as a horse, just give the god damned people what they want so they'll stop choking you.

    If people really cared about their horses they would shun this modern day dressage.  They would turn their backs on it and nobody would show up for the competitions and nobody would be in the stands!  And we should all be able to watch the top dressage horses in the world being trained on any day of the week.  If you have to hide what you are doing, we have big problems.

    When it comes to animals, I know the Obama's are boring as hell.  They can't touch the Romney's for cool factor.  They sat down and figured out what animal they could have considering one of them is allergic.  Then they contacted breeders, and a young dog that was not fitting in with his family for some reason and was being returned to his breeder became their dog.  It's just all so humane and boring.  And the Romney family's view and use of animals is a little bit disturbing.

    If Ann Romney really wants to be a Grand Prix dressage rider humanely, it means that for about half of the day every day, she is going to have to smell like horseshit.  Which I always thought was a good smell for some reason, but not all agree.  It also probably means that she can't pay someone to train her horses for her.  She will have to work with them herself or her horse will not trust her enough to preform the movements.


    fwiw, this says (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 01:37:47 PM EST
    Very cool, thank you thank you (5.00 / 2) (#155)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 05:12:57 PM EST
    This person knows what happened to one of Anky Van Grunsven's horses.  Broken withers.  She is one of the most vocal proponents of Rollkur, she insists insists insists that if you are an experienced enough rider you can then magically Rollkur and nobody gets hurt.  She gives workshops on it. To really challenge and get to the reality of what these people do you have to find their broken horses, and if they are like dog show people they will do everything imaginable to hide them...to include kill them.

    One of the newbies who was taken by the same breeders with the champion gaiting dogs that I was, she was due to have puppies.  I tried to send her a warning as kindly as I could about the collapsed pasterns on the dog that I got from them, also trying not to get myself blacklisted as well.  You want to believe these people with all these champions wouldn't do horrible things though.  Her puppies came, a pastern collapsed on one at 6 weeks...which is really super mother friggin shocking.  When the breeder found out she phoned her and told her that puppy needed to disappear now and never be spoken of again, and any other puppy who had the same thing happen needed to meet with the same fate.  The person was crushed.  She has never had another litter of puppies again.  I doubt she ever will.  She is scarred.


    MT you have no proof of anything (1.00 / 4) (#143)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:30:46 AM EST
    Like I said, you just want to attack Romney.

    World's greatest enabler (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:48:12 AM EST

    You have no proof of anything (1.00 / 1) (#165)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 09:15:16 AM EST
    I got nothing illegal... (none / 0) (#147)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 10:00:40 AM EST
    though this is America, everybody has done something illegal at some point, it is impossible not to.

    Immoral...that's a piece of cake Jim, if ya put any stock in a book called the Bible.

    Mark 10:25...It is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

    And again, for good measure.

    Matthew 19:24...And again I say to you: It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    Sorry oculus, wrong video (none / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:38:13 AM EST
    That is the rollkur video in the diary.  This is the trailer to the video.

    He emailed me this one too (none / 0) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:54:55 AM EST
    To try to demonstrate the crapstorm out there.  I think the vet giving his testimony at the end cinches it for me.  He says this morning he figured I would start a fire.  Firestarter!  I think dressage is in trouble though, at least dressage in its current Olympic form.

    Good Morning! (none / 0) (#77)
    by DebFrmHell on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:28:41 AM EST
    I looked all over for your rant.  Sure could use a link... or at least a hint!

    I love the equestrian events.  The jumping both arena and cross-country takes my breath away.


    Cross country is so dangerous (none / 0) (#82)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:50:52 AM EST
    Many sports are dangerous though.  That's just my opinion and people will still box and play hockey and football.  When I was a kid I took riding lessons, it made my dad very nervous though...he had a bad horse experience.  He allowed me my wish though.  My horse that I had lessons on was a retired dressage horse.  He had no feeling in his tongue anymore and when he trotted around the ring his tongue uncontrollably hung out of his mouth.  I never knew why when I was a kid.  I just thought he was a goofy old horse.

    WOW! (none / 0) (#134)
    by DebFrmHell on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 08:10:13 AM EST
    By the time I got thru about 2/3rds of the comments I found myself wishing the person that said "Goodbye" a few times would actually leave.  While I learned more than I knew from her, in the end I regretted it.  I am always up for constructive criticism but I wanted to stick a "cyber" bucket on her head and bang it with a stick.  I am sooo mature.

    I never trained in dressage as I was all about the jumping.  It was such an exhilarating thrill.  I go over every jump with them. After all of these years... I am so silly that I even catch myself holding my hands like I have reins in them!



    Here's a link (none / 0) (#84)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:54:17 AM EST
    This amuses me: (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 09:36:52 PM EST
    Appearing at a television store in Arlington, Virginia, Gingrich, former speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, said Obama's comments on business in fact reflected his true approach.

    "When you read the totality of that speech, Obama is so clearly contemptuous," Gingrich told reporters, who were the only attendees at the event. "The longer this argument goes on, the better it is for Romney."

    Quite disappointing TalkLeft is (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 10:23:17 PM EST
    not informing me of the current status of Stewart/Pattinson/Sanders "scandal" and/or the news Bristol Palin will again appear on "Dancing with the Stars."  Come on, people!

    I think BP will be a non-whatever (none / 0) (#53)
    by nycstray on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 10:36:44 PM EST
    on DWTS. Her show is tanking to the point they moved her to some off time slot late at night and she's got some serious competition. Emmit Smith for starters :D Very popular field that she's going against and methinks her 15mins might just be up . . .

    Know not a thing about those other people . . .


    Twilight movies stars and director. (none / 0) (#54)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 10:46:53 PM EST
    Which is the extent of my info.

    Is it unusual for a "star" to be re-invited on Dancing w/the Stars?  


    They're doing an all "star" show (none / 0) (#55)
    by nycstray on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 11:14:30 PM EST
    past winners, popular top placers etc, plus a couple that are there (imo) for early elimination, lol!~

    The cast:
    Pamela Anderson
    Kelly Monaco
    Melissa Rycroft
    Shawn Johnson
    Kirstie Alley
    Bristol Palin
    Joey Fatone
    Drew Lachey
    Emmitt Smith
    Apolo Anton Ohno
    Gilles Marini
    Helio Castroneves


    Hopefully Miss Palin (none / 0) (#58)
    by sj on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 01:47:45 AM EST
    will be knocked out forthwith.  

    The only obstacle I see to that is (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 02:31:45 AM EST
    many may split their votes between contestants and if there's any chance she still has a rabid fan base, they may not split. But in reality, against that field, she should go first . . .  The boys alone (eye candy city that can move on the dance floor) should shut her out :)

    Guilty pleasure side note: Me n' Mom cheering Mr Smith from both coasts. I used to call her up (in a weird way we watched that season 'together') during the show. We had so much fun with that one :) We're still all about the boys breaking' it out and shaken' it! lol!~


    ... knocked up.



    Didn't Todd Palin get his own show too? (none / 0) (#137)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 08:16:05 AM EST
    Lol!~ (none / 0) (#57)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 01:21:07 AM EST
    In further convention news, former Vice President Dick Cheney revealed to ABC News' Jonathan Karl in an exclusive interview that he will be skipping the Republican convention in Tampa, Fla. Instead, Cheney plans to spend time doing something he loves: fishing.
    "I've got a fishing trip planned that week," Cheney said. "I've done a lot of conventions over the years, but this is a special trip I've been planning on for a long time."


    hmm.. what kind of shotgun (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by observed on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 02:05:47 AM EST
    does Cheney use to fish?

    I (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by lentinel on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 05:35:21 AM EST
    read that his method is to drop toxins into the lakes and streams and wait for the fish to float to the surface.

    In other words, he goes swimming... (5.00 / 3) (#62)
    by Anne on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 06:39:44 AM EST
    sorry - couldn't resist; I do see him as someone who oozes toxins from every pore.

    Love this comment (none / 0) (#160)
    by Rupe on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 08:55:53 PM EST
    Does anybody have a link to a Live Stream (none / 0) (#63)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 07:16:46 AM EST
    of the U.S. vs North Korea women's soccer game today? The game is scheduled for 9:15 AM (PDT).

    NBC's live stream is useless to me because it requires that one already have a cable or satellite provider, and I get my TV the old fashioned way, over the air with a rabbit ears antenna.

    Check (none / 0) (#72)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:12:35 AM EST
    this link at gametime. It may or may not be broadcast in English but this is the only one I've found thus far. If it gets blocked (a possibility) I'll hunt for another

    USA Women's Soccer


    Or try this one (none / 0) (#91)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:27:10 AM EST
    Very suspicious: (none / 0) (#64)
    by brodie on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 07:54:13 AM EST
    16 yo Chinese gold medalist swimmer Ye set a world record and took five seconds off her personal best in winning the 400m medley.  In the last 50m she also beat the time of the men's winner Ryan Lochte.

    Allegations of doping.

    Dumb... (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:51:14 AM EST
    ...the only reason for the allegation is more or less that they can't believe the time.  There is no actual proof beyond that.  What a girl can't swim as fast as Lockte ?

    I don't think any responsible athlete, coach, or commentator should make a doping allegation without a lick of proof, and being faster than the others is not proof.

    She will get tested, they should let it play out without the accusation and keep their hunches to themselves.

    You link is dead.


    I watched her race, and there was no (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 12:05:27 PM EST
    indication from the commentary that she was doing anything all that unusual. She did not blow away the competition in her own race. The times of the other swimmers must have been close to Lochte's as well, if it matters.

    But I find the comparisons to Lochte's race irrelevant - the circumstances were not the same. If they want to put them in the pool head to head and swim it out, I would gladly watch.


    Really? The fact that she swam (2.00 / 1) (#86)
    by brodie on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:04:51 AM EST
    faster than the gold medal winning man over the same final distance doesn't raise a red flag for you?  A Chinese swimmer (see BBC report above)?  With that country's history of cheating?

    But help me out here:  when did women begin out doing men in any sport that involves speed, endurance and strength?  I'd like to know -- I'm no expert in Olympics sports but am just trying to apply common sense.  Please show me the evidence with prior recorded examples in Olympics history.  I like solid evidence, not just weak arguments that are emotional/political appeals to gender equality.


    There's a first time for everything (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 12:33:55 PM EST
    perhaps women are catching up.

    We have more women on the US team than men, so watch yer backs, boys!  :D


    Red Flag Sure... (none / 0) (#98)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 12:15:11 PM EST
    ...but just because I have a pocket full of cash doesn't mean you get to claim I'm a thief because I have been broke a$$ my whole life, or that the local bank just got robbed.  To me there need to be proof before you start calling someone a cheat at the Olympics, or any sport.

    Test her, they don't need to claim they know anything when they don't; it's the definition of sore loser, and could corrupt her reputation even if she's clean.  And if not, then say what you have to say.

    Being fast does not equal doping, maybe a good reason to test, but don't make an allegation you can't support.  And not you in particular, but people w/i the sport that have clout.  Those accusation don't disappear and I would imagine they wouldn't take kindly to the Chinese claiming we are doping because we have some phenom that is breaking all the records.

    Where's your outrage for the 2012 US goalie, Hope Solo who actually tested positive and has been warned ?

    HERE is a listing of doping cases in athletics, show me where China dominates, looks like US and Russia are more prone to using banned substance or refusing to take the test.


    Well before you get (2.00 / 1) (#112)
    by brodie on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 02:54:32 PM EST
    up there too high on the presumed innocent until proven guilty horse, remember that they always test the top five finishers in every competition plus two others at random.  This is in addition to random testing at the Olympic Village and off-site venues.  So the presumption is there is a widespread problem with cheating as to banned substances and in effect for many almost an implied assumption they are guilty until they prove their innocence by testing clean.

    And if Le tests clean and continues to pass the tests then she should be presumed legit and I will be happy to send an email of apology to her for voicing my suspicions here at TL, cc'ing her coach, the head of the Chinese Olympic Comm'ee, and whoever the premier of China is, which I would have to look up.

    As for Ms Solo, she was caught but it looks like some secondary substance found in some prescription drugs which (I'm guessing) isn't known to significantly enhance performance.  But she's on warning to be clean as a hound's tooth from here on out, so it seems the system is working and proper as to her.

    Re country doping stats you cite, China has only been participating since 1984, most other countries for much longer.  In any case I was just going by the BBC report cited here plus recollection of the controversy over the too young looking kids they fielded in gymnastics in 2008.


    There could also be the presumption (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 03:06:24 PM EST
    that such widespread testing reduces the doping instances.

    So the presumption is there is a widespread problem with cheating as to banned substances and in effect for many almost an implied assumption they are guilty until they prove their innocence by testing clean.

    Since they are testing so much, why are we not hearing about all of these guilty athletes?


    Not on Any Horse... (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 04:47:24 PM EST

    Xu Qi, head of the Chinese swimming team:

    "If there are suspicions, then please lay them out using facts and data. Don't use your own suspicions to knock down others. This shows lack of respect for athletes and for Chinese swimming."

    Said better than I can, but I would include all athletes.


    In fact, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) hinted on Tuesday that Ye had not tested positive for drugs.

    She was tested after her Olympic gold and is most likely to have undergone further tests in the immediate build-up to the Games and over a longer period.

    Anti-doping agencies have sought to beat cheating using target testing and intelligence gathering ahead of London 2012.

    "We would only comment if we had any adverse finding," IOC spokesman Mark Adams said on Tuesday. "I am not commenting, so you can draw your own conclusions."

    If that holds true, all the idiots took away her gold medal moment with nothing but baseless accusations and for what, because they thought she was too fast ?  To me, unless they have some proof, they need to put a sock in it.  Now this will always be something talked about, even though she is probably clean, she will never lose that stigma.  And I am guessing, some will have the gall to claim she cheated the test.

    All because she's faster than them, damn shame.


    Not really suspicious at all. (none / 0) (#65)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:07:59 AM EST
    I heard Ian Thorpe, former Australian swimming phenom, talking about Ye's performance and the allegations. He said that it is not out of line for a teenage a swimmer to see such dramatic improvement in times.

    Thorpe noted that when he was a teenager he beat a world record and bested his own personal best by 5 seconds when he was just 16. According to Thorpe teenage athletes can make tremendous improvements because they are growing and developing muscle strength and control at a fairly rapid rate. When they get older and have stopped growing, well, then one does not usually see such dramatic improvement.

    And why are people acting like it is so impossible for this girl to have bested Lochte's time?  Ryan is not exactly having a great Olympics so far. Plus, where is it written that if a female swimmer beats the time of a male swimmer then she must have cheated somehow?

    It I think it is possible that Ye really is that good.

    Plus, she has been tested for drugs. Nothing was found.


    It is insulting that the first thing (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:18:16 AM EST
    thrown down by many is doping.

    Sorry not buying that defense. (none / 0) (#67)
    by brodie on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:01:39 AM EST
    Let's just take the most glaringly suspicious aspect -- that in the final 50m she managed to swim faster than Lochte did in the final fifty of his gold medal same event.

    Has such a feat of a female swimmer going faster than her comparable world class male counterpart ever been done?  Is there any example in Olympics history that can be produced of a female swimming faster than the men's winner over that or any distance?

    If so that's actual evidence in support of your position.  If not we're left with a record showing this feat by Ye as unprecedented in history, a suspicious record quite obviously.  You have one expert opinion to offer, but many other experts in this field, including the US coach, see it as suspicious.

    And it's not like it's a shocking allegation to accuse the Chinese of cheating.  As with their too young gymnasts at the last Olympics.

    Drug testing for all substances takes a while, I understand, and is not yet complete.


    Complaints from the U.S. coach, huh? (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:56:06 AM EST
    Not sure I'd hang my hat on what could be sour grapes from the U.S. coach.

    Perhaps I am more skeptical of these complaints because I remember when the Williams sisters burst onto the pro tennis scene, and proceeded to eat everyone's lunch. They faced similar accusations including that they were using performance enhancing drugs.

    OMG! people declared, their serves are too powerful for a woman, their game is too physical, dammit, those Williams sisters are just too dominant.

    Now, oh so many years later, other tennis players have stepped up their game and their conditioning. Now no one blinks an eye at Serena's vicious serve.

    And let's not forget poor maligned Caster Semenya, the South African runner who also turned in times that astonished and improved at a rate others questioned. That poor girl had to undergo tests to prove that she is female. She was attacked and publicly humiliated. And guess what? She is a girl, and she won fair and square.

    Maybe there has been cheating, but I hesitate to jump to that conclusion without proof.


    Well her amazing (ahem) (none / 0) (#80)
    by brodie on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:44:40 AM EST
    performance should surely send up a few red flags even as we withhold final judgment.  Not to be a little skeptical here seems extraordinarily naive given Olympics history of doping and other ways of cheating.  Especially as it deals with a country that seems more than normally interested in producing a lot of gold medals.

    Do you have any actual proof ... (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 01:56:47 PM EST
    ... of your contentions -- that is, aside from your own hunch and the hearsay offered by a U.S. coach? Now, if this young Chinese woman outperformed Ryan Lochte over and over again over a sustained period of time, I might agree with you that it looks suspect.

    But that's clearly not the case here. It only happened once, your taking one leg of a long race out of context, and there are a lot of entirely plausible explanations for why it did happen that don't involve doping. I mean, who's to say that Lochte himself didn't inadvertantly let up a little during the last 50M of the 400M medley?

    Please don't make specious allegations about others, especially teenagers, if you can't back it up with something more substantive than your own suspicious nature.


    And sadly that is true too (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:20:36 AM EST
    China has blatantly cheated before.

    And China apparently (none / 0) (#79)
    by brodie on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:38:44 AM EST
    has a record of cheating in swimming, as per this BBC report.

    The DNC (none / 0) (#78)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:34:47 AM EST
    is going to put gay marriage on it's platform.  

    Who says there is no difference between the parties?  That's wrong. Both parties are imperfect, but one is better.  


    [Side note: wouldn't have happened without leadership from an admin whose name rhymes with Orama.]

    Are you sure about that? (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by sj on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 03:54:41 PM EST
    [Side note: wouldn't have happened without leadership from an admin whose name rhymes with Orama.]
    I don't think you can make that assumption without viewing the State platforms for the last two years; the platform isn't created in a vacuum.  You may be right, but your assertion is completely unsupported.  

    I'm not a Democrat anymore, so I won't do your research for you.  On the other hand, neither are you.  Are you going to do the research anyway?  

    As to this:

    Who says there is no difference between the parties?  
    The fact that the parties were different was why I was a Democrat. It's supposed to be better, IMO.  It used to be better.  Just review the platform from years gone by.  Lots of good stuff in it.  This plank is a very good one.

    IOW (none / 0) (#85)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:57:48 AM EST
    Obama deserves all the credit ?  If only it didn't take his screwing up and actually having to compete against Mitt Romney to get him to flip on something so obviously right.

    So I guess you are right, had Obama actually not acted like a right wing hack for 3.3 years, he would have sailed through this election, and his views on gay marriage could have remained the same.  

    He deserves all the credit, just not in the way you propose.  Not really sure what he has actually done for that cause beyond lip service, but lip service is better than his stand 4 years ago.


    Scott (none / 0) (#88)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:06:45 AM EST
    Let's keep it focused on one issue at a time because I think all of your ranting about 3.3 years is just gibberish.

    On gay issues, Obama

    1. Repealed DADT
    2. Relaxed federal policies in various pro-LGBT ways
    3. Selected a transgender person to a prominent spot in his admin
    4. Stopped enforcing DOMA
    5. Came out in favor of gay marriage

    Now the DNC is making it a party plank

    If LGBT issues are a big deal to you (they are to me) then the fact that he has taken a strong leadership position is undeniable.   There really is no credible argument against the assertion that he has done more for gay rights than any President and likely any nationally elected politician in these past 4 years.

    Sorry that doesn't fit you "Obama Sux" narrative, but it is what it is.  

    You disagree on his accomplishments and the power of his bully pulpit on LGBT issues? Please give your soon to be annihilated counter position.


    I Was Adressing Gay Marriage (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:34:49 AM EST
    And although I actually applaud his stand, don't act like he flipped for any other reason than votes.  Which is basically what I wrote, and that if he wasn't forced to be competitive in this race due to his 3.3 year dereliction to jobs, his view would be the same as it was when he was elected.

    My comment was for the one issue in your post.


    For sure on this issue. (none / 0) (#87)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:05:40 AM EST
     And, with a little help from a guy whose name rhymes with riden.    And, with every word uttered by Magic MItt, on almost every other issue.  

    And, with every word not uttered or hidden--such as Mitten's financial mysteries...in an op-ed in today's NYT, Michael J. Graetz, a professor of tax law at Columbia and deputy treasury secretary under Daddy Bush, analyzes Romney's one complete tax return with a critical eye that raises doubt about campaign claims that off shore accounts did not save him one penny of tax, the amazing trick to turn contributions that are limited to $30,000 to $50,000 a year into $20 million to $101 million , and the handling of gift taxes on transfers to a trust set up for his five sons.  To settle the questions, Professor Graetz calls for the release of gift tax returns and at least three additional years of income tax returns.  After all, he notes, the Senate usually requires more than that for confirmation to a sub-cabinet post.


    Funny Summary of Mitts Performance... (none / 0) (#90)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:22:53 AM EST
    ...from Chuck Dodd who I am not fan, but this is funny:
    So what's the best way to view Romney's overseas trip, which just concluded today in Poland? Since we're in Olympics season, think of it as a floor exercise in gymnastics. Romney picked a routine with a low degree of difficulty -- a cartwheel here (visiting Great Britain), one somersault there (the stop in Israel), and a grand finale featuring a simple back flip (the last leg in Poland). There were some upsides for him: Americans saw him on their TV sets during the opening ceremony at the Olympics; he bonded with Israeli PM Netanyahu; he gave a solid speech in Israel; and got his photo-op with Lech Walesa in Poland. But because the routine was so simple, the mistakes stuck out even more. So as Romney performed his cartwheel in England, he stepped out of bounds when he questioned London's readiness for the Olympics. He lost additional points for flubbing the end of the somersault in Israel when he tried to explain the economic differences between Israel and the Palestinian Authority through a cultural prism (that may end up offending Mexican Americans as much as he appeared to offend Palestinians). And after sticking his landing in Poland, his campaign got into a spat with the judges -- that is, the reporters following him.

    The spat:

    Romney press aide fired back, "Show some respect," adding: "Kiss my ass. This is a holy site for the Polish people. Show some respect."


    Chuck Todd actually nailed it, too funny.

    So basically . . . (none / 0) (#92)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:30:32 AM EST
    He f*cked up in every country?  :)

    i'm disappointed there was no Polish (none / 0) (#94)
    by observed on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:41:59 AM EST
    joke. On the other hand, his attempt backtrack on the "Jews are good at making money" comments from yesterday make no sense. NOW he says that he wasn't speaking about Palestinian culture. Oh really??

    Well, the tomb is certainly not... (none / 0) (#95)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:45:56 AM EST
    a holy site.  Important yes, but certainly not designated by the RCC as a holy site like the Black Madonna or the birthplace of JP2.

    Pretty Sure the Only One... (none / 0) (#106)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 01:47:08 PM EST
    ...who thinks that works for Romney.

    How long will it be (none / 0) (#100)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 12:34:25 PM EST
    before we see someone asking this guy unscripted questions, and following up on non-answers.  For his entire life Mitt has been immune to questioning by his inferiors, and it is clear he has little patience with it.  I want to see a meltdown on live TV.

    I would think Mr. Obama is drooling to get on a stage with this guy.


    That particular quote ... (none / 0) (#109)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 02:02:12 PM EST
    ... neatly sums up the GOP's collective descent into the murky depths of political schizophrenia.

    "Show some respect. Kiss my a$$. This is a holy site[.]"



    And the Cherry on that Hot Mess... (none / 0) (#111)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 02:46:27 PM EST
    ...as MileHi noted, it's not even a holy site.

    Oh please please please make it so (none / 0) (#118)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 04:28:03 PM EST
    Yves Smith on the possibility of Romney picking FL AG Pam Bondi as his running mate. If anyone can make Palin look like a genius, it is our Pam. I wonder if this is what Cheney was trying to prevent with his interviews?

    I wonder if Mitt Romney is aware (none / 0) (#132)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:52:28 PM EST
    Mormonism condemns gambling.  what Mormons believe

    I read something about that the other day (none / 0) (#136)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 08:15:06 AM EST
    It was pretty funny.  Not only did trying to bet Rick Perry $10,000 make him sound like a 12 year old, it was verboten too.  His means of making his living in the past would seem to be verboten as well.

    I was thinking of the (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 08:56:55 AM EST
    of his campaign contributer.

    That's a trifecta of sin (none / 0) (#157)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 06:02:23 PM EST
    Just watched some fencing at the Olympics (none / 0) (#135)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 08:11:33 AM EST
    Interesting.  And whenever one of the competitors becomes frustrated or happy she makes her free hand into a fist and screams in her helmet.  Freaked me out at first, but I love it.  So honest, it's friggin great.  Is there always this much screaming in fencing?

    Those fencing helmets (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by fishcamp on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 10:54:01 AM EST
    are very cool.  They light up when the other taps your electronic vest.  Quite the improvement over running your opponent through while nude to win back during the first Olympics.  

    Judge Lester denies Zimmerman's ... (none / 0) (#140)
    by Yman on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:06:51 AM EST
    Uh-oh... (5.00 / 4) (#141)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:14:15 AM EST
    I think I hear a few heads exploding.

    I fervently hope BTD has some political posts in which we can take refuge - or at least some non-Zimmerman open threads...



    Buwhahahahahahahaha! (none / 0) (#156)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 05:56:11 PM EST
    Just watched Palin obviously call Cheney a Dick instead of Dick Cheney.