Wednesday Open Thread and TalkLeft's New Forums

TalkLeft's webmaster Colin and I have spent the last five days re-constructing the old TalkLeft Duke Lacrosse Forums from 2006 and creating new TalkLeft Forums for the George Zimmerman case.

While I will continue to report here on major Zimmerman case news when it occurs, most of the case discussion from now on will be on the Forums, so that TalkLeft can get back to other topics. For more about the new forums, see our announcement here.

The Duke La Crosse Forums, which had 75,000 comments as of 2009, have been restored through mid-2009 and moved here. (In 2010, when we moved servers, the content after October, 2006 got lost and it took until this weekend to find and restore it. The restoration is for historical purposes only, the Duke Forums are closed.) [More...]

Because the Duke Forum software is now obsolete, the new forums had to be recreated from scratch. It was a huge task, and is still ongoing. Colin did transfer the active registered users from the Duke Forums to the new forums, so they will not have to re-register if they want to use the Zimmerman forums, but I deleted many accounts, including those who had been banned and those who had never posted.

If you didn't register for the Duke Forums before 2009, you do have to register for the new forums -- your TalkLeft registration is not recognized on the forums. But you can register with the same user name and password if you want.

I'll be offline the rest of the day, here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Thank you. (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 02:32:46 PM EST

    In your honor (4.50 / 2) (#8)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 03:43:57 PM EST
    it should be renamed the Lord Voldemort or the Dark Lord Forum as a token gesture to "He Who Must Not Be Named"

    Did you see Polanski's (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 03:52:47 PM EST

    Polanski (none / 0) (#13)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:09:47 PM EST
    as in your original albeit unnamed "he who should not be named"? I only follow Polanski at your urgings (which I have yet to be witness to)

    Per Wiki: (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:17:29 PM EST
    Although set in Brooklyn, New York, the film was shot in Paris, because of Polanski's fugitive status.

    R.I.P., Andy Griffith (1926-2012). (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 02:57:19 PM EST
    His self-titled CBS sitcom, The Andy Griffith Show -- situated in mythical Mayberry, NC but actually filmed on a CBS soundstage in Hollywood and the Santa Monica Mountains -- never finished out of the top ten in the Nielsen ratings, spawned two spin-offs (Gomer Pyle, USMC and Mayberry RFD), and concluded its phenomenal 8-year run in 1968 as the No. 1 show.

    Andy Griffith's television persona was such that 18 years later, he parlayed another series, the courtroom drama Matlock, into a perennial favorite for nine seasons.

    But I'll always remember him as the frightening vagrant-turned-political demagogue Larry "Lonesome" Rhodes in Elia Kazan's eerily prescient 1957 drama, A Face in the Crowd, more than holding his own against such acting heavyweights as Patricia Neal, Walter Matthau and Lee Remick.

    It was a virtuoso performance that completely belied Griffith's forthcoming role as TV's beloved Sheriff Andy Taylor, and is remembered today by film critics as one of the towering big-screen performances of the mid-20th century. Griffith later recalled convincing Kazan and screenwriter Budd Schulberg to cast him as Lonesome Rhodes, by doing his impression of noted evangelist Oral Roberts performing a faith healing.

    Aloha, Andy Griffith.

    Andy Griffith was also a staunch, ... (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:10:45 PM EST
    ... active and dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, whose political endorsements were much sought after by liberal politicians in his home state of North Carolina. He cut ads supporting Mike Easley and Bev Perdue in their respective gubernatorial races, which in Easley's case was credited with helping put him over the top.

    A whole nickel, pa? (none / 0) (#25)
    by Dadler on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:38:37 PM EST
    RIP, Sheriff Taylor.  

    The Andy Griffith Show and Courtship of Eddie's Father took up a lot of my viewing time, for obvious reasons if you knew me as a kid.


    I said to my husband tonight, (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Anne on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 05:43:27 PM EST
    "God whistled Andy home today..."  

    I can't think "Andy Griffith" without hearing the whistling theme song for the show in my head.

    Godspeed, Andy.


    Sometimes, when I'm home, (none / 0) (#51)
    by NYShooter on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 10:14:53 PM EST
    in the middle of the afternoon, and not much to do, I channel surf, mindlessly. Yawning as I skip past the news shows, the preachers, the soaps, reruns & infomercials galore....There they are: Andy, Barney, Opie, Aunt Bee, and all the rest.

    The clicker gets set down, a silly smile breaks out on my face, and I settle into the most enjoyable half hour of uncomplicated fun you could imagine. And, what's the part I anxiously wait for towards the end of the episode?........."Stay tuned, folks, another episode of Mayberry RFD is coming up.........right now!



    Me too. (none / 0) (#39)
    by lentinel on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:08:16 PM EST
    I'll always remember Andy Griffith in "A Face in the Crowd".

    A really great performance.


    He was also a pretty funny guy. (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:02:39 PM EST
    From his 1956 stand-up nightclub act, when he was discovered:

    "If you've got a boy that courts a gal you don't like or the other way around, and if you don't want the expense of a funeral on you, the best thing to do is let 'em have a cheap wedding."
    - Andy Griffith, as a young hillbilly trying to explain the nuances of Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet to his high school teacher (1956)

    I didn't (none / 0) (#59)
    by lentinel on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 04:55:49 AM EST
    know that he did standup.

    I found the routine you mentioned on Youtube.

    • Romeo, Romeo, wherefor art thou Romeo?

    • Right 'chere

    Go find his record (none / 0) (#61)
    by unitron on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 08:01:07 AM EST
    "What it was, was football".

    yep (none / 0) (#76)
    by Amiss on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 11:33:02 PM EST
    My dad loved that record!

    You made a good point (none / 0) (#50)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 08:43:31 PM EST
    It was a virtuoso performance that completely belied Griffith's forthcoming role

    The question is this.

    Wasn't he acting in both roles??

    Who was the real Andy??


    It was only when he played a villain... (none / 0) (#56)
    by unitron on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 12:28:52 AM EST
    ...that you realized how good he really was.

    Check him out opposite Johnny Cash in 1983's "Murder in Coweta County".


    I love "A Face in the Crowd" ... (none / 0) (#68)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 10:09:12 AM EST
    but I also think "The Andy Griffith Show" is an excellent piece of work and much deeper and more serious than many think.  It's also politically progressive. A superior show.

    Last night the Mrs. SUO and I (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 03:06:29 PM EST
    went to see the movie "Ted" with no knowledge of what the movie was about.

    I wanted to slit my wrists.

    My condolences. (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 03:30:56 PM EST
    Seth MacFarlane's rather ribald and risque sense of humor is definitely not for everyone. I so happen to think he's hysterical, and plan on sseing Ted this weekend -- but I can definitely see how others find him crude and obnoxious.

    I felt much the same way you do now, when I saw the 1998 film There's Something About Mary. I found it both sophomoric and idiotic, like most Farrelly Bros.' screen efforts, and just didn't care for it at all. But lots of others apparently disagreed, since it was No. 1 at the box office for weeks on end.


    I have a love/hate relationship (none / 0) (#7)
    by indy in sc on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 03:42:32 PM EST
    with Seth MacFarlane.  I find him alternately crude and obnoxious and smartly hilarious.  Some of his humor seems over the top just for shock value without being particularly smart or funny.  I would say I find him 75% hilarious and 25% obnoxious.  

    All of that said, I don't think I can bring myself to go to the theater to see a talking teddy bear (but I will probably watch it when it comes to cable).


    That's a fair assessment. (none / 0) (#12)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:06:54 PM EST
    Like I said, MacFarlane's clearly not everyone's cup of tea (see Anne's comment). I do enjoy his edgy sense of humor, but even I'll wince at his schtick whenever he pushes the envelope a bit too far.

    Good luck, someone's gotta like it. (none / 0) (#32)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 05:00:08 PM EST
    From the trailer I've seen, it looks like (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Anne on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 03:32:27 PM EST
    a truly stupid movie, and I can't figure out what - other than money - enticed its stars to sign on, or why a potty-mouthed teddy bear is supposed to be funny.  Someone said it's a lot like "Family Guy" - a show I can't abide.

    Sorry you had such a bad experience...did you stay for the whole thing?  Not sure even the popcorn or Junior Mints would have been enough to make me want to see it through to the end.


    potty-mouthed (none / 0) (#29)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:48:25 PM EST
    stuffed animals, seniors, and little kids..

    Kind of played out at this point, no?


    As painful a movie as I've ever seen.

    I am so sorry to hear that (none / 0) (#30)
    by sj on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:50:03 PM EST
    I don't go to movies often, so I have only gone to two movies "blind" like that.  I had better luck than you did, though.  My two "I don't know anything about them" movies were LadyHawke and Highlander.  Which remain favorite movies to this day.  If I find either of them playing on TV I will stop and watch the rest of the movie.  Always.  Have them on DVD, too.

    I'm so sorry that you saw "Ted" instead.


    Ah! Ladyhawke! (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 12:14:21 AM EST
    One of the most wonderful underrated and mostly unseen movies there is.  Huge fun, an utterly magnificent and entirely realistic "heavy horse" warhorse, and more intensely erotic by suggestion than any movie with naked bodies and simulated sex-- Rutger Hauer at his powerful but emotionally vulnerable masculine best and Michelle Pfeiffer at the peak of her loveliness.  Wow.

    Its one big flaw is the truly wretched German disco soundtrack, which has always puzzled me.

    But I learned some time ago from an LA session musician that the original score, I think by Goldsmith if I remember right, was regarded by the musicians who'd recorded it as one of the best movie scores ever made-- but the producers apparently panicked at the last minute about the film's reception and substituted the wildly incongruous disco crap in a flailing bid for the youth audience.  Which of course didn't work.

    The recording of that score presumably still exists somewhere in somebody's vaults.  Sure wish they'd dust it off and rerelease the movie with it.

    Anyway, delighted to discover another fan of this terrific movie.


    I had the great good fortune (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 12:20:32 AM EST
    to be able to see Star Wars "The Empire Strikes Back" in a preview showing before the critics had seen it.  It's hard to imagine the impact that Yoda, for instance, made on people who were totally taken by surprise by him.

    And by the end of the movie, we were all reeling from how wonderful the soundtrack was.  Everybody stayed in their seats through the very end of the credit roll to keep listening through it.  A really magical movie experience from start to finish I will never forget.


    We saw "Moonrise Kingdom" (none / 0) (#33)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 05:01:13 PM EST
    over the weekend, really enjoyed it.

    I'd also recommend "Bernie," in case ... (none / 0) (#38)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 05:57:08 PM EST
    ... you haven't seen it yet. It's a witty and cunning indie film, with razor-sharp performances from Jack Black (as the title character, a small town funeral director, and light-years from his usual comdic turns, i.e., "Shallow Hal"), Shirley MacLaine (in fine form as the widowed battleaxe whom nobody likes), and Matthew McConaughey (as the local prosecutor who eventually sites Bernie in his crosshairs, to the town's dismay).

    If you liked "Moonrise Kingdom," you'll enjoy "Bernie."


    Thanks, we'll check it out. (none / 0) (#49)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:54:45 PM EST
    Bernie is very loosely based on a true story (none / 0) (#66)
    by Angel on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 09:22:37 AM EST
    which happened in Carthage, Texas.  I remember when this story was reported in Texas Monthly magazine.  It's in my Netflix queue, not being released until August.  I'm glad to know you enjoyed it.

    I had the great good fortune (none / 0) (#54)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 12:23:24 AM EST
    to be able to see Star Wars "The Empire Strikes Back" in a preview showing before the critics had seen it.  It's hard to imagine the impact that Yoda, for instance, made on people who were totally taken by surprise by him.

    And by the end of the movie, we were all reeling from how wonderful the soundtrack was.  Everybody stayed in their seats through the very end of the credit roll to keep listening through it.  A really magical movie experience from start to finish I will never forget.


    From our "Fried Chickenhawk" file: (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:01:57 PM EST
    America's favorite deadbeat dad, Congressman Joe Walsh (R-IL), decides to go there in his race with Iraq War veteran Tammy Duckworth and question her military service.

    For the record, Ms. Duckworth lost both her legs in November 2004, when the Army helicopter she was piloting was hit by an insurgent RPG and shot down. For his part, Walsh thought it perfectly cool to pay child support for his three kids for the better part of a decade, until finally compelled by a state judge a few months ago.

    Joe Walsh is nothing short of a national disgrace, and Illinois voters who reside in the 8th Congressional District would do well to toss this ten-gallon a$$hat out on his ear in November.

    Correction: (none / 0) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:18:49 PM EST
    Joe Walsh did NOT pay any child support for close to a decade. His former wife hauled him back into court last year, after she learned that he spent close to $50,000 of his own money on his campaign.

    His excuse for stiffing his own kids: His ex-wife is an attorney and she can afford it. The judge took exception to that, and threatened him with a contempt of court charge unless he paid up.


    The Run-Off That Wasn't (none / 0) (#4)
    by indy in sc on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 03:23:52 PM EST
    I feel really bad for Jeneba Tarmoh.

    At first, I thought that she was absolutely wrong to  turn down the run-off.  I still think that in the event of a tie, that is the only fair way to determine a winner (on in this case, a third place finisher for the last spot on the olympic team in that event).  However, after considering the fact that the officials had given her a medal for third and allowed her to participate in a press conference as the third place finisher before yanking it back, I can understand that she wasn't in the right mental frame of mind to compete in the much hyped run-off.  It's not fair to either athlete.  I do wish she would have pulled it together to race, but knowing she wouldn't be at her best and probably still being mad about the whole thing, she opted to pull out.    

    If I read it right, (none / 0) (#35)
    by DebFrmHell on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 05:06:04 PM EST
    she already had won a spot on the team for the 400 relay.  For a brief moment, I thought she was being altruistic by allowing another competitor / training mate (Allyson ?) to join the team, too.

    Then the specters of NIKE and NBC raised their ugly heads...

    Now I am not so sure what to think.


    Re: Tour de France. (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 03:49:25 PM EST
    I am refreshing my memory re the Dreyfus affair. According to Wiki, the race was started to increase circulation for an anti-Dreyfus magazine in completion w/pro-Dreyfus mag.

    (4 more discs to listen to of Shirer's "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.". Finished w/Barbara Will's "Unlikely Collaboration: Gertrude Stein, Bernard Fay, and the Vichy Dilemma."

    So, therefore, by logical extension, ... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:11:49 PM EST
    ... cuclists who compete in the Tour de France are actually engaging in a subliminal exercise in latent anti-Semitism.



    And, by further extension, those who watch. (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:18:45 PM EST
    So, therefore, by logical extension, ... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:30:01 PM EST
    ... we can show our unwavering support for Israel by hitting a cyclist with our car.

    No no no. The pro Dreyfus (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:39:12 PM EST
    mag was.biking and the anti was "Auto".  

    Okay, then, I'll be ... (none / 0) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:47:51 PM EST
    ... a safe driver from now on, and not text-message while passing cyclists on the highway.

    Armando referred to Occam's Razor on (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:21:34 PM EST
    Kos Radio yesterday.  But referring to who leaked to CBS re SCOTUS healthcare opinion.  

    Am I stupid or stubborn to hold a grudge? (5.00 / 7) (#22)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:33:34 PM EST
    Honestly, I haven't read Daily Kos since it Markos Moulitsas and his fellow Kossacks reveled in their own unbridled misogyny during the 2008 Democratic primaries. It so repulsed me that I swore off them, and I can't say as I've missed DKos, either.

    You may now select (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:37:01 PM EST
    which diarists to include in your "stream."I just cannot limit myself to Zimmerman and mj.  

    BTD posts more over there (none / 0) (#46)
    by Rupe on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:44:13 PM EST
    There are several other good diarists as well.  It took me a while to get back to there after the frothing adulation of the primaries but I like the customization now.

    Me, either (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 12:26:26 AM EST
    What went on there back in 2008 is to me completely unforgivable.

    Not to mention that the atmosphere (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by Anne on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 08:28:10 AM EST
    was one of wild dogs circling their prey...and once the first strike was made, it became a feeding frenzy.  I don't know if that's still the culture, because on the occasions when I've gone there to read BTD, I don't go into the comments at all.

    I know that from time to time we get accused of doing that here - pouncing on people - but I don't think anything here has ever risen to the level that it did/does at DK.  

    In some ways, I was disappointed to learn that BTD was given Associate Editor status there, because that, combined with his much-increased posting there, foreshadows - for me, at least - that he's likely to just fade out here in the next little while.  I could be wrong - it's just a feeling I have.


    "Rise and Fall" is pretty heavy going... (none / 0) (#58)
    by unitron on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 12:39:06 AM EST
    ...but should be required reading for everybody.

    But just in case you haven't gotten to it, Shirer's "Berlin Diary" is shorter and an easier read, but no less important.


    An even easier read is ... (none / 0) (#73)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 06:36:13 PM EST
    ... Christopher Isherwood's superb 1939 novel Goodbye to Berlin -- the inspiration for the Broadway musical and Bob Fosse film, Cabaret -- which introduces us to the "divinely decadent" cabaret chanteuse, Sally Bowles, and a self-absorbed city subculture that was oblivious to the rising threat of Nazi power.

    A safety reminder ripped from the headlines (none / 0) (#18)
    by scribe on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:22:59 PM EST
    for the 4th:

    When your country has its birthday in summer, it's nice to have the party with fireworks.
    When you have your country's summer birthday party with fireworks, you sometimes think they're done.
    When you think the fireworks are done, you wet them down to be sure.
    When you check, you find they didn't all go off.
    When perfectly good fireworks get wet, you dry them with a torch.
    When you dry fireworks with a torch, you get hit in the face with fireworks.

    Don't get hit in the face with fireworks.

    Lest you wind up with an eye patch, in which event you might wind up waking up in a roadside ditch.

    In this guy's case, it appears that despite melting the contact lens into his eye, he will not lose the eye.  So far.

    And let's not even talk about starting the sparklers with the toaster oven, ok?

    You left out this "lesson learned": (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:25:52 PM EST
    do not shoot unexploded fireworks w/a gun.  

    Ahem. (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by scribe on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:30:10 PM EST
    Go read the linked stories.  They happened this week.

    And, every time some person in Maine gets injured with/by fireworks, or burns down something with them, say a prayer of thanks to Governor LePage and the Republican party, who legalized them so as to capture about $100k in sales tax revenue they figured they were losing to New Hampshire.  'Cause freedom ain't freedom if you have all your fingers and eyes.


    I still have a 2"-wide scar on my back ... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:44:06 PM EST
    ... dating from 1971, when a drunken neighbor was lighting firecrackers on the 4th of July (which is illegal in Pasadena) and throwing them in our direction, and one went down the back of my shirt and exploded.

    Good thing it wasn't an M-80 -- as it was, it blew a hole in my t-shirt that was the size of a softball. My then-18-year-old cousin went over there and cold-cocked the guy, flooring him with one punch.


    Okay you made me laugh (none / 0) (#31)
    by sj on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:52:44 PM EST
    I sure didn't expect that from you :)

    Just because I read "Cleopatra" (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 05:30:46 PM EST
    from cover to cover, including the footnotes, you didn't suspect a sense of humor?

    Twice in one day (none / 0) (#41)
    by sj on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:17:50 PM EST
    Now if you could only share the backstory to your lessons learned, it would be complete.  I would be almost disappointed if your knowledge is purely intellectual.

    But it does remind me of the Darwin Awards.


    I really need to make more time ... (none / 0) (#44)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:24:29 PM EST
    ... to read such tomes. I used to love reading non-fiction, historical and otherwise. I recently (and finally) got around to picking up David McCullough's John Adams, and I'm about halfway through.

    The last such historical non-fiction book I finished was David Packenham's The Boer War, which I read just prior to our trip to South Africa in November 2010.


    I could say so much more (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Zorba on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:37:04 PM EST
    About this, but I will leave it at:  you really can't fix stupid.  
    And I am not talking about the little kids, I am talking about the guy who tried to dry the fireworks with a torch, and the mother who not only lights her cigarettes with the toaster, but worse, leaves sparklers where very young kids can get to them.
    Okay, I did say much more.     ;-)

    And people wonder (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 12:29:12 AM EST
    why the owner's manual for chainsaws tells people not to grab the chain when the saw is running.

    Don (none / 0) (#43)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:21:56 PM EST
    There are bad actors in every online forum. Do we really judge any online community based on the worst actors? I judge TL for example based on the best. Same with kos. There is a lot good going on in both places.

    Response to this (none / 0) (#48)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:19:34 PM EST
    deleted. Please do not call Markos or DKos names. And Donald, please stop the personal attacks on both Markos and Dkos.

    Markos is a good friend, and BTD posts there as well as here and does DKos radio.


    I'll make you a promise. (none / 0) (#74)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 08:19:45 PM EST
    He's your friend, and I truly respect your expression of loyalty in that regard -- but he's not mine.

    I'll refrain from posting any further comments about him here. But that said, until I hear him apologize to Mrs. Clinton, where I choose to spend my time on the web will reflect my personal opinion.


    My computer has a virus! (none / 0) (#60)
    by DebFrmHell on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 06:30:39 AM EST
    And it is killing me softly.  ((Insert weepy eyes))

    I had to get a friend to upload Mozilla onto a flash drive just to get to the internetz.  I got no more IE.  All of my Word docs, pictures, etc. have been corrupted.  I can't open squat now....

    Very discouraging.  I got to say...I don't like FireFox.

    On the other hand, my auntie gave me her new Toshiba that one of her cats decided to get sick on.  The keyboard doesn't work but everything you can "mouse" works fine.  

    I have decided to spend my limited funds on the new one rather than the old one.  

    I $mell a new motherboard in my near future.

    viruses don't hurt motherboards (none / 0) (#62)
    by unitron on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 08:10:47 AM EST
    Go here


    Get somebody to teach you how to burn a cd as an image.

    Then download the PartedMagic cd image, burn it as an image to a cd-r, set your computer to boot from the cd, and you'll have an operating system, complete with browser, that loads from the cd.

    The browser is Firefox, but there's an older version of the cd where it's Google Chrome.

    Is that Toshiba a laptop?


    Yes, it is a Toshiba Laptop! (none / 0) (#64)
    by DebFrmHell on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 09:10:27 AM EST
    So is the new one.

    Today I discovered I have no more sound either.  This one is older than dirt itself.

    ((blushing))  I tried to take the new one apart.  I thought if I could just clean the keyboard part up, it would work.  I figured, WTH, I can't "broke it" more than it is broke, right?  LOL!  

    Well... yes, I can.  I have been putting it back together since I never could get it open.

    a-hahahahahaha.  Not only am I NAL, I am no tech either!  But I got a sense of humor about the whole thing.  I am easily amused!

    My aunt forgot to give me the power cord so I need to drive out to Canyon Lake to pick that up.  I am going to get the whole box and I am hoping there is a Windows CD so that I can reload if necessary.  I did get a light to blink so I figure that to be some sort of a success!

    ((Side note:  Who knew there were that many screws to the back of a laptop?  I have three itsy-bitsy extra ones and I am hunting for my magnifying glass since I got a serious case of the "old eyes."))

    I used to have an much older Toshiba that I dropped down the escalator at the CO Springs airport!  I got that one back to working for a while until it froze up one too many times, made me all kinds of PO'd, so I slammed it shut and beat it on the top of my desk.  I had to replace that one...  


    I have much more patience now....


    ETA: (none / 0) (#65)
    by DebFrmHell on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 09:13:42 AM EST
    The old one has the virus.  The new one, Best Buy says needs a new  motherboard.  If it needed a whole new motherboard, how is it that part of it was working?  Well, until I tried to take it apart...

    The virus is only on the hard drive (none / 0) (#69)
    by unitron on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 10:20:12 AM EST
    ...and if you boot from something other than the hard drive, it might be "cleanable".

    start here (none / 0) (#72)
    by unitron on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:41:40 PM EST

    and read my reply for links to the spybot site and see what that was about a bootable cd, might be what you need to clean things up


    I tried (none / 0) (#75)
    by DebFrmHell on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 09:00:05 PM EST
    the download for the Microsoft Safety Scanner and the ARO and neither of them will load.  It says something about how there is no System 32 to store it in.

    I am no techie.  I wish I were.

    I gotz nuthin'...  ((insert disgruntled eyes again and there is a lot of swearing going on inside my head))

    On another note, I cranked up the new one.  I said to self "how much more broke could I get it?"  Well, now that I can actually power it up, it is confirmed.  I have the distinct ability to make things more broke!  That makes me laugh.  


    Want to watch something to honor the 4th? (none / 0) (#67)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 09:39:07 AM EST
    There's a very good, and challenging, interview from this week's MOYERS AND COMPANY with Khalil Muhammad on facing our racial past.  You can view that here. And they don't forget to discuss Native Americans. Though I think they lay too much of the Native American genocide at the feet of disease.

    Or, if you're a Hulu+ member, you can watch "War Room" the great documentary about Bill Clinton's '92 campaign.

    Or how about Sidney Lumet's "Network" which is available via Netflix streaming?

    Or, if you feeling like mixing a bit of May Day with your Fourth, how about Warren Beatty's "Reds"? Also available for streaming via Netflix.

    But maybe you just want to shut off the brain, grab the popcorn, and watch Roland Emmerich's "Independence Day". Not available for streaming. (Though his movie "The Patriot" is.) But you probably have a copy.  It's been in DVD bargain bins for years.

    Anyone have any other suggestions for 4th-tinged online videos or movies?

    No but last night we (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by brodie on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 11:56:55 AM EST
    decided to honor July 2 (1937) by watching the DVD of Amelia, a rather straightforward and beautifully photographed biopic of the aviatrix whose plane disappeared 75 years ago.

    Excellent performance by Hillary Swank and others.  A better movie we thought than what some major critics saw.  Not great but good.  I think some of the scribes were expecting more original artistry from the promising Indian woman director.  Since I hadn't heard of her I had no such lofty expectations.


    Lastr year, AntennaTV showed "1776". (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by EL seattle on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 12:03:15 PM EST
    I'd hope that some cable network has the sense to show that musical this year for Independence Day. I'm not a fan of the songs in "1776", but the cast is great, and it's sort of amazing just to watch the production, because I doubt if anyone in 2012 would even try to mount a Broadway-level show about the drafting of the Declaration of Independence.