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    Musings. (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 02:10:02 PM EST
    I just passed a business called:  Social Media Pathways.  ?????  And heard Rush ranting about Alice Dregger's article in the Atlantic. Connection btwn. Football head injuries and pedophilia?

    This I had to see.... (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 03:40:21 PM EST
    Social Media Pathways, offering social media management.  WTF kinda new age snake-oil is this?

    In laymens terms, looks like they'll e-bomb social media with positivity about your company for a fee, to offset all the social media complaints from your actual whiny customers. It's a living I guess;)


    Hey. It's Santa Fe. Wealthy new age. (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 07:02:33 PM EST
    Sanford Weill says break up the banks: (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 02:54:48 PM EST
    It has been a huge news day (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:39:25 PM EST
    This was pretty damned amazing.  I only wish some people would have snapped out of it like 2 years ago or sooner.  It sucks when we have to come right up to the brink of destruction  before they think that maybe we shouldn't have come this way.  He still wants to talk about confidence fairies though.  I hate that.  Real wealth does not exist in confidences, it is a mixture of things...needs, demand, innovation, dedicated work force, tangible goods.  It is rather obvious though isn't it that the Goose that laid the golden eggs is dead?  He's the first high rolling banker I've heard admit it so far.  The dumb money isn't showing up anymore.  I think another story though is that none of have any extra money for investments now, whether we are dumb or not so dumb, we just don't have it.

    Has Timeh checked in yet? (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:45:43 PM EST
    Now he tells us... (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by unitron on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 02:12:45 AM EST
    "Sanford Weill says break up the banks..."

    Isn't that kind of like GW Bush advising against rushing into wars in the middle east on very little real, verifiable information from fully vetted sources?


    Well, apparently it's gotten to the point (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by sj on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 02:15:52 AM EST
    where they're even scaring themselves.

    The kind of insane betting now (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 10:21:32 AM EST
    mimics what brought us down during the Great Depression perfectly.  I remember my father once telling me when I was a teenager that capitalism is fine but you gotta regulate the phuckers :)  Hadn't a clue what he was talking about.

    Japan beats favored for the gold Spain! (none / 0) (#114)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 10:37:42 AM EST
    Pretty sure Weill has financial reasons (none / 0) (#107)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 02:30:05 AM EST
    for wanting Citibank, at least, to be broken up...not that that means I'm against the idea.

    Finally was able to get yesterday's (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by ZtoA on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 07:50:28 PM EST
    podcast to play, and very much enjoyed it! Thanks for the link BTD. I could understand most of it but it was not 100percent. Can the background music be turned off?

    It was the one about Bain and just as an aside in the art world the middle class working artists are suffering horribly with horrid sales ever since Dec 2008. Public art artists did OK over the last couple of years since their projects originated and were funded before 2008, but now they are having troubles. On the other hand the secondary market is hot hot hot. That is the investment level art buying, you know, getting a Warhol at auction or thru a dealer for example. It is a reflection that 99% of people are not buying art but the 1% is having a great time investing. NOT creating any jobs.

    I can see that happening now (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 10:26:13 AM EST
    we used to buy artist work for our home.  Two things happened though for us.  When we moved here, no local galleries serving local artists.  There is one in Montgomery, and the owner does a good job too, but it is about a two hour drive for me.

    Second thing though is that when you are nervous all the time and your dollar buys less and less, you stop thinking about art work.  When they are arguing about cutting your retirement, you aren't thinking about artwork. I'm really sorry this is happening to you guys!!!!!


    Is it really investing? (none / 0) (#92)
    by sj on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 09:19:07 PM EST
    It is a reflection that 99% of people are not buying art but the 1% is having a great time investing.
    Or just acquiring?

    He!! yes ! (none / 0) (#94)
    by ZtoA on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 10:50:02 PM EST
    it is investing. Look at Eli Broad and the new Broad annex to LAcMA. That guy was a junk bond person who narrowly missed going to jail and instead laundered his reputation in the art world (god, I'm so glad I'm anonymous here!) and bought up a huge collection of "in" artists from the 80s and 90s. Must say, the collection is wonderful. Seriously, I saw it in the semi-private museum the foundation used to have open in Venice CA. One of the best and most memorable art viewing experiences ever for me. Anyhoo art investing, maybe like fine wine investing - but more $$ -, is an indicator. Broad buys (I've heard) 80% of Jeff Koons' work and has promoted his career. Same with Satchi, or going back the Medici.

    Yes, art is treated as an investment at a certain level. Usually not for living artists, which is one reason why it was so unusual for artists like Rauschenberg and Johns to sell at auction for bit $$. The story about Rauschenberg is that the guy who bought his work and then sold it for millions in profit at auction taunted the artist. Rauschenberg actually punched the guy at the auction house who sold his work for a great profit to himself....not the artist and then bragged about it to the artist. IF that is true, then I smile in a satisfied way.


    At the punch, I meant to add (none / 0) (#95)
    by ZtoA on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 10:52:18 PM EST
    It is my understanding Mr. Broad (none / 0) (#100)
    by oculus on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 12:42:59 AM EST
    eas a very successful housing developer in L.A.  

    I'm not sure all the ways he made his fortune (none / 0) (#111)
    by ZtoA on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 10:26:02 AM EST
    I do know that when he turned his attention to collecting, that he was brilliant - and continues to be. I know there has been controversy over MoCA's Geffen, but Mr. Broad getting Jeffrey Deitch in as director most likely saved that museum from going under.

    Oh, I know very well (none / 0) (#104)
    by sj on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 01:52:10 AM EST
    that art can be an investment.  It's the primary motivation I'm wondering about.

    I guess that depends (none / 0) (#109)
    by ZtoA on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 10:20:16 AM EST
    Changes in wealth distribution since 2008 mean that the number of high-net-worth individuals (commonly defined as having at least $1m in divestible assets) reached its highest ever level of 11 million last year, holding an estimated $42 trillion in net wealth, according to a report by Capgemini/RBC Wealth Management. Following in the footsteps of wider economic changes, the very top of the art market is enjoying rude health while the middle is struggling. At the recent London sales of impressionist and modern art, Joan Miró's Peinture (Etoile Bleue), 1927, made a record £23.6m, but works of lesser quality were shunned.

    The super wealthy can buy art as an investment (not that it proves to be a good or reliable investment), and get some other benefits:

    He believes that the market can be better understood with the introduction of a "conspicuous consumption" model. "Art acquisitions are not only about the quality of a work and the price," he says. "If a work hangs on a wall, then the buyer gets a `consumption flow'. They also get some benefits as a signal of the price they paid, so if you formalise that in a quantitative sense, it helps explain the financial sums."
    don't know what exactly they mean by consumption flow. I have a little art collection which I buy or trade for because I love the pieces I collect. At my level it is definitely not a reliable investment for me.

    Most painters sculptors etc are supported by the market, teaching or a combination of those. Illustrating, annimation can get work too. Gallery sales have dropped hugely since 2008, I heard that 40% of galleries in NYC closed doors. Now, many might have re-opened, and some simply relocated to the apartments of the dealers and are appointment only now. But still, most galleries have been hit hard, and the ones who deal in the secondary market fair better. And that does not help living artists.

    I guess that's a long way to say I'm not sure what the primary motivation is for buying art or if there actually is one. Collections are very different and reflect the collector's spirit, or a curator's sensibility.


    Thank you (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by sj on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 10:40:38 AM EST
    You just made the distinction in my mind.  A collection, I believe, is largely for pleasure.  The acquisition may also be an investment, which is gravy.

    I think the whole concept of greed and acquisition and investment when it comes to art is muddy.  My own collection is "acquisition"-based:  "I must have that (if I can possibly afford it)".  And, yeah, I guess I can get pretty greedy.  I just can't indulge my greed.

    As an aside, my brother was an artist.  And because of that, I will never buy "decor" that is mass produced even if I like it.  It doesn't usually cost that much more to help support a real live artist with a name and everything.


    I'm such a girl (4.75 / 4) (#1)
    by Dadler on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 10:17:14 AM EST
    You say that like it's a bad thing... (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Anne on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 10:44:22 AM EST
    I, for one, find it endearing that you can admit to it!



    lol - me too, beyond all reason (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 10:56:31 AM EST
    love the song that is (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 10:57:40 AM EST
    There are some sound biological reasons for me being a girl

    What's the problem? (none / 0) (#2)
    by sj on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 10:23:41 AM EST
    More than half of the population are girls.  You'd hardly be an outcast.

    Dadler would be an... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 10:53:59 AM EST
    outcast in the company of (most) men, when professing his love for Tori Amos;)

    I'd never judge D...but after dating a girl who was an absolute Tori freak, I've had my fill for several lifetimes.


    That's how I feel about jazz! (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by sj on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 10:57:09 AM EST
    After that breakup, one of my first thoughts was "Thank God I don't have to listen to jazz anymore".  And I hadn't even realized until then that it. was. bugging. the. cr@p. out. of. me.

    It really was, and I didn't know it.  Or let myself acknowledge it.  Or something.


    ditto with Peter Gabriel (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 10:58:31 AM EST
    With a snow white pillow for my big fat head :) (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 10:59:55 AM EST
    Could have been worse (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 11:02:28 AM EST
    If it had been Phil Collins we would never have made it as long as we did!

    I love Peter Gabriel (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 11:08:38 AM EST
    I can even watch his bizarre dancey performances, shrooms might improve the experience.  Makes my husband's teeth itch though, he rolls his eyes and then says that he fears he's about to become stricken deaf and blind.

    If you like Peter Gabriel... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 11:21:05 AM EST
    and bizarre, check this out...old school Genesis, which I often describe as medieval space-age theatric rock.

    "Me I'm just a lawnmower, you can tell me by the way I walk."


    Love it....awesome (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 11:29:34 AM EST
    Someplace in the cosmos though a little bit of husband's soul just died :)

    Easy now... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 11:13:04 AM EST
    Knockin' a 1/3 of the original Genesis line-up...dems fighting words!

    Old school Genesis...they were always good for a "what in the hell are you listening to?"


    The things you do for love... (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 11:07:01 AM EST
    On the whole, I've been the guilty party hogging the DJ duties more often than not...how many have parted from me thinking "Thank God I don't have to listen to "Exile on Main Street" ever again!":)

    Oh, c'mon! How can anyone... (none / 0) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:52:32 PM EST
    ...  not like songs such as "Rocks Off" and "Sweet Virginia" -- especially with lyrics like "The sunshine bores the daylights out of me" and "Got to scrape the schitt right off your shoes"?

    What a wuss (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 11:04:45 AM EST
    I love Tori Amos (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 10:58:45 AM EST
    My husband does have more of her music than I do though.  He likes a girl who can get angry when she ought to be angry.

    Right there with ya (none / 0) (#18)
    by Yman on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 11:28:49 AM EST
    Although, I have to admit to being a Sarah McLachlan fan back in the 90s, and a Pat Benatar fan in the 80s.

    Pat Benatar, Loverboy, and Journey (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 11:31:42 AM EST
    Are on tour together right now.  I wanna go

    Together?!? (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Yman on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 12:35:37 PM EST
    That's something I'd go see ...

    This has me laughing (4.67 / 3) (#21)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 11:32:39 AM EST
    Fred E. Ray Smith(R), state senate candidate in Oklahoma is sitting in jail after being picked up up Saturday on two outstanding warrants.

    "He is currently still in jail because our money has been going to campaigning, so he will serve the time he needs to serve until we can get funds to get him out," said Smith's campaign manager and fiance, SunShine Fox.

    Smith owes $2,921.46 in child support. He also owes $1,850 in fines for two separate incidents: 1) caught driving with an open container and a suspended license; 2) driving with no driver's license, no insurance, and expired tags.

    Which is worse? Driving with no license, expired tags, an open container, and no insurance? The Republicans letting this guy be their nominee? Or letting someone named SunShine Fox handle your finances?

    Ha ha (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 11:35:21 AM EST
    Damn, he thought government had been drowned in a bathtub.

    If the dude wasn't a dead beat dad... (none / 0) (#24)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 11:43:56 AM EST
    I'd consider voting for him...no license, no insurance, no tags?  He obviously shares my disdain for the DMV...I can respect that.

    And if you're gonna pass laws that put people in cages, you should at least know what its like to be locked in one.

    SunShine Fox sounds like a pron star name...what a pair!


    Don't be going to hang out in (none / 0) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 11:46:54 AM EST
    Montana now with the Freemen.

    That's "adult entertainment ... (none / 0) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 01:53:22 PM EST
    ... professional" to you, buddy!



    my 20+ y/o warrants have been "quashed & dismissed." Guess I can run for office now...

    Blessed are the merciful.... (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 02:45:33 PM EST
    for they shall know mercy.

    Now there's an idea! (none / 0) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 02:48:47 PM EST
    "S.U.O. 2012: Vote for Me, or Don't. What the Hell Do I Care?"



    I like it. (none / 0) (#48)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 03:00:04 PM EST
    Me too... (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 03:03:48 PM EST
    shades of Monty Brewster.  

    I suggest you (none / 0) (#49)
    by lousy1 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 03:02:52 PM EST
    keep copies of those papers in your car. Especially when driving out of state.

    Great idea, will do. (none / 0) (#51)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 03:06:49 PM EST
    Sunshine takes her job quite seriously. (none / 0) (#41)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 02:22:47 PM EST
    Citizesn United (4.50 / 2) (#31)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 01:36:52 PM EST
    how much has it changed the political game?:

    Not as much as you think, according to many experts:

    But the best anecdotal evidence suggests that this kind of thing isn't happening in nearly the proportions you might expect. Kenneth Gross, an election lawyer who represents an array of large corporations, told me that few of his clients have contributed to the social-welfare groups engaged in political activity this year. They know those contributions might become public at some point, and no company that sells a product wants to risk the kind of consumer reaction that engulfed Target in 2010, after it contributed $150,000 to a Minnesota group backing a conservative candidate opposing gay marriage. "If you've got a bank on every corner, if you've got stores in every strip mall, you don't want to be associated with a social cause," Gross told me.

    None of this is to say that Citizens United hasn't had an impact. Gross and others point out that in the era before Citizens United, while individuals and companies could still contribute huge sums to outside groups, they were to some extent deterred by the confusing web of rules and the liability they might incur for violations. What the new rulings did, as the experts like to put it, was to "lift the cloud of uncertainty" that hung over such expenditures, and the effect of this psychological shift should not be underestimated. It almost certainly accounts for some rise in political money this year, both from individuals and companies.

    Even so, the Supreme Court's ruling really wasn't the sort of tectonic event that Obama and his allies would have you believe it was. "I'd go so far as to call it a liberal delusion," Ira Glasser, the former executive director of the A.C.L.U. and a liberal dissenter on Citizens United, told me. Which leads to an obvious question: If Citizens United doesn't explain this billion-dollar blast of outside money, then what does?


    A consequence of McCain-Feingold has been to flip on its head an old truism of politics, which is that incumbency comes with a fixed financial advantage. In the era of soft money, controlling the White House meant that a party could almost always leverage its considerable resources to dominate fund-raising. But today it's much easier to tap into the fury and anxiety of out-of-power millionaires than it is to amass contributions in defense of the status quo. This dynamic probably explains why wealthy Democrats who pioneered the idea of outside money during the Bush years have largely stood down this year, even while conservative fund-raising has soared. It isn't that liberals don't like Obama or grow queasy at the mention of super PACs. It's a function of human nature: nobody really gets pumped up to write a $10 million check just to keep things more or less as they are.

    If you're a Democrat, there's some good news here. One persistent fear you hear from liberals is that Citizens United altered the balance between the parties in a permanent way -- that corporate money will give Republicans a structural advantage that can never be overcome. What's more likely is that the boom in outside money will prove to be cyclical, with the momentum swinging toward whoever feels shut out and persecuted at the moment. Liberals dominated outside spending in 2004 and 2006. And should Romney become president, they'll most likely do so again.

    Tried to call in (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 10:57:33 AM EST
    But it sounds like they were having some connection difficulties keeping Jesse on consistently today.  Each broadcast is better and better, but hey...there will be glitches until everything is ironed out.

    About the time that Bain has utterly burned Clear Channel to the ground, DailyKos radio ought to be full steam :)  Someday none of us will be able to get our call through because of the crush and we will sit around and talk about the good old days, when we could get through.

    And I could only make it through (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 11:38:15 AM EST
    5 minutes of Atlas Shrugged last night.  It is God Awful!  When they make the porn modeled on that whole storyline, what will they call it?

    Atlas Shagged (5.00 / 5) (#27)
    by Mr Tuxedo on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 12:29:52 PM EST
    LOL! (none / 0) (#58)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 03:49:18 PM EST
    Starring Randy Paul and Lois Primerate, no doubt ...

    Ayn Rand would have loved (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by observed on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 01:13:18 PM EST
    Obamacare, in fact. She took government assistance in her last years.

    Her whole philosophy (none / 0) (#30)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 01:36:18 PM EST
    (and I'm using the term loosely) is, imo, sublimated kinkiness..

    If it had been more socially acceptable to be a dominitrix back then, Rand probably never would've written anything


    Conversely, we should probably ... (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 02:04:22 PM EST
    ... be grateful that the notorious Bettie Page wasn't a vocal and well-written proponent of laissez faire capitalism and supply-side economics.

    Ha! (none / 0) (#98)
    by lilburro on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 12:37:03 AM EST
    Not sure what the title is, but the star (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 03:53:09 PM EST
    should call his member 'John Galt'.

    OMG (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:14:38 PM EST
    I Googled it to see if someone hadn't already done some sort of parody and found this gem:

    Q: Is masturbation and the use of pornography unethical or irrational?

    A: Masturbation for men is healthy for several medical reasons and using pornography saves time.

    Over at 4aynrandfans.

    Apparently there is a following that considers themselves objective and they discuss things... ready, objectively.

    I laughed so hard at the pornography comment.  Beyond being funny, just to hear someone rationalize it by claiming it saves time.  That pretty much fits with the AR philosophy, at first thought, seems reasonable, but in reality, just ridiculous.

    I don't have enough Aspirin to venture any further.


    Dumb & Dumber (none / 0) (#35)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 01:57:54 PM EST
    Worst facebook post ever (none / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 12:00:05 PM EST
    There is a photo circulating on facebook of the guys who lost their lives shielding their female companions.  One guy writes under it, "There are a few of us left, but we are dying breed".

    Jesus Christ, pretty sure that the day you can't find people willing to sacrifice themselves for others in life or death situations will be the day planet earth explodes.  Also, pun much? pun horribly horribly wrong much?  OMG, hit delete now please.

    And then there's James Taranto (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 03:11:06 PM EST
    and his tweet...

    My first reaction... (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by unitron on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 02:32:39 AM EST
    ...is "what do you mean 'we', still-breathing guy?"

    If I were in that situation I might be heroic or I might freeze in panic, I don't know because I haven't been, but even if I could somehow magically know for certain in advance that I would do exactly as they did, I'd never try to bask in their reflected glory.


    A post on Facebook about heros (none / 0) (#32)
    by Slayersrezo on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 01:49:05 PM EST
    Seriously, a post comes up about the heros of the attack on the theater, and all you have to complain about is a "horrible pun"?

    And you call this the "Worst Post on Facebook ever"? Where have you been living - under a rock?


    I guess I hang out with a different (5.00 / 4) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 01:56:17 PM EST
    facebook crowd than you do :)

    I think you've already made it ... (5.00 / 6) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 02:06:55 PM EST
    ... abundantly clear that there's only room for one under your rock.

    Abortion Laws May Kill 16 Year Old Girl (none / 0) (#39)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 02:13:10 PM EST
    If you live somewhere that bans abortion, and you get pregnant, don't get cancer because chemo isn't good for a fetus and you may have to go without.

    If you enjoy listening to Rush, then ... (none / 0) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 02:16:06 PM EST
    ... you'd probably also enjoy one of these.


    Rush the band, or the sub-human? (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 03:44:07 PM EST
    I must know before I click!

    C'mon, take a chance! (none / 0) (#59)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 03:50:26 PM EST
    You know you want to ...



    yuck!!! But at least it was not the man himself. (none / 0) (#61)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 03:54:51 PM EST
    Yummy! (none / 0) (#62)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 03:57:07 PM EST
    I'm almost tempted to go back and have one...

    Might I then recommend ... (none / 0) (#73)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:04:15 PM EST
    ... a good cardiologist?

    Naw, I have all the Docs I can handle. (none / 0) (#96)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 10:55:52 PM EST
    Surprisingly, that's one of the few specialists that I don't have.  

    I could use some recommendations for our "luau" at work.  I don't think Poke or anything with raw fish would be a good idea.  Haupia sounds yummy, but probably out of skill set.  That leaves me with Spam or pineapple, which is undoubtedly what everyone else will be doing.  


    Can you get guava nectar concentrate? (none / 0) (#103)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 01:45:11 AM EST
    If you can, then you can bake a guava chiffon cake.

    (My younger daughter is the baker in the family, and she uses this recipe, which is orginally from the old King's Bakery on So. King Street in Honolulu.)

    And honestly, so what if it's not traditional "Native Hawaiian" food? As you freely admitted, your crowd isn't going to go for ahi poke or sashimi, so I don't think you're going to offend the gods with an offering of dessert.

    Have fun.


    Poor Mittens can't catch a break. (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 02:43:19 PM EST
    Even as Romney jets across the Atlantic to London in an effort to highlight whatever foreign policy credentials he's strying to claim, anonymous campaign advisors decide to stick their collective feet in the presumptive GOP nominee's mouth:

    The Daily Telegraph (London, UK) | July 25, 2012
    Mitt Romney would restore 'Anglo-Saxon' relations between Britain and America - "As the Republican presidential challenger accused Barack Obama of appeasing America's enemies in his first foreign policy speech of the US general election campaign, advisers told The Daily Telegraph that he would abandon Mr Obama's 'Left-wing' coolness towards London. In remarks that may prompt accusations of racial insensitivity, one suggested that Mr Romney was better placed to understand the depth of ties between the two countries than Mr Obama, whose father was from Africa. 'We are part of an Anglo-Saxon heritage, and he feels that the special relationship is special,' the adviser said of Mr Romney, adding: 'The White House didn't fully appreciate the shared history we have'."

    Touting the "anglo-saxon" heritage (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by DFLer on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 07:57:58 PM EST
    thing is likely to piss off more than people of color. WASPs don't do well with many American ethnic sub-cultures. I can think of people of Irisn descent fer shure...Jews...many many more.

    People of (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by Zorba on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 08:42:41 PM EST
    Southern European or Slavic descent aren't very likely to appreciate that, either.  Among others.

    Seems Like... (none / 0) (#47)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 02:57:13 PM EST
    ...the relationship with Britain isn't the one that needs work.  Maybe he can hit Afghanistan, Pakistan, China, North Korea, Syria, and Iran on the way back if he thinks he can provide some sort of Country's therapy.

    And who knew we were on the outs with Brittan ?


    Romney and his advisors, apparently. (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 03:30:02 PM EST
    But then, what do you expect from a candidate who denounces the Obama administration for alleged "leaks" on defense policy-related issues -- while he's being advised by Eric Edelman, former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy in the late Bush Administration?

    This is, of course, the same Eric Edelman who was implicated in then-Vice President Cheney's scheme back in 2003 to smear Ambassador Joseph Wilson by leaking the identity of his wife, then-covert CIA operative Valerie Plame, to the late conservative pundit Robert Novak.

    Like I said, Mittens can't catch a break, even from people who are ostensibly trying to help him get elected.


    But more to the point, it's ... (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 03:41:17 PM EST
    ... the Romney camp's none-too-subtle insinuation that a person of color / mixed race (Barack Obama) is somehow incapable of relating to the white experience, and thus can't be trusted to properly manage affairs between the United States and western Europe, which I find particularly disturbing.

    Of Course... (none / 0) (#66)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:35:34 PM EST
    ...when's the last time a campaign name dropped with Anglo-Saxon, it's so dumb, it's hard top even take seriously.  Seems to me they might be trying to suggest that is where Mitt's heritage lays, but did it in the worse possible way.

    There is no way they were trying to suggest a white guy will relate better other other white guys and in a way a black guy can't.  Even for them that is too much.


    But honestly, they're not talking to ... (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:01:09 PM EST
    ... folks like you and me, or to the paper's London readers. Rather, that dog whistle was clearly meant as an appeal to GOP voters of the lowest common denominator, because talk radio will pick up the line and run with it.

    LOL... (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 03:48:12 PM EST
    I don't think ya go to Pakistan to build special anglo-saxon relationships Scott.  

    Dude can't even handle or understand Obama's "different" America where people sing along to Al Green...he's gonna relate to Pakistan?

    Forget too shady to be president, Mitt is too sheltered to be president.


    and to think last week he was bragging about his (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:00:52 PM EST
    Mexican heritage. That did not last long, did it?

    Only long enough (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Mr Tuxedo on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 07:29:00 PM EST
    for him to say, "Yo soy Mitt Romney y yo apruebo este mensaje."

    Back at You... (none / 0) (#67)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:40:26 PM EST
    ...didn't realize Mitt was only into the Anglo-Saxon relationship mending business.

    Probably for the best, we can't him getting all nervous, looking like a deer in headlights, and checking his wallet every time he meets a non-Anglo leader.


    Or counting the ... (none / 0) (#76)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:08:44 PM EST
    ... White House silver after hosting a state dinner for one.

    Maybe we are (none / 0) (#68)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:41:25 PM EST
    And who knew we were on the outs with Brittan ?

    Because of the cheezy DVD's Obama gave the British Prime Minister and the iPod he gave the Queen as gifts on their official visits.



    Via Charlie Pierce (none / 0) (#65)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 04:30:17 PM EST
    Teddy Roosevelt begs to differ with Mitt's team.

    Why can't he say (none / 0) (#97)
    by observed on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 11:35:52 PM EST
    "Our non-Kenyan heritage". That would be more accurate to his intents, and more inclusive.

    Completely bizarre. (none / 0) (#101)
    by lilburro on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 12:50:00 AM EST
    I mean, really, there is no way to interpret that as not racist.  Which makes me wonder, what are they thinking?  Maybe McCain DID say something like this and I either forgot or wasn't paying attention, but this just seems like a level of callous openness you couldn't have gotten away with in 2008.  I mean, are you f*cking kidding?  Anglo-Saxon??  An especially odd argument to make if you are an adherent to Mormonism.  Not exactly Olde English stuff there.

    I suppose one of the fun ("fun") activities we will be able to engage in after the Presidential race is over is how our national discourse on race and the way it affected these campaigns changed from 2008 to 2012.  I sense a Romney's money here.  It's not as bad as the birth certificate deal (with the accompanying and sustaining winger paranoia), but at the same time, it is pretty terrible, in its own way.  The argument here is simply, he's not white, like us traditional rich people.  Less "redneck," more country club.  How lucky are we to see both play out!  Gah.


    America's scariest airports. (none / 0) (#70)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:40:05 PM EST
    I thought this slideshow from HuffPost was interesting. To their list, I'd add the following airports:

    Bob Hope Airport (Burbank, CA) - The swirling winds of the San Fernando Valley and Burbank's relatively short runways will often make airline pilots earn their keep. (Check out the passenger's comment in the background at 1:21 in this video.) And this is the same airport where in March 2000, a Southwest Airlines 737 arriving from Las Vegas overshot the Rwy. 8 threshold and landed too far down the runway, crashing through a retaining wall and careening onto busy Hollywood Way before coming to rest just outside a service station  -- since relocated, for obvious reasons.

    Kahului Airport (Maui, HI) - It is not uncommon for airliners on final approach toward Rwy. 22 to buck 50-70 mph headwinds, because the airport is sited in the central Maui plain between the 5,000 foot West Maui Mountains and 10,100 ft. Haleakala, which creates a funneling effect for brisk North Pacific wind currents. This, of course, can sometimes offer passengers a very bumpy ride on final approach.

    Juneau International Airport (Juneau, AK) - I think this video speaks for itself. Let's just say that if you trust your pilot's skills and instincts to navigate along Gastineau Channel between glacier-clad mountains and don't worry about it, you'll be treated to one of the most spectacular airport approaches in the United States.

    I flew out of John Wayne a couple of (none / 0) (#74)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:04:50 PM EST
    weeks ago for the first time in a few years. I had forgotten about that steep take-off. Glad to see it made the list - it does make your heart stop for a few seconds, but what a view!

    I've only flown into La Guardia once, and really enjoyed it. did not know I was supposed to be scared of all those tight turns that gave me a good view of the ball park!


    I once flew into LaGuardia during ... (none / 0) (#77)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:15:25 PM EST
    ... the U.S. Open at Flushing Meadows AND a Mets game at Shea Stadium, and we passed by both on final approach. That was a sight to behold, with both stadiums at capacity.

    John Wayne is my favorite airport in the US (none / 0) (#90)
    by Rupe on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 08:42:19 PM EST
    Small, quick, convenient living in Orange County, and a decent number of flights out.

    It is very nice - still! (none / 0) (#113)
    by ruffian on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 10:36:46 AM EST
    I was happy to see it was still so easy to use. I used to fly out of there regularly when I lived in OC.

    I've been to (none / 0) (#75)
    by Zorba on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:06:23 PM EST
    Chicago Midway, LaGuardia, and Reagan National.  I must admit, I didn't care for the sharp ascent at National, or the tight turns at LaGuardia, but I didn't notice much at Midway.  But then, I wasn't piloting the plane.   ;-)

    You were (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:25:38 PM EST
    taking off Runway 1 at National.  It is a normal takeoff, but at 400 feet you turn to intercept the 328 radial outbound to avoid the prohibited zone.  The climbing turn makes it seem different than other airports.

    The LaGuardia approach you are referring to is the Runway 31 freeway visual.  Citibank stadium is one of the checkpoints.  It is a tight turn.  About fifty percent of the time there is a crosswind, making it more challenging.


    Honolulu International also ... (none / 0) (#88)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 08:03:16 PM EST
    ... requires a tight climbing turn -- to starboard, though, and not port like DCA -- almost immediately after rotation off the runway, in order to avoid flying directly over the downtown financial district.

    Been to (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Zorba on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 08:36:33 PM EST
    Honolulu International, too, Donald, but I don't really remember the ascent for the flight home, except that I was really sad to be leaving Hawaii.

    Midway's not unlike Burbank, with ... (none / 0) (#78)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:19:29 PM EST
    ... its windy approaches toward short runways. And neither urban airport can expand properly without invoking eminent domain to acquire private property in the surrounding neighborhood.

    They also forgot (none / 0) (#84)
    by Mr Tuxedo on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 07:32:35 PM EST
    Reno-Tahoe International Airport: steep descents and steep climbs because of surrounding mountains.

    Midway ? (none / 0) (#118)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 12:33:48 PM EST
    I have used it many times, never noticed a thing and it's #3.  By scary, the must mean for the pilots.

    I would add Love Field in Dallas, it's a next to downtown and the first time I flew in no one told me we would fly so close to tall building I would be able to see the people working.

    And the scariest ever, Mexico City, because it's in a bowl, it's a roller coaster both ways.  Even the most experienced travelers are white knuckled.


    If you want a real thrill (none / 0) (#80)
    by NYShooter on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:34:13 PM EST
    Try taking off and/or landing at the St. Thomas airport. I did it once many years ago, and even though I was piloting a small Cessna 172 it was a hair raising experience. The strip is located at the bottom of an ancient volcano and the angle of ascent/descent gives you only one shot at it.......no go-arounds.

    I mention this because at the time I remember saying to my friends, "Wow, what does a large passenger jet do if the pilot isn't perfect in his calculations. I found out several weeks later when an American Airlines jet crashed into the side of the mountain, killing three dozen passengers.


    You should've flown into ... (none / 0) (#85)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 07:47:49 PM EST
    ... Tegulcigalpa Int'l Airport in Honduras, which my wife and I did back in 1997. Until they lengthened the main runway and blast-leveled the hill fronting it, landing there required a tight circling approach to short final that skirted the hillsides and would've tested the resolve and nerve of the most seasoned airline pilots. Check out this video, which was taken from that hill overlooking the airfield. That's scary, man!

    Of course, it's now (thankfully) long gone, but if it were still around, first prize for hair-raising airliner landings would have to belong to Hong Kong's old Kai Tak Int'l Airport, which was built alongside Kowloon Bay. It required a tight circling downleg approach, often in treacherous crosswinds, that skirted the hillsides before dropping down directly over downtown Kowloon on short final.


    No, thanks (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by NYShooter on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 09:52:37 PM EST
    I spent an evening a while back with you-tube trying to see if there were any airports equal to the one at St.Thomas, so I believe I saw the ones you pointed out. This is one of those things that, because they're all so freakin bad, I don't know how you pick a "worst" one. I don't know, and I don't want to find out, so, limiting to  personal experience, I'll stick with mine.

    But, now you've got my mind doing flashbacks to my youth. I think I mentioned here a while back that I had a short gig (when I was 20 something) ferrying Pipers from their factory in Kansas to their owners on the East coast. During that half year I made landings and takeoffs at hundreds of "airports" throughout the "heartland" of America. Now, if you restrict the experience to 4-seaters, a collage of landings at some of those dirt strips would make one helluva entertaining show.

    Iowa, nothing but a cornfield from border to border, is a good example. First of all, there are no "airports." As a matter of fact, there no air "strips" either. There are skinny patches of dirt that used a washboard for their template during "construction. There are no spots between the peeks long enough to land a plane, and no length to aerodynamically sustain flight. So, you have to dive at almost 90 degrees, and just before smashing into the ground, pull up 180 degrees causing the plane to stall, and hopefully the plane would settle down without too much structural damage. Add to that, the swath of a corn cutting machine is 35 feet, and the wingspan of a 172 (I also flew Cessnas) is 36 feet, that leaves you with a minus one foot leeway. And, just for jollies, add in 40 mph crosswinds, and you've got the makings of a real fun-time afternoon.

    Oh, did I mention that our breadbasket, flyover country is nothing but a grid of high voltage wires and towers?

    LOL, thanks a lot, Donald. I'll be cursing you out as I wake up soaked from a night full of nightmares!


    Cessna 172 has a place in my heart (none / 0) (#115)
    by ruffian on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 10:40:17 AM EST
    I worked on a research simulator for it many years ago.  Used to know the cockpit pretty well! Our sim did not have very exciting airports to fly out of though - just the I-40 corridor Amarillo, ABQ, OKC

    Yup, Cessna 172 (none / 0) (#117)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 11:19:11 AM EST
    "the plane that flys itself"

    I trained on a 172 also. Pretty neat, didn't you just love the "brrrrr" sound of the engine?



    Hooray, Mr. President! (none / 0) (#99)
    by oculus on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 12:40:46 AM EST
    Per LAT, Pres. Obama tentatively speaks out in support of gun control.

    Link: (none / 0) (#102)
    by oculus on Thu Jul 26, 2012 at 01:09:10 AM EST