Friday Morning Open Thread

Spain-Italy in the Euro2012 final Sunday. VAMOS ESPANA!!! Our banks are broker than yours!!!

Tour de France starts tomorrow. Wiggins the favorite. I took a flyer on Valverde at 33-1.

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    While hurrying out the door (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:50:28 PM EST
    yesterday morning, my favorite FOX TV fair and balanced talking head, announced that the ACA was struck down. I picked that up again from "Blitz" on CNN, so it must be important.  Has anyone heard anything more about that?   Thanks, in advance for your help.

    they both Got it Wrong... (none / 0) (#56)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:47:32 PM EST
    ...and the Prez was watching one, so for 40 seconds he thought it went down as well.

    Speaking of Reefer News... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:53:08 PM EST
    Snoop got busted.  Again.  This time Norway played the petty tyrant.

    I vote to make Snoop an official US diplomat, help him out when he's traveling overseas at least, so he only has to worry about domestic travel outside the jurisdiction of his California permission slip.

    Yeah... (none / 0) (#58)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:51:54 PM EST
    ...I want the really rich guy known for weed who hasn't figured out what the posse is actually for, being a diplomat.

    But I doubt he minds, just the cost of doing business.  It's not like anyone is going to toss him in jail and his future employers, himself, don't care about the rap sheet.


    Woo hoo (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:20:37 PM EST
    just call me the conservative slayer bayyybeeee. I have been having so much fun on facebook making Republicans and conservatives question what the heck they are doing and pointing out time after time that the GOP has been lying to them. They are really having an identity crisis right now.

    On this subject (none / 0) (#42)
    by Slayersrezo on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:31:41 PM EST
    I will not spoil your fun.
    The "appoint justices like Roberts" section on the Mittster's site is priceless.

    As is the fact that in some ways the SCOTUS just upheld "Rommneycare".

    Have fun.


    Is that still on his site? (none / 0) (#48)
    by nycstray on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:49:56 PM EST
    I would have thought it would have been etch-a-sketched by now :D

    Fight on! (none / 0) (#53)
    by ruffian on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:10:30 PM EST
    I just gave a glancing blow to the more conservative members of my family. Not up for a fight right now on the home front.

    One told me that socialism NEVER works (none / 0) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:52:51 PM EST
    I said gee, well unless you're Osama and then the most powerful most successful socialist subculture the earth has ever known so far gotcha.  She asked me what was socialist about the United States military, others "liked" her question, WTF do you do with that kind of pathetic understanding of the social sciences?  Can those who oppose becoming educated be educated?

    Short answer: (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by Zorba on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:10:01 PM EST

    Someone with a crushing (none / 0) (#76)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 05:07:26 PM EST
    intellect just put this up on facebook.  I tried reading it but it was painful.  The movie trailer for 'The Blob' kept playing in my head with all that stage screaming.  I think the gist of what it wants to say is OBAMA LIED!!!!!  Who could be sure though?

    Zorba is right. (none / 0) (#88)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:53:49 PM EST
    The answer, unfortunately, is "no."

    However, people who are that willfully uneducated also usually believe in the transcendent value of corporal punishment -- so please, MT, feel free to walk over to any one of them, and just start whacking the daylights out of him or her.




    Baa waa waa (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 05:28:40 PM EST
    I have told them that if the ACA is socialized government run health care then George W. Bush's pick for the Supreme Court just embraced it. The tried to blame the four that were voting for it but I said no, those alone would not be enough for it to survive. The CONSERVATIVE supreme justice is the one that decided to let it stand.

    You know how to do it (none / 0) (#80)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 05:56:04 PM EST
    If I said that to one of my Conservative friends they'd look like Cujo in 15 secs.  It's just upsetting to see them frothing like that all over themselves.  I have a soft heart :)

    You'll get Roberts impeached talking like that (none / 0) (#81)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 06:02:10 PM EST
    You could win the war.  I must learn how to do this and not give a shit if their head explodes before my very eyes.

    Or, you could just try ... (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:25:35 PM EST
    ... taking a more direct approach to exploding heads, and just do THIS.

    (Warning: Funny, but some might find it tasteless.)


    It isn't tasteless around here until it is (none / 0) (#99)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:37:06 PM EST
    soldier tasteless.  You're fine :)  I used to have more refined tastes, those have become broken due to what I suspect has been misuse.

    Some really pretentious Oregonian told me on Wednesday at a wine tasting that I don't know $hit about taste until she tells me that I do :)  Still can't make me like Chianti.  Chianti sucks, it sucky sucky sux.  It is the suckaliciousness of sucky.


    I couldn't drink chianti ... (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:13:47 PM EST
    ... after Hannibal Lecter told Clarisse Starling that he enjoyed eating someone's liver with fava beans and a glass of it.

    I have never liked it (none / 0) (#121)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 06:02:56 AM EST
    I didn't like the expensive Chianti last week.  It tasted like all the others in my past.  And you can try to then make me feel low of wine class by telling me that all the Chiantis in my past must have been low class and it still doesn't make last Wednesday's Chianti taste a bit better.  Chianti just tastes nasty to me.  Hannibal and I have often had divergent tastes though.  I will try not to bring some kind of cold fava bean salad to the next tasting in honor of the Chianti loving insulter :)

    Don't leave me hanging; (none / 0) (#125)
    by easilydistracted on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 11:51:33 AM EST
    how did you respond?

    I did what she suggested (none / 0) (#129)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 02:10:09 PM EST
    And I let it breathe.  I returned an hour later, and as she watched me carefully I sniffed, sipped, and said, "Yup, that's Chianti"

    I am out of favor :)

    I also like Chilean and Argentine wines.  I can't even explain to you exactly what it is that I smell and taste that is divine to me, it's just there. Weeks ago she curled her nose at me explaining to me that "those wines" are undisciplined and immature :)

    Darn, more for me :)


    I really love some of the Chilean wines. (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by Angel on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 02:16:01 PM EST
    But I'm into Spanish wines right now.  I'm not a huge fan of California wines but love a lot of the wines from Oregon and Washington State.  Of course, it's hard to beat European wines, for me at least.  My philosophy is drink what you like and to he11 with what anyone else thinks.

    As always (none / 0) (#132)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 02:21:36 PM EST
    I love everything that costs a fortune.  Isn't it absurd though that Super Tuscan is considered a lower class of wine by Italian wine labeling law and it goes for around a $100 a bottle? ..........Is Coo Coo

    I am just an ugly American capitalist :)


    Interesting... (5.00 / 2) (#133)
    by easilydistracted on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 03:18:44 PM EST
    undisciplined and immature

    Hmm. Never heard wine described along those lines. On the other hand -- Seems several of my female friends have said that about me on more than one occassion. Probably even followed by at least one curled nose.

    Oh yeah....and then we had a fight about French (none / 0) (#131)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 02:17:42 PM EST
    wines, which are really the only wines I know much about.  French laws concerning wine are very strict, and yes they have set a predictable standard that nobody in the world has attained yet.  But they have made anything new almost impossible to come from them and as science grows wouldn't wine also be likely to "grow".

    She says I'm wrong and that everyone wants to be the French, they don't have to do anything anymore.  I pointed out that French wine prices have gone through the floor.  She says that maybe they were overpriced to begin with.  Okay, but if you have to price your stuff some of the cheapest out there...does everyone really want to be you?  :)


    I hope the wine tasting was free (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by sj on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 03:48:41 PM EST
    with that kind of attitude.

    I didn't used to like Chianti but finally I can appreciate it with pizza.  Still not my first choice.  I like South American wines, too.

    But today, with summer's heat full on, I appreciate a cold beer even more.


    Truthfully (none / 0) (#111)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:41:41 PM EST
    all it takes is using reason. It's pretty forthright. So far no one has gone off the deep end on me. They back down when they're in a corner.

    Pick Out the Immigrant (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Dadler on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:35:39 PM EST
    Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez (D-IL) pitches his new game concept to the floor of the House (link).  Some creative chops exist in DC after all, very happy to see it, and I tip my cap to the good rep.  Too bad it's to a mostly empty room. Someone may have linked to this already, my apologies if so.

    OMG has it been hot here in MD... (5.00 / 4) (#103)
    by Anne on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:53:15 PM EST
    just take-your-breath-away hot and suffocatingly humid...

    And wouldn't you know, my older daughter and her husband settled on their new house yesterday, so are in the process of moving.  Today I met my daughter at the paint store - my god there are a lot of paint colors - and we picked out and bought paint for the living room, dining room and master bedroom.  Went to the new house, taped and painted - first coat - the living room.  Tomorrow morning will go back to finish the living room and get the rest of it done before the furniture arrives.

    Meanwhile, Sunday I will go with Daughter #2 and her fiance to look at a house, and Monday I go to the venue they've picked for their wedding reception next May, to sign the contract and - gulp! - put down a deposit.  We are very excited, though - it is just a gorgeous place.

    Oh, and Daughter #1 is pregnant and due in December!  So, new house, new baby for them and  new house and wedding for her sister...all good stuff, but could life be any crazier?

    And tomorrow is supposed to be hotter than today.

    You know it's hot when your glasses fog up when you walk outside!

    Ha (none / 0) (#104)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:19:00 PM EST
    Putting the deposits down huh?  Giving me the sweats.  I was fine then, it wasn't until later and my daughter got cold feet about 8 weeks out and said she wasn't getting married.  I hung up the phone....OMG all the money!  My husband snorted and said, "She's getting married.  She's just jacking with ya and herself."  She went bridezilla a couple of times too, and then I remembered that my husband went groomzilla a couple of times.  He has always understood her better than I ever did, they are the same, he is not her biological father though.

    The thing I remember from when my (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by Anne on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:35:04 PM EST
    older daughter got married is that in the beginning, the money makes you hyperventilate, but after you've written some big checks, it gets to the stage where you're saying, "oh, what's another $500? Sure, why not?"

    But it's been 5 years since the last wedding, so I am adjusting all over again, lol.

    Older daughter had her reception here - we did the whole tent thing - and it was lovely, and exactly what she wanted, but I have to say that there's some appeal in not having to coordinate all of that.  

    Next up - the caterer.  And a wedding dress, and we need to get my pregnant daughter to try on bridesmaid dresses before she can't fit into one...one thing at a time...and breathing, breathing - that's so important!


    Ha! Just went through that (5.00 / 3) (#112)
    by Towanda on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:11:14 PM EST
    with a friend, the mother of a bridezilla, last week.

    Finally, with what she was enduring, I promised to be the one to stop bridezilla in her tracks, if she pulled at the reception what she was pulling the week before, having meltdowns at the least little things.  Her mother said that it was to the point that she feared the hysterics "if a rose petal dropped from the bouquet on the way up the aisle."

    If so, I promised to leap up and yell, "omigod! a rose petal dropped!  CALL THE WHOLE THING OFF!"

    In return, she promises to be there for me a year from now, when I will be the mother of a bridezilla beyond all belief -- the daughter whose grandmother subscribed to Bride magazine for her when daughter was three.  For years, we have referred to the groom in her plans as "the unknown victim."  Now that the engagement is afoot, all that has changed is that we refer to him as "the known victim."


    My niece spent so much time and effort (5.00 / 3) (#115)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:15:13 PM EST
    planning her "perfect" wedding, she started doubting decisions she had made a year earlier.  But the wedding came off as a beautiful, under budget event.  Plus, her groom is a quite, stable, wonderful mate.  

    My oldes't son (5.00 / 3) (#118)
    by cpresley on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:49:21 PM EST
    Is getting married at the beginning of August. It was supposed to be in June, but she is from Sweden and the relatives could'nt make it in early June so it was changed to late June. The best friend could'nt make it from Germany in late June, so it now looks like early August. They want to get married in one of the State parks where we live,(either Big Basin, or Henry Cowle). I told  them they may need a permit even though it is a small wedding, and let me know at least 2 weeks in advance if it's going to be in my yard instead of the state park.

    Big piece on "All Things Considered" (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:51:34 PM EST
    recently about the "saving" of Cowle by a huge private party donation w/no request for naming rights.  Quite refreshing.  

    Son's wedding awaited Homeland Security (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by Towanda on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 05:06:29 PM EST
    clearance for the fiancee visa and other protracted paperwork for a year, with no warning of when the call finally would come -- overseas, where he waited with my future d-i-l -- for the interview, and then the followup approval, and the visa, and etcetera.

    So that one also was small-scale here.  When they landed, I had everything researched and ready, so we raced to the courthouse to file for the license.  The requisite week later, we had the ceremony in the backyard.  That was the official ceremony, here in the U.S. for the INS and to get her work visa paperwork going.  For her family, we had gone overseas for the unofficial ceremony,

    And then, after the official ceremony here, we could plan a reception a couple of months later.  All in all, the bride got three wearings of her gown on two sides of the world over three months, getting her money's worth!  And they have three anniversary celebrations every year since. . . .


    Sounds like a fun and exciting time for you all (none / 0) (#106)
    by ruffian on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:26:54 PM EST
    And I know how awful that humidity is. All the rain we had is now getting cooked up into a nice steam bath here too.

    If ya need a break . . . (none / 0) (#108)
    by nycstray on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:31:26 PM EST
    feel free to stop by my place on the west coast. 75 and sunny with a bay breeze. Average for the  summer around here. And yes, we will bitch if we get the slightest humidity, humidity the east coast would die for in the summer. :)

    Sounds like things are going great at your place though, so maybe I figure out a way to ship this weather to you?


    Oh, 75 and sunny sounds divine... (none / 0) (#110)
    by Anne on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:39:14 PM EST
    we had some of that earlier in the week, and I was so hoping it would last through the weekend, but, alas - was not to be...

    So, I will think cool thoughts, and pretend that when I walk outside and it feels like dog breath, that it isn't really that bad, lol...and I will light a candle for Willis Carrier, who had a lot to do with this wonderful thing we call air conditioning!


    I'll light a candle for Willis Carrier (none / 0) (#120)
    by nycstray on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 12:26:13 AM EST
    also. He saved my behind through many east coast summers! :) After 20yrs back there, I can't tell ya how happy I am to be back to Bay Area weather, especially in the summer. I was VERY careful about where I landed, as some areas around here get hot as all heck (minus the humidity).

    I spent the afternoon on my porch reading. I can't even tell you how lovely that was with the slight breeze. Hopefully your heat will give you a break very soon :)


    How did you make it through ... (none / 0) (#134)
    by sj on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 03:45:36 PM EST
    ... last night's crazy storm?  It brought the temperature way down from the forecast, but, holey moley.  I took Charles Street from Timonium to downtown a bit ago and traffic lights are randomly out.  Lots and lots of little branches on the sidewalks and streets and a fair amount of HUGE branches.  

    A friend of mine who lives in White Marsh was still out of power this afternoon.  Here we "just" had scary wind, lightening and pelting rain.  Rain just for a while though.  Mostly it was wind.


    We didn't really have that much of a (none / 0) (#136)
    by Anne on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 08:16:37 PM EST
    storm; lots of thunder and some rain, but no big winds, no damage, no loss of power.

    Not complaining, mind you; it cooled things off enough that this morning I could go out and pick the blueberries I'd been avoiding because it was so oppressively hot.

    And the sun being in for a big part of the afternoon was a godsend with my daughter's move today...we could actually sit outside and eat earlier without melting!


    Out here, (none / 0) (#137)
    by Zorba on Sun Jul 01, 2012 at 07:01:12 AM EST
    We had the most amazing displays of lightning I have ever seen.  Plus very heavy wind and heavy rain.  But no trees down, no homes damaged, and, amazingly, we did not lose electricity- 2 or 3 times it briefly flickered off and on.

    The storm was fearsome in Chicago (none / 0) (#140)
    by Towanda on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 05:09:51 PM EST
    where the derecho winds started before they swept east.  We weren't there, but I've since seen the  seen videos, and rarely do clouds stack so high, look so dark, and move so fast.  The temperature dropped from the high nineties to seventy in no time, too.  But little damage was done, compared to what hit in the East.  Family and friends there are sweltering, with no power for another week.

    My hopes for (none / 0) (#141)
    by Zorba on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 07:08:32 PM EST
    your friends and family that the power companies do a better job of restoring electricity to them than it looks like they will be able to do.  Really brutal here without air conditioning, or even a fan.
    I have friends without electricity, and others who have electricity but their county was on water restrictions until yesterday.

    Kudos for "General Verrilli": (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:19:21 PM EST

    So (none / 0) (#1)
    by jbindc on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:48:12 AM EST
    No "bath salts" were found in the system of of the man in Florida who chewed another man's face off.  No alcohol and no prescription drugs were found either.  The only thing found in his system?  Marijuana.

    Reefer Madness!!! The Sequel (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:50:28 AM EST
    Brought to you by Doritos (none / 0) (#3)
    by jbindc on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:51:17 AM EST
    And noses everywhere.

    Hey, I'm eating Doritos right now. (none / 0) (#25)
    by Angel on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:31:19 PM EST
    It's a common side effect... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:56:06 AM EST
    I was munching out hardcore on some dude's face last night after my daily dose of lambs bread...doesn't eveybody?

    The press has no shame...pushing the bath salt hysteria angle, now bringing poor maligned maryjane into it...instead of sticking to the facts we know, a deranged individual causes unknown.


    Kdog, it's always intriguing ... (none / 0) (#5)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:13:00 PM EST
    that when the use of illegal drops the media goes into overdrive promoting ... cough .... I mean warning of some new "hot" illegal drug.

    You'd almost think they were in cahoots with organized crime.  But, of course, that's crazy talk.

    Our media companies are pure as the driven snow.


    LOL... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:48:15 PM EST
    I'm reminded of this scene scene in "Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking your Juice in the Hood".  Yo pass that sh*t!

    "Danger! Danger!" reverse psychology advertising...I like your theory;)


    They'd probably claim (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:55:03 PM EST
    that they're being "responsible" by warning people..

    Even as they're not responsible for say, trying people in-the-media, and inundating us with a constant stream of the disturbing, lurid, and sensational..


    Kdog (none / 0) (#6)
    by Slayersrezo on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:18:26 PM EST
    I'm sorry to say, but I have to disagree.

    The guy was apparently sane the day -heck, hours before.

    I think its likely that MJ cut with something else caused this mess.

    Note, I said "cut" with something else. Our toxicology screens don't screen for every illegal drug or every "unknown" drug.

    So yes, I think this attack was mostly drug related. No, I don't think that was solely because of MJ. And yes, the press is doing its usual fearmongering and rush to conclusions.


    That's crazy talk... (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:39:59 PM EST
    I'll be the first to admit that my sacrament effects different people differently, but it will never make a sane man start eating faces unless he had severe mental problems out the gate.  Take that to the bank my friend.  

    Ted Bundy appeared quite sane when he wasn't off murdering sorority girls, charming even.  

    Besides, I read the toxiclogy report only showed traces of reefer, he coulda smoked a joint two weeks before the attack, two days, two hours.  If that's all it takes to prove "drug related", everything millions of people do everyday is "drug related".  Me doing my laundry is "drug related".


    I told you (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Slayersrezo on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:51:44 PM EST
    The toxicology report wouldn't find everything. I wasn't attacking maryjane, I favor legalizing it. But if you don't think there is a drug connection of some kind - then you have to assume that -for no reason at all- a man without a history of mental illness suddenly "flipped his lid", and decided faces taste "just like chicken!".

    I think... (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:55:56 PM EST
    undiagnosed mental illness is the most likely cause, if there is a cause at all.  Some people just snap...the human brain is a trip man.

    C'mon. He was on something. (none / 0) (#21)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:14:59 PM EST
    Toxicology... (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:19:53 PM EST
    came up empty dude, except for them traces of reefer.

    Are you saying he was on the new new new sh*t the toxicologists don't even know exists yet?

    Everybody Panic!!! ;)


    So-called "Bath Salts" are ... (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:35:00 PM EST
    just amphetamines.  They ARE NOT some magical new zombie drug.

    I'm with Kdog.  Looks like a psychotic break of some kind.  That's in keeping with his age and supposed lack of a history of mental illness.

    But the reporting on this story has been so horrendously bad that I don't believe anything it says about the man's history.  I doubt there was a concerted effort to find much out.

    They had their story:  Drug turns man into flesh eating zombie.  And they ran with that.  They weren't gonna let facts stand in their way.

    I know it frightens people.  And they want to believe otherwise.  But this is someone's brain on "human" not on drugs.  Strangely, we never suggest "bath salts" are the cause when our government officials engage in barbarism that dwarfs this man's acts.  In fact, we rarely even call it barbaric, favoring terms like "collateral damage" and "proportional response."  We are a crazy, crazy species.


    Your theory at work... (none / 0) (#47)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:46:11 PM EST
    I had little to no desire before, but now I kinda wanna try it just to show it doesn't make sane people (err, half sane people) start eating people.

    If PCP couldn't do it, nothing will;)  

    Actually there is one altered state that might cause cannibalism...starvation.  Did the M.E. check the digestive track for the last time the guy ate?


    Yup, and those ... (none / 0) (#64)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:06:21 PM EST
    claims about PCP have been largely discredited. As is true of most of the outlandish stories associated with controlled substances.

    Slay is correctamundo... (none / 0) (#28)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:36:26 PM EST
    I've heard from certain Miami compañieros that "they" don't have a true truth test for Bath Salts.  People who try it sometimes get real hot and take their clothes off.  Some act strange.  That guy was the only zombie...so far.  Wish I could provide a link but you don't wanna know these people.

    answer that fits the facts, not choose the answer you want and force the facts to fit it. Ya, he got some sh*t in him that the tox screens aren't set up to look for yet. Probably the same sh*t Mike Tyson had in him for the Holyfield bout. MT came up neg too!

    I don't know man... (none / 0) (#36)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:02:50 PM EST
    I think you guys are the ones stretchin' here...whats more likely, crazy new Chinese chemical concoction causes cannibalism in people of sound mind, or the dude just went nuts?

    Bath salts causing cannibalism sounds like desperately strecthing for answers to unspeakable behavior, to which there probably is no answer except the human mind is a very funny thing.  


    Hey now... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:22:31 PM EST
    Iron Mike spit out that ear, he didn't swallow! ;)

    Case in point of mental problems causing behavioral problems...drugs might play a  supporting role in crazy behavior, alcohol especially, but it doesn't cause it, imo.  The causes reside within.  

    I'd look to Mike's upbringing before I looked to his toxicology test for answers as to why the elevator wasn't going to the top floor there for awhile.  

    BTW, looks like Iron Mike is doing much better now, conquering demons and starring on Broadway.  Good to see.


    I blame the MJ. Dude had major munchies. (none / 0) (#49)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:55:09 PM EST
    I've got it... (none / 0) (#51)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:04:44 PM EST
    the barbaric sport of boxing is the cause, desensitized Mike to the point where biting off ears was only a matter of time.

    Ban Boxing!


    Tyson probably had the munchies too... (none / 0) (#52)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:08:02 PM EST
    That I could go along with.. (none / 0) (#54)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:38:06 PM EST
    juding by how many guys end up with a drool cup and depends when they're sixty. And don't even  remember being the champion of the world..



    What about legal drugs? (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:14:53 PM EST
    alot of people have odd, and even, in some cases, borderline psychotic reactions to some legal drugs..

    Weren't a high % of those school shooters in the 90s on "behavior meds"?

    Color me cynical all you want, but in cases like this, Big Pharm (if they have any culpability at all), and their enablers, go into ass-covering-and-deflecting overdrive.


    No, I Always Get the Hankering... (none / 0) (#62)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:01:16 PM EST
    ...for a babys blood smoothies and grilled virgins, fresh from the volcano, served with a side of fava beans.

    knowing how things tend to go (none / 0) (#30)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:42:54 PM EST
    in Florida, the state is probably the biggest bath salt manufacturer in the country..

    with it's own bath salt lobby..


    When I got my FullTilt poker money (none / 0) (#35)
    by Dadler on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:01:22 PM EST
    The checks came from a processor in...Utah.  The Book(eeping) of Mormon indeed. (And, anyway, I was just lucky as hell to get every penny I won off FT before Uncle Sam busted up the party.)

    Did they check his brain? (none / 0) (#39)
    by indy in sc on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:17:26 PM EST
    Or family history?  In the absence of a manufactured chemical explanation, I think the most likely explanation is a psychotic break.  The onset for Schizophrenia is usually in the 20s.  We will probably never know.

    The Radio said LDS & Weed Yesterday (none / 0) (#60)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:56:27 PM EST
    Not saying it accurate and of course no link.

    Now this is the same station that was discussing this when it happened and I swear, too many people called in serious about the zombie apocalypse.  Several have shelters.

    Now this isn't talk radio, it's a morning show, so take it for what it's worth, but it freaked me out a little.  I didn't get satire of joking from the people calling it.


    So, this guy ingested Mormons and (5.00 / 4) (#61)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:00:31 PM EST
    weed? :-)

    Or did you mean LSD?


    Too Funny... (none / 0) (#63)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:04:26 PM EST
    ...is there a difference between LDS Koolaid and LSD ?

    Yes, LSD.


    LSD has become a rare drug (none / 0) (#89)
    by Michael Masinter on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:59:43 PM EST
    The feds came closer to eliminating LSD than any other drug because 1) it is quite difficult to manufacture (serious chemistry, unlike meth), leading to 2) the evolution of a single two man  manufacturing base that supplied the entire U.S. and Europe who 3) in 2003 were busted with over 90 pounds (that's not a typo) of LSD.

    LSD has fallen so far off the radar that for the past five years DoJ has not reported on it in its annual assessment of drugs


    Eugene's previous rampage (none / 0) (#117)
    by SuzieTampa on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:36:34 PM EST
    No. 1, Eugene wasn't a cannibal. He didn't eat the flesh he tore off Poppo's face.

    Eugene had previous arrests, including trashing his mother's home and threatening to kill her. When I read that he studied the Bible and Koran intensely and had carried a Bible onto the causeway, I immediately suspected schizophrenia, as have others.

    Poppo, the homeless victim, had a history of mental illness and aggressive behavior.

    I wish we'd figure out a humane answer for poor and/or homeless people who are mentally ill.


    Former MyDD and OpenLeft blogger... (none / 0) (#7)
    by magster on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:25:07 PM EST
    ... http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/06/28/longtime-blogger-matt-stoller-to-regularly-appear-on-russell- brands-tv-show-on-fx-premiering-tonight/ on new Russel Brand TV show. Apparently Stoller made an impression with Brand and Brand's brother at the occupy protests.

    Hope the show takes off! Not the biggest Russel Brand fan, but he was good in Forgetting Sarah Marshall, and he was sweet to two little girls on the Ellen show, so ...

    rats... screwed up link... sorry (none / 0) (#8)
    by magster on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:27:13 PM EST
    Comment should read: Former MyDD and OpenLeft blogger Matt Stoller to be sidekick on new Russell Brand TV show. Apparently Stoller made an impression with Brand and Brand's brother at the occupy protests.
     Hope the show takes off! Not the biggest Russel Brand fan, but he was good in Forgetting Sarah Marshall, and he was sweet to two little girls on the Ellen show, so ...

    TomKat divorcing (none / 0) (#9)
    by jbindc on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:35:11 PM EST
    Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes are divorcing after 5 years of marriage.

    I don't know if I can make it through the rest of the day now.

    Seriously...? (none / 0) (#10)
    by magster on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:39:01 PM EST
    But he stood up on a couch on the Oprah show and everything.

    Has any psychologist studied the dynamics of Hollywood marriages because there must be a 95% divorce rate.


    I think it's because (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by jbindc on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:41:34 PM EST
    of the ACA ruling yesterday and Geroge Zimmerman's bond hearing today.

    They had just had enough.


    Those 2 things plus other people's gay... (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by magster on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 12:47:39 PM EST
    ... marriage has me contemplating the future of my marriage :(  If Hollywood hires me to be the next Jason Bourne in "He still doesn't know who he is: Jason Bourne Part 4" (I am pretty bad-as* so it's a possibility) I am leaving my wife for sure.

    I'm sure they were waiting ... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:38:49 PM EST
    for some big stories to show up to announce it, hoping it will largely go unnoticed.

    In other news, "The Telegraph" (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:16:03 PM EST
    reports that former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn and his wife of twenty years, Anne Sinclair,  have separated.  No reasons were given for the couples' 'au revoir.'

    CBS Early Show said that Strauss-Kahn's (none / 0) (#69)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:21:35 PM EST
    wife "kicked him out." Apparently, for Sinclair, enough was enough.

    The Cruises and now the Strauss-Kahns, (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:41:28 PM EST
    All so shocking.  Guess those Reverends are right after all, same sex marriages are destroying traditional marriage.

    But he's innocent, I tell you! (none / 0) (#102)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:41:55 PM EST
    It's all a big frame-up! All these women, they're just in it for the money!

    (Sigh!) Only in the world of high rollers could a total pig like DSK be considered a "stud" and a "ladies' man" ...


    Especially when one of them ... (none / 0) (#100)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:38:56 PM EST
    ... is maybe a closeted gay person?

    Like Like (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:16:49 PM EST
    like your snark!!!

    Balotelli!! (none / 0) (#19)
    by lilburro on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:13:50 PM EST
    I just hope the final isn't boring as hell.  I wanted Germany to win, but now I'll root for Italy, I like Balotelli's style and attitude.

    How 'bout the.... (none / 0) (#20)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:14:57 PM EST
    Univ. of Texas showing DHS how easy it is to hack one of their expensive unmanned toys?

    Gives me hope for the future, god save the hackers.

    as long as they're (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:39:22 PM EST
    goodhearted hackers..

    As Bob Zimmerman said, if you're gonna live outside the law, you have to be honest.


    Dude... (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:57:44 PM EST
    if I wasn't a quasi-luddite computer illiterate with a chain and cage phobia I would have a field day re-routing drones to Dick Cheney's crib in Wyoming, down to Wall St., DEA headquarters...the sky's the limit to the fun one could have.

    that alien larvae (none / 0) (#57)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:48:58 PM EST
    thats been incubating in Cheney's chest cavity is due to shed it's egg case and burst through any day now. So, you don't have to worry about him.

    I'm going to see Magic Mike with my girlfriends (none / 0) (#26)
    by Angel on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:34:08 PM EST
    tonight.  Does that make me a shallow person?

    No (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:36:23 PM EST
    it makes a normal person judging by my friends on facebook. Heck they want it in 3D.

    I'll give my review next week. :} (none / 0) (#32)
    by Angel on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:49:13 PM EST
    Enjoy "Magic Mike" (none / 0) (#73)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:56:15 PM EST
    and just tell any naysayers that down deep, you are not shallow--you read the book and just want to see the film version.  Or, as a fan of CSI-Miami, you just want to see Adam Rodriquez on the big silver screen:)

    Nope, it just makes me a jealous person (none / 0) (#72)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:45:03 PM EST
    I'm part of a wine tasting group, and one of us is in a fairly new relationship and she was told that if she went with us when we go he was going to "named local strip club".  It made us dissolve into giggles because when a girl reaches a certain stage of adultness we will be going to see exactly what we want to go see, and try not to let the young things slough every last nickel you own off of ya silly boy of threats!

    Good call on Valverde (none / 0) (#34)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:57:41 PM EST
    BTD...I love the Spanish Armada and Rafa can watch the race unless he goes home to Majorca to sulk.  Can't wait for the beautiful helicopter shots.  I love the jousters all dressed out on horseback by the castles.  Then the devil cross dressers running along inches from the peloton...it's all good.

    If "Vamos Espana" means (none / 0) (#41)
    by brodie on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:31:00 PM EST
    something like "Go Spain!", then I'm with you.  But they weren't very impressive in their last outing, a real snoozer that went to PKs.  They seemed dangerously overconfident throughout.

    Nothing major against Italia, and I long ago forgave them for Mussolini.  However I've never been able to adjust to watching their homegrown movies where they dub the voices later, if they still do that.  Very annoying.  Thus the number of native Italian films I've seen over the years I can count on one hand.  But at least "Roman Holiday" I count in Italy's favor, sorta.

    I rediscovered my inner Italian (none / 0) (#43)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:34:51 PM EST
    when Paolo Rossi and Co took apart West Germany in 82..

    That was a team that "rose to the occasion", as they say..


    That's a little before (none / 0) (#55)
    by brodie on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:42:09 PM EST
    I picked up the World Cup viewing habit, which may have started as late as 1994.  I have no conscious memory of watching any WC tournament prior to that.  Not even sure if Espn was covering the tournament back then. If memory serves, before a couple decades ago the only place to watch the WC was on Spanish language tv and if prior to cable, only if you were in a major city and your tv got decent UHF reception.

    So other than Pele, my knowledge of great soccer players from yesteryear is very limited.


    "The good old days" (none / 0) (#67)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:16:27 PM EST
    when a lot of teams would actually try hard to score AGAIN after going up by a goal..

    The Game in '82 WC was the Italy-Brazil semi-final; truely a game for the ages, especially for those who say soccer's boring..

    Of course, these days it too often is.


    Olympic track and field qualifying (none / 0) (#68)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:19:48 PM EST
    events are taking place just down I-5 from me. And last night Galen Rupp, in an amazing last second push, beat Bernard Lagat in the 5,000m. This was Rupp's first win over Lagat in 15 races.

    That final burst that pushed Galen ahead of Lagat resulted in Rupp's breaking Steve Prefontaine's 40 year record in this event. It was pretty sweet. An Oregon kid, Rupp, who attended the U of Oregon, broke the record of another Oregon kid, Pre, who also attended Oregon.

    Earlier this week Rupp won the 10,000m. He is the first runner to win both the 5,000 and the 10,000 since Curtis Stone back in 1952.

    Way to go, Galen.

    Casey, are you close to Bend? (none / 0) (#96)
    by ruffian on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:33:43 PM EST
    I will be in that area for a few days after the 4th. Got plans with a visit to SunRiver with some friends coming up from Cali, and my brother is coming over from Corvallis. I do have tuesday afternoon/evening in Portland too. Let me know if you feel like hanging out with some crazy Cub fans!

    Ruffian, I am in the city of Portland. (none / 0) (#124)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 11:47:56 AM EST
    So, the Cascade Mountain Range is between me and Bend. :-)

    Sadly, I already have plans for Tuesday that I can't get out of at this late date. :-(

    Too bad because I do need more crazy Cubs fans in my life. It can be so isolating out here on the left coast, you know, baseball allegiance wise. Most folks here are either Mariners fans (sad, sad people), or Giants fans.  

    If you get back to Oregon, please let me know. I'll take you to a local brew pub where we can drown our Cubs-fans-in-exile sorrows in some delicious brewskis.


    Follow up re former Cub Mark Prior: (none / 0) (#128)
    by oculus on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 12:19:42 PM EST
    Full PJ Harvey show from Coachella 2011 (none / 0) (#70)
    by Dadler on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:24:09 PM EST
    At the 15:40 mark... (none / 0) (#74)
    by Dadler on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:56:28 PM EST
    ...comes a great performance of "The Last Living Rose," a beautiful and all too brief tune.

    Gotta love a song that starts with the lyrics... (none / 0) (#75)
    by Dadler on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 05:06:03 PM EST
    "Goddamn Europeans!
    Take me back to beautiful England
    And the grey damp filthiness of ages..."  

    Another great performance of it (none / 0) (#77)
    by Dadler on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 05:19:32 PM EST
    Okay, all you IT experts (none / 0) (#79)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 05:36:40 PM EST
    I'm thinking about dropping AOL and MSINE... Recommendations??

    Google Chrome??


    Hard to say (none / 0) (#82)
    by sj on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:00:40 PM EST
    I try to keep Google out of my life as much as possible, which is to say, not that much.  And I've used Firefox for years but I had to go back to version 9 because it didn't properly deal with attributes when commenting on TalkLeft.  And I love me some italics...

    So I've got nothing to recommend, exactly, except to recommend against.  


    How the heck can you (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:49:47 PM EST
    comment here if google ain't your friend?

    duckduckgo (none / 0) (#123)
    by sj on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 10:58:04 AM EST
    Although sometimes Google is unavoidable.

    I'm IT notta (none / 0) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:12:46 PM EST
    But I switched to Firefox and my puter likes it and me much more.  I had a few problems doing Netroots Radio the other day, but my Toshiba has software compatibility issues at times and I had just uploaded a new version of Skype.  It stayed up for quite awhile though before it bit it and I had to restart it twice and upload a few Toshiba items that it called for.

    I have used use Firefox at work (none / 0) (#91)
    by ruffian on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:27:08 PM EST
    for years and have liked it. But I agree with what someone else said that the buttons on the comment form here don't always work. Had to learn to use the bracket method of putting in links, for example. Still better than Explorer.  Have started using Chrome a little at home, and something about it seems off to me. I have not embraced it.

    That's odd (none / 0) (#116)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:18:05 PM EST
    I've been using Firefox for years and never had a problem with this site or any other. (I do all updates very obediently.)

    I think I finally attributed it to the firewall at (none / 0) (#122)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 06:49:44 AM EST
    Work somehow blocking the window the link button is trying to open. I  normally use safari at home, but I think I have occasionally used Firefox at home to test that theory and it seems to pan out.

    Ah! That makes sense (none / 0) (#142)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:19:50 PM EST
    Firfox also does block opening additional windows if you ask it to, but I do have mine set that way, and it's never tripped over TL.  I have only a couple of sites I visit where I have to tell Firefox it's OK to allow the "redirect," and TL isn't one of them.

    But different firewalls can create all kinds of hard-to-pinpoint problems.


    I'm a big fan of Chrome (none / 0) (#127)
    by Rupe on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 12:14:22 PM EST
    Been using it for years, I never really took to Firefox and Chrome is faster than either Firefox or IE.  Never liked Safari either, Chrome is just very slick, has some cool features like instead of having a homepage (if you want) you can have your 8 most viewed websites.  A lot easier than bookmarks or typing.

    Banks Schmanks (none / 0) (#84)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:26:43 PM EST
    Futbol will go on, it always has and it always will.  Banks are not people, people are people, and people are futbol.

    Four years ago today (none / 0) (#85)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:31:33 PM EST
    Under George Bush, the average price of a gallon of gas was $4.07.  Today under Obama the average price of a gallon of gas is $3.38........

    That's over. Fill up your tanks fast (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by Towanda on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:14:39 PM EST
    as we are warned by our local media.  Price of crude oil is soaring, so prices at the pump could go up this weekend.  Way up.  Just in time for, of course, the holiday travelers on the Fourth. . . .

    I paid 3.18 today! (none / 0) (#93)
    by ruffian on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:29:15 PM EST
    I think the European economy has more to do with it than Obama, but I did not bash him when the price was high either.

    Hmmm. FL does have some advantages. (none / 0) (#95)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:32:50 PM EST
    No income tax.  Low gasoline prices.  What else?  Beautiful beaches.  Alligators.  Key West.  

    How could I have forgotten the beloved (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:34:18 PM EST

    I think you hit the highlights (none / 0) (#98)
    by ruffian on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:36:05 PM EST
    Oh - water fowl! Very pretty, and the Everglades are neat.

    ha ha...but the fruit of the lemon is impossible to eat?


    Bad ruffian BAD! (none / 0) (#101)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:41:16 PM EST
    Obama the Gas God did this!

    He finally chose to press his loving omnipotence  against our lives.

    Still sitting here waiting for Jim...threw that bait on the hook way out there (Gas God and all that)


    You a bad bad girl! :D (none / 0) (#107)
    by nycstray on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:27:52 PM EST
    although my mom commented on Wed when we passed a station about the 3.75 price. We both thought it should be higher, summer holiday coming up and all, lol!~

    $2.93 a gallon (none / 0) (#126)
    by easilydistracted on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 12:04:06 PM EST
    in some areas of the DFW metroplex.

    Now the trick is (none / 0) (#138)
    by jbindc on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 07:36:47 AM EST
    Can they be at the $1.72 by election day as they were 4 years ago...?

    Will he whom I will (none / 0) (#86)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:47:46 PM EST
    Not ID be spending this holiday weekend in pre trial detention?


    I don't pretend to understand the (none / 0) (#92)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:27:22 PM EST
    machinations of judges and judging, but when I read about the bail being revoked that judge seemed more than just a little bit pi$$ed.

    lol..dare I turn on the TV? (none / 0) (#94)
    by ruffian on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:30:10 PM EST