Saturday News and Open Thread

The New York Times reports on what a Supreme Court defeat of the Affordable Care Act may mean for Obama.

Paul Krugman on the problems with prison privatization.

Dick Cheney is delighted over daughter Mary's marriage to her partner Heather.

Mexico goofs in drug arrest. It parades a 24 year old in front of the cameras, proclaiming to the word he was Chapo Guzman's son. Turns out, he was an innocent car salesman with no connection to Guzman.

BTD -Spain-France at 2:45. Must see at the Euros. Also too, Yanks to avenge loss to Mets yesterday. Let's go SPAIN! Let's go Yanks!

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    So I bought (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by DebFrmHell on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 03:03:56 PM EST
    a new vacuum cleaner this morning and I swear to you I have another dog in the dust bin!  I must have had two identical twins because my dog ain't at all nekkid yet!

    It also explains why food disappears from the dish so quickly!

    She's a pig in a dog suit.  

    My girl, Cricket

    If she is a "pig" (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by christinep on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 03:15:03 PM EST
    ...she is an adorable one at that.

    She is by far... (5.00 / 4) (#13)
    by DebFrmHell on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 03:48:04 PM EST
    the most destructive dog I have ever had.  A week or two after I got her I broke my toes and couldn't work.  We just camped on the couch and watched TV for weeks on end.  And then, I got better!  She gets separation anxiety when I leave her for work. So if she can get it outside it is shredded before I get home.  

    And she likes to shred things that are not easily replaced on my budget.  Hundreds of dollars worth of stuff.  Rugs, pillows off of the couch, blankets, a whole load of whites, one piece at time, anything plastic or wood...and the list is a lot bigger!

    Example of one days worth

    What the heck!  She is a happy dog.  She loves me.  I love her.  At the end of the day, we always have each other, warts an all.

    What is not to love about that!?

    Sorry to show pictures.  I am trying to learn how to link up stuff all fancy like you all do!  

    It is taking me easily 10+ tries and previews to get it right.  Even the site glowed red and told me I might be posting multiple times!  Wrong Formatting!  
    Me = Lo_Opy

    I opened another page just to make sure there were a dozen posts of The Dog!


    A friend (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 04:14:54 PM EST
    of mine had the same problem with her dog. The dog was eating up everything and they took her to a dog psychiatrist and the doc told her to get another dog. Said the dog was "acting out" because it was lonely.

    I had a lab one time. The amount of hair was just unbelievable. I could never do that breed again unless I lived in Montana on lots of acreage.


    I did try getting a second dog... (none / 0) (#19)
    by DebFrmHell on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 04:54:19 PM EST
    Nice dog but smallish.  And it would sneak up an snuggle into my very long hair while I was asleep.  I hated that...  Cricket gets on the bed upon invitation, nuzzles my ear once and goes to my feet for sleeping.

    Instead of wearing each other out, that dog happily joined in on the action!  Cricket's middle name is "Bad Influence!"  Paco lasted but a week and then that "house pest" went back from whence he came.  LOL! One is enough, IMO.  Well, I guess I could have just moved and let them have the house....

    Anne, however do you keep up with two of them? If you have one black and one yellow does a beige carpet change color that much?  (TeeHee) I even keep two filters on the Central AC unit.  One at the air intake and the regular one that attaches to the unit.  

    It doesn't help that we are in near drought conditions again. Dust is everywhere too!

    Enough chat for the day.  I must go off to work!


    Deb, we have two Labs, one black and one (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by Anne on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 03:28:36 PM EST
    yellow, and during the worst of the shedding seasons - and there is definitely more than one - I swear I vacuum up enough dog hair to make a couple of new dogs...for years we used a shedding blade on them after seeing how well they worked on horses, and now we've started using "The Furminator," which works really well.  I have even been known to use the vacuum on them if I can sneak up on them when they're doing what Labs do best: napping.  I almost always end up asking how these dogs could possibly have any fur left, and yet - they do!

    Oh, well - dogs are gonna shed, so the only thing you can do is try to stay ahead of it as much as you can.


    I had the same (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 04:16:25 PM EST
    experience with labs and hair. Where the heck does it all come from and then the worst thing is that it floats so you get dog hair everywhere!

    She is precious, just precious! (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Angel on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 05:38:49 PM EST
    I cannot imagine life without pets.

    Switching gears here, (none / 0) (#24)
    by sj on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 06:53:18 PM EST
    what's happening to the ratings you're assigning?

    Not sure what you're asking exactly! (none / 0) (#25)
    by Angel on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 07:03:08 PM EST
    Give me a clue, please.

    I noticed that one of my comments (none / 0) (#36)
    by sj on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 11:37:42 PM EST
    had a rating of 5.00/0 and it looked a little weird.  I thought (though I could be wrong) that you were the one that had uprated it.  Because this has happened once before (that I know of), I took a look to see what comments you had rated, and the only ratings you have showing are the ones you made today.  

    Does that makes sense?  The wording is a little convoluted.


    Ah, I see what you're talking about but I can't (none / 0) (#47)
    by Angel on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:11:21 AM EST
    explain the 5.00/0.  It appears Jeralyn deleted my ratings, I must have run afoul of the rules.

    I hadn't heard of deleting (none / 0) (#105)
    by sj on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 06:44:57 PM EST
    ratings.  Unless someone was really foul -- which you are not.  And in that case pretty much everything is gone.  Anyway, I was just wondering.  Maybe it was some kind of glitch?

    Cricket is cute :) (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 01:50:42 AM EST
    I have a Dal, sheds 24/7/365/with a couple of heavier sheds thrown in. I swear they only shed their white fur, unless I have white sheets on the bed, then it's the black fur :)

    My cats are all of the black and white fur varieties, so at least we have some coordination here!


    Is that Roxy? (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by DebFrmHell on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 10:25:50 AM EST
    Your 11 mo old pup?  I was admiring the picture with the shoe in her mouth.  The joy on her face!  I am a sucker for a happy dog.  She is beautiful and so colorfully marked.  She is her own four-legged ticker tape parade!

    She was the inspiration of trying to post a picture of Cricket.


    Thanks! Yup, that's my Roxy! . . . (none / 0) (#147)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 11:32:17 PM EST
    Joy is an understatement, lol!~

    I'm glad you were inspired to post a pic of Cricket. Cute name btw!


    While I feel empathy (none / 0) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 03:58:46 PM EST
    German shepherds blowing coat (which they are right now) is insane.  Not husky insane, but if I had a husky I'd get the clippers out about now and shave that down.

    My chow (none / 0) (#20)
    by sj on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 05:10:50 PM EST
    blows her coat twice a year.  Insane shedding.  Can't clip her though.  I asked her if she would mind and received emphatic yes.  Apparently she's proud of her coat.  Her skin is cool under all that fur, though, even on very hot days.  

    At least she's a good girl when I give her a bath.  Which is a long arduous process.  There is a reason why groomers charge $80 - $100 for the service.


    I saw this an thought of you... (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by DebFrmHell on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 10:11:02 AM EST
    Best Dressed Dog

    My mind knows this breed but it is not speaking to me right now.

    I thought of the Chow saying..."ummm.  You want me to wear that?  I do not wear suspenders!"  I love Chows.  They are so expressive.  I swear you can see their disdain if the treat offering is not up to standard.  


    I can't decide if that is amusing or abusing. (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Angel on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:13:17 PM EST
    My first instinct was to laugh at the suspenders and then I thought to myself, hmmm...what does HE think about them?  

    I think... (none / 0) (#126)
    by DebFrmHell on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 10:26:32 PM EST
    that it is kind of amusing in an "American Gothic" kind of way.  Pooch still has dignity!  He just needs a pitchfork!  

    @SJ, do you remember the Shiba Inu Six from UStream?  I swear I followed them at least every other day.  They were so freaking adorable. Then they started going to new homes...  I got empty nest syndrome!

    The fur looks right for that breed.  If you shave down your dog, do you have to put sun screen on them?  His bare shoulders would prevent him from licking it off.  

    I tried Vitamin E on my dog when she had such dry skin.  What a disaster that was.  I OD'd the dog.  She was a queasy mess for hours...


    I'd never heard of the Shiba Inu Six (none / 0) (#133)
    by sj on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 09:47:26 AM EST
    I just googled them.  That had to have been terminally cute.  

    As to sunscreen, yes, a dog with skin exposed definitely needs it.  I don't know what those owners were thinking, really.  That is a lot of exposed skin for no good reason-- just for their amusement.


    Shiba inu, maybe? (none / 0) (#106)
    by sj on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 06:55:56 PM EST
    Although, he looks a little big for a shiba.

    Yeah, my girl would be most annoyed at the suspenders, LOL.  And agree on the expressiveness.  She's not really treat motivated, her thing is squeaky toys.  Which is kind of problem because she really likes to play keep away with them.  She'll dangle it in front of me and shake it to entice me.  And, undisciplined being that I am, we end up playing instead of training.

    When she does want treats she isn't into hoity-toity health food at all.  "Give me milk bones!"  


    You do Chow? (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 12:20:58 AM EST
    Yeah, you got me beat

    Maybe, but then (none / 0) (#107)
    by sj on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 06:56:39 PM EST
    I only have groom one dog :)

    ::sigh:: (none / 0) (#109)
    by sj on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:12:00 PM EST
    Apparently I need to use preview even on short comments.  A missing word here, the wrong letter there...

    I meant "I only have to groom one dog".

    Gonna preview now.  

    Good thing I did, too.  I had a wrong letter.  


    We know what you meant. :) (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Angel on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:14:06 PM EST
    I always think faster than I type (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 08:09:30 AM EST
    and I betray many prepositions, just leave them out :)

    My husband was playing with one of our GSD in the front yard this weekend and he pulled some more of her shedding off of her britches with his hands.  And he left it all on the front sidewalk.  Looked like something fought for its life out there.

    Delilah the poodle has her more mature coat now.  I get a lot of hair off of her too, but different technique.  As my grooming technique improves it looks like a sheep fleece coming off of her.  The last time I groomed her I felt like I now had a duty to make a sweater.


    A sweater or (5.00 / 2) (#134)
    by sj on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 09:53:00 AM EST
    some other keepsake.

    Love the little ribbon weave scarf. (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by Angel on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 10:17:54 AM EST
    Watched the documentary (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 04:23:25 PM EST
    'The Other F Word'.  Great documentary!  I never got into punk that much, but super soldier did.  He has a pretty cool sweatshirt that he lived in with his spray painted anarchy symbol on it.  He gave it to our daughter first.  She cherished it but never wore it.  It is in Josh's dresser now.  At his high school reunion his photo sports a bleached mohawk.  If I had known him in high school zero chance he'd be my spouse now.

    Much of the anger that bands poured out had to do with the abandonment they all survived though.  As adults they can talk about using more words.  And now they are someone's parent, someone's father, and they are doing everything different.  Really cool documentary.  Some of them seem just a tiny bit regretful of all that anger, I wish they wouldn't be.  I might not have been a big fan, but I heard what they had to say.  And there have been a few bad days on the road dealing with insurance denials for Joshua when only one of their songs from my own days of youth could cleanse my soul enough to carry on.

    Anyone who's interested in the Moyers (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by Anne on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 04:46:42 PM EST
    show with Matt Taibbi and Yves Smith, Glenn has the clip of their appearance on his blog.  Here's a link to the clip.

    Just starting to watch it now.

    When (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by lentinel on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 07:41:56 PM EST
    I see two people with brains talking, I just wonder why we can't have people in government with that kind of intelligence.

    I know, right? (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by sj on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 11:40:52 PM EST
    I can follow what they're saying without trying to shake the rocks out of my head.

    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by lentinel on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 06:04:46 AM EST

    What imagery!


    Me too (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by NYShooter on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 01:53:56 AM EST
    "I just wonder why we can't have people in government with that kind of intelligence."

    Oh, there are plenty of intelligent people in government. Some of them have even mastered the art of alchemy. They go in as $9/hr. deli clerks, and come out as $3,000,000/yr. lobbyist trainees. Pretty intelligent, no?

    It's not their intelligence I look for, it's whether they own a heart & soul.

    p.s. I know that's what you were saying, lentinel, I was just fooling around.


    I totally (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by lentinel on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 06:02:20 AM EST

    Intelligence unconnected to heart equals a kind of fog.


    We did. (none / 0) (#115)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:34:57 PM EST
    In case you forgot, the show's host happened to be President Lyndon Johnson's press secretary during the time of military escalation in Vietnam.

    "We did" (none / 0) (#135)
    by sj on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 09:54:50 AM EST
    That's past tense.  I'd be happier if you could come up with an example in present tense.

    Wow (none / 0) (#22)
    by sj on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 05:42:26 PM EST
    Those two are so articulate.

    That the "mandate" of the (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 06:49:21 PM EST
    Affordable Health Care Act has drawn fire from the right wing has been a curiosity for me.  True, it would run against the "don't tell me what to do" ideology, but, it also addresses their claim for individual responsibility and getting at all those slackers who, unless and until heath care was needed, would avoid buying insurance.  

    Numerically, the mandate would probably not affect that many.   And, the mandate fines/penalties would be difficult to enforce. From my perspective the mandate is not essential to the Act, as incentives, enrollment periods with discounts or other positive approaches are likely to be as effective.

    Hence, the mandate may be a stalking horse for a less known and  a more dreaded aspect of the Act-new Medicare support taxes that affect high rollers.   Firstly, the additional 0.9 percent levied on wages above $250,000, and secondly, the flat tax of 3.8 percent on investment income, with a modified adjusted gross income threshold of $250,000 family/$200,000 single.  While pension, social security, IRA/annuities are not taxed, they may contribute to your threshold.  But, investment income would include real estate.

     Moreover, with this new Medicare support, it seems odd that efforts continue to cut benefits, including change of age of eligibility, and "means testing" for premiums.  But, it may explain the Ryan coupon plan a little better.

    Exactly, and I think that is what the SCOTUS (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:09:15 AM EST
    is grappling with. I don't see how the ACA can work without the mandate. If they take it away we have to start over. I am all for starting over in principal, if I thought there was a chance in he** of something better coming out of Congress in the foreseeable future, but unfortunately there is not.

    Where this is killing it though (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 01:38:59 PM EST
    Is the increase in premiums already.  There are no cost controls.  Our friends on BCBS want ACA overturned because of what has happened to their premiums and their deductibles.  A young adult we know here without insurance or a job had to go to the emergency room two months ago too.  You can't get blood from turnips though.  The first bill arrived in about 10 days and it was for $3500.  In the past 8 weeks as he has not paid them anything and has not called them either because there is nothing to say.  There is no money to give them, the bill has magically fallen to $500.  It is really broken out there and it seems to me fees for the hospitals is just a game now of how much they can get out of people.  It is a sad broken system all the way around.

    I had a bill for some treatment (5.00 / 3) (#80)
    by Rupe on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 01:57:53 PM EST
    that was around $1900, I didn't pay it for two months and it dropped down to $350 without my input, so it really does seem like they'll charge you an amount, see if you pay it, then try to salvage something by slashing the principle dramatically.

    Mandates would be easy (none / 0) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 11:25:30 PM EST
    Just attach Mandate 1234 provided by your insurance company to your 1040 or pay a fine.

    And isn't the IRS hiring thousands of new agents??


    The issue, as I noted, was (none / 0) (#60)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 11:16:30 AM EST
    not the collection of the mandate penalty/tax, but its enforcement.  It is true that the mandate is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Code, and collection is relatively simple--using the 1040 like other taxes.  But what if you fail to pay the penalty?  What is the penalty for not paying the penalty?  The Act explicitly says there will be no criminal prosecution for not paying the penalty, so there would be no prosecution, or threat of same, for tax evasion.  

    Of course, the IRS could come after your tax refund, but if there is no refund due that option is not available.  Indeed, Chief Justice Roberts said on the first day of oral arguments regarding the mandate as a tax or penalty, "whether you want to call it a penalty or tax just doesn't seem to make sense...what happens if you don't file the mandate on your tax return?  And the answer is nothing." We will soon know more about this including, apparently, the metaphysics of broccoli.


    Of course that is what it says now (none / 0) (#65)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 12:28:24 PM EST
    The Act explicitly says there will be no criminal prosecution

    BTW - There's a bridge in Brooklyn that I have for sale....



    If this was true (none / 0) (#54)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:12:37 AM EST
    From my perspective the mandate is not essential to the Act, as incentives, enrollment periods with discounts or other positive approaches are likely to be as effective.

    Why wouldn't insurance companies have already tried these things to get the customers? They have more incentive than anyone else to get that premium money, especially form young people who don't use health care as much.


    Let's hope that the SC (none / 0) (#55)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 09:25:51 AM EST
    dumps Obamacare and we can get a true single payer plan based on the Medicare model. It's the only one that will dump the insurance companies and be truly fair....and effective.

    You can (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 01:28:58 PM EST
    do an appeal about your private insurance company but the end result is the same whether it's Medicare or private insurance: pretty much nothing. A friend of mine went around for 6 months with BCBS trying to get something straightened out and in the end she just freaking gave up.

    It sounds to me that all the systems have the same problems. the only difference is the cost of the service.


    Actually (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 04:57:02 PM EST
    it might not change the cost of the end service but it does change the cost of the middle man. The insurance companies making a profit off all this costs money. It's one of the reasons for all the exorbitant medical costs here in our country.

    Tort (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 04:59:58 PM EST
    reform has been done and it did not work. It's just another one of those red herrings conservatives use.  It's all good and fine to be for tort reform until something happens to you. Fact of the matter is, if the doctor would get rid of some of these bad doctors they would save themselves a ton of money.

    Slicing & dicing (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by christinep on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 04:03:46 PM EST
    If the ACA falls, let us consider any real prospects for a comprehensive package involving health insurance/health care.  In that consideration, think about the efforts, energy, time devoted 20 years ago at the outset of the Clinton administration; think then about the efforts, energy, & time dedicated at the beginning of the Obama administration.  Also: Think back via records of the past 70 or so years with the push for reform every number of years, attempts at compromise...always followed by defeat.  My guess:  there is nothing or next to nothing to realize--pragmatically nor altruistically-- to start the good fight anew for a long time to come.  The history to date shows that $$$$ changes the rosy expectations that greet each new attempt & turn us all into a what-about-mine etc.tumult.  Time must be invested & lost; reputations can be dashed; and, as the polls now sow, no one is happy about any approach.

    I'm venting, of course.  Ever since I can remember, I've had an interest in health care (in part, from very close to home family reasons.). 'Spent time on the issue in 1993 ...even to the extent og being fortunate enough for my late sister Rita & I to have a few minutes with the First Lady Hillary Clinton & even traveling to D.C. For a group briefing in the early stages by point person Ira Messenger.  After that defeat, there was a type of hibernation period nationally...until this last go round in 2009.  This time the WH tried to take the lessons of the past & learn in order to move a bill forward...that meant working wit groups, seeking partial consensus where possible, giving & taking to move a bill forward.

    We all know the story; we just interpret it differently.  My longtime desire was for a single payer system...and, like with you Jim, the Medicare extension variety called out with it's straightforward approach & with an infrastructure already in place.  Then, the insurance land of Connecticut injected Lieberman .  Reality set in.  By at least one vote, the votes weren't there.  Period.  In fact, it took incredible work and deft maneuvering and pushing (aka deal-making) to move any kind of comprehensive plan.  Ergo, the nobody likes it ACA, the I like all the parts (except the mandate) ACA.

    Anyone studying the history of attempts at health care reform in this country know the buzz saw. Follwing the action of the more & more ideologically-inclined Supreme Court, we will most likely need to turn to the next generation for national relief...or to the realization that everybody has to give apposition or two to get.  If not, the likelihood is that the demanding all yields the getting of nothing.  Finally, I believe that the political will to rectify the situation to any degree will jot be there (given the brutal political experience) for a longt, long time to come.  

    Meanwhile, the uninsured ranks will grow, others will complain all the more strongly, & life will go on...or death will go on for the estimated 26,000 who are estimated to die for lack of adequate health care.  


    Sorry for all the typos...the prospects in (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by christinep on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 04:22:36 PM EST
    The area of health insurance/healthcare reform in my lifetime are now looking exceedingly bleak.  This weekend has been my time for emotional processing of a likely jettisoning of ACA by a 5 to 4 split.  I'm in the I-give-up-phase today...so, not thinking too positively nor typing too well.

    BTW, I don't think it is too much self-pity...for one thing the health insurance coverage my husband & I are privileged to have as a result of being a retired federal employee (and having the yearly competitive exchanges available) is exceptional & a relative bargain.  My sadness  is the reality of the insurance situation for so many...and, we came so close.


    A single payer system based on Medicare (none / 0) (#99)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 05:50:36 PM EST
    is not the British system.

    BTW - Why didn't she just go to a dentist and pay for having the tooth replaced?


    Ruffian, I can not answer (none / 0) (#61)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 11:45:30 AM EST
    the question as to why health insurers would not have acted differently, for as we know they often seem to behave in strange and mysterious ways--other than somehow, some way, it is to their financial advantage.  And, the ACA as we have long discussed is an unduly complex way of broadening insurance coverage for Americans.

    An appreciation of the mandate has been, in my view, botched in that it has been presented as a penalty or a tax, constitutionally covered by the Commerce Clause or the Tax Code--and sometimes all arguments have been made.  Some of the reasons have been political to thwart Republican criticisms of an increased tax as well as to deflect Republican ire since it was originally a Republican notion.  All proved to be dreams.

    Candidate Obama did not include a mandate in his health care plan, but changed his view later.  Certainly, the mandate expedites the goals, but its absence is not fatal. Given the stakes for the citizens and the unlikelihood of a decent replacement, an edit of the Act may be as effective in achieving the mandate objectives.

    In discussion of the mandate as being revenue, at oral argument Justice Ginsberg worried that eventually the mandate would not raise revenues if everybody bought health insurance.  But, the mandate was not really expected to achieve 100 per cent compliance.  The amount of the tax/penalty is set at about the average premium for health insurance in the US, meaning that it may be appealing for some people to just pay the tax or penalty.


    I think the insurance companies (none / 0) (#91)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 04:31:29 PM EST
    will get Congress to repeal provisions of the law about preexisting conditions, at the very least, if the mandate is struck down.

    Except (none / 0) (#95)
    by jbindc on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 05:05:29 PM EST
    Before they started this monstrosity known as ACA, there was broad bipartisan support for a couple of aspects of the bill - young adults staying on their parents' insuranve until age 26 and eliminating the ban of coverage on pre-existing conditions.  They could have had a great, albeit smaller, but without question, bill that would never have been challenged.

    You are overstating, jbindc, IMO (none / 0) (#100)
    by christinep on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 05:53:09 PM EST
    Whatever "broad support" for particular actions before the changes known as ACA did not appear in any concrete form.  Perhaps, if there was a "vision" or "thought" as to specific bills, it was hidden? Do you recall any specific bills drafted by Repubs? Or by any bipartisan group? Any, that is, prior to the ACA.  (As I recall, the CHIP program even had to be pushed by the Dems corralling whatever they could to pass it.)  It is all well & good to claim that something else would have happened...but, that claim should be substantiated.

    And, of course, I do take strong exception to calling ACA a "monstrosity."  First: Tell that to families who now have free preventive care in many areas, who now have guaranteed movement toward removal of the infamous "preexisting" impediment, who feared the lifetime cap imposition because they suffered lifelong chronic disease, who were terminated/rescinded without what-under-the-ACA would be the only acceptable cause of proven fraud by applicant, etc. etc.  Second: Other than throwing-around unfounded garbage-mouth terms like "monstrosity," perhaps you can enlighten us on what your legislation would look like--how you would propose to pay for it--and, very big in reality, how you would have gotten/would now get the votes (remember filibuster-prone Senate).  As to the latter, be precise on how the vote would go (you know, reality.)  Just curious....

    Footnote: Nina Totenber, on NPR this a.m., referred to the interwoven fabric--& how closely it fits together--of the ACA as a complicated, complete, integrated legisation initiating the first major healthcare/insurance reform we have seen.  Again, I'm wondering how you would have improved on it???? In reality, of course???


    Color me shocked (none / 0) (#103)
    by jbindc on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 06:36:09 PM EST
    You disagree with me.

    Nice deflection--you get bonus points, jbindc:) (none / 0) (#108)
    by christinep on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:08:34 PM EST
    No deflection (none / 0) (#113)
    by jbindc on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:16:35 PM EST
    I just don't feel like arguing with you about stuff that has been documented here and elsewhere.

    Hoo ha! (none / 0) (#114)
    by christinep on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:28:00 PM EST
    Thank you for the correction (none / 0) (#131)
    by christinep on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 08:29:26 AM EST
    ...it keeps me honest.  Segue to:  As you forecast, the "content" issue would be important to me.  So, what did you think about the content of those Repub bills at the time...did the content begin to address healthcare/insurance reform here?  Just curious & just sayin'.

    Thanks again.


    It was (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by lentinel on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 07:03:31 PM EST
    evident that the gay community was getting fed up with Obama. He became aware that he could no longer count on their votes unless he "evolved" a little quicker. So, after many years of evolution, he came out and said, yes. Gay Americans are human beings as well and are entitled to the same rights accorded heteros.

    It became equally apparent that the Hispanic community was becoming disenchanted with Obama and that he could no longer count on their votes. So, after many years of nothing, he made a statement that gives the appearance at least of liberalizing current immigration policy.

    In other words, Obama yields to pressure. We have known that for some time - watching him cave to right wing interests time after time in the guise of unity or reaching across the aisle.

    But, here, at long last, he is yielding to pressure from groups with which I can identify.

    Isn't it time that those interested in civil liberties, people who want an end to indefinite detention without charge or trial, people who want Guantanamo closed, people who want an end to the idiotic persecution of people who want to smoke marijuana, people who want an immediate end to the war in Afghanistan... Isn't it time that these groups assert their "no mas" - instead of cowering.

    If gay people and Hispanic people were not afraid to say, to hell with you if you don't represent us - if they were not held in check by fear of a Republican replacing a Democrat in whom they had waning interest - why are civil libertarians shivering in fear - vowing to support someone who will not represent them?

    With the LGBTQ community, it (5.00 / 5) (#30)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 08:22:33 PM EST
    wasn't just the potential loss of votes. Even more importantly, from Obama's perspective, it was the potential loss of huge amounts of money.

    Time and again, in the LGBTQ circles in which I wander, people made clear that they were no longer willing to be the quiet and complacent ATM, happy for whatever scraps were tossed their way.

    Money talks.


    Obama's "statement" (none / 0) (#28)
    by NYShooter on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 08:05:32 PM EST
    "....he could no longer count on their votes. So, after many years of nothing, he made a statement....."

    "Step it up, Eric, fire up those busses, they're catching on.Time's running out on us."


    Dare I recommend... (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by desertswine on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 11:34:07 PM EST
    to such classy people, "Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter" for a fun, action movie. No thinking involved and its surprisingly entertaining. Plus, as an added bonus, we learn the real cause of the Civil War.

    Can't wait to see it (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 04:07:47 AM EST
    I had hoped it would be mindlessly entertaining.  I'm due something like that.

    Going this afternoon (none / 0) (#45)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 06:13:29 AM EST
    Seems like perfect rainy day entertainment .

    Also I saw 'Rock of Ages' the other night. Totally mindless but fun. Tom Cruise is really good- definitely creates an original, funny  character out of what could have been an easy stereotype.


    These comments demonstrate a (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 11:48:34 AM EST
    lamentable lapse in film choices!!!!

    hahaha.....yes...not sure about (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 12:30:10 PM EST
    the rest of the country, but in Orlando, it is the two mentioned above, 'the Avengers', or 'Brave' playing on about 98% of the screens in town.

    Maybe I will just stay home and enjoy the rainy day.

    I did watch '50/50' on DVD last night. That was excellent. The only film that honestly made me cry in a long time - the scene when he goes in for surgery was so real to me.


    Will I live long enough to see (none / 0) (#69)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 12:36:02 PM EST


    Your position in the holds queue: 91 of 122.

    I'd say....your chances are 50/50 (5.00 / 4) (#73)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 01:00:58 PM EST
    50/50 coming from netflix tomorrow (none / 0) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 01:20:41 PM EST
    I got the new shot at a Western too 'Blackthorn'.  My daughter went to see 'Snow White and the Huntsman' without me and my husband won't go see it with me because he can't stand the actress Kristen Stewart.  He says her acting always comes across to him as her being constipated.  My daughter said that Charlize Theron plays a terrific EVIL, Kristen still seems to be quiet and confused.  'Brave' is playing though, will take my granddaughters to it this week.

    Ha! You haven't lived... (none / 0) (#127)
    by desertswine on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 10:38:02 PM EST
    until you see Abe Lincoln swing an axe like a baton twirler.

    I highly recommend... (none / 0) (#132)
    by kdog on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 09:05:23 AM EST
    Wes Anderson's latest, Moonrise Kingdom.  Saw it at the Cinema Arts Center last weekend...killer cast all brought great performances, fun quirky story, classic Wes Anderson.

    sond track (none / 0) (#143)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 03:21:11 PM EST
    with a lot of mid-late sixties British Invasion stuff?

    Nope.... (none / 0) (#150)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 01:29:05 PM EST
    didn't ring a bell so I checked, some Hank Williams though!

    Speaking of Hank, found a book you might like jondee.  I just started but I'm hooked a dozen or so pages in.  Great American Songwriter Steve Earle's first novel, "I'll Never Get Out of This World Alive".  About a doctor turned junkie back alley abortionist on skid row in San Antonio circa 1963, who is haunted by the ghost of Hank Williams.  Need I say more? ;)


    I really like Steve Earle alot.. (none / 0) (#151)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 04:22:20 PM EST
    And loved his radio show. He'd always have on some out-of-the-mainstream musician quest, who would play on the show whatever recordings, no matter how obscure, influenced him or her the most. And as an added bonus, Steve was an excellent, edgy and imaginative interviewer..

    It made for some really interesting, entertaining radio..

    Thanks for the heads up. I will definately check his book out.


    So Purdue University's (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Zorba on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 12:20:16 PM EST
    next President will be Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels.  The same Mitch Daniels who, as governor, appointed most, and re-appointed the rest, of the trustees who just appointed him.  Daniels "deflected the question" about whether this constituted a conflict of interest.
    Of course, he has no experience in academia whatsoever.  But apparently, not to worry, because:  
    "I have not made a life in the academy, but I have spent my life reading, admiring, and attempting to learn from those who do," Daniels said in a statement.


    Yes, "Daniels deflected the question" (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 01:48:01 PM EST
    to the Chairman of the Board of Trustees who said he saw no conflict of interest.  In fact, the Board of Trustees, he continued, discussed this and they believe there is no conflict of interest.  So, there is that.  

    As for a University president being an academic, that ship seems to have sailed in keeping with the corporatizing of the academy.  Daniels new job as president will include dealing with budgets he ladled out as governor.Hopefully for Purdue,, his budget forecasting will be better than as Bush's Director of OMB, particularly his projection for the Iraq war.

    But, Daniels biggest responsibility will be to obtain state, federal and private funding.  As a presidential primer, Daniels can look to the hapless U VA's former (?) president, Teresa Sullivan, who apparently failed because she satisfied only the students, faculty and many alumni.


    Yes, and (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by Zorba on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 02:07:58 PM EST
    isn't that a d@mned shame when it comes to the long-term future of this country, and the world?  We are galloping headlong into becoming Sparta, not Athens.  More's the pity for us, and humanity.
    Sparta was, without a doubt, hugely successful militarily.  But who remembers any profound ideas of governance, philosophy, literature, art, even science, originating in Sparta?  We are indebted to Athens, not Sparta.  Those are the things that make us truly "human."

    Well, given that the prices keep going (none / 0) (#72)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 12:41:09 PM EST
    up faster than inflation for degrees that people can't pay for because there's no market for'em....

    Maybe, just maybe, it's time for some outside overview....

    (Not, mind you, I think anything will change, but one can hope.)


    I don't see (5.00 / 4) (#74)
    by Zorba on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 01:14:00 PM EST
    a university education as some kind of "upscale technical school," Jim.  It should be prepared to educate our kids in the fields that are of importance, but it should also be prepared to educate the critical thinkers, the poets, the artists, the writers, the philosophers, and all else who can make our society an actual living, breathing, far-sighted civilization, and not just a conglomeration of technically-trained worker-bees.
    But that's just my opinion.  YMMV.  ;-)    

    No real problem with that (none / 0) (#97)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 05:11:50 PM EST
    But the problem I do see is that we have far too many people who think they are critical thinkers, etc... When they aren't.

    And, as long as the government wasn't paying for their delusions and then wanting to be paid back, no problem.....

    Tell me. Will you agree that all the government money is what has driven up prices to a large degree??


    You're woefully out of touch (none / 0) (#86)
    by Towanda on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 04:05:20 PM EST
    with the data and need to go back to school to learn to research the comparative employment rates (and salary rates) of college graduates in this economy vs. those with no college on their resumes.

    By the way, the leading cause for tuition increases is the hardware, software, and tech staff needed to train students for today's world on these here computer thingies.  And campuses get no breaks on increased costs of electricity -- including the need to constantly a/c and air-clean computer facilities, which means most campus facilities these days . . . plus in the winter, heat costs go up for campuses, too.  And water and etc.

    The only line item in many campus budgets that is going down is faculty salaries -- at public campuses, anyway.  For those who prefer that their children have actual professors, committed to education as a career and to constantly updating curricula and to being on campus for more than classes, save up now.  And save up a lot, as the tuition increases are higher at private campuses.  For one thing, they actually have been giving raises to faculty.


    So Occupy Wall Street was lying to us??? (none / 0) (#98)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 05:14:28 PM EST
    And I hear you on the other increases...

    But doesn't private businesses have the same problem??

    I may not have the solution but I can sure see the disease.


    Of course, private business (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by Towanda on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 09:58:30 AM EST
    has this problem, and that's why many are going out of business, if they no longer can get loans, or they reduce quality by buying from China, etc.

    If your solution is for higher education to go out of business, too, or to reduce quality, that again says a lot about you.


    Access to higher public education ... (none / 0) (#116)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:42:20 PM EST
    ... through the G.I. Bill is what secured this country's middle class in the aftermath of the Second World War. Affordable higher public education is what fueled California's remarkable growth into one of the largest economies in the world.

    Unfortunately, the "Greatest Generation" was followed by the "Greediest Generation," and "Me, Myself and I" pulled up the drawbridge after they got theirs.


    Problem is, it isn't affordable anymore (none / 0) (#124)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:59:39 PM EST
    for millions and millions.

    It's affordable if (none / 0) (#137)
    by Towanda on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 10:02:05 AM EST
    students stop taking the same courses over and over, if they pay attention to the course catalog re requirements, if they "shop" reasonably for campuses that are affordable for them, etc.

    Do not be persuaded by the high end of the data without looking at why those students are at the high end.  One at my campus, for example -- a very affordable campus -- came from out of state, from her home area which has dozens of fine campuses, and borrowed for out-of-state tuition for seven years plus room and board and books to the tune of more than $100,000 . . . for a K6 teaching degree!  

    Her case often is cited here by the righties like you who like scare tactics.  


    Ah yes an old Rightie who has (none / 0) (#139)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 12:19:57 PM EST
    who believes in a single payer health care plan, gay marriage, LWOP and drug law reform.....

    and have commented so for years...

    All of which have been in the Repub party platform for years and years and years.

    Should I show a sarcasm alert here or have you caught on??

    Look. You have a vested interest. Mine is more general. But facts speak. We have a serious problem.

    And letting people borrow money...

    for out-of-state tuition for seven years plus room and board and books to the tune of more than $100,000 . . . for a K6 teaching degree!

    Is flat out insane. Yet the educational system did nothing, said nothing. It just kept on taking tax payer dollars.


    What do you suggest? (none / 0) (#141)
    by jbindc on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 12:34:39 PM EST
    That colleges and universities act like bartenders and cut off students and say "You've had enough"?

    Maybe quit loaning money for (none / 0) (#148)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 12:08:12 AM EST
    out of state tuition for degrees in teaching???

    Maybe do something to reduce the increases to inflation?

    How about just quit loaning money that has any connection to the government?? You now, let the market establish what a degree is worth??

    I mean, if they are truly all that valuable somebody is gonna loan and somebody is gonna borrow.


    Big disconnect (none / 0) (#144)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 03:25:54 PM EST
    in there somewhere..

    Like a self-proclaimed Gandhi disciple who signed up with the SS..


    For bloggers who lament the tendency (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 03:20:05 PM EST
    of commenters to diverge from the point of the diary:

    I learned one other thing from the reception of my article. When a piece of writing gains enough notoriety to create controversy, the responses it generates often have little to do with the original text. The author has struck a nerve, usually by examining an issue others have ignored or distorted. When all the repressed energy is suddenly released, it takes its own shape. For most respondents the text itself is merely a point of departure. Reading the various articles and editorials inspired by "Can Poetry Matter?", I was interested to see how often I was invoked to support an idea I disliked or to condemn a notion I endorsed. This can be either amusing or annoying. The important thing is to step aside and let the ideas pursue their own dialectic. The culture is now at work, and the author has become only one of the spectators.

    Dana Gioia

    Per Writer's Almanac, the typewriter (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 12:54:21 PM EST
    was patented on this date in 1968.

    Hunter S. Thompson wrote on a red IBM Selectric. One of his first jobs was as a copy boy for Time, and while he was supposed to be working, he used a typewriter and typed out, word for word, all of The Great Gatsby and A Farewell to Arms, in order to learn something about writing style.

    Certainly not 1968 (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Peter G on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 03:09:47 PM EST
    Could that be 1868, perhaps?

    Ha. I'm wrong again. And you got it. (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by oculus on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 03:13:50 PM EST
    Can't even blame iPhone this time.  

    Today's Writer's Almanac: (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 03:15:35 PM EST

    P.S.  I love this site.  


    Here is a photo (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 03:20:13 PM EST
    of one of Hunter's selectric typewriters I took in 2006. Here's the one that was in his kitchen in 2006.

    But this may be the oldest typewriter I've ever seen, it's in his living room.


    My first typewriter, given to me by an (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 08:18:31 PM EST
    aunt when I was 7 (1959), was this beauty.

    It was a 1920's era L.C. Smith (before the merger with Corona) desktop. It weighed a ton. My aunt purchased it in the mid-'30s. I used that typewriter for years. As I said, it weighed a ton. I could push it around from one side of my desk to another. Carrying it was much more difficult.

    I used that typewriter until 1966. That year my parents gave me a Smith-Corona portable as an 8th grade graduation present. I had that typewriter until the late '80s. It got me through high school and college papers. It produced my first resumes and cover letters. It cranked out newspaper stories starting with my first story for my grade school paper all the way through high school and college and my later time with small local newspapers.

    That typewriter traveled all over the country with me, and compensated for my horrendous handwriting by letting me produce legible letters to family and friends.

    My dad was a newspaper reporter when I was a kid. I was lulled to sleep by the rhythm of his typewriter keys striking the newsprint sheets he used to write his stories.

    There is a lot to be said for computers. My laptop is very handy. Still, I really miss the typewriter.


    My first typewriter was a (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 11:19:08 PM EST
    Corona portable built before WWII and purchased for a lady's son when he went to college. He was a pilot in the army air force and was killed on a bombing mission over Germany.

    He sold it to me for $15.00 because I told her it was all I had ... I was 13 and this was '51...and she said, "Just take care of it."

    I did and I still have it.


    Now is the time (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Rojas on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 11:29:08 PM EST
    for all good men to come to the aid of their country.

    My mom, my tent dwelling, itinerant farmer mom, who left home at fourteen and had the courage of a lion.
    She must of typed that at least a half million times.
    Mastery of the typewriter and steganography were keys to her empowerment.


    Don't forget (none / 0) (#38)
    by sj on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 11:50:09 PM EST
    The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.  

    They were the keys to my empowerment, also.  Well, typing, anyway.  And I nearly didn't take it because I was so sure I was never going to work in an office.


    There's a lot to be said for that. (none / 0) (#117)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:46:34 PM EST
    Mastery of stenography also appears to have been the key to Dana Milbank's and David Brooks' respective empowerments, too.

    Couldn't really speak to that (1.00 / 1) (#146)
    by Rojas on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05:57 PM EST
    Donald. But being a low level political appointee has turned into being a pretty good cash cow for my ex-brother-in-law. Perhaps I've mentioned it, you two remind me of each other.

    That was an excellent idea. (none / 0) (#4)
    by EL seattle on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 01:32:45 PM EST
    If an aspiring writer wanted to try that exercise today, I wonder what novels would make the best models, if the goal is to learn something about writing style, ca. 2012?

    oooh interesting question! (none / 0) (#12)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 03:44:28 PM EST
    This year I would nominate Julian Barnes' 'A Sense of an Ending', or any Barnes actually. That would be a Brit example. For an American, Toni Morrison.

    Those would be the ones I would want to see replicated into the future anyway.


    Question for you Jeralyn based on (none / 0) (#31)
    by Doug1111 on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 08:33:49 PM EST
    the news of today that Penn State is moving to try to quickly settle potential civil lawsuits against it over Sandusky's behavior.

    Why would Penn State be liable for that.  Sure he was an employee, but he was acting totally outside of his authorized employee responsibilities.  

    Why does Penn State have good Samaritan obligation to rigorously police it's employees not doing criminal acts?  

    America's tort laws in these kinds of areas seem to go far further than any other country's, including common law home or our laws, Britain.  

    Are you kidding me? They knew he was doing it (none / 0) (#46)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 06:14:45 AM EST
    andit and did not turn him in to the police. The place ought to be shut down as far as I'm concerned.

    And didn't (none / 0) (#48)
    by jbindc on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:16:41 AM EST
    Some of the assaults take place on campus?

    Yes, on more than one victim (none / 0) (#50)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:48:30 AM EST
    The one McQuery saw, and at least one more I heard interviewed that was not brought forward in the trial, but held in reserve in case they needed him.

    According to e-mails ... (none / 0) (#118)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:57:30 PM EST
    ... exchanged between former PSU President Graham Spanier, Athletic Director Tim Curley, PSU Vice President Gary Schultz and several members of the PSU Board of Trustees, they appeared to be far more concerned about Jerry Sandusky's welfare back in 2001 after Coach Joe Paterno first reported Brian McQueary's accusations to Curley and Schultz, than there was concern expressed for Victim No. 2.

    There were a lot of people who dropped the ball here, and not just at Penn State. Let's remember that the first report of allegations about Sandusky's behavior surfaced back in 1998, when a police and D.A. investigation was concluded without any charges being filed in 1999. Sandusky then retired as coach from Paterno's staff that season, but he still maintained tenure at PSU by virtue of his official position as an associate professor of physical education.

    That's how he continued to have access to Penn State athletic facilities. Further, that access was not maintained not by his relationship with Coach Paterno (in fact, they seemed to have not communicated much at all after he retired from the football staff in 1999), but with Vice President Schultz.  


    The Obama campaign (none / 0) (#49)
    by jbindc on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:25:02 AM EST
    Got not one but TWO "Four Pinnochios" this week.

    Here's the latest.

    Why isn't the truth about Romney's record enough for Obama to win?  Why blatantly just make stuff up?

    Hey, your link is not working (none / 0) (#51)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:53:29 AM EST
    But in general I agree there should be plenty of truth to use.

    But it is silly season. Personally I am looking forward to seeing the same GOPers that blamed high gas prices on Obama 6 months ago, and were practically gleeful at the prospect of 4.50 per gallon gas for voters this summer,  take to the Sunday airwaves in thanks and praise that their predictions were wrong.

    But I don't suppose I will see that either.


    Let me know when (none / 0) (#56)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 09:28:48 AM EST
    gasoline is at $1.81..... the same price as it was when Obama was sworn in....

    I love cherry picked stats (none / 0) (#63)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 11:57:33 AM EST
    Thank god the price of gas under Obama has never reached the all-time high it did under Bush.

    And your point is what?? (none / 0) (#70)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 12:36:50 PM EST
    That the price has drifted upwards??

    Historical gasoline prices.

    Was it because candidate Obama said he had no problem with a slow rise?

    And he shut down drilling on public lands as soon as he was elected??

    Could that have something to do with it? Huh? Maybe? Huh??


    It's actually (none / 0) (#77)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 01:31:30 PM EST
    drifted down here in GA. You guys in TN have a very high sales tax so maybe it hasn't gone down that muc there.

    Oh, not the drilling lie again.


    Yes, GA us hillbillies aint got no (none / 0) (#96)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 05:08:23 PM EST
    state income tax but around a 9% sales tax...

    And yes. That old MSNBC interview where we can hear and see Obama HIMSELF tell us what he wanted...

    Of course he was probably spouting lies.



    So you're calling (none / 0) (#101)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 06:07:39 PM EST
    yourself a hillbilly? That's interesting because that's not a word that I would have used to describe you.

    Can we use tape where the GOP was blaming Obama for high gas prices but then when they are going down they are silent? Weren't the Republicans the ones that were excited about them going up to (supposedly) $5.00 this summer?


    Ga, that is called "snark." (none / 0) (#111)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 07:13:21 PM EST
    BTW - Gasoline is not down. At $3.45 it is around a $1.64 above what it was when Obama came on board.

    I know it ain't gonna happen, but I just keep hoping that someone will grasp the huge impact that high transportation costs have on Joe and Jane Sixpack and quit defending Obama's philosophy that he, as godhead, must deliver us into the unworkable and unknowable "green world" by keeping energy high.


    Oh, good grief (none / 0) (#120)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:00:28 PM EST
    You are cherry picking the price once again. I guess you're wishing for another collapse on Wall Street to get cheap gas? you're acting like an economic collapse is a good thing.

    He's not the one keeping energy prices high. The problem is the competition for resources and speculation. Transportation costs affect the margins. If cheap gas were a solution to all our "ills" then we wouldn't have been losing millions of jobs back in 2008 despite your wishful thinking.

    The price here in GA is 3.19 down from 3.59 a few weeks ago. Your gas tax must be keeping gas higher in TN and we don't have a cheap gas tax here in GA anymore.


    Who's cherry picking??? (none / 0) (#122)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:56:58 PM EST
    Gas buddy is a national average.

    We're talking about national numbers.

    High gas isn't all of our problems. But it is a huge contributor.

    And guess what. There has been no increases in disposable income. Let me see. Two car family.

    30 gallons a week x 1.60 = $48 @ car = $96 @ 2 cars x 52 = $4992 after tax that's going to ONE source. Assuming Joe and Jane are clearing $70K after tax that's a 7.14% hit....

    Would you like a 7% salary increase??

    That's a killer on the economy and doesn't even consider the "margins" as you call it on the cost of food and every other thing that uses carbon based fuels.

    Doesn't make any difference why you've been shot. Or who has shot you. You are still shot.


    You are (none / 0) (#129)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 07:17:00 AM EST
    cherry picking when you are ignoring all the prices during the Bush administration and just picking the one price during the collapse.

    The lack of increase in disposable income is something that has largely been going on for decades. That is nothing new. What you are quoting is the price for a week at Disney in FL that someone  MIGHT have to give up because of gas.

    Here's the thing: you think it's the main problem. It's not. It only affects the margins like vacations etc.

    People have been paying over $3.00 for gas for most of the last how many years?


    Ga, if I wanted to cherry pick (none / 0) (#140)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 12:26:55 PM EST
    I wouldn't have given you a link and would have went back to $1.00 gas under Clinton and $23/barrel oil under Bush.

    And if you think a 7%-8% hit on disposable income isn't very hurtful then it is obvious you are out of touch. Doubly so when everything else keeps going up.

    You know, we have problems. Obama made'em worse. Romney may stop the bleeding and make things a bit better. But this country runs on oil. And it can't afford much above $1.50 a gallon.


    what bleeding is romney gonna stop (none / 0) (#142)
    by CST on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 12:34:44 PM EST
    the bleeding out of the public sector workforce?  I doubt it.  The private sector may not be growing as fast as it should but it's not bleeding jobs anymore, and Romney is not the guy to help the public sector.

    He is not the guy to help the long-term unemployed, and he's never been the guy to put the masses back to work.  He's the guy to help the rich get richer, which is what they've been doing all along.  Corporate profits aren't bleeding though, and they don't need his help.


    We'll it is possible that he might (none / 0) (#145)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 04:20:42 PM EST
    And as for the "public sector" I am a firm believer that we hollow out bunches and bunches of the administrators, etc., while keeping policemen, firemen, teachers.... You know, the people who actually contribute to the well being of the public.

    Will the economy improve?? Well, it surely has not under Obama.

    Time for some Change, I Hope.

    But yes. When companies fail they do so for a reason. Sometimes it is management. Sometimes it is the product. It is rarely Joe and Jane Sixpack although they can contribute in both positive and negative ways.

    But the fact is that the NEW money coming in want some big returns for their investment dollars to make up for the times when the company can't be saved. And even when they can, often times mergers mean that positions are duplicated so people have to go.

    Sad? Yes, it sad to lose maybe 30%. Want sadder? Lose 100%.


    I didn't (none / 0) (#149)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 01:05:39 PM EST
    say that it didn't matter only that it affects purchasing on the margins. Conservatives have been preaching for years that gas prices don't matter because they are inelastic or some such crap.

    So you take an 8% hit on income and what do you do? You cut back on vacations and you cut back on eating out and those are the two industries that are suffering the most right now.

    If the country can't take more than $1.50 a gallon then we are in for a long time of problems according to you. There are never going to be cheap gas prices again due to a number of reasons. It's time to stop wishing things were a certain way that they are not and dealing with the problem that exists.


    The funny thing is (none / 0) (#125)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 09:03:17 PM EST
    I don't remember one iota of anything even remotely approximating a concern about the impact on "Joe Six-pack" and gas prices during the first couple of years of the Iraq invasion..

    What was the difference in the price of a barrel of oil before and after the invasion again?

    Now, everythings suddenly about Obama's lack of concern for the little guy in fly over country..


    ... approved under this president than under the previous one. Just sayin', Jim.

    Word I have is that (none / 0) (#123)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:58:00 PM EST
    the number of private leases have increased,

    Public leases have decreased.


    Sorry (none / 0) (#88)
    by jbindc on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 04:13:24 PM EST
    Doing this from my phone.  It's the Factchecker at WaPo.

    Breaking Bad is coming back (none / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 09:32:48 AM EST
    I only watched bits and pieces before.... can't stand long commercials... I have now purchased/finished season 1 ($20/ebay) and am halfway through season 2 ($18/ebay) and highly recommend it. I'll get the others as become available. Probably the best TV series since Tinker-Tailor....

    Isn't it great? I marathon viewed (none / 0) (#68)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 12:32:26 PM EST
    all of it last summer. Wait until you get further in - just keeps getting better!

    Really looking forward tot he new season.


    I'll wait for the DVD. The commercial breaks (none / 0) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 12:38:59 PM EST
    just kill the enjoyment for me!

    I know what you mean (none / 0) (#90)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 04:25:49 PM EST
    For Mad Men this season I recorded and then watched later, but even fast forward takes you out of the mood a little.  But now that I am hooked I can't wait until they come out on DVD. My liberal lack of discipline, you know. :-)

    Does this ring true: (none / 0) (#92)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 04:35:58 PM EST
    The refinement of language and the cultivation of the habits of soul -- for the sake of both citizenship and that which transcends citizenship -- are decidedly conservative ideals

    National Review interview of Dana Gioia


    On different occasions (none / 0) (#121)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:08:36 PM EST
    I've heard Rush, Beck, Lucianne Goldberg Jr, and O'Reilly voice some variant of the exact same sentiments.

    Not. Ever.


    More Armando at DK. Wonderful (none / 0) (#81)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 02:00:01 PM EST
    lawyerly writing. But just as here, the commenters take it and run in a different direction.  

    Actually, "lawyerly" isn't usually (none / 0) (#82)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 02:02:32 PM EST
    considered a compliment.  The thinking/writing is excellent.

    Right wing "best sellers".. (none / 0) (#102)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 06:34:33 PM EST
    I see Regnery Press has two more bulk-purchased right wing classics in the top ten on the NYT best seller list..

    One by David "Papa" Limbaugh, and the other by Edward "the Immortal  Bard" Klein..

    At 27.95 and 29.95 respectively, in a down economy, when half the conservatives in the country already think the King James Bible and Atlas Shrugged are the only two books anyone needs to read..


    Your comments crack me up. (none / 0) (#104)
    by Angel on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 06:43:20 PM EST
    And I mean that as a compliment.