Monday Morning Open Thread

I'm sort of back, but really not. Works is piled up on my desk. But I'll find something to write about.

Open Thread.

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    Well, I am not (5.00 / 6) (#8)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 01:21:17 PM EST
    paying as much attention to the threads here, or to the news in general today.  I am busy making cherry jelly right now, from the cherries picked from our tree.  Whatever happens to this country economically or politically, at least we up here on the mountain will eat well.       ;-)
    PS  And a bunch of the cherries will be frozen for cherry pies later.

    Cherries (and all concoctions thereof) (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by christinep on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 01:42:37 PM EST
    Oh, Zorba, I relish all descriptions of cherry pies and sauces and jubilees etc. etc.  One of my favorite vulnerabilities. Share some more.

    I love cherries (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 02:19:58 PM EST
      Our sweet cherries didn't do diddly-squat this year, unfortunately.  I make cherry jam out of the sweet cherries, when we have enough, but jelly and cherry pies from the sour cherries, which fortunately did well.  Our apple trees also seem to be doing well.  We eat the apples fresh, root cellar them, and I can applesauce.
      The peach trees are not doing well.  When we have enough peaches, I put up peach jam and peach nectar.  If you've never had home-made peach nectar, you've never lived, girl- good stuff!

    Some years, (none / 0) (#85)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 12:59:11 AM EST
    some stuff does great, other stuff flops.  I do envy you the sour cherries, though.  Fresh cherry pie is one of the most orgasmic foods there is, IMO, and the season is so short, if you don't pay attention, they're just gone for another year.

    We've still got a couple weeks to go here before sour cherry season....


    Let me give you my address for the box of (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Angel on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 01:42:40 PM EST
    cherry jelly you'll be sending me.  :)  

    Between the summer heat and the deer the best I can do is back porch herbs and a few tomato plants.  


    Heehee! (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 02:03:55 PM EST
    We have long ago put up an electric fence around our garden to keep the deer out, which works very well (they do not seem to learn to jump over it- they walk into it, get shocked, and go away).  And we have a very large garden, from which I can, freeze, and dry a whole lot.
    As for the fruit trees, we hang up bags containing a combination of yellow deodorant soap and moth balls.  Old panty hose or cheesecloth work well for this.  That helps keep them away from the fruit trees, although sometimes we have to pot them in the butt with a BB gun, which doesn't seriously harm them, but scares them away for quite awhile.
    I will be making strawberry jam later this week by the way, and quince jelly later in the year when the quince are ready.

    It all sounds so mouth-watering delicious! (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Angel on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 02:40:35 PM EST
    I envy the cooler weather that allows for that kind of bounty.  Enjoy every bite for me!

    Oh, yeah? (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by NYShooter on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 03:48:12 PM EST
    You think an electric fence will do the trick? I've still got the rubber suit they made me wear at the, uh, clinic they escorted me to a while back.

    You'll have to do better than that, my dear, cherry sweet, Ms Zorba. We Russians know a thing or two `bout electric fences.


    LOL! (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 04:13:00 PM EST
    On the other hand, Shooter, we are also armed.  Two shotguns, a rifle, and a handgun.
    BTW, I am not only 3/4 Greek (from Crete), I am 1/4 Russian (actually, Belarusian).  We come from a stubborn people.
    But if you ask nicely, I'm more than willing to share with people who are of like mind.   ;-)

    Ahhh Crete (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by BTAL on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 05:13:56 PM EST
    My first USAF assignment.  Best 18 months a young single guy could ever experience!

    I don't know which is better: (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by Peter G on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 09:36:28 PM EST
    cherry preserves, or Cretan folk music. Love 'em both.

    "of like mind" hmm (none / 0) (#76)
    by NYShooter on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 11:05:57 PM EST
    like "stubborn?" yup, got that one covered.

    But,"1/4 Russian, I like that one better; Now, when I think of you I'll think, "my good friend, Ms Zorba, the cherry sweet "Mediterranean mongrel," or, MM for short. lol

    Anyway, we Russian men are notoriously henpecked so asking you "nicely" would be my greatest pleasure.

    p.s. I hope my MM thing wasn't offensive. It was said with nothing but 100% Russian good intentions.


    Russian men are hen-pecked?? (none / 0) (#87)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 01:01:04 AM EST
    HAHAHAHAH!  Tell me another one!

    Oh, c'mon (none / 0) (#90)
    by NYShooter on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 01:24:39 AM EST
    don't tell me you fell for their faux bravado?

    And, don't forget, Russia, and the Soviet Union, are not one and the same.


    Nay, nay (none / 0) (#121)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 11:06:40 PM EST
    I've just seen Russian families in action.  Lotta bluster from the ladies, no doubt, but only on certain very limited issues. Otherwise, Dad is indisputably king.

    In my experience.  I'm not Russian myself, so only an observer.


    Well, I am Russian (none / 0) (#123)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 01:17:05 AM EST
    born and bred.

    And, I have no idea if Russian men are henpecked, or not. I suppose some are, and some, not.

    I was just having some fun with my friend, Ms Zorba, and didn't think to study the historical data as to the relevent ratio of Russian male henpeckery vis-a-vis other nationalities.

    My bad.


    Never learned how to can or (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 02:47:22 PM EST
    make jam or jelly, too fidgety.  Always wanted to go outside.

    I know what you're saying, Tracy (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 03:09:18 PM EST
    I am fidgety, too, in fact, probably more than a bit ADHD (it runs in my family, as well as the milder version of autism spectrum).  But I am so interested in cooking that I also am willing to overlook this to the extent of making really good things for my family to eat.

    Well, I can't compete with cherries, (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by Anne on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 09:02:01 PM EST
    but I do have to say that we are already beginning to swim in zucchini...and it's only the freakin' 10th of June, for crying out loud!

    Everything's doing really well this year, but so early - I can't wait for the tomatoes; I could live on them and die happy.

    The blueberry bushes are loaded with berries and just starting to ripen; have I mentioned that I don't think there's anything better than eating food you grew yourself?

    We are so lucky, Zorba - to have land and be able to reap the fruits (and veggies!) of our labors...sometimes I am overwhelmed with how fortunate we are.


    When we return to Hawaii, ... (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 09:07:45 PM EST
    ... mango season will be in full swing. I love mangoes.

    I do, too (none / 0) (#64)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 09:24:28 PM EST
    When we visited Hawaii some years ago, I was so impressed with the fruit- mangoes, papayas, pineapples, etc.  Great stuff, really great.

    The first time I went to (none / 0) (#103)
    by sj on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:23:13 AM EST
    Hawaii I had fresh pineapple with every meal.  I loved it.  So when I got back home, I bought a fresh pineapple the very next time I went to the grocery store.

    Compared to the fruit I had Hawaii, it tasted like a grapefruit.  All that wonderful juicy sweetness was missing.


    I had the same reaction, sj (none / 0) (#116)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 01:44:27 PM EST
    The same type of difference as the one between a fresh-picked, ripe garden tomato, and the cardboard tomatoes you get at the grocery store.  

    Exactly (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by sj on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 03:10:06 PM EST
    But you know what's sad?  That people like me (who have no garden) get accustomed to eating the mediocre stuff.  At least I've had garden fresh vegetables in my life.  Some people have never had it at all.

    And yes, farmer's markets are a step up the ladder when it comes to produce.  But it's still not the same as truly fresh vine/tree/earth ripened food.


    You know, that is so true. (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by NYShooter on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 09:28:24 PM EST
    It's like when people say, "what's the big deal with a 5-star restaurant?" (I know, I was one of them) But, if you ever had a chance to participate in one, one bite, and you'd never ask that question again.

    And, it's the same thing with fruits & vegetables; If you've ever walked in an orchard in Sept/Oct, reached up and plucked an apple off a limb, one bite, and you're spoiled for life.


    Our squash is not (none / 0) (#62)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 09:20:26 PM EST
    near ready yet (we do live up on a mountain, after all, and it's much cooler here than down where you are!), but we, surprisingly, got our first cherry tomato a few days ago (earliest ever, for up here), we've been swimming in broccoli for awhile, and our potatoes are starting to bloom, so we should be getting new potatoes very soon- also earliest ever.
    OTOH, while my oregano threatens to take over the entire garden, my basil is not doing nearly as well this year as it usually does.

    I am so excited for the butternut (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by Anne on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 09:28:02 PM EST
    squash and the pumpkins!  The peppers are going great guns, and with the onions and tomatoes, we hope to be making some fresh salsa this summer.  And gazpacho - oh, I love that stuff!

    What just floors me is how, one day the zucchini are 4 inches, and within a day, they are doubled in size.

    I think if I looked close enough, I'm sure I could see them growing!


    The big ones (none / 0) (#88)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 01:04:15 AM EST
    make fabulous stuffed baked Zuke when you hollow them out, and that keeps really well in the freezer.  It's a wonderful microwave meal I rely on in the winter.  Especially when it's drenched in my own tomato sauce from jars canned in the summer.  Ooh-ooh!

    I do it in the broiler! (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 02:01:58 AM EST
    I slice zukes length wise and cover them with my marinara sauce with some grated pram on top. Drop that over some fresh made pasta and I'm HAPPY.

    uh, make that parm! n/t (none / 0) (#92)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 02:07:04 AM EST
    I love reading about your cooking Zorba (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by ZtoA on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 11:10:51 PM EST
    My nephew is into the HBO series Game of Thrones, and I've been watching so we can have more to talk about. He came over last evening and I let him pick a menu from the new cookbook A Feast of Ice and Fire which has medieval and updated recipies. I'll make it father's day so he can be the "young lord". Ha. I'll make a fish stew, beans and bacon, fish tarts, honey cakes, lemon cakes, buns with raisins, pine nuts and apple. He picked out a couple more sweets but I'll stop with three.

    He really wants me to make the spiced locusts. I dared him to eat one, actually and I think it is just his bravado saying he would. I found a website that sells edible insects and am considering ordering some of the crickets. It would be fun to serve them to him in any case. ...fun with food. Several christmases ago, when  my niece was vegetarian I teased her that I would make hamburger and fries for xmas dinner and I would get a photo of her mouth wrapped around the burger to which she would strongly deny. So I made a dessert that looked like a burger and fries - burger was a brownie, with muffin buns, fries were sugar cookies cut thin before baking, ketchup=raspberry sauce, mustard=lemon curd, lettuce, tomato and pickle=marzipan painted with coloring. I got a great photo.


    So... (none / 0) (#29)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 03:28:14 PM EST
    you substitute grease for pectin in your jams and jellies, right?  ;0

    Grease? Grease? (none / 0) (#33)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 04:23:39 PM EST
    In jellies and jams?  I think not, MileHi.  An abomination unto the Lord.  
    You can forget about getting any of my home-made jams and jellies, my brother.      ;-)

    No worries... (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 04:40:25 PM EST
    my mother is coming in August to put up preserves for me.  Palisade peaches (among others) done the right way!  

    Jeb Bush interview: (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 01:31:59 PM EST

    He endorsed Romney but seems more supportive of Pres. Obama.  

    Sure he is (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 02:51:02 PM EST
    If the Mitt gets it, he'll never be President.  The only way he gets a solid crack the way things look right now is if Romney loses.  Then Jeb will run on Obama's failures and restoring the Republican party to the party of Reagan :)

    Blood Meridian.. (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 02:59:09 PM EST
    Has anyone here read that book? Harold Bloom's blurb on the back calls it "the esthetic achievement of the last fifty years" and all I can say is, if it really is, the culture's in a lot of trouble..

    Cormac McCarthy's obviously a gifted writer, but he imo, is putting his considerable gift in the hands of the dark side (so to speak) in Blood Meridian: which is an "esthetic achievement" in the way an electric chair built by Gustav Stickley, or a Fabrege SS dagger would be. An ultimate triumph of form over function. I don't expect history and myth to be some Disneyesque, sanitized and pasturized feel-good experience, but Blood Meridian ventures beyond gritty realism into some literary-mythic equivalent of a soul-sucking, black hole that emits no light whatsoever. The kind of book produced by someone who's an unconscious Manichean, which is as much as to say a Puritan. There's EVIL out there - the the purest metaphysical sense - and the best we can do is not try to understand it, but simply endure it. Ultimately it's a book of profound resignation and defeat. And McCarthy's a "Southern Writer" (as many describe him) in Blood Meridian most when he relentlessly hammers home the point that the Devil is "Prince of this World" -- as American fundamentalists have told us over and over again..Though I have to give McCarthy credit, if thats the right word, for creating possibly the most singularly loathsome character (Satan his-own-self!) I've ever come across in a literary work with the character of "the Judge"..        


    Bravo: (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 04:44:18 PM EST
    which is an "esthetic achievement" in the way an electric chair built by Gustav Stickley, or a Fabrege SS dagger would be.

    What a gifted review, Jondee (none / 0) (#82)
    by NYShooter on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 12:54:15 AM EST

    From the "simplistic, barren" writing style Cormac McCarthy utilizes (a style that betrays the very complex universe he is trying to emote) I'm reminded that "less is certainly more." But, like I found with physics, the more I tried to comprehend it, the further from my grasp it became, the same phenomenon reared its ugly head when I read a "review" of Blood Meridian on Wikipedia.

    (I have a problem "getting it" whenever I read things authored by really smart people.) So, in high school, I developed a system, a trick really, to overcome that deficiency. I learned to look for "keywords" that triggered much greater meaning in my mind.....a word cheat sheet, if you will. And, so it was with Wiki's review of Blood Meridian. I was floundering in my attempt to absorb what the author was trying to explain.....until I tripped over my keyword, "Appalachian settings." Immediately, "Deliverance," popped into my head, and the rest was easy sailing.


    Love Cormac McCarthy's prose (none / 0) (#94)
    by Leopold on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 05:59:44 AM EST
    but cannot disagree with your assessment of his unrelentingly dark view of the universe. It culminates, I think, in The Road.

    I've been really frustrated lately (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 03:12:17 PM EST
    with a lot of GOP women in my age range turning on Planned Parenthood.  I was a youngster in WY, it is a Red State and we ALL got our birth control at a similar government grant funded nonprofit org.  WE ALL DID, I was there with all of you.  It was how we kept our parents out of our business, and protected ourselves from vile slut pointing fingers while at the same time trying to manage a sex drive rubbing up against the sex drives of those we were biologically set up to make or build intimate relationships with and families.  I was there with all of you sitting in the waiting room, making our appointments together so that we weren't "The Lone Slut".

    What the hell happened?  Dementia?  Early Alzheimer's?

    My husband suspects shame, that most of the women of my generation stayed stuck fearing and ashamed of their own sexuality, but it is so powerful at some points in our lives we cannot escape it.  Is this the case?

    I don't know how any of you can attack Planned Parenthood in your calmer sexual years when we now have his and hers bathtubs.  I was there in the beginning.  I saw you frightened and horny all at the same time.  I held your hand.  I was your friend.  You are hurting your daughters and your granddaughters, because you refuse to reconcile your past with your present, because you deny evolution and biology even when you have lived it, you remain bound by shame.....I guess

    Lather. Rinse. Repeat. (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 07:49:35 PM EST
    This is just my personal observation, but it seems to me that once a generation approaches or reaches middle age, regardless of era, its members tend to believe that:
    • They invented sex;
    • They assuredly were the product of an immaculate conception, because their own parents never had sex; and
    • Their own teenaged children will either never have sex, or can somehow be prevented from having sex.

    Do you remember the day (none / 0) (#108)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:37:35 AM EST
    when you were growing up, and you realized that every person you passed on the street was the product of a sex act?  That was like the longest most shocking day of my life.  Sex is a no no AND the whole world is doing it?  My teacher was doing it, the judge at the court house....doing it, the principal for God's sake.....doing it, all the police officers....doing it, my grandparents....did it a lot apparently...ugh

    Not really (5.00 / 0) (#119)
    by sj on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 03:12:41 PM EST
    when ... you realized that every person you passed on the street was the product of a sex act?
    I'm still not entirely convinced it's true.  :)

    Your (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:05:54 AM EST
    husband is right just going from what I have experienced growing up in the south and I'm willing to bet that southerners also are probably some of the worst about actually using birth control. It's kind of a freakish mentality where if you don't take birth control you don't have to admit to yourself that you're actually having sex or something like that kind of mindset. Even people who used b/c always made some statement like it was for their acne or something never admitting the real reason.

    And I got nuthin here (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 04:14:50 PM EST
    Josh asks, "Is Jesus a Demigod?"

    MT, I think we should go to (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 11:48:27 PM EST
    San Jose next June for the Kos convention thing.  You could stir up trouble and I could watch.  

    I wanna go, too! (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by sj on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 03:15:05 PM EST
    I'll be standing with occulus.

    I would love to go (none / 0) (#104)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:14:36 AM EST
    Thought about it too when I read BTD's diary about how much he enjoyed it this year.  Getting through this halo traction process with Josh was kind of hanging over our heads for the past 24 months.  Really stressful, because the doctors said repeatedly they were getting concerned and they needed to do it but then they would check his growth plates and he has so much more growing to do.  They don't want to have to put someone through it twice so they waited as long as they possibly could and we never really knew when the process would be started.

    My husband will be in South Korea then too, it would be a nice trip and kick off for the summer for Josh and I.  I think I'd bring him too and set something up for him to do while there.


    Josh could host a forum! (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:42:45 AM EST
    My primary concern is whether I (none / 0) (#110)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 11:14:01 AM EST
    would be able to hear whatever I chose to listen to.  Sounds like even those with good hearing couldn't hear some of the panels.  But it also sounds like lots of people hardly ever darkened the door of the formal program choices.  

    We'll figure it out (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 12:16:58 PM EST
    No worries.  I do hope that a Native American panel is able to get face time.  I heard a podcast where BTD brought up the Lakota voting block in South Dakota.  I lived in Gillette WY for awhile, and did a lot of down time in the Black Hills.  It is beautiful there, and the Lakota nation is a substantial population.  Substantial enough to decide two Senators in a state that can swing Democrat. It is IMO a voting block mostly unorganized and untapped too.

    Check out Adam B's pub quiz (none / 0) (#117)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 02:29:39 PM EST
    diary.  Don't think I'll be doing that!

    Well, made the leap (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 07:58:43 PM EST
    and the ADT system is installed and working. Entry warnings, motion detectors and smoke/fire detection.

    Now I'm afraid to leave the house because I may screw getting back in..


    Why not practice with it a few times? (none / 0) (#60)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 09:05:07 PM EST
    But if you do, my advice is but five words:

    Read and follow the directions.

    It's amazing how so many people can get themselves all worked up into an absolute tizzy about modern technology, simply because 99% of the time, they fail to read and follow the directions properly.

    Trust me, your ADT alarm system is user-friendly, and it's something you'll learn about through repetition. Once you get into the routine of disarming and setting the alarm system as you come and go, it will become second nature to you.

    Good luck.


    The tech that did the install (none / 0) (#73)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 10:44:09 PM EST
    was thoroughly professional and provide training and a practice session.

    Plus, very easy to understand written instructions.

    And yes, it is very user friendly.


    Don't be ashamed to call that phone number (none / 0) (#68)
    by Peter G on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 09:41:07 PM EST
    that they give you.  I know from experience that the ADT staff is very well trained not to laugh at you when you call and say, "I'm the owner.  My password is XXX.  I just set off the alarm [again] by accident.  Please don't call the police or I'll have to pay a fine."

    Too lengthy. I just say my name (none / 0) (#79)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 11:50:48 PM EST
    and address and password and that I messed up (again).  

    Oy! Allergies! (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 02:14:04 AM EST
    My honeymoon on allergies here in Ca seems to have officially ended. With a BAM! I should add . . . hopefully when this mini heat spurt goes away, they will calm down a bit. I was worried that my yard (blooming' fool that it is) would be a prob when I first got here, but it seemed fine. Let's hope it's still the wild grasses and NOT the yard. Or I may just be screwed on the area in general :(

    Feel better soon (none / 0) (#105)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:19:38 AM EST
    Heartfelt wishes.  You probably know the drill, but just in case Zyrtec has the best overall anti-histamine record.  Expensive though unless you buy the big bottle at Sams or from Amazon.  I'm living on the stuff right now, but the allergy shots are working so living on less of it this year.

    Thanks! I haven't tried (none / 0) (#115)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 12:47:10 PM EST
    Zyrtec yet. It's been sometime since I've had allergies this bad. Will pick some up today :)

    Apparently, (none / 0) (#1)
    by Makarov on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 10:55:31 AM EST
    Obama's SCOTUS appointees don't support Habeus Corpus just like Republican appointees.

    Bipartisanship - whenever it happens, it seems the little people lose.

    Just a suggestion, but I would love for (none / 0) (#2)
    by Anne on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 10:57:49 AM EST
    you to write about the SCOTUS denial today of all seven of the appeals filed by Gitmo detainees.  

    Lyle Denniston weighs in at ScotusBlog, writing:

    One day before the fourth anniversary of its most important ruling during the government's "war on terrorism," the Supreme Court confirmed emphatically on Monday that it is not now inclined to further second-guess the government's detention policy.  Without one noted dissent, the Court turned down seven separate appeals by Guantanamo Bay prisoners, and refused to review an appeal by U.S. citizen Jose Padilla -- one of the best-known prisoners captured as a terrorism suspect, who was complaining of torture during his detention in a Navy brig.

    The Court swiftly denied the Padilla case, on its first look, but it did not act hastily on the Guantanamo cases.   It had examined those repeatedly, very likely going over them one by one in search of possible issues it would find worthy of review, but apparently finding none.   The practical effect is that the D.C. Circuit Court now functions as the court of last resort for the 169 foreign nationals remaining at the U.S.-run military prison in Cuba, and that court has a well-established practice of overturning or delaying any release order issued by a federal judge, when the government objects.    One dissenting judge on that court has protested that the result is that there is very little left of the Supreme Court's historic ruling in Boumediene v. Bush, decided four years ago tomorrow and giving Guantanamo prisoners a legal right to challenge their continued captivity.

    "Without one noted dissent" is what stood out for me.  I'm struggling to understand the unanimous nature of the denials, and coming up with nothing that makes sense.  

    Maybe you can figure it out.

    The denials may not have been unanimous (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 11:05:07 AM EST
    All we know is there were not 4 votes to review.

    My take? Not the right time to review Boumediene may have been the calculus.


    Oh - now that I read it again, (none / 0) (#4)
    by Anne on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 11:28:03 AM EST
    "not one noted dissent," could mean that there was dissent, just nothing to write home about, and clearly in the minority.

    Do you have any thoughts on when and under what conditions it might be time to review Boumedienne?


    When we name more Dems to the Court (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 11:39:16 AM EST
    Kennedy is a dangerous weapon right now against us.

    What about Kagan? (none / 0) (#57)
    by pgupta on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 08:13:58 PM EST
    I am not a lawyer, but given that the Supreme Court sided with the Obama administration, wouldn't the inference be that Obama is a dangerous weapon right now against us?

    I wonder what the opinion of the Obama appointees was on this matter, specifically Kagan.


    Marcy Wheeler says (none / 0) (#58)
    by pgupta on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 08:22:23 PM EST
    emptywheel says at her blog:

    Um, the court with Stevens and Souter voted to guard Boumediene. The court with Soto and Kagan voted to gut it. That says either they couldn't get four people to vote to hear the cases, or those four were so sure they couldn't get a fifth they didn't take the case.

    I would suggest that Kagan, at least, also supported this decision.


    What would... (none / 0) (#6)
    by jbindc on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 01:09:57 PM EST
    a second Obama term potentially look like?

    A long article by Ryan Cilizza, but interesting nonetheless.

    That's "Lizza" not Cilizza," right? (none / 0) (#71)
    by NYShooter on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 10:27:03 PM EST
    Isn't that the same guy who wrote "The Obama Memos?" That was a good read, some really good "insider" stuff. We knocked it around here on TL, I believe.

    Anyway, I saved the article and will read it later.



    Chris Cillizza is (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 12:54:43 AM EST
    your basic Beltway pundit at Washpo.  Ryan Lizza isn't exactly Matt Taibbi, but he's a bit more insightful and less predictable, at The New Yorker.

    What the heck... (none / 0) (#7)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 01:13:40 PM EST
    happened to the Irish footballers and the Celtics?  Did the luck of the Irish turn bad all of a sudden?  

    The Irish goalie... (none / 0) (#9)
    by kdog on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 01:27:23 PM EST
    must have too much English blood in him or something, he had a rough day.  

    Blame me for the Celtics, the kdog k.o.d. was in play as I was rooting hard for them to beat the Heat.  Now it's up to the squad formerly known as the Supersonics.


    You weren't alone... (none / 0) (#13)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 01:57:02 PM EST
    in rooting for the Heat to get beat.  Although it bothers me (for stealing the Sonics), I too shall be rooting for OKC to win the title.  I think the youth and speed and the best player in the NBA will be too much for the Heat.

    At least Spain and Italy played to a draw in your Group.  All reports are that the Irish are being fun, but well behaved guests!  


    I'm not going to watch the NBA Finals. (none / 0) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 03:10:59 PM EST
    The Miami Heat, well, nuf ced --a bunch of soulless mercenaries, if there ever was one. But to put it bluntly, Clay Bennett, the Thunder's co-owner and chairman, is a turdpile.

    With a lot of help from the NBA's top leadership, Bennett royally screwed a city that had loyally supported the SuperSonics for 41 years. His agenda was transparent almost from the moment the NBA approved the sale of the team to his consortium. His statements regarding his willingness to keep the team in Seattle were disingenuous from the start, because his primary goal was to find an excuse to move the team to Oklahoma City. That whole sordid episode left a very sour taste in my mouth with regards to NBA owners and their business ethics.

    It's now being further compounded by the way they're currently trying to shake down the city of Sacramento on behalf of the Maloof brothers. Since the franchise first relocated there from Kansas City in 1984, Sacramento Kings fans have arguably been the most loyal fans in the entire league, which is quite significant given the generally sorry history of the Kings franchise and its ownership over the years.

    Sacramento residents funded and built ARCO Arena (now called Power Balance Pavilion) for the team in 1988, gave them title to the building and land, and then passed a controversial bond issue to renovate the building ten years later. Further, the Maloofs owe some $78 million to the city of Sacramento in terms of loans, etc.

    And now, to show their gratitude, the Maloofs are threatening to move the franchise to Anaheim unless they and their real estate friends are given sole development rights to the lucrative Railyards district in downtown Sacramento, which would include a publicly-funded sports arena, even as taxpayers still pay off the bonds from ARCO Arena. And their fellow NBA owners are supporting the Maloofs, save for the Buss family, who own the Lakers and don't want a third NBA team setting up shop in the greater L.A. metropolitan area.

    And I know a lot of people up in Seattle who now feel the same way about the NBA. There are an awful lot of hard feelings up there over what happened to their beloved Sonics, which will be exacerbated greatly should the Thunder beat Miami for the title.

    And for that reason, I think the NBA is going to have a difficult time re-establishing its presence in Seattle any time soon. I can practically guarantee you that no local politician is going to chance building a new arena with public monies any time soon, given that Seattle is still paying off the bonds in the extensive refurbishment of the former Seattle Coliseum (now Key Arena) for the Sonics in the mid-1990s.

    Any proposed bond issue on behalf of an NBA franchise to build a new arena at taxpayer expense will most certainly be defeated at the polls, especially if the name of NBA Commissioner David Stern is attached to it.

    The Sonics' extensive fan base in the Puget Sound region feels collectively and terribly betrayed by Stern, whom they feel colluded with Bennett from the very outset to relocate the franchise to OKC. His credibility at this point is pretty much shot with most Seattle residents and city officials, and I daresay most of them wouldn't take the time to pi$$ on him if he was on fire.

    Screw the NBA.


    boo :( (none / 0) (#14)
    by CST on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 02:03:32 PM EST
    I have been intentionally not talking about the celtics, because I wanted the good karma.  But now that it's over... sigh.  It did feel like for once everyone was rooting for them.  How could you not, unless you're from Miami or a family member?  

    Awesome show though, it was all the more fun since no one expected it.  I'm definitely rooting for Oklahoma (and Perkins!) going forward.


    Not everyone. (none / 0) (#23)
    by indy in sc on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 03:03:34 PM EST
    Admittedly, I fall in one of your explicit exclusions being that I am basically from Miami, but that said--I think the backlash against the Heat and Lebron in particular has spawned its own backlash to the point where people are rooting for Lebron to win and quiet the critics.  O.k. one person...

    Then again maybe that's all wishful thinking in my own head. ;)

    GO HEAT!!  


    I don't even (none / 0) (#28)
    by CST on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 03:18:54 PM EST
    hate LeBron.  The celtics have beaten him enough over the last few years that he gets a bit of a pass.  Plus that time his mom almost got in a fight with Paul Pierce was pretty epic.

    But I really wanted this Celtics team to win.  They're just awesome.


    My last attempt (none / 0) (#63)
    by indy in sc on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 09:21:25 PM EST
    to persuade you to root for the Heat (for today anyway) ;).

    OKC is eeee-vil!


    Go Heat! (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by DFLer on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 11:01:55 PM EST
    Astonishingly (none / 0) (#84)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 12:56:40 AM EST
    from what I read anyway, these Celtics seem to have the values and virtues/flaws of the many generations of old Celtics of yore.  The spirit of Red Auerbach apparently lives on.  Go Celts, always and forever.

    Good morning, Vietnam! (none / 0) (#17)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 02:20:15 PM EST
    BTD: "I'm sort of back, but really not. Works is piled up on my desk."

    (Sigh!) Something to look forward to.

    Anyway, it's morning only in the technical sense, because it's 1:20 a.m. Tuesday and I'm having trouble sleeping.

    We're in Nha Trang tonight, at the conclusion of the first leg of a road trip that will eventually take us to the Vietnamese royal capital of Hue. We spent this afternoon touring Cam Ranh, which one of Vietnam's two major deepwater port cities (Haiphong in the north being the other). Those of us who grew up with images of an Vietnam as a messed up war zone would be surprised to see the extent of development and modernization in the country. Amazing what a generation of peace does for a country.

    Cam Ranh Bay itself is a beautiful place. It's actually two bays, one inner and one outer, and the inner bay is ringed almost 330 degrees by mountains and hills, with one opening to the ocean. This is also the place I've seen the most traditional sampans, fishing being a primary occupation for most villagers along the coasts.

    There is also a lot of aquaculture going on here, prawns being the most common product. (One can wonder who benefits most -- the people who operate the prawn farms, or the egrets that hang out all over the place, looking for an easy meal.) Common, too, are the manmade salt flats, salt being another major product here.

    One thing that surprised me was the fact that I saw my first large statue of Ho Chi Minh today, in Cam Ranh. Without a doubt, Ho's presence still permeates the country, given the extent to which he is clearly revered as the country's founding father, and one sees his photograph hanging on walls in a lot of places.

    But it doesn't appear to be a traditional hagiographical revery, like I saw in the former Soviet Union in 1985, with statues of Nikolai Lenin on practically every third street corner, it seemed. The people's respect for Ho is more grounded. And while Vietnam is nominally a communist country, I've yet to see a single statue in the former South Vietnam. It remains to be seen whether that's the case up north. We'll see.

    Tomorrow, we head to Montagnard country, the Central Highlands and Pleiku. I'm really looking forward to that, as this os arguably the most beautiful part of Vietnam.

    Okay, I'm going to try and get some sleep. Talk to you all later. Aloha.

    You'll have an opportunity to see (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 02:33:17 PM EST
    the embalmed Ho in Hanoi!  Warning:  leave your backpack at the hotel or you will be accosted by armed soldiers.  

    Thanks for the head's up. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 03:14:15 PM EST
    I'll let everyone know, although I'm sure our tour guide will inform us of that fact.

    Our tour guide didn't. (none / 0) (#41)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 04:45:12 PM EST
    Then I'll be sure to inform ... (none / 0) (#51)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 07:30:28 PM EST
    ... everyone on our tour. There 13 of us.

    When we were in Zimbabwe 18 months ago and awaiting our flight to Johannesburg, I was very politely but firmly discouraged from taking a photo of Pres. Mugabe's plane on the tarmac at Victoria Falls Airport by a British Airways employee, who told me that while I wouldn't be arrested, my camera would be confiscated by the soldiers guarding the aircraft if they caught me doing it.

    So I waited until we boarded our aircraft, and then took a photo of his plane and all the soldiers. I also took another one right after we lifted off the runway and were well above the terminal.


    More polls and electoral college news (none / 0) (#34)
    by jbindc on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 04:26:24 PM EST
    The latest and greatest as of June 11.....

    Obama 263 Romney 240 Tied 35

    Of course, to some, this will make them think I'm shilling for Romney, even though that's delusional. Those darn facts just keep creepin' in....

    A lot of otherwise intelligent (4.00 / 3) (#35)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 04:29:37 PM EST
    people seem susceptible to that delusion..

    Maybe they should get some help then (none / 0) (#36)
    by jbindc on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 04:30:47 PM EST
    Thanks for the factual report (none / 0) (#37)
    by christinep on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 04:32:42 PM EST
    BTW, it is interesting that the report shows Michigan (16 electoral votes) as leaning Republican...on the basis of the one EPIC-MRA survey showing Obama & Romney separated by 1 point. That's good in many ways...for the press & other media because it shows a close, you-must-watch race (and keeps Michigan Dems from getting lazy.)  It is somewhat humorous, though, in that that kind of margin of one poll would usually relegate the state to "toss up."

    Colorado (none / 0) (#39)
    by jbindc on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 04:41:45 PM EST
    Is considered "Barely Democratic" based on one Rasmussen poll showing Obama ahead by 1, and Nevada "Barely Democratic" based on a month old poll by Marist showing Obama up by 2.

    Actually, there are several polls out here in CO (none / 0) (#52)
    by christinep on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 07:46:04 PM EST
    RCP (none / 0) (#102)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:59:21 AM EST
    I guess (none / 0) (#98)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 07:12:34 AM EST
    It doesn't matter that the EPIC polls in Michigan are being quoted all over the left blogosphere, or that Obama was leading in the last 2 of three of those same polls.

    But hey - it's EPIC, so you can't trust them, right?


    Not shilling for Obama (none / 0) (#42)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 04:58:37 PM EST
    Just emotionally invested in your dislike of Obama.

    I am (none / 0) (#89)
    by lentinel on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 01:06:55 AM EST
    emotionally invested in the end of the abuses, policies and general mentality of the GW Bush presidency.

    Haven't seen it yet.

    I'm not for Romney. Why would I be?

    But I see him being enabled by the rightward tilt of the incumbent.


    I like the numbers (none / 0) (#97)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 07:09:41 AM EST
    I don't like either candidate - they are pretty much the same, depsite what their acolytes say.  

    But the numbers of the race are what I find interesting.  Reading only liberal blogs and you will find how out of touch some of those readers can be compared with the rest of the country - that includes some on this blog too.  What's really interesting to watch is how some who decry and hate Fox News and its ilk have turned into the very thing they hate - not open to other ideas or interpretations, not even willing to listen to differing opinions and have adult discussions,  and they view the world with their own set of blinders on.  Now, most people around here aren't like that - but some defintiely are.

    The numbers are showing that Obama, who should be able to sit on a beach and phone the election in, is in a tougher fight than even his insiders thought.  The theme in 2009 was that the Republican Party was dead - what naivete!  It's also not surprising that one of the largest groups of voters are "former Democrats" - why is that do you think?  ALL those people are racist?  They are ALL stupid and not as enlightened as those who support Obama?  I don't think so.

    And "emotionally invested" in my dislike? LOL! What a joke - I'm reading and occasionally commenting on a blog while I work - not standing on a street corner in front of the White House protesting. But you are definitely emotionally invested in hyperbole.

    No, what drives me crazy are people who claim to be liberals who are some of the most close minded people.  


    Despite what their acolytes say (none / 0) (#100)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:49:27 AM EST
    A Naderite in our midsts.

    Yes, very clear eyed.


    As opposed to you, I guess (none / 0) (#101)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:58:46 AM EST
    No, I didn't vote for Nader.

    But it's fun watching you make cr@p up.


    You might want to consider (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by ZtoA on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 11:40:44 AM EST
    that BTD has a point.

    I like to read your comments, usually, and respect your viewpoints even when I don't agree. But you do seem to be very emotional, even angry. The last dem convention is over. The last election is over. Obama is a disappointment for many. The US is moving right at this time. Change happens and it is not always for the better. Obama cheerleaders are annoying, especially when they have a good point. Repubs are annoying...in general. OK, you don't really need to keep asserting this - its generally accepted and where it isn't it won't be.

    There are few areas where elections seem to have real consequences now. Supreme Court is one of them. A dem administration IMO would be better than a repub one. OK, not great, not ideal. I think the dem party is lucky to have 'Anne's, - idealists, to at least be reminded to clean up. And tho these are important points of view and are contrarian and therefore going against the current, the truth is that the US is a binary system.


    Well stated. In addition, maybe (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 11:44:44 AM EST
    because it is an election year, who knows:

    Obama nominates 2 lawyers for Court of Appeals


    Dream-like (none / 0) (#107)
    by christinep on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:37:29 AM EST
    Your comments, that is. When one declares, jbindc, that this President , taking the helm of government as the economy was in bloody deep decline, should have such powers as to "phone in" the election victory...well, that must be some fantastic fantasy that you had.

    Or...your statements are every bit as biased/interest based/wishful thinking as any candidate's followers ever are.  You just don't disclose it, opting instead to define the President's supporters over & yet over again as "delusional" etc.  

    We shall see how the numbers come out in November.  


    Cherry juice is done (none / 0) (#44)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 05:21:51 PM EST
    for the day.  (Yes, it takes all day to get the juice out of the cherries, at least the number of cherries we have.)  Tomorrow, jelly will be made.  And there are still enough pie cherries left to freeze for pies later.
    I'm getting too old for this canning and freezing sh!t, I swear.   :-(

    Somebody's got to do it, Zorba (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by christinep on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 07:49:51 PM EST
    If I were back East, I'd even volunteer to apprentice...for cherries.

    Hahaha! (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 08:12:17 PM EST
    It's not hard to make cherry jelly, pit cherries for freezing, etc.  It's just time-consuming (including the clean-up afterwards), and I'm not getting any younger.
    I do wonder how many of the younger generation will be learning the skills to grow, cook, process, can, freeze, etc, their own food.  My kids have been taught these skills, and many of my neighbors have taught these skills to their kids (thank you, 4-H, for all your help on this!).
    My kids also know how to use a variety of tools and do simple (and some not so simple) repairs around the house, BTW.  And to do basic maintenance on their cars, as well.
    The more we depend upon others to do things for us, the poorer we are in a lot of ways.

    Well now we know the answer (none / 0) (#45)
    by BTAL on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 05:43:06 PM EST
    BS. M (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 06:01:19 PM EST
    His comment or the (none / 0) (#48)
    by BTAL on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 06:06:18 PM EST

    "Too busy." (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 06:07:13 PM EST
    My (none / 0) (#86)
    by lentinel on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 12:59:16 AM EST
    Union, the AFofM, is urging me to vote for Obama.

    I can't understand why, in light of his non-presence in this battle in Wisconsin.

    He spurns us, and we've supposed to take it and like it and pray for him.

    With Union leadership like this, and national leadership groveling in fear, it's no wonder that the Reagan "transformation" (so admired by Obama) which began the dismantling of the Union movement is still moving full steam ahead.

    I wonder how many of us will be "too busy" to show up for him in November.


    Re Tony awards and James Earl (none / 0) (#47)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 06:05:57 PM EST
    Jones. Some theatre critics saw significance in his being.cast as immed. Past Pres. In Gore Vidal's "The Best Man."if so,what is the import of him not winning the Tony?

    Disagree with those (none / 0) (#50)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 07:07:13 PM EST
    theatre critics and, therefore see no significance in his not winning the Tony.   James Earl Jones sure deserved the nomination for best performance by an actor in a leading role,  but the casting in 'Best Man" seemed color-blind--his persona seemed more like  BIll (Bubba) Clinton. Don't know much about James Corden, but my vote would have gone to Phillip Seymour Hoffman.

    Lord Stanley returns to SoCal. (none / 0) (#69)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 09:58:18 PM EST
    The Los Angeles Kings win their first-ever NHL championship, and the exquisitely beautiful Stanley Cup that comes with it, with a 6-1 rout of the New Jersey Devils in Game 6. Now they can stand on equal footing with their crosstown rival Anaheim Ducks, who won the Cup in 2007.

    hail-Mary pass for Sandusky defense (none / 0) (#70)
    by desmoinesdem on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 10:25:01 PM EST
    Sounds like a weak argument to me:

    Jerry Sandusky's defense team filed a motion Monday that asked permission for a psychologist to testify about histrionic personality disorder, a psychiatric disorder characterized by dramatic, emotional and attention-seeking behavior.

    The former Penn State assistant football coach is charged with 52 criminal counts of sexual abuse involving 10 boys over a 15-year period. The motion was intended to discount the prosecution's argument that letters from Sandusky to the boys were not "grooming behavior" to lure them into an inappropriate sexual relationship.

    The first witness in the trial, known as Victim No. 4, said the former coach sexually abused him and sent him "creepy love letters." The defense said a psychologist will explain that the "words, tones, requests and statements" made in the letter are consistent with a person who suffers from a histrionic personality disorder, according to the motion.

    The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM, defines people with the personality disorder as having an excessive need for approval and exhibit inappropriate seductive behavior. The condition usually begins in early adulthood, and people with the condition are usually dramatic, energetic and flirtatious. "Histrionic" is a term meaning "dramatic or theatrical."
    According to Cleveland Clinic, people with the disorder usually have good social skills, but they tend to use those skills to manipulate others to make themselves the center of attention.

    Maybe they'll get lucky and some Penn State fans on the jury will hang their hats on this when holding out for acquittal--if a judge allows the testimony.

    I'm curious, what grounds could be used for excluding expert testimony regarding a defendant's alleged personality disorder?

    From (none / 0) (#72)
    by NYShooter on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 10:41:27 PM EST
    a strictly layman's perspective I doubt very much he'll have much luck using that type of defense. Granted, things don't look good for him so some unorthodox defense strategy may be forthcoming, but I would guess the judge is prepared for that. Even when more common "mental state" issues are called upon, the bar is set pretty high as to what can be used that would be helpful in his defense. The big qualifier is, "did the defendant know the difference between right and wrong, and did he know what he was doing was wrong?"

    Like I said, I'm a layman; there are plenty of lawyers here that can give you what you're looking for.


    speaking also as a lay person (none / 0) (#74)
    by desmoinesdem on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 10:45:38 PM EST
    not a mental health professional or legal expert, it seems like every child molester could claim to be suffering from some kind of mental disorder. Almost by definition you would have to have major mental health problems to abuse children in that way.

    It doesn't sound like they plan to deny the abuse occurred, so I don't know what other options the defense counsel has.


    Honestly, (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by NYShooter on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 12:07:55 AM EST
    there is no defense,

    Therefore, there are no options. That is, if we're talking about somehow reducing his sentence, should he be found guilty, and I presume, be handed a very, very long sentence.

    But, if we're talking about how , emotionally, he will do his time that's something quite different. If he's a sociopath, and never feels the pain of what he's done then he'll live out his life like others have done before him: Enter a self-induced form of coma, go through the motions of living, live like a robot, or vegetable, and that's about it.

    If, on the other hand, he somehow gets to comprehend the full measure of what he's done, then it gets tricky. Many of those kinds of people, those with a conscience, can never tolerate the pain that living with that guilt and knowledge provide. And, for many of them suicide is the answer. But, there is one other way. And, from my limited exposure to life within prisons, for them it's repentance.

    I'm not going to go into all of that, but the subject is fascinating. I'm sure Google has many stories to offer about it. Repentance is quite therapeutic, rather than having nothing to live for, it gives one a reason to continue. And, when we're talking about living out your life in a 4 x 8 ft cage anything that gives one a feeling of accomplishment, in the right direction, is a huge benefit.


    For some different spin... (none / 0) (#80)
    by DebFrmHell on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 12:00:18 AM EST
    Background music set to opera.  Older established looking gnetleman sitting in a chair holding his iPhone.  Looks to be upper class surroundings probably very urban...

    And he is talking to his phone...and the phone is talking back.  He even asks for a joke and the phone cannot remember the punch line.

    It this unintentionally and hysterically funny to anyone else but me?  Or a sad comment on society?  Bordering on Elder-abuse or what?!

    In any case, I will never go into Verizon to purchase a phone that is my sole source of entertainment and conversation...and I don't think that is what the advertisement was shooting for!

    Seriously floored that any executive would view this as brilliant marketing.  Or even marginal marketing.  Or marketing...at all.

    Older gentleman (none / 0) (#106)
    by Mr Tuxedo on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:35:07 AM EST
    Do you mean John Malkovich?

    OMD! (none / 0) (#111)
    by DebFrmHell on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 11:22:23 AM EST
    That is John M?  Asking a phone to tell him a joke?  Seriously?

    That ratchets the hilarity bar up to standards never before seen in my lifetime.  


    And I am an old broad!


    Stand Your Ground Philosophy (none / 0) (#95)
    by Leopold on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 06:04:57 AM EST
    So, am I to understand that SYG philosophy would be applicable, and applauded here, in all of the following situations:

    ~ an abused spouse with a gun feels threatened and kills their spouse?

    ~ a black guy with a gun feels threatened in a crowd of white guys and kills them?

    ~ a gay person with a gun feels threatened in any number of imagined scenarios and kills the perceived threat?

    Jeralyn (none / 0) (#96)
    by DebFrmHell on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 06:13:49 AM EST
    Do you ever sleep?  Inquiring minds want to know!  

    Passports (none / 0) (#122)
    by Sentenza on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 02:19:58 PM EST
    Here's the definition of a passport from the Immigration and Nationality Act:

    (30) The term "passport" means any travel document issued by competent authority showing the bearer's origin, identity, and nationality if any, which is valid for the admission of the bearer into a foreign country.

    If you're interested.

    So that can include a Nexus Card, a passport card, a FAST card, a SENTRI card, an enhanced driver's license, or a DSP-150.