Short Fingered Vulgarian Trump Still A Birther

Mitt Romney supporter Donald Trump (The Donald is hosting a fundraiser for Romney tonight) still a birther (via Daily Kos):

Thank you Mitt Romney for giving me an excuse to ridicule Trump one more time.

Speaking for me only

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    I really think (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by CST on Tue May 29, 2012 at 07:51:33 PM EST
    Trump is VP material.  Cmon Romney... Do it!!!

    Why does anybody pay any attention to (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by caseyOR on Tue May 29, 2012 at 07:52:50 PM EST
    this buffoon?

    To point and laugh (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 29, 2012 at 07:54:56 PM EST
    I bet you are about to get some (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue May 29, 2012 at 08:02:36 PM EST
    dissenting comments.  

    I really hope the Zimmerman threads (5.00 / 0) (#23)
    by ZtoA on Tue May 29, 2012 at 11:51:01 PM EST
    give the site some tea party birthers! I would love to hear some actual arguments for pro birtherism. I've followed it - a little - since I think it is truly odd and... well, bizarre (which I realize is redundant but the strangeness of the "issue" IS.) I want to hear an actual commenter talk about whatever they talk about. Please?

    Why don't you attend a few Tea Party meetings? (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:15:44 AM EST
    That way you would know what's on their minds.

    You might be surprised that you and they agree on some things.


    might agree but hate their methods (none / 0) (#41)
    by ZtoA on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:59:31 AM EST
    I've got a cousin who is a TPer who I'll see this summer but it can't be for me. It goes against the religious tradition I was raised in.

    Does this mean you are a birther?

    I've read various arguments about it, and being a visual person I find the idea of forgery interesting. But this is not really about forgery and all the authentications are real. Come on birthers! Its way beyond silly. For Donald it is all about attention and money. So, yeah, he deserves all the "HaHa"s he gets.


    The Tea Party is actually the Tea Parties (none / 0) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 30, 2012 at 12:55:18 PM EST
    There is no national organization. Some people in some states claim to represent some party but it's mostly "claim." In other states some Tea Parties have tried to form alliances but I know of no particular success.

    Am I a birther??? No, and I don't know any Tea Party member that is one.  But I must confess that I like to tease the more rabid Obamaians from time to time.

    OTOH we know less about Obama's formative years that we do about Joe the Plumber and although I expect them to be equally dull Joe wasn't running for President and didn't hang out with the type of people Obama did.

    In many places those actually interested in politics have stopped screaming at those they disagree with and have started concentrating on defeating the ones they don't like. I give you Utah and Indiana among others. Corker in TN will face an unexpected primary election and Alexander will undoubtedly retiree.

    So attend some meetings. Just be quiet and get a feel for where they're at. You'll find many for a single payer health care plan (not Obamacare) and many for reforming our drug laws and who vote Independent rather than a single pull of the lever for whoever the press and Internet hoodoos tell us we should support.


    You'll also find many (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by jondee on Wed May 30, 2012 at 04:01:01 PM EST
    who voted twice for Mr 30% approval rating and now call themselves Tea Partiers and "Independents" to disguise that essential sign post of cluelessness..

    And where's one shred of substantial evidence for the Tea Party being some sort of unrecognized havan for social liberals?


    As far as I can tell, (5.00 / 0) (#53)
    by Dr Molly on Wed May 30, 2012 at 07:51:52 PM EST
    most Independents are just Republicans who think they're special and different, but support the same basic policies as the wingers.

    Nope (none / 0) (#55)
    by jbindc on Thu May 31, 2012 at 07:43:51 AM EST
    Five myths about Independent Voters

    Perhaps the biggest myth about independents is that they are closet partisans or "leaners" who are independent in name only but regularly vote with one party. True, about half of independents do fit into this category, but the rest are truly independent; their allegiance swings from election to election. They are persuadable, not polarized partisans. A recent Pew Research Center poll puts the number of swing voters this year at 23 percent -- almost a quarter of the electorate.

    In 2006 independents chose Democratic House candidates over Republicans, 57 to 39 percent. But in 2008, Democrats won independent voters by only eight points and lost them by 19 points in 2010. With that kind of track record, it is impossible to say that independent voters are reliably partisan.

    I don't think (none / 0) (#57)
    by CST on Thu May 31, 2012 at 12:13:59 PM EST
    Dr. Molly was talking about who they vote for so much as what type of policy they support.

    There are plenty of blue dog democrats around.


    More from the article (none / 0) (#58)
    by jbindc on Thu May 31, 2012 at 12:37:46 PM EST
    Independent voters are more diverse in age, race, gender and income than Republican and Democratic voters. Most independents are socially liberal, fiscally responsible centrists, but some are also libertarians and far-left progressives. Sixty percent of independents say they are not aligned with a party because they agree with the Republicans on some things, such as the economy and national security, and with the Democrats on social issues.

    I think of independent voters as falling into four key constituencies: NPR Republicans who are socially moderate and fiscally conservative; America First Democrats who tend to be male and more socially conservative (formerly known as Reagan Democrats); the Facebook generation of voters younger than 35 who lean libertarian on social and economic issues; and Starbucks Moms and Dads, suburban voters who make up a huge chunk of the electorate and are reliably unpredictable.

    Seems like many, many of them are not "blue dogs".


    I find this (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by CST on Thu May 31, 2012 at 01:21:36 PM EST
    laughable: "fiscally responsible"

    Being conservative does not make you "responsible".  It just makes you conservative.

    Also there are only really 2 types, "Reagan Dems" who are socially conservative and fiscally liberal, and the ones who are socially liberal and fiscally conservative.  Libertarians are not independent, they're libertarians.


    I'll leave it to the experts (none / 0) (#60)
    by jbindc on Thu May 31, 2012 at 01:23:32 PM EST
    The washington post? (none / 0) (#61)
    by CST on Thu May 31, 2012 at 01:26:11 PM EST

    No, (none / 0) (#62)
    by jbindc on Thu May 31, 2012 at 01:52:50 PM EST
    The woman who wrote the article - a fellow at the Woodrow Wilson Center.  Someone who actually talks to voters and studies voting patterns and would have a much better grasp of the subject than you or me.

    Heh is right.


    I wasn't disagreeing with her research (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by CST on Thu May 31, 2012 at 02:43:45 PM EST
    or the information that she gathered.  I was disagreeing with her conclusions, and characterization of the groups.  Which is pure opinion, and I'm more than capable of having my own.

    I never said anything that contradicts the data on the groups she studied.  I just don't agree that a libertarian = an independent, or that being fiscally conservative makes you responsible.


    "fellow".. (none / 0) (#65)
    by jondee on Thu May 31, 2012 at 03:32:37 PM EST
    how many fellows signed on to the Project for a New American Century? How many fellows made up that coterie of neocons who swore up and down that Saddam had wmds?

    You could put a bunch of fellows in a room and they'd argue for a month about what "fiscally responsible" means.


    I wish you would stop talking about me (none / 0) (#67)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 11:01:02 AM EST

    Ah, I see that jondee has shown (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 30, 2012 at 04:18:12 PM EST
    making his usual case for hatred and disagreement.

    I mean, heaven forbid people set down and discuss political things with each other.

    I mean they could just read their respective viewpoint sources and learn soooooooo much.

    (sarcasm noted)


    "hatred". Really.. (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by jondee on Wed May 30, 2012 at 04:34:03 PM EST
    I'd call it a case for intellectual honesty.

    Though that "hatred" bit IS a pretty good example of the kind of hysterical, wild-swinging hyperbole makes that your movement so repellent to so many people.

    Now, tell us a little more about the Lost Years of Obama and this heretofore unrecognized powerful current of social liberalism in the Tea Party..



    Funny thing though (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 30, 2012 at 05:34:34 PM EST
    All your "honesty" seems to revolve around attacking me for not agreeing with you and making things up that I never said.

    It is hatred, jondee. Pure simple hatred boiling up from your soul. I know not why nor do I care but I do advise you that hatred will corrode you.


    boiling up.. (none / 0) (#50)
    by jondee on Wed May 30, 2012 at 05:43:53 PM EST
    I think you read too many of those Conan books when you were younger..

    I didn't mention anything that you "said"; merely offered my opinion about the general composition of the Tea Party, which, imo, to a lextent became a place for the hard-right that foisted Bush on us to hide out and say "don't blame me, I'm an Independent".


    "to a large extent".. (none / 0) (#51)
    by jondee on Wed May 30, 2012 at 05:44:35 PM EST
    jondee, your reputation as a person making (none / 0) (#52)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 30, 2012 at 07:50:08 PM EST
    claims about what I haven't said is engraved in stone.

    I mean, why do you want to attack?? I never address you first. You always insert yourself into a conversation with will claims.

    Please quit. It is predictable and boring.


    engraved in your frontal lobes (5.00 / 0) (#64)
    by jondee on Thu May 31, 2012 at 03:12:38 PM EST

    But that has nothing to do with the present discussion people are having here about the Tea Party.

    And I'm sticking with my assessment of the Tea Party as predominantly a "new movement" for the people who foisted the Bush train wreck on us to hide out in.

    Not that that description fits anyone posting on THIS thread..


    Stick with whatever (none / 0) (#66)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 10:58:45 AM EST
    My point was go sit down. Talk with each other.

    But your radicalism won't permit that.


    radicalism.. (none / 0) (#68)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 03:21:29 PM EST
    like people who say we should abolish the EPA and pull out of the U.N..

    All that hatred of clean air and water and international cooperation just boiling up to the surface..


    I think it's the hair. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 29, 2012 at 08:38:49 PM EST
    The Donald looks like he commissioned the same stylist who was responsible for that thing inhabiting the top of former Congressman Jim Traficant's noggin.

    The Donald looks like (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Mr Tuxedo on Tue May 29, 2012 at 11:49:36 PM EST
    he trapped his hair under his own sink.

    I wanna (Ivana) see his hair in a stiff NYC breeze (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by scribe on Tue May 29, 2012 at 08:00:56 PM EST
    so we can all find out just how long it has to be to wrap that many times around his head.  He should just give it up, get a rug made, and be done with it.

    But he's a buffoon and can't help being one, so....

    and mr. trump thanks you, (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by cpinva on Tue May 29, 2012 at 08:53:54 PM EST
    for giving him more free publicity.

    do you seriously believe he cares one way or the other about pres. obama's birth place? not hardly likely, except to the extent he can use it to garner free air time, and news articles about himself and his brand. that's what he's pretty much all about, and the only color he cares about is green.

    i'm surprised at you BTD, for so easily falling for his schtick.

    Hey every time Trump is on the air (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by ruffian on Wed May 30, 2012 at 06:05:16 AM EST
    pushing Romney and other insanities, Romney looks like more of a buffoon by contact.

    go Donald go.


    On the news this morning (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 30, 2012 at 06:08:39 AM EST
    They had a photo of Romney getting off his plane and in the background behind the steps is the Trump jet sitting there with a big ole TRUMP painted on it.  Pretty funny!

    Yes, I think we should thank Trump (none / 0) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 30, 2012 at 09:24:23 AM EST
    for giving us an opportunity to ridicule Romney.

    Does anyone (none / 0) (#37)
    by jbindc on Wed May 30, 2012 at 09:57:04 AM EST
    even really pay attention to what Trump says? Or do most people just roll their eyes and go on with their day?

    That's about it (none / 0) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:17:40 AM EST
    But he does a public service for the Democrats by allowing them to vent and feel good after doing so.



    Good to know (none / 0) (#56)
    by sj on Thu May 31, 2012 at 11:03:20 AM EST
    that he's not completely worthless.

    And the same photo (none / 0) (#45)
    by Mr Tuxedo on Wed May 30, 2012 at 02:52:33 PM EST
    ran nonstop all afternoon yesterday on MSNBC. I know because I was visiting an 88-year-old man whose entire day consists of watching MSNBC and CNN.

    Bingo! (none / 0) (#33)
    by Robot Porter on Wed May 30, 2012 at 08:30:13 AM EST
    As someone who has done my share of professional marketing, this is pure win for Trump.  

    In fact, getting liberals worked up about this does most of his work for him.  That's what he wants and needs to happen.


    Trump is living proof (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by Payaso on Tue May 29, 2012 at 10:07:33 PM EST
    that rich people aren't smarter than everyone else.

    No, but they get more opportunities (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by andgarden on Tue May 29, 2012 at 11:20:23 PM EST
    to make fools of themselves on national television.

    Donald isn't that rich, by the way. Just tacky enough to look that way from an uninformed distance. :D


    As someone said on the Young Turks (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by ruffian on Wed May 30, 2012 at 06:01:12 AM EST
    Trump is one bankruptcy judge away from doing infomercials.

    You mean to say (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by Zorba on Wed May 30, 2012 at 09:16:02 AM EST
    that The Apprentice isn't an infomercial?  You could have fooled me!   ;-)

    Especially those (none / 0) (#26)
    by cal1942 on Wed May 30, 2012 at 01:40:02 AM EST
    like Trump who inherited his 'leg up.'

    But we can really indict the whole class.


    So, let's see... (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by HighlyAdequate on Wed May 30, 2012 at 12:54:05 AM EST
    Today there was a major article in the Times on how Obama has implemented a "kill list", which includes American citizens at Obama's discretion, and for which Obama has designated himself alone as the decider, without any outside review, of whether an individual is to be assassinated, trampling on the Constitution in ways Bush only dreamed of, and the important news we should focus on is that Trump still is a "birther"?

    Ha, ha! That Trump is such a buffoon, distracting people with stupid irrelevancies! Ha ha! And that hair! Ha ha!

    Yeah but Axlerod is setting in (none / 0) (#40)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:20:16 AM EST
    to make sure there's no politics involved.



    How wrong is it (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by DebFrmHell on Wed May 30, 2012 at 12:18:50 PM EST
    that I always read that name as "Axl Rose?"



    What do Bob Dylan, Pat Summitt, (none / 0) (#2)
    by Peter G on Tue May 29, 2012 at 07:52:37 PM EST
    John Paul Stevens, and Toni Morrison have in common? The Presidential Medal of Freedom. I hear the chimes of freedom flashing.

    Sacriligious (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 29, 2012 at 07:55:44 PM EST
    to mention those 3 in a Trump post. But I forgive you your sin Peter.

    I realized I was venturing into venial sin (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Peter G on Tue May 29, 2012 at 08:08:13 PM EST
    at least, but there was no open thread today, and I couldn't resist.

    Is Dylan in ill health? (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Tue May 29, 2012 at 08:10:01 PM EST
    He is 71 (none / 0) (#21)
    by Mr Tuxedo on Tue May 29, 2012 at 11:48:51 PM EST
    In other words, he's fine, if you don't ask about the details.

    4 (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 29, 2012 at 07:56:07 PM EST
    Big Ticket Dem... (none / 0) (#13)
    by DebFrmHell on Tue May 29, 2012 at 09:14:47 PM EST
    I think I am developing a HUGE crush on you.

    I love the way you write...  and not just because I agree with you most of the time, either!

    Thanks for making politics worth reading again.

    It's Big Tent Democrat, (none / 0) (#14)
    by caseyOR on Tue May 29, 2012 at 09:58:23 PM EST
    not big ticket.  :-)

    Ha. Do you suppose that matters? (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by oculus on Tue May 29, 2012 at 10:47:38 PM EST
    Not when you're crushing (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 30, 2012 at 05:51:24 AM EST
    Fortuitous DK radio (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Wed May 30, 2012 at 08:54:50 AM EST
    is launching soon--I guess.

    Apparently (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by DebFrmHell on Tue May 29, 2012 at 10:54:30 PM EST
    I knew that...I was just checking to see if anyone was paying attention!

    My "crush" has impeded my ability to read...and ypte trihg.


    I feel like a goober....


    Don't fret, DebFrmhell (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by DFLer on Wed May 30, 2012 at 08:46:59 PM EST
    I don't think "goobers" can survive the heat of hades, so you're NOT a goober.

    NYT concludes Trump stole the (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Tue May 29, 2012 at 11:35:46 PM EST
    show from Romney on the day he clinched.  

    The "Trump trumped Romney" story (none / 0) (#20)
    by Mr Tuxedo on Tue May 29, 2012 at 11:47:27 PM EST
    Big news in the beltway, apparently. But are real people even paying attention (that is, people who have something else to do all day besides glue themselves to MSNBC/Fox)? This is classic campaign-year "inside baseball" silliness, brought to you by a few fools on TV.

    While most everyone here is speculating (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Wed May 30, 2012 at 12:06:20 AM EST
    about Zimmerman prosecution.  

    It has taken over morning news (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 30, 2012 at 05:52:15 AM EST
    The Donald trumps Romney

    Yes (none / 0) (#44)
    by Mr Tuxedo on Wed May 30, 2012 at 02:50:20 PM EST
    That is pretty much my point, whether it's MSNBC/Fox or the morning "news."

    Particularly disgusting (none / 0) (#27)
    by cal1942 on Wed May 30, 2012 at 01:43:09 AM EST
    is CNN's streamer headline.