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It's The Tax Policy, Stupid

In a column arguing for short term stimulus, Peter Orzag writes:

When policy makers put in place measures carefully designed to reduce the federal deficit in the future, most of them happen. This is a good thing, since enacting more stimulus today and more deficit reduction to take effect later is exactly what the U.S. needs. It’s also what makes the ongoing jobs-versus-austerity debate so frustrating. What we really need is to be bolder on both jobs and austerity, by pursuing a combination policy.

Those who are most concerned about the weak labor market should be most willing to do whatever it takes -- including combining delayed budget cuts with stimulus -- to get the most stimulus passed. And those who favor a combined approach shouldn’t be characterized (as I have been) as pro-austerity and anti-stimulus.[...] [Emphasis supplied.]

Someone hurt Peter Orzag's fee fees. A couple of points: Orzag is arguing for "maximum stimulus now." Where was he in January 2009? Second, his statement about spending cuts in the social safety net is true. But tax increases for deficit reduction NEVER survive. It's funny how to Orzag, the Clinton tax increase of 1993, the most important deficit reduction measure of the last 25 years, is not even worth a mention. Of course we know why, it undermines his argument. THAT deficit reduction measure did not hold. Taxes were cut twice during the Bush Administration. So Orzag says we should agree with him to cut spending in the future for more spending now. But what about the Bush tax cuts?

Sorry Mt. Orzag, you are pro-austerity and pro cutting the social safety net. It's what you don't write about that proves it to me - tax policy.

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    Also, you can (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by dk on Wed May 23, 2012 at 12:27:14 PM EST
    have spending cuts in healthcare by moving to single payer (medicare for all).  Spending cuts without cuts in quality of care.  Somehow, though, I doubt that's what Orzag is talking about.

    I'm so glad (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 23, 2012 at 10:10:17 AM EST
    that you are posting on politics again BTD!!!

    Yeah, where was this guy in 2009? Seem like just another example of how the beltway is out of touch with the average American.

    I think if Obama loses reelection it can all be traced back to the deal he signed with the GOP in December of 2010.

    The Beltway (none / 0) (#37)
    by cal1942 on Thu May 24, 2012 at 09:31:28 PM EST
    isn't just out of touch with the average American.

    The Beltway is out of touch with all reality.

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    Also, see AP re CBO report: (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Wed May 23, 2012 at 10:21:14 AM EST
    CBO warns of US falling off 'fiscal cliff'


    The economy would contract 1.3% (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 23, 2012 at 10:43:32 AM EST
    in the first half, and then rebound 2.3% in the second half.

    The problem of allowing the rich to never get hungry, is that they don't need any new profits so they create nothing....they just sit on their pile of money and buy elections like the overlords they have been allowed to become.  When the rich must compete again in the real world with the rest of us real worlders, that is when our economy will heal.

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    Ah the world of fantasy (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Dadler on Wed May 23, 2012 at 11:21:10 AM EST
    It is impossible for a sovereign nation that mints its own currency to fall off any "financial cliff."  It can only happen if we choose to leap off.  And that only happens for one reason: if those in power want to treat those not in power like sh*t. Nothing more, nothing less. The soundness of a fiat economy is based literally on how well or not well human beings treat their fellow human beings.  That's the entirety of it.  All the rest, as the old rabbi said, is commentary.

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    "Marching towards the cliff" (none / 0) (#7)
    by NYShooter on Wed May 23, 2012 at 11:28:55 AM EST
    Is the phrase being used for the double whammy due at the end of the year: The expiration of the Bush tax cuts and the spending cuts/austerity programs.


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    That contraction will probably EAT (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 23, 2012 at 10:47:39 AM EST
    the bloated unreality based stock market though.

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    Leading to reduced incomes for those (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Anne on Wed May 23, 2012 at 11:41:26 AM EST
    drawing from retirement accounts based on a formula that uses as one of its variables the value of the account at the end of the calendar year.  If the market's down, the annual amount is less; you can take out more, but then you're reducing the ability of the account to grow - downward, vicious circle.

    If the already-sluggish market performance continues through the summer and into the fall, there are going to be a lot of nervous retirees heading into the end of the year - not to mention a lot of people forced to give up on the idea of retiring soon because they can't afford it.

    I just don't see this going anywhere good.

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    Nope (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 23, 2012 at 11:47:58 AM EST
    It's going to happen one way or the other though that the bloated fluff is going to come out of the market.  All the more reason we cannot gut Social Security and safety net programs.  We need to spend more money on those.

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    And the credit default swaps will spew (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 23, 2012 at 10:50:32 AM EST
    Peter Orzag's polemicized (none / 0) (#8)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 23, 2012 at 11:36:09 AM EST
    contribution says it all with ...."if it is combined with future budget cuts",  illustrated by naming social security and Medicare as examples.   While it would not be expected of the vice chair of global banking for Citigroup, to suggest new revenues such as by not treating carried interest as capital gains, it would have been thoughtful to have considered something other than cuts to social safety nets.

    But, this seems to be in our bipartisan future: Pete Peterson's hugely funded obsession with entitlements (aka social safety net) is beginning to pay off.  At the "fiscal summit" last week, hosted by Peterson Foundation, even Bill Clinton was beginning to sound like "Catfood Bill" when he said: "our party's problem is, we are always reluctant to give up the gains of the past to create the future.  Democrats are reluctant to commit to longer-term health-care savings; they don't want to touch social security."

    ugh (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by sj on Wed May 23, 2012 at 01:27:55 PM EST
    "our party's problem is, we are always reluctant to give up the gains of the past to create the future.  Democrats are reluctant to commit to longer-term health-care savings; they don't want to touch social security."
    Well, duh!  Of course we don't want to give up the gains of the past.  Giving them up is backsliding.  That isn't a future I want to live in.  I'm pretty sure that the wherewithal to create longer-term savings does not have to come at the expense of the "saved".

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    Agreed. (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 23, 2012 at 02:54:22 PM EST
    To create the future means, to me, not only our legacy, but also, our present.  And, in the case of social security, the present should reveal that income shifts have occurred above the $107,000 per year cap.  Increasing the cap seems a better way to preserve the gains of the past, recognize the present income trends,  and, then,  provide for the future of the program.

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    Yes, and none of us are against this that (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 23, 2012 at 03:05:21 PM EST
    I know of

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    I know (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 23, 2012 at 03:04:22 PM EST
    Disgustingly putrid.....we are proving difficult in creating the future what?

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    caseyOR's plan to fix the deficit and save (5.00 / 7) (#18)
    by caseyOR on Wed May 23, 2012 at 05:00:06 PM EST
    entitlements:

    1. Let the Bush tax cuts expire. Oh look, we just cut the deficit by half.

    2. Have Medicare negotiate drug prices just like the VA and every insurance company does. Oh look, we just saved half a billion dollars in Medicare spending.

    3. Raise the FICA cap so that 90% of earned income pays into SS, just like we did during the Reagan years. Oh look, we just saved Social Security for the 21st century.

    4. Put people back to work so that they are once again paying taxes and contributing to FICA. Oh look, now we can fix our infrastructure and create even more jobs and collect more in taxes.

    When are people going to wake up and let me run the country?


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    I'd vote for you (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by jbindc on Wed May 23, 2012 at 05:06:41 PM EST
    heck - I'd even work on your campaign.

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