Tuesday Morning Open Thread

I'm speculating J will write some stuff today. No sourcing,

Update (TL):: Just shows how important it is to source speculations. I'm busy at work, nothing from me for a while.

Open Thread.

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    J dinged me! (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:09:41 PM EST
    Very funny.

    I thought it was funny too (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:05:52 PM EST
    and couldn't resist!:)

    Do you have eyes in the back of (none / 0) (#76)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 06:57:41 PM EST
    yourof your head?

    Happy Birthday, Barbra Streisand! (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:09:35 PM EST
    My favorite diva turns 70 today.

    One of my all-time guiltiest screen pleasures is watching Barbra do schtick in Peter Bogdanovich's 1972 screwball comedy, What's Up, Doc? -- which also marked Madeline Kahn's film debut.

    I remember as a kid watching (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by brodie on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:50:03 PM EST
    one of her first tv appearances on The Judy Garland Show ca 1963, Judy and Barbra doing a duet.

    I also had the privilege of seeing her in concert in late spring  1972 at the Fabulous Forum, where she followed solo performances by Carole King and James Taylor.  Her part was made into a live album (title I forget, but the cover is a drawing of the then long-haired Streisand in her prime).  Concert was a fundraiser for George McGovern who appeared onstage at the end to a huge ovation.

    High water mark for the McG campaign.  About 6 weeks later all the positive mo unraveled at the chaotic Dem Convention and all the efforts of Barbra, James and Carole went for naught.


    Yep, you're referring to (none / 0) (#94)
    by shoephone on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 11:49:55 PM EST
    this album.

    The year before, she released "Barbra Joan Streisand" which had a couple of Carole King songs on it. If I'm not mistaken, the cool trivia from that one is that a young Donald Fagen played organ on the session.


    Here is that duet. It's from the Oct. 9, 1963 (none / 0) (#97)
    by caseyOR on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 01:49:19 AM EST
    That is one of the few movies from (none / 0) (#96)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 01:35:35 AM EST
    my adolescence that I have a clear memory of going to see. My mom and at least some of my siblings and I were on some kind of weekend trip or something, which seems odd because we had so few of those. Maybe down to Springfield for the state fair. Anyway, we went and saw What's Up Doc? one afternoon and all just howled. It was always such fun to have a good time with my mom. I have not seen it since - afraid it would not seem as funny as in my memory.

    My most guilty Barbra pleasure - her album with Barry Gibb "Guilty".  Had it on cassette in the 80's and must have belted out 'Women in Love' a zillion times in the car.

    In addition to her storied career, her luck at finding love later in life is an inspiration!

    Happy Birthday Babs!


    Report: Saints GM Mickey Loomis eavesdropped on opposing coaches

    According to ESPN, Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis had a device in his Superdome suite that allowed him to listen in on the game-day communications of opposing coaching staffs and did so in his first three seasons in New Orleans -- 2002-04 -- before the device was dismantled in 2005.

    Did Loomis ever work with Belichick?

    Hmmmm. Watergate revisited. (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:00:27 PM EST
    Obama (none / 0) (#2)
    by CST on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 01:37:18 PM EST
    still cleaning up the youth vote.  Interestingly, he's actually doing better with older "youth" 25-29 than younger "youth" 18-24.  That's not to say the younger ones are going for Romney, that drop-off still amounts to a 12 point lead, rather than the 23 point lead seen in the older half.

    Either way this is a demographic time-bomb for the GOP.  Especially since it's not going away as the youth get older.

    Continue talking about birth control, abortion, deny climate change, and yammer on intelligent design please.  I can't tell you how backwards it all sounds.  You will only dig yourselves further and further into this hole.  Welcome to the future Santorum, et, al.  Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

    Actually his support is down (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 05:32:41 PM EST
    substantially among the youth vote - from 66% in 2008 to 43% now.  Not in any way a good sign for Pres. Obama.

    Yep, there's the enthusiasm (none / 0) (#91)
    by brodie on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 10:05:08 PM EST
    problem and also the GOP vote registration suppression problem in several key states.  

    It would be tough enough for the O campaign to manage the above board matters of GOTV and the Romney camp trying to put a dent in the youth vote by coming out in favor of extending the low interest rates on student loans.  But the GOP rarely miss an election trick and so O also has to overcome local Repub vote suppression laws.

    Yes, I am getting pessimistic about Dems holding onto the WH.  I'm already preparing myself psychologically for a depressing November and I don't see Obama being able to overcome all the negative factors and factions lined up against him.  Not in this economy.


    For the first time (none / 0) (#92)
    by NYShooter on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 11:11:22 PM EST
     in quite a while we are in realistic danger of  Armageddon: House, Senate & W.H.

    A long shot, maybe, but not that long.

    Wonder if it'll take 60 R Senators to pass anything?


    I am glad (none / 0) (#102)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:01:24 AM EST
    you are calling it what it is: complete disaster.

    Hate Obama and hate the dems.  You would still be doing the country a service by voting for them if for no other reason than to avoid complete GOP control of fed government.

    There is a difference between the parties and it is real.


    Maybe a quick review of yesterday's events (none / 0) (#114)
    by christinep on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 01:35:32 PM EST
    In Boulder CO & Chapel Hill NC will cheer you up, Brodie. The huge and repeated ovations/exclamations/applause and all-around cheering for the President at Colorado University last night was described in the Denver Post as "wildly cheering" with "palpable" emotion.  I suspect that it is better than you think...a lot better.

    POTUS not popular among the youth? (none / 0) (#105)
    by Farmboy on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 11:08:27 AM EST
    I'll just leave this here. video link

    Just from (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 01:54:57 PM EST
    personal observation I would say that the younger voters are disillusioned with Obama. Most of them won't be bothering to vote this fall I would imagine.

    I think you see that here (none / 0) (#20)
    by CST on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:26:06 PM EST
    In the numbers.  One of the reasons, imo, why the older youth are still onboard is that our expectations were lower to begin with.

    That being said, I'm also seeing a lot of my more conservative former classmates speaking out on the santorumisation of the GOP.  Romney isn't santorum, but he's not running away from it either.   Self preservation is a powerful motive.  Hopefully we've learned the lesson from 06.  The stakes also feel higher and realer for young people than they were in 08.   And I think a lot of unemployed 23 year olds are well aware of that.


    problem is (none / 0) (#30)
    by TeresaInPa on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:50:27 PM EST
    they are not very excited about voting.  It's not the "thing to do" this year. And they also realized, they aren't the ones they've been waiting for.

    speaking of speculation (none / 0) (#38)
    by CST on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:04:53 PM EST
    without sourcing :)

    Personally, I think you guys are seriously underestimating the level of caring right now.  But only time will tell.

    Also, for more long-term trajectory, my main point was that the GOP message is dying.  And eventually, the youth will get older.  It doesn't seem, right now, that they are getting more conservative as that happens.  In fact, it's trending the opposite way.  And the more the republicans go bat$hit on these issues, the more they are going to lose us for good.

    Take the "war on women" for example.  You know who's really p*ssed off at the crazy talk surrounding birth control?  All the straight 20-something boys I know.


    If the Democrats (none / 0) (#67)
    by NYShooter on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 05:45:00 PM EST
    would simply lay out for the American people what America would look like under a Romney/Ryan/Norquist budget, it would be landslide time for Obama.

    Problem with that is: what will Obama do with that mandate?

    Stay tuned....


    Yep (none / 0) (#40)
    by jbindc on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:06:45 PM EST
    Something 65% of tbat age group was excited and voted last time.  Now only something like 40%-45% are.

    Even the administration knows it's going to be a tough fight - with a majority of college kids coming out un or under employed.  That's why he's hitting college towns today to talk about lowering the interest on student loans. (Romney agrees with him, by the way).


    Source (none / 0) (#46)
    by jbindc on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:17:50 PM EST
    The Hill

    The campaign "needs the youth vote now more than ever," said one former senior administration official. "While we know support is still strong,we're not taking anything for granted."

    Senior administration officials backed that premise on Monday by saying that winning over younger voters,in what they think will be a close election,is going to be difficult. At the same time,the officials said they believed they will have the winning recipe when voters hit the polls in November --especially because of their economic message.

    Obama leads presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney 60 percent to 34 when it comes to the youth vote,according to a recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll. But Obama's enthusiasm has taken a nosedive,the poll shows. In 2008,63 percent of 18- to 34-year-olds took a big interest in the election. Four years later,45 percent have the same level of interest,reflecting the most sizable drop in one of the major voting groups.

    The falling poll numbers come as data compiled by The Associated Press show that 53 percent of college graduates are unemployed or currently have a job that doesn't meet their qualifications.

    Romney trumpeted those figures Monday during a campaign stop,saying that young people are "questioning" the support they gave Obama in 2008.

    "I saw a report this morning that just about half of all the kids coming out of college can't find work or are underemployed," he said in Pennsylvania. "Can you imagine?"

    Obama,who missed two votes on the legislation when he was a senator in 2007, wants to use the prospect of higher student loans as a wedge issue against Romney. Under existing law,legislation that keeps interest rates on federally subsidized student loans at 3.4 percent will expire in July,causing interest rates to double for 7 million students. Obama is urging Congress to extend the low rates by way of legislation.

    do we know (none / 0) (#49)
    by CST on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:28:52 PM EST
    what the actual turnout was?

    I read your first comment as 65% turned out to vote and thought that was really high.  In other words, if 65% enthused = 30% turnout, than it makes sense that 45% enthused would be roughly 20% turnout.  Or something comparable.  Just wondering.

    One other thing to consider, that I feel like often goes forgotten, is that these aren't necessarily the same people.  The "youth vote" gets 4 years worth of new people every presidential election year.  And the older ones go into another demographic.  What was encouraging to me about the other poll is that the disparity gets bigger as people get older, and are therefore more likely to vote.


    You're right (none / 0) (#54)
    by jbindc on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:41:48 PM EST
    Obama won 65% of the youth vote in 2008 - he won by 34 points.  But the "youth vote" wasn't really any bigger than any other election in modern history - about 18% of the total electorate in 2008 was between 18-29.

    My brain is working faster than my typing today.

    But the fact remains that while he still leads Romney with the 18-29 year olds, their support and enthusiasm is not nearly as strong, mostly because of the economy and, to a lesser extent, the "new car smell" has worn off.  His big challenge will be getting them to the polls.


    Student loan interest rates should do it. (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 07:34:44 PM EST
    The (none / 0) (#78)
    by lentinel on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 07:10:55 PM EST
    new car smell wore off, and the old smell of the war in Afghanistan lingers on.

    Practicality aside (none / 0) (#3)
    by CST on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 01:44:15 PM EST
    This is pretty awesome.

    "At least two start-up companies are putting money and impressive names in science, business and even entertainment behind the theory that platinum and other precious metals can be mined out of this world and brought back to Earth to become parts of our cell phones and other important electronic devices."

    ""Ripping up the Earth's crust not only is terribly intrusive from an environmental point of view, but it's actually really expensive and really hard. Why not go to the source?" he is quoted as saying."

    Josh will be all over this (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 01:58:45 PM EST
    I've tried to talk him into going into chemical engineering.  Today, I visited his class because it is Grandparents Day and he doesn't have grandparents here and nobody that we know could take off work and be his replacement.  Because he is so laid up the school allowed me to cheat.

    Another mom showed up though too, a new family here, and we were talking. Her whole family is chemical engineers.  I pointed that out to Josh and he got PO'd at me.  Says he wants to do something having to do with space but NASA is letting him down.  Says he's moving to Russia :)


    I have to meet this kid. He's a little spitfire!! (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Angel on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:05:30 PM EST
    When I walked in (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:14:26 PM EST
    His class was preparing to give this skit on the water cycle.  Josh is sitting in a wheelchair with a sign that he hung off of the halo traction pinned to his head that says "Sewage Processing Plant".

    Josh really had not been able to rehearse for this skit, and another boy was going to be the Sewage Processing Plant but he had to go to the dentist.  But he did well with his two or three lines.

    What a thing to walk into though.  And the little girl in Josh's class who is autistic is not afraid to speak in front of crowds like the rest of her classmates.  Her lines were at least 1/3 of the skit, she never missed a cue, there was never a pregnant pause while she was screwing up her courage.  What a hoot!  What a day!

    I brought the sign home though.  No reason to let a good sign go to waste like that.  I put it on his bedroom door.


    Tell him NASA is not the only way anymore (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:12:51 PM EST
    in the US. Look into SpaceX, a private company, albeit with government contracts.

    PS - we can't lose that kid to the competition ;-) (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:13:27 PM EST
    Ripped from the pages of science fiction (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:46:10 PM EST
    I think it was in the 30's that this became a fairly standard plot/scene...

    And that physics teacher who gave me an F for my paper on orbiting satellites must be around somewhere for me to flip her the bird...  


    That's a massively ambitious (none / 0) (#51)
    by brodie on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:32:14 PM EST
    undertaking by Cameron et al, but we badly need people doing such bold things these days in this era of political timidity and gov'l austerity.  It also seems like a smart thing to be taking our valuable metals from offplanet sources rather than undermining (pni) the geological integrity of our home planet.  

    Yes, I'm one of those Gaia types who believes the recent theory that exploiting at least the fossil fuels for energy and transportation needs is already resulting in increased earthquake activity in those heavily exploited areas.  We'll probably also eventually discover (when it's almost too late ) the various Earth-protecting features of valuable metals in place, such as perhaps decreasing the destructive potential of lightning strikes, among other things.  We tend to recklessly exploit first, then only many years later do we tend to explore the wisdom of what we're doing.  Especially with billions of dollars at stake.  Greedy stupid species we are.


    The Tao of Wooderson (none / 0) (#4)
    by Dadler on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 01:53:10 PM EST
    And then there was "Slacker." (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:04:20 PM EST
    Reminds me of everything that inspired (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:08:21 PM EST
    my feminism and the quest for it :)

    This reminds me of someone: (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:19:48 PM EST
    Wooderson: Man, it's the same bullshit they tried to pull in my day. If it ain't that piece of paper, there's some other choice they're gonna try and make for you. You gotta do what Randall Pink Floyd wants to do man. Let me tell you this, the older you do get the more rules they're gonna try to get you to follow. You just gotta keep livin' man, L-I-V-I-N.

    yup (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:21:57 PM EST
    to a tee

    No segue. How would you respond (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:23:33 PM EST
    if a journalism student asked to make a documentary about Josh?  

    Good luck with that :) (5.00 / 5) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:27:19 PM EST
    He wants to go on Colbert.  I told him to write the guy.  Tell him your situation, pull the my dad is a soldier card.  I think he just wants to hang out on the set or something for a week and see how its done.  He loves Steven Colbert.

    Henry David Thoreau? (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:27:38 PM EST
    "Any fool can make a rule, and every fool will mind it."

    Or maybe Charlie Buk?

    "The problem was you had to keep choosing between one evil or another, and no matter what you chose, they sliced a little bit more off you, until there was nothing left. At the age of 25 most people were finished. A whole god-damned nation of a$$holes driving automobiles, eating, having babies, doing everything in the worst way possible, like voting for the presidential candidates who reminded them most of themselves. I had no interests. I had no interest in anything. I had no idea how I was going to escape. At least the others had some taste for life. They seemed to understand something that I didn't understand. Maybe I was lacking. It was possible. I often felt inferior. I just wanted to get away from them. But there was no place to go."

    C'mon Oc don't leave us hanging?


    oculus quoting Dazed and Confused... (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:43:41 PM EST
    makes me smile for some reason.

    Slacker was a better movie though. (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:55:09 PM EST
    I liked Dazed better... (none / 0) (#36)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:02:42 PM EST
    because it depeicted my HS experience pretty darn well.  

    Plus, Joey Lauren Adams, Milla Jovovich and Parker Posey.


    Actually, "Clerks" was the best. (none / 0) (#41)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:09:04 PM EST
    The Tao of Silent Bob... (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:14:53 PM EST
    "You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you."

    One of my old classmates (none / 0) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:18:31 PM EST
    recently told me to not cheat on my husband because he is a good one.  OMG....what is with some dudes.  I never dated him.  I went to a Homecoming dance with him and I lied that I was recovering from strep throat and was too tired to stay later and needed to go home.  And then I drove to the big town and went to a big party.  That isn't cheating!  That is being an a$$hole, but it isn't cheating!

    As they say in Catholic school, MT: (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 08:10:42 PM EST
    "Good girls go to heaven. Bad girls go everywhere else."

    Whatever you say.... (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:31:17 PM EST
    Caitlin Bree;) j/k

    Seriously...I, for one, would appreciate a let me down gently lie like that.  Brutal honesty is not always the best policy...white lies make the world go 'round.


    I was horrible to him (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:39:36 PM EST
    I would not have admitted that then though.  I can't help it if he can't get invited to the cool parties.  I can't help it if he was such a goody goody he didn't even really know how to party.

    Then in college I'm all partied out, and that whole crowd of guys from my college prep courses lost their minds and blew untold parental savings.  Oh, but when I'm rolling in on a Wednesday senior high school year with a hangover tsk tsk tsk....Tracy is bad, she is some kind of sinner.

    He is now a lawyer (he he), and apparently I'm a big cheater. No sir, I'm a big liar who figured out how to leave that boring dance early and not even have to kiss you goodnight (and an a$$hole too)....not a big cheater though :)


    OT, Occulus, but... (none / 0) (#44)
    by Dadler on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:15:43 PM EST
    ...I was wondering if you'd have any tips on finding out what this chap (link) ended up being sentenced to. I've been searching around, but can't find a thing?  Any ideas? (BTW, he's an old schoolmate.)

    I couldn't find anything on the sentencing. (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:26:46 PM EST
    But-- is this the same fellow?  sacbee

    No, that's his dad (none / 0) (#68)
    by Dadler on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 06:02:34 PM EST
    My buddy is his son.  Quite the family.  I told the story before, but I remember Jr. driving me around in a Corvette when we were both about 13. He was so brazen, I swear he even pulled into a gas station and got full service. Priceless adolescent moments. Don't read this, Ma.

    LOL! Reminds me of the time ... (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 06:20:16 PM EST
    ... growing up in Pasadena when I was 15, and told my mother that my friends and I were going to the beach, which we were -- except that I conveniently forgot to mention that the beach we were going to was down in San Diego.

    I told my mother years later, and she just laughed, and recounted to me the time when she was a 14-year-old in Pasadena, and told her mother that she was going out for the day to visit her best friend, which she was -- except she didn't tell her that she was catching the train to Santa Barbara to do it.

    Good thing Grandma never found out, 'cause she'd have killed her. She loved to indulge her grandchildren, but as I learned later, she was extraordinarily strict with her own kids.

    Teens will be teens.


    "My buddy" isn't accurate, of course (none / 0) (#69)
    by Dadler on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 06:04:11 PM EST
    Haven't talked to the guy in 30 years now.

    You ask, I deliver (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Dadler on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:04:01 PM EST
    I loved "Dazed & Confused." (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 08:24:23 PM EST
    I guess I saw myself in Mitch, the 15-year-old freshman ball player who was trying to flex his wings, be like all the cool kids and stay out all night. And just like Mitch, my mother didn't really appreciate that stunt, either -- even though I  only stayed out until 2:00 a.m.

    McConaughy b/4 he was "someone." (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:14:36 PM EST
    Affleck, too (none / 0) (#45)
    by Dadler on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:16:41 PM EST
    Never better than as O'Bannon in D&C.

    The good old days... (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:19:21 PM EST
    before "To Catch a Predator";)

    Had to look up that one. (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:25:26 PM EST
    I hate that show (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:28:06 PM EST
    I know people are fascinated by it, but I always want to throw up.

    Never watched myself.... (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:32:29 PM EST
    it is vomit inducing...but I don't know what's worse, the dudes with the impure thoughts or the "professionals" out goading them into acting on said thoughts.  Probably the latter.



    Let Me Revise... (none / 0) (#58)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:51:52 PM EST
    ...or the "professionals" out goading them into acting on said thoughts for ratings, aka dollars...

    If only they were doing it for the benefit of humanity, I might be inclined to give them a pass, but doing it for cash is just as despicable.

    They want/need them to act for the professionals own self interest.  Without them they would over at Inside Edition cracking the case of whose boobs are real.


    Well revised sir... (none / 0) (#59)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:55:35 PM EST
    even the noble ones kinda bug me out though...the same way cops and criminals have a lot in common, so do the pervs and those who obsess over catching the pervs.  It strikes me as a "legitimate" front to wallow in the same seedier side of humanity.  Creepy.

    No segue. When are you going to (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:35:25 PM EST
    that fascinating destination in Mexico you described?  Or did you already go?  

    May 17th... (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:44:14 PM EST
    pushed back from the original March...too many babies to be delivered by the special lady in March, had to reschedule.

    2 days in GDL then off to La Huasteca Potosina and its many treasures!  

    Which is why I had Charlie B on the brain, I just picked up my gift for the special lady, a spanish translation of a Bukowski collection, "Run with The Hunted" aka "Peleando a la Contra".  That should either further endear her to me, or scare the sh*t out of her;)  


    Such a considerate baby-deliverer. (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:52:24 PM EST
    I'm so glad you asked about that (none / 0) (#95)
    by sj on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 01:30:49 AM EST
    For some reason I was thinking about that recently.  I wouldn't mind a re-up on the link, either.

    Huasteca links? (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:37:01 AM EST
    More Mexicans (none / 0) (#28)
    by jbindc on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:47:01 PM EST
    Leaving US than entering - first time since the Depression:

    Nearly 1.4 million Mexicans moved from the United States to Mexico between 2005 and 2010, double the number who did so a decade earlier. The number of Mexicans who moved to the United States during that period fell to less than half of the 3 million who came between 1995 and 2000.

    The trend could have major political consequences, underscoring the delicate dance by the Republican and Democratic parties as they struggle with immigration policies and court the increasingly important Latino vote.


    The reversal appears to be a result of tightened border controls, a weak U.S. job and housing construction market, a rise in deportations and a decline in Mexican birthrates, said the study, which used U.S. and Mexican census figures and Mexican government surveys. Arrests of illegal immigrants trying to enter the United States have also dropped precipitously in recent years.

    Whether the reversal is temporary or permanent, it could have significant implications for the United States. Many Mexican immigrants work in agriculture and construction.

    Everybody have fun... (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:49:36 PM EST
    mowing your own damn lawns this summer.

    Oh, please. (5.00 / 0) (#70)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 06:09:24 PM EST
    Lawns are so 20th century. Learn to revel in your weeds!

    Weeds and butterflies (none / 0) (#73)
    by CoralGables on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 06:40:02 PM EST
    much needed in suburbia

    Recently the cable guys (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:51:49 PM EST
    coming to my house have all been Latino.  

    Did you ask for papers? (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:35:05 PM EST
    Ya know, in case you wanna run for office one day;)

    I mow my own lawn. I get satisfaction (none / 0) (#55)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:45:57 PM EST
    from doing it.

    That makes two brother.... (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:51:52 PM EST
    and the cheaper rent for taking care of the property upkeep ourselves don't hurt either;)

    The hardest part for me is getting started, but once I get going I go all day in the yard...its the best kinda sore that is coupled with a sense of accomplishment.


    in the neighborhood too.

    'Fraid not... (none / 0) (#99)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 08:00:23 AM EST
    I'm in a predominantly latino neighborhood man, many a professional landscaper, and I suffer from black thumb...my neighbors put me to shame.  

    We've got several large pines on the property, the needles wreak havoc on the grass.  Got some bare spots because of it.  And I don't kill weeds or anything like that, just mow 'em.  Just keepin' it neat is my goal.

    Currently I'm still pickin' up leaves from past fall...I love all the trees and the shade they provide, but the leaves feel infinite.  Over 100 of those 55 gallon contractor bags every year easy on our half-acre spread.


    I love the smell of cut grass (none / 0) (#56)
    by CST on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:50:48 PM EST
    And the act of mowing a small city plot isn't bad.  But grass is actually pretty bad for the environment.  Unfortunately no landlord I've ever had (parents included) has let me talk them into letting it get overgrown with weeds, ahem, native plants.

    I love grassy yards (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 03:56:19 PM EST
    And they are a horrible waste of water and fertilizers and down here pesticides too.  X-scaping and selective planting is the future.  Everyone will fight it like mad though.

    Here in my neck of the national woods (none / 0) (#64)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 04:47:44 PM EST
    few people water their lawns. When we get to the hot and dry part of summer (in the years when that happens) lawns just turn brown. Oh sure, there are a few green green grass people who obviously water, but they are a distinct minority.

     Now, in the spring and early summer, when it is still rainy, well, green abounds and nicely frames the gorgeous rhododendrons that dot so many yards.

    Rhodies aside, you are more likely to find a yard that is now a garden, chock full o' vegetables, than you are to find a green and manicured lawn.


    Nobody around here (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 05:42:36 PM EST
    waters their lawns, ever, and I mean nobody.  Nobody fertilizes their lawns, either, or puts weed-killer on them.  Yes, we mow the lawns when they get too high.  But our "lawns" are a very,very small part of our property.  We're way more concerned about our gardens, which tend to be huge, and which we do water when necessary (because they provide a lot of food for us), and our fields, which are growing hay, and which are way too big to water.  When the weather is cooperative, we can get three or four cuttings of hay per year.  When it's not, we don't.  Those are the years when beef tends to get more expensive because feeding the beef cattle gets more expensive.  (And the dairy cattle, for that matter, which impacts the price of milk, cheese, etc.)  Farming (on a smaller scale, at least) is not the way to make a whole lot of money.

    How to make a small fortune (5.00 / 4) (#90)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:52:14 PM EST
    Start farming with a large fortune.

    ha! Good one. (none / 0) (#103)
    by Angel on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:31:09 AM EST
    You have to have nerves of steel (none / 0) (#74)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 06:53:10 PM EST
    to be a farmer.

    It is what it is (none / 0) (#80)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 07:45:16 PM EST
    We don't farm as our major source of income, and neither do most of the farmers up where we live on the mountain, because the farms are too small and too rocky to provide a living.  Everyone up here who farms does it because we like to farm, but the farming is an "extra" source of income for most of us.
    Having said that, there are farmers "down in the valley" who do depend upon farming as their major source of income.  They are very dependent upon the vagaries of the weather, the price of beef/pork/lamb/chicken/milk/eggs, the price of feed, and so on.  Not an easy way to make a living at all.

    No lawn watering here (5.00 / 0) (#75)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 06:55:28 PM EST
    either, and I'm happy to say the legislature just banned the use of phosphorus-containing fertilizer on lawns.

    The funny thing about "lawns" is that they don't turn brown if they're mostly miscellaneous weeds mowed short, like mine is.  It's only fancy grasses that give up the ghost without water.


    I think the raised beds gardens (none / 0) (#93)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 11:18:55 PM EST
    That some people are doing is a cool evolution, the return of the kitchen garden

    cutting lawns in my neighborhood. I'm the only guy in my neighborhood who cuts his own lawn.

    Can't say that I had a "business," ... (none / 0) (#81)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 07:53:58 PM EST
    ... but when I was a teenager, I used to do several of the neighbors' yards, which was much appreciated since they were senior citizens. In Southern California, yardwork is a weekly endeavor, and at $5 to $10 a lawn in the mid-1970s (this being the east side of Pasadena, where lot sizes and yards tended toward the large side), I always had some spending money.

    I had a dozen lawns at my peak (none / 0) (#121)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 04:06:30 PM EST
    as well as doing handy-man type stuff for the homeowners. Most of it went to college tuition.

    Big NY Talk (none / 0) (#63)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 04:06:41 PM EST
    ...on your trip stop by me casa and have ago at it in May, I'll rent a mover just for you.

    My Mexicans are here to stay.  The thing is, I like most people can only assume their status.  I assume my guy is legit since I know his kids and he owns a business.  I don't work for ICE, so its none of my business.  But more importantly, I don't give a damn.  I know he's not leaving anytime soon, regardless.

    Pretty sad when Mexico is a better economic option then the US for people with little.  I am positive, that alone is just another feather in the right wing hack cap.  Just like Obama failing, yeah...


    I wouldn't say better economic opportunity.... (none / 0) (#100)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 08:07:03 AM EST
    probably more so if there is no work you might as well have no work where you speak the language fluently and feel at home.

    Not many Mexican immigrants by me...predominantly Central American.  They ain't leaving, nor should they unless they want too.  Free movement of free people, thats my motto.

    I wouldn't think many south of the border breathren are leaving the Northeast, more likely the Southwest.


    Well over 2000 comments. (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:54:09 PM EST
    Which i won't be reading.  

    When did Mike Bloomberg (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:55:01 PM EST
    start moonlighting at the New Zealand Health Ministry?

    Or is this just how NZ plans on making up for all money they stole from Kim Dotcom, if they have to return it to its rightful owner.

    Van der Sloot's back (none / 0) (#72)
    by Yman on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 06:21:49 PM EST
    U.S. asks Peru to extradite Joran van der Sloot.

    He didn't do nothin. (none / 0) (#77)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 07:02:39 PM EST
    According to sources, he is ... (none / 0) (#82)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 08:05:14 PM EST
    ... to be extradited on a provisional detention, while U.S. authorities try to charge him with extortion, since he allegedly sought $250,000 from Natalee Hollaway's mother, in exchange for information about the location of her body. He reportedly received $25,000.

    This makes no sense at all, and strikes me as rather punitive. Van der Sloot is currently serving a 28-year sentence in Peru for the murder of Stephany Flores. Why can't they just leave him there? It's not like he's going to flee to locales unknown any time soon.


    They probably don't want ... (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Yman on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:47:05 PM EST
    ... to wait until he's completed his sentence in Peru.  I've seen conflicting reports on when he would be eligible for "conditional release"/parole after serving somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of his sentence - 9-14 years.  That's a long time to try to preserve evidence/witnesses/witness testimony.

    Propaganda. Pure and Simple. (none / 0) (#83)
    by oldmancoyote22 on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 08:07:19 PM EST
    I'm shocked.  

    Gallup Thought (none / 0) (#104)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:55:19 AM EST
    According to their polls data, Obama is more popular right now among democrats than Clinton or Carter were at this point in the cycle.  Where Clinton was doing better than Obama is independents.  He has to up the independent numbers to win.

    Have to click the right boxes to see it here.

    When evaluating the campaign and the target of the dems voting efforts, I think that is an important fact to keep in mind.

    Heh - 85 to 84% (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 05:11:34 PM EST
    Figured there was a reason you just said "higher".

    BTW -

    When evaluating the campaign and the target of the dems voting efforts, I think that is an important fact to keep in mind.

    Is this an attempt to prepare people for Obama's inevitable focus on independents/moderates while ignoring the base?


    Indies (none / 0) (#111)
    by NYShooter on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 01:28:49 PM EST
    may not be flocking to Obama yet, but they're fleeing the bat$hit crazy R's.

    The freshman R's in the House are scaring the crap out of even the previous bat$hit crazy R's.


    Classic, on so many levels.... (none / 0) (#106)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 12:01:07 PM EST
    Police sting operation to catch bodegas selling alcohol to minors.

    Bodega worker refuses to sell to the 18 year old narc.

    Narc gives money to a 51 year old to buy the Smirnoff Ice.

    Bodega worker sells to 51 year old, gets busted.  

    Pleads guilty despite his innocence on advice from counsel, out of fear of Rikers, unaware videotape evidence exonerates him.

    Bodega Assoc. working on getting conviction tossed.

    Classic, on so many levels.

    The video (none / 0) (#107)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 12:49:02 PM EST
    is here. The 51 y/o and the 18 y/o had the conversation about buying the booze for the 18 y/o right at the sales counter right in front of the worker. That said, there were a lot of people in there and the worker was dealing with all of them, and I would also assume English is the worker's second language (immigrated 3 years ago) so I wouldn't expect him to pick up on snippits of conversations going on around him that were not related to the customer he was directly dealing with at that time. Latest reports are the the charges against the worker are going to be dropped.

    Not to mention... (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 12:58:21 PM EST
    Smirnoff F*ckin' Ice?  I thought that stuff was invented for teenagers and ladies, like Mike's Hard Lemonade;)

    Kinda.... (none / 0) (#112)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 01:30:37 PM EST
    It's like an almost virgin Tom Collins, similar alcohol content to beer.

    related (none / 0) (#113)
    by CST on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 01:31:55 PM EST

    Also, for more fun, see icing.


    Too funny. (none / 0) (#115)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 01:38:03 PM EST
    bashing up top of this thread? Loomis, Belichik and Nixon all grouped together? Probably you're all focused on the Celts...

    I thought about it (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by CST on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 01:55:31 PM EST
    But then I figured, haters gonna hate.  Plus since very few of the posts have been 'rated' on this thread, me giving you a '1' rating would have kept you at the top.  I was hoping by ignoring you it would just disappear into obscurity.

    One of the nice things about being a Boston sports fan these days is that when one team has you in the dumps, there is always someone else to bring you up.  The sports gods seem to be looking out for us.  How else do you explain the 2008 celtics?  Or for that matter the 2012 celtics?

    Go Bruins!

    Good thing baseball season hasn't started yet.


    Ha! (none / 0) (#118)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 02:35:39 PM EST
    Actually, what format do you read TL in? (none / 0) (#119)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 02:37:19 PM EST
    I read it in "Nested" and ratings don't change anything.

    Ah, nevermind. I'm in "Nested" and (none / 0) (#120)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 02:38:28 PM EST
    "Ignore Ratings"...

    Your a$$ is funny (none / 0) (#123)
    by vicndabx on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 07:21:57 PM EST
    u need to be a comedian (dianne?)

    Perhaps the best nugget of all... (none / 0) (#108)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 12:57:03 PM EST
    is the charges against the 51 year old (the only bad actor along with the authorities imo) were adjourned pending dismissal.

    Ya can't make this sh*t up.