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It's a work day for me. A big primary day for the Republicans

It's also a day I'd rather be outside because we don't get too many 70 degree days in the first week of March here in Denver.

In case I miss the news feel free to report it in this thread, along with any other things you'd like to share or discuss.

All topics welcome.

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  • Noam Chomsky (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 06:20:41 AM EST
    "Dear friends, I hope you'll take the opportunity of the March 6th Green-Rainbow primary to cast a vote for resurgent democracy. A democracy that thrives outside of the Democratic and Republican Parties that are sponsored by and subservient to corporate America. And I hope you will consider joining me in supporting Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein - both with your vote and with a contribution to her campaign for people, peace and the planet.As you know, popular anger at the political and economic institutions, and the subordination of the former to the latter, has reached historic heights. And for sound reasons. There could hardly be a better time to open up the political debate to the just anger and frustrations of citizens who are watching the country move towards what might be irreversible decline while a tiny sector of concentrated wealth and power implements policies of benefit to them and opposed by the general population, whom they are casting adrift.


    I'm sick of hearing how evil third party (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 07:43:02 AM EST
    is too.  Look what has happened only having two and where they have gone with it.

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    No brainer... (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 08:49:01 AM EST
    Obama, Romney, or Stein?  I'm with Jill Stein blind baby!

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    No brainer for me too (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:19:49 PM EST
    Obama...I never throw away my vote. And I never leave the top of the ticket blank.

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    I won't throw away my vote either (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by sj on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:36:58 PM EST
    It will never go to an undeserving candidate.

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    Agreed (2.33 / 3) (#58)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:46:33 PM EST
    and those that don't vote (or vote for a fringe candidate that can't win) are always giving the equivalent of half a vote to the least deserving candidate.

    There is nothing the GOP likes more than a left fringe candidate to help the GOP candidate get elected. And to be fair, nothing I like more than a far right third party candidate.

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    So in other words, you don't agree. (5.00 / 4) (#59)
    by dk on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:51:43 PM EST
    You'd probably enjoy the book I am (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:51:58 PM EST
    listening to:  "Tension City," written by Jim Lehrer and he is the narrator.  About the history of presidential debates 1960-2008.  The CDs have audio clips of portions of various debates interesting to Lehrer, plus reactions after the fact from the questioners and participants.  Stockdale sd. he felt like he was watching a ping pong game.  

    Parent
    Here's a good video of a debate (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:16:53 PM EST
    from 2008.

    A Trip Down Memory Lane With Senator Obama

    "The only bills that I've voted for, for the most part, since I've been in the Senate, were introduced by Republicans or by George Bush."

        -- Senator Barack Obama @ 2min 18sec



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    You misstate (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by sj on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:23:58 PM EST
    You don't agree with me at all.

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    CG agrees doesn't throw vote away. (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:29:07 PM EST
    (My interpretation.)  Hardly merits "1"s, does it????

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    That part doesn't (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by sj on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:52:46 PM EST
    but this?
    and those that don't vote (or vote for a fringe candidate that can't win) are always giving the equivalent of half a vote to the least deserving candidate.
    Even on reflection, I'm okay with the 1.  

    Every now and then I react and have a little bit of remorse.  But this? Nope.   I say where my vote goes.  CG Absolutely. Does. Not.  

    Let him or her vote his or her own conscience.  She doesn't get to state her opinion as fact so blithely.  Not when it's my vote being dissected.  That would be like me stating that CG is pi$$ing away her vote on a lazy and corrupt candidate who will consistently work to institute Republican fringe policies.  And she will do it simply because "the other" candidate is marginally even less deserving.  That would be my opinion stated as fact.

    However, I strongly believe that votes are matters of conscience.  And I would never try to discourage anyone from voting his or her conscience.  Nor would I twist another's act of conscience into my interpretation of ... whatever the heck that was.  

    Yeah, I'm OK with the 1.

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    "undeserving candidate" = 3rd party = (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by nycstray on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:54:24 PM EST
    thrown away vote . . .

    my interp :)

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    I'm not trying to categorize any one/vote (none / 0) (#185)
    by nycstray on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:22:08 PM EST
    I'm  registered Green who doesn't think a 3rd party vote is a throw away or a "half vote" :) CG may feel differently than I do, and that was my interp of his/her comment that O was commenting on.

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    It's always fun (none / 0) (#88)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:30:50 PM EST
    to twist a little.

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    wev (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by sj on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:00:05 PM EST
    Evil. (3.00 / 2) (#138)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:58:32 PM EST
    Welcome (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:27:59 PM EST
    to my club.

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    IMO, you can solve your "problem" (none / 0) (#189)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:31:12 PM EST
    by prefacing your every sentence with:  IMO.  

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    Ha (none / 0) (#197)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 06:02:31 PM EST
    IMO, there are some 1's that are the equivalent of (not equal to) a badge of honor. IMO, you can wear your badge with pride.

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    Those that don't vote don't give anything (5.00 / 3) (#120)
    by Anne on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:10:36 PM EST
    to anyone, although I know you want to argue that if 200 voters show up to the polls, and 100 of them vote for the Republican, and 99 of them vote for the Democrat, and the 100th voter doesn't vote, he or she is somehow responsible for the GOP win.  

    But when has it ever been that simple?  Did all of the Dems vote for the Dem?  Did all of the Republicans vote for their party?  It's not like anyone knows for sure while voting is taking place.  Maybe in that scenario, 110 of those 200 voters are Dems - so isn't the real reason the Dem lost that Dems who voted voted for the other guy?  

    A non-vote is a non-vote - it doesn't get added to anyone else's vote total.  No one is telling us at the polls that if we, as Democrats or Republicans, fail to vote our party, that our vote will be automatically given to the other party.  My non-vote for the Democrat is NOT a vote "for" anyone else.

    Rather than look with disdain at people who also value their votes and choose to cast them only when and if they are truly deserved, it might be worth asking why we keep being presented with these kinds of choices - between bad on one side and worse on the other?  Why aren't we getting better candidates?

    Well, part of it is the money.  But isn't part of it the push for people to keep voting for bad candidates because the alternative is someone even worse?  We keep legitimizing the policies and ideology of candidates with whom we don't agree because we have been brainwashed into fearing the consequences if we don't.  We keep lowering the bar, and signaling, by our votes, that this is an acceptable standard.

    I get that that metric works for some people - it worked for me for a long time.  Until it just didn't anymore.  Until it didn't make sense to me anymore.  How can it now, when we have a Democrat whose policies are, in many cases, worse than the ones of his Republican predecessor?  We hated those policies when they were Bush's but now we are going to embrace them by voting for Obama to get four more years of unbridled executive power that's not working to our benefit?

    This makes no sense to me, sorry.  I won't demean the value of my vote - what little value it even has at this stage - by handing it over to someone whom I don't recognize as having any meaningful Democratic values.

    What we really need at the polls is the option to vote "None of the Above."  I can't be the only voter who would feel that to be the best choice.


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    Except (none / 0) (#139)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:59:10 PM EST
    your opening line, "Those that don't vote don't give anything to anyone", couldn't be more wrong.

    By your method, you're still giving a boost to the person running that you dislike the most, and giving more influence to those that disagree with you that actually take the time to vote. Indeed, your approach is no different from the person that doesn't care at all and has never registered to vote. Rather than a "None Of The Above", perhaps we should refer to it as the Milquetoast Party vote where you give an equal share to everyone.

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    And you (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by sj on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 03:30:33 PM EST
    are still stating your opinions as facts.  And frankly, you couldn't be more wrong.

    Parent
    So, you're going to insist that (5.00 / 2) (#148)
    by Anne on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 03:37:48 PM EST
    not doing something is the same as doing something, only not the something that those in your party want you to do, but the thing they don't want you to do, even though you haven't done the thing that the voting machines actually count - vote.  

    In your world, no vote is still a vote, which you think you have the right to decide is a vote for the other guy.

    Good Lord.

    Please do give my best to Abbott and Costello when you see them.  Which I am now convinced you do.

    And I would take issue with the whole "Milquetoast Party" thing; seems to me that going along out of fear, and allowing yourself to be herded wherever it is some other entity wants to go - whether you really want to go there or not - is far more milquetoast-ian than drawing a line and refusing to accept the increasingly lower standards we're supposed to be grateful aren't even worse.

    On the other hand, maybe you just loves you some Barack Obama.  Maybe you think he's done a spectacularly splendid job, in which case, rewarding him with your vote makes all kinds of sense to you.

    We each have to do whatever it is that allows us to sleep at night; as things stand, I won't be voting for Obama or the GOP nominee, but if Jill Stein is on the ballot for the Green Party, she will likely get my vote as she is the only one who is speaking and wanting to work for the same things I want.  I don't care that you think I'm wasting my vote - it's mine and I can do what I want with it.  As can you with yours.

    If Obama is where you think your vote should go, that's what you should do.  And if things don't turn out exactly the way you wanted them to, whether that is that he loses, or he wins and proceeds to let all his Republican tendencies hang out - don't blame me: blame a system that thinks the choices we're being offered are the best they can do, or the most we deserve.

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    I never said anything like this (none / 0) (#170)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:15:10 PM EST
    "In your world, no vote is still a vote, which you think you have the right to decide is a vote for the other guy."

    On the contrary I said it's treating both equally. It's the equivalent of half a vote for each.

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    It's not equivalent to that at all. (5.00 / 2) (#183)
    by Anne on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:08:45 PM EST
    No vote is no vote, period; that's the only equivalency.

    Voting machines don't divide up undervotes and allocate them to the candidates.

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    Think of it this way (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 03:57:05 PM EST
    By not voting for the Green Party candidate, YOU are giving the election to the Republicans....

    Why does everyone have to follow the "fashionable" choice? which is what the D or R choice is.

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    It's just not that simplistic. (5.00 / 2) (#151)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 03:44:30 PM EST
    Your viewpoint ensures the status quo forever under the guise of inevitability and calculus of votes.

    As Chomsky said, for some, it may be time to take a different path.

    You may be comfortable with a lifetime of participating in the status quo of what our government has become, and with ridiculing everything else as 'fringe'. But for some, it is equally important to hope for something more and make a statement.

    Nothing has ever changed in any country without the 'fringe'.

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    President Obama has moved the (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 07:41:45 AM EST
    G8 summit from Chicago to Camp David.

    Bawk Bawk Bawk... (5.00 / 5) (#11)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 08:38:27 AM EST
    Obama's yella! ;)

    Though it may be a good sign...people are not supposed to fear their government, governments are supposed to fear their people.  

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    Ding! (none / 0) (#19)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:09:50 AM EST
    They don't need no... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:18:06 AM EST
    new law to keep the proles at bay at Camp David.  In Chicago, the pres and others might have to actually, ya know, face the people they work for.  

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    Right yes, but (none / 0) (#23)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:30:37 AM EST
    they're just the smelly great unwashed 99% and as long as they vote - I mean do - as they're told, they have no faces, don't count, and should be ignored. Or at least die before they can claim social security, no?

    Why would anyone of any substance listen to them?

    Have you heard the new theme song for this years G20 at Camp David?

    Please allow me to introduce myself
    I'm a man of wealth and taste
    I've been around for a long, long year
    Stole many a man's soul and faith


    Parent
    NATO summit is still in Chicago (none / 0) (#129)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:34:51 PM EST
    PleaZe (none / 0) (#36)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 11:34:46 AM EST
    Fearing bad press in an election year is not the government fearing people.  It's chicken-$hit leaders to not wanting to be embarrassed publicly for their misdeeds.

    There is nothing the government has done that leads me to believe it fears anything.  Sure the cogs want to keep their jobs, but the machine hasn't stopped.

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    I hear ya... (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 11:39:55 AM EST
    probably right, they only fear the appearances.
    A man can dream though! ;)

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    You really think (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 11:55:03 AM EST
    they'd be spending billions of dollars every year propagandizing peoples brains into warm jello if they weren't terrified of what would happen if they didn't? Really?

    The machine hasn't stopped.

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    Propagandizing and, (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:21:37 PM EST
    putting the screws to whistleblowers, and all that secrecy.   All a part of it.

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    Seems to Me... (none / 0) (#69)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:13:50 PM EST
    ... a fearful government wouldn't be at full steam ahead with rolling over out rights.  I fearful government wouldn't start BS wars and continue them for a decade.  A fearful government would have the largest military in all of history while neglecting the poor.  From airport security, to Gitmo, to assassinating American citizens, to the Citizens SCOTUS decision, to everything it's cranked for 12 years, it's pretty clear who is fearful and it ain't Uncle Sam.

    Campaign dollars aren't to keep the government rolling, it continues no matter who's elected.  And beyond a couple programs in the CIA, there isn't much the government spends on actual propaganda.  Surely far less then back in the 40's.

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    Let me put it this way (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:19:25 PM EST
    How many billions of dollars would you spend every year to try to protect yourself from something you aren't afraid of?

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    A government (none / 0) (#83)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:26:08 PM EST
    any government that could, would do all of those things out of fear.

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    Are you telling me it is NOT a good use (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:30:15 PM EST
    of my tax dollar for TSA to swab my sandals?  

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    It would be a better use of your tax dollars (none / 0) (#91)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:33:13 PM EST
    if they would kiss your feet for paying for flying their friendly skies...

    Parent
    Oh, that happened. Last day of Continental (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:43:05 PM EST
    flights b/4 completion of United swallow-up.  Continental pilot was tres sentimental.  

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    Then I Want a Government I Fear... (none / 0) (#141)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 03:02:39 PM EST
    ...because using your logic, that would be a government that wouldn't trample my rights or over-extend it's authority.

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    You're welcome to your own description (none / 0) (#184)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:09:51 PM EST
    if that's what you want, and think it wouldn't trample your rights or over-extend it's authority.

    A fearful government would have the largest military in all of history while neglecting the poor.  From airport security, to Gitmo, to assassinating American citizens, to the Citizens SCOTUS decision, to everything it's cranked for 12 years


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    You know, (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:40:38 PM EST
    I'm not all that far from Catoctin Mountain Park (where Camp David is located).  Maybe I should take a hike at the Park during the G8 and see how close I can get to Camp David.   ;-)
    PS  And yes, I know where Camp David is situated within the Park, even though it hasn't been on any of the park maps for years and years.  All the locals know.

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    Was there once (5.00 / 0) (#103)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:44:14 PM EST
    The BF loves to go camping up there in the park, although he hasn't been since we started dating (I don't do camping, although I'm not stopping him from going(.  It really IS beautiful up there - we went up one Saturday morning. In the fall for a short hike.  We were probably within a mile of Camp David, if not closer, as we couldn't go much further up the road.

    If I were president, I'd move the WH up there!

    Parent

    Yes, it is (none / 0) (#126)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:27:24 PM EST
    beautiful there.  I particularly love the Autumn season (but then, I love Autumn up here on South Mountain, too).  I guess I just love the mountains.  If you ever go back with your BF, check out Cunningham Falls Sate Park, too- basically across the street from Catoctin Mountain Park.  The Falls themselves are lovely, and you have opportunities to swim, canoe, fish, and hike in the park.

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    How many people (none / 0) (#57)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:42:49 PM EST
    would it take to surround Camp David?

    Now there would be an un-ignorable media event... :-)

    Parent

    A lot (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:21:36 PM EST
    Camp David is huge- it's got to be around 150- 200 acres.  It has numerous buildings, pools, hiking and riding trails, a golf driving range- you get the idea.  Plus it's surrounded by multiple layers of fencing, patrolled by Marines, and all roads leading to Camp David are blocked.  You can bet that there will be extra security during the G8- there always is when the President is there, probably even more security during the G8.  Plus, there are partial park closures when there are security concerns.  I doubt that anyone will be allowed to get anywhere near Camp David.  Although I wonder why nobody has suggested that protesters station themselves along Route 77 near the park entrance.  They would probably be swept away by security people, though.  

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    They better not try to sweep Military Tracy (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:32:01 PM EST
    away (if she shows up).  

    Parent
    I just emailed AdBusters (none / 0) (#77)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:23:15 PM EST
    with a suggestion ;-)

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    The park entrance (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:30:25 PM EST
    is about three miles west of the Route 77 West exit from Route 15 (at Thurmont, MD).  Geez, Edger, maybe we shouldn't even be suggesting this.  "They" know who we are.  Be afraid, be very afraid.  ;-)

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    I'm quaking (5.00 / 0) (#94)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:36:07 PM EST
    Since Camp David is too big (none / 0) (#80)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:24:40 PM EST
    for mainstream media to ignore...

    Parent
    Foot in Mouth Disease... (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 08:41:53 AM EST
    runs in the Romney clan...I heard on the news Team 1% is looking to feature Ann more in the campaign, might want to rethink that...

    "I don't even consider myself wealthy, which is an interesting thing. It can be here today gone tomorrow."

    In fairness I think she's trying to say detah comes for us all, at any time...true enough.  But talk about awkward!  Can any Romney play this game?  

    Well, as Imelda Marcos (5.00 / 0) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 10:54:58 AM EST
    surely must have felt that she was needy of footwear, so too must Ann Romney consider herself short of Cadillacs--obviously needing a roomy Escalade SUV so that their dog can travel inside, rather than strapped to the roof.

    Parent
    OT (none / 0) (#25)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:40:29 AM EST
    but you'll appreciate this one if anyone will, kdog ;-)

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    LOL.... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:50:45 AM EST
    Shouldn't that say "Code Name Hard Hat"?

    Bonus points if you get the reference;)

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    Hilarious n/t (none / 0) (#152)
    by cal1942 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 03:47:27 PM EST
    70 today... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 08:55:54 AM EST
    35 with freezing rain and snow tomorrow.  Got to love colorful Colorado in the Springtime!

    I might be back soon (5.00 / 2) (#130)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:38:56 PM EST
    I try so hard to not overly focus on it though.  But they are moving aviation back to Fort Carson and that means that pesky administration slot will need someone.  Not overly focusing though  MileHi.  I'm not gonna do it because heartbreak sucks.

    I got nobody to hang with here.  Even if they send us to Fort Hood, Austin is close and many Liberal mindset folks to mingle with.  No matter where they send us, nothing could be this bad, this isolated for me.  My husband tried to warn me though and I told him that no place could be that bad and I WAS WRONG.  I won't even know how to act.  And I'm trying not to focus on how happy I'll be because it is important to be happy NOW, even if that takes work.

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    I would be happy to buy you a drink in Austin. (none / 0) (#192)
    by lilburro on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:42:28 PM EST
    And yes, plenty of liberal minded people here.  Lots of (liberal) yuppies too, though.  I'm trying to get more involved in local politics now that I've been here for a few months.

    Parent
    An excerpt from the old memoir (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Dadler on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:58:29 AM EST
    The Lakota Nation is blocking the Keystone pipelin (5.00 / 5) (#30)
    by Palli on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 10:48:01 AM EST
    from bloggingblue.com:

    This is from a press release for a All Call to Action for people of the  Lakota Nation to come to Wanblee, SD, on the border of the Pine Tree Reservation "to join the Lakota Oyate, OST Police and State  Troopers in an effort to block [the pipeline trucks] from entering our .  Even the state troopers told them the trucks they have to turn around and cannot bring their ...pipeline or other materials on to our reservation. The XL pipeline trucks are refusing to turn around claiming they have corporate rights that supercedes any other laws. Olowan Sara Martinez, Debra White Plume, Grandmother Marie Randall and others are holding their ground."

    The Lakota nation is standing at the edge of the great LAND OCCUPY!

    Corporate rights supercede (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:17:21 PM EST
    the Reservation?  This is going to be one hell of a big fight.  And hopefully this nation's leaders won't be found speaking with forked tongues again.  Go Lakota Nation!

    Parent
    Actress Patricia Heaton follows Rush ... (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Yman on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 10:55:53 AM EST
    ... in apologizing after a backlash from her snide comments about Sandra Fluke on Twitter.

    (For the celebrity-impaired, like me - she is in "The Middle" and was in "Everybody Loves Raymond").

    Blechhh. Patricia Heaton. (5.00 / 4) (#33)
    by shoephone on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 11:08:30 AM EST
    An unfunny, talentless, hateful woman if there ever was one. Obviously, the execs at ABC gave her a scolding over her snide tweets and cautioned her to knock it off.

    The only comedy worth watching on ABC is "Modern Family," a show that probably incenses Madame Heaton.

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    Love "Modern Family" (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Yman on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 11:43:18 AM EST
    Patricia Heaton - not so much.

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    I'd pay good money to see (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by shoephone on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 11:54:34 AM EST
    Eric Stonestreet (who plays Cam on "Modern Family") take Heaton on in a debate. Partly because her head would eventually explode, and partly because he is the funniest actor on that show and we all need a good laugh.

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    My favorite show, always good for (none / 0) (#61)
    by Anne on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:52:03 PM EST
    actual belly laughs - and by Wednesday, who doesn't need some of that?

    I still laugh every time I remember the episode where Phil had the van wrapped with advertising for his real estate business, and on the side with Claire's picture, it said, "I Can't Be Satisfied," and she kept getting honked at...

    And the one where Mitchell dresses up for Halloween at his new firm?  

    Hil-ar-ious.

    Parent

    Was thinking of the same episode (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Yman on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:17:50 PM EST
    I love any episode where Phil is the focus (none / 0) (#140)
    by shoephone on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:59:25 PM EST
    The actor's total immersion into that character and his timing are impeccable. But I did love the recent episode where Cam and Mitchell had to move into Jay and Gloria's for a few days, because their house was being fumigated. Gee, and I thought Cam and Gloria were such good pals... Who knew that two prima donnas living in close quarters could cause such comic tension! Cam decides to reorganize Gloria's kitchen "so that things are located in places that make sense! Doesn't it seem sensible to have the coffee filters somewhere within walking distance of the coffee pot??"

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    Heaton calls herself a feminist. <Blech>. (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 03:23:02 PM EST
    That's right, she's a card-carrying member of the Feminists for Life groups.

    She's either a liar or a hypocrite, or both.

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    Both n/t (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by cal1942 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 03:55:38 PM EST
    Wow, well I guess that (none / 0) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:30:48 PM EST
    ends my watching The Middle every Wednesday now. Sad, I liked the series.  We love Brick, who is kind of a small version of my husband in many ways :)  We heard about the series from friends who watched it and decided that too and told us about it.  Anywho, Wednesday is humpday and phuck Patricia Heaton.

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    Glenn weighs in on the Holder speech (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Anne on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 11:13:04 AM EST
    and the administration's rationale for the targeted killing of American citizens; it's a very long and detailed post, so I have only provided the following excerpt:

    So that is the "process" which Eric Holder yesterday argued constitutes "due process" as required by the Fifth Amendment before the government can deprive of someone of their life: the President and his underlings are your accuser, your judge, your jury and your executioner all wrapped up in one, acting in total secrecy and without your even knowing that he's accused you and sentenced you to death, and you have no opportunity even to know about, let alone confront and address, his accusations; is that not enough due process for you? At Esquire, Charles Pierce, writing about Holder's speech, described this best: "a monumental pile of crap that should embarrass every Democrat who ever said an unkind word about John Yoo."

    [snip]

    In sum, Holder's attempt to make this all seem normal and common should insult anyone with the most basic understanding of American law. As The New York Times put it when first confirming the assassination program in April, 2010: " The Obama administration has taken the extraordinary step of authorizing the targeted killing of an American citizen. . . . It is extremely rare, if not unprecedented, for an American to be approved for targeted killing, officials said. A former senior legal official in the administration of George W. Bush said he did not know of any American who was approved for targeted killing under the former president." To date, not a single such citizen has been identified.

    As always, the most important point to note for this entire debate is how perverse and warped it is that we're even having this "debate" at all. It should be self-negating -- self-marginalizing -- to assert that the President, acting with no checks or transparency, can order American citizens executed far from any battlefield and without any opportunity even to know about, let alone rebut, the accusations. That this policy is being implemented and defended by the very same political party that spent the last decade so vocally and opportunistically objecting to far less extreme powers makes it all the more repellent. That fact also makes it all the more dangerous, because -- as one can see -- the fact that it is a Democratic President doing it, and Democratic Party officials justifying it, means that it's much easier to normalize: very few of the Party's followers, especially in an election year, are willing to make much of a fuss about it at all.

    I don't know about anyone else, but the one network news show I watched last night did not, that I recall, even cover the speech; it was mostly tornado damage, the Super Tuesday primaries, Let's Go To War With Iran.  It may have been mentioned when I was out of the room for a minute or two, but I don't think it was.  Interesting, isn't it, that we now live in a country where a speech justifying the killing of Americans - justification that distorts the law and is circular in logic - doesn't even merit 30 seconds on the news?

    Maybe "frightening" would be a better word than "interesting."


    Very detail and direct (5.00 / 1) (#201)
    by star on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 06:28:30 PM EST
    article. I was surprised by the lack of outrage, saddened by what our party has become and shocked by the sheer hypocrisy of my fellow Dems.
    "War on Women" is a wonder full side show while this WH is getting away with what ever it wants to do..

    Had Bush's AG said this .... OMG!

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    Greenwald at his detailed best. (none / 0) (#54)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:39:10 PM EST
    Eric Holder's speech reminded me (none / 0) (#65)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:03:54 PM EST
    of the satirical dark comedy, "Sister Mary Ignatius Explains It All For You", except Diane Keaton does a much better job at it.  

    Eric Holder re-tools the Constitution setting up two tracks: "due process" and "judicial process" which are not to be confused with one another for they are, clearly, not the same (for legal citations see: Bybee, J; Woo, J, and Mussolini, B.).

    American citizens will continue to have due process before believed being worthy of execution by presidential trigger,   but not necessarily, judicial process which involves vexatious and cumbersome steps.  Do note that the  Constitution has been re-discovered so as to guarantee only due process, not judicial process.

    Moreover, Holder holds that the Constitution, particularly, distinguishes between due and judicial processes when it comes to national security--it is right in there somewhere, behind your very eyes.  And, should you cite that part of the Fifth Amendment that guarantees that "no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process OF LAW.", please know that the law part is a Jeffersonian relic , especially in times of war, terror or drone-prone non-hostilities.  


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    Sounds more like it is (none / 0) (#76)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:22:07 PM EST
    between my very eyes, as in front of the firing squad.

    Will there ever be anything brought before the Supreme Court on these two types of 'process'?

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    Is Greenspan so naive that he believed a Bush (none / 0) (#81)
    by Farmboy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:24:46 PM EST
    official who denied acts of questionable legality? Really?

    "A former senior legal official in the administration of George W. Bush said he did not know of any American who was approved for targeted killing under the former president."

    I wonder if this anonymous official ever heard the name Paul Wellstone... </tinfoil>


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    Did you mean Greenwald? Or is Greenspan (none / 0) (#92)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:33:43 PM EST
    behind all this too?

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    My brain said Greenwald. (none / 0) (#162)
    by Farmboy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:05:38 PM EST
    My fingers typed Greenspan. Stoopid fingers.

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    LOL! (5.00 / 2) (#173)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:30:59 PM EST
    Curses upon the "no editing your comments" function!

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    Dentistry has changed so much (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:03:28 PM EST
    My grandfather spent a fortune on my mouth when I was a kid.  Probably because of the tooth problems he had and it looks like I got his tooth design.  My nerve is very close to the surface of all my teeth, this has been explained to me this week and last.

    My tooth had fractured, that was why it hurt.  I visited a different dentist this morning that only does endodontics and within an hour he removed the nerve and pasted it back together.

    I felt so good afterwards I went shopping.

    I have reached a point though where my teeth are getting more fragile or brittle or something.  I grind too, everyone in my family does.  So all my old fillings will be removed and replaced and many of my teeth bonded to shield them fracture.  I'm told you can't even tell after it is done.  And I have to get one of those night time guards.  But I hope that my grandfather where ever he is knows that I didn't waste his time or his money and I will probably die with every tooth in my head being where it is supposed to be, whitened, and what I was born with :)

    My long-time dentist once asked me: (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:16:25 PM EST
    so you intend to keep all your teeth til you die?  Maybe he was commented on the presence of all four wisdom teeth?  Isn't it his job to try and keep all my teeth functioning?

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    Trying to prevent the loss of his teeth (5.00 / 0) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:23:21 PM EST
    was a big deal to my grandfather.  He did have some pretty serious bridge work though.  They had to take my wisdom teeth out when I was 17, there wasn't enough room.  It was really a mess too, they had to dislocate my jaw to remove them.  But I was knocked out, I knew nothing.

    It is really surprising though that between the care available and a sonicare toothbrush, I will reach what my grandfather thought was the impossible triumph that he wanted for me.  When they ask if you floss twice a day though, when I say yes I'm not lying.  I hate having anything between my teeth and the older that I have gotten the worse that is for me.  It drives me crazy to eat steak and not floss immediately afterwards, and it drives my family crazy how much I have to floss.  I don't hide when I floss anymore, cuz I'm always flossing.

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    I'm with you (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:43:54 PM EST
    One brush with periodontal surgery, not even flossing related, was all it took to get me flossing once or twice a day. I never want to do that again, for any reason.

    They say dental issues are very genetically determined, so you are right to do what you can fight what might be be bad genes in that area. I do too. Both my parents had dentures even in their 30s.

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    I floss, (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:43:40 PM EST
    and I use the little plastic brush-picks, constantly; I feel like I'm obsessing about my teeth.  Although, I do have all my wisdom teeth, and have never had a problem with them, so I guess I shouldn't complain too much.   ;-)

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    Oh, man! (5.00 / 2) (#175)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:39:14 PM EST
    I can really relate Tracy!  I have a bad tooth, saw my dentist, he sent me to the endodondist, both agreed that the tooth has to go, it can't be crowned, the tooth in front of it is too weak to support a bridge, so they're sending me to an oral surgeon to get an extraction and a tooth implant.  Ugh!  I need this like I need another hole in my head!  Which, come to think of it, I'm going to get!  (And, yes, the endodontist highly recommended a night guard.)    

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    I am to be gentle with my work today (none / 0) (#190)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:32:29 PM EST
    He said if I get too wild before it gets the temporary I could blow all of his hard work.  He had the most amazing X-ray machine though.  My regular dentist is impressive, but the endodontist has Superman X-ray vision :)  And I saw smoke coming out of my mouth when there wasn't ANY DRILLING happening.  I don't know what they were doing.  I'm going to block that image out now.

    Tell me what getting an implant is like when you get it.  It fascinates me, that we now have this option.

    That microscope thing the endodontist looks at my tooth through is too cool too.  I want one :)  What does he see?  I want to see.

    When Josh goes to get his halo traction done, they have an X-ray machine now that he stands in and it X-rays him 3D, kyphosis and all....crazy.

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    I know what you mean (none / 0) (#199)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 06:21:45 PM EST
    about the endodontist.  She had the whole microscope thing, with her assistant also looking on with another microscope on the opposite side.  I felt like I was in some science fiction alternate reality or something.
    And I almost don't want to answer you about getting an implant.  I've already had one- a couple of years ago, I wound up with a seriously infected, cracked and broken tooth, and my dentist sent me to the oral surgeon.  In order to get the implant, I needed a bone graft (not enough bone left after the infection).  The whole process was so prolonged and drawn-out because of the bone graft, I almost burst into tears when the endodontist said I would need another tooth implant.  OTOH, the good news is that my current implant is fine and works great.  I haven't had a problem with it since.  I just didn't like the process.  I'm really, really hoping that I don't need another bone graft.  And, it's not like anything hurt during the procedures or anything, it's just that it seemed to take forever.  The whole thing for me took more than a year because of the bone graft.  I went back and forth to his office so many times, the car could practically drive itself.

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    Contractor Claim: Bin Laden Not Buried at Sea (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:18:27 PM EST
    The hacktivist group 'Anonymous' has released emails from the private security firm Startfor, which speculate that the body of Osama Bin Laden was not buried at sea, as the Obama administration told the world.

    In one email, Stratfor's V.P. for intelligence, Fred Burton, claims that the body was "bound for Dover, [Delaware] on [a] CIA plane" and then "onward to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Bethesda [Maryland]."

    LINK

    That is so creepy (5.00 / 4) (#84)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:26:33 PM EST
    Mostly because when the story was released that he was so quickly buried at sea my husband said, "Bullshit! They didn't do that that quickly, they are going to check him over thoroughly, autopsy him, as well as make positively certain that they got HIM.  That means thorough perfectly done DNA testing."

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    But (none / 0) (#89)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:31:14 PM EST
    I distinctly remember the DNA analysis of the body being plastered all over the front page of every newspaper and the video of the burial at sea on every TV news program for days on end, so the official story had to have been true.

    Obama wouldn't lie.

    I mean....

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    Do you believe U.S. astronauts walked (none / 0) (#104)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:45:01 PM EST
    on the moon?

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    eh? (none / 0) (#109)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:53:21 PM EST
    is there some kind of connection to my comment there?

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    Yes. (none / 0) (#110)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:54:22 PM EST
    I believe that astronauts walked on the moon (5.00 / 3) (#131)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:43:26 PM EST
    And that there is a strong possibility that Osama's swift Muslim burial at sea before sundown was bull$hit :)

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    can I be totally honest here (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by CST on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:47:11 PM EST
    I don't give a $hit where Osama was or wasn't buried.

    Do I want my government to lie to me?  Not particularly.  But I can see why they would tell this lie, it's not for my benefit, and I am kind of ok with it.

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    But, the facility to which Sratfor says (none / 0) (#133)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:47:16 PM EST
    his body was shipped was defunded and closed.  Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.  More mystery.   Perhaps a future Oliver Stone movie.  

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    Look at you (none / 0) (#160)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:04:07 PM EST
    Googlin and all :)  So this could be evidence of the competency of STRAFORs intelligence gathering?  The proposition of Osama NOT REALLY being immediately buried in the Arabian Sea and STRATFOR having the intelligence gathering skills of Blackfive seem equivalent to me :)

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    Sure... ;-) (none / 0) (#112)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:56:50 PM EST
    I mean (none / 0) (#107)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:51:13 PM EST
    Oh, cool. Maybe his internal organs will (none / 0) (#98)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:39:26 PM EST
    be placed in one of those really large glass jars in the weirdest museum I've ever been privileged to visit.  

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    Link: (none / 0) (#114)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:01:12 PM EST
    Maybe we can get this all (none / 0) (#156)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 03:59:18 PM EST
    verified by Osama's widows and children/grandchildren.  Apparently, Pakistan is allowing them to leave the country and go back to Yemen.   Perhaps, a book deal is coming.

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    The AC witch says (none / 0) (#2)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:55:27 AM EST
    She liked John? (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 08:07:38 AM EST
    She respected his work, what he believed in, and what he stood for?  She felt the same way that day?  Or is she attempting to convey to us ugly Birkenstock wearing tree hugger liberal girls that she does have a heart someplace in there and she thinks that maybe it can hurt as much as she has witnessed that ours can?  That woman is a joke!  Someone in her political branch passes and to express how she feels she chooses a Liberal icon?  Is this the only way she knows who she is?  By being juxtaposed against Liberals? What a sad sad sad woman!

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    functionally mentally ill (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by Dadler on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 08:43:12 AM EST
    literally.

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    Not so sure (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by sj on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:12:48 AM EST
    she's functional.  I mean she's found a way to make a living, but I'm not so sure she's found a way to make a life.

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    agreed (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by Dadler on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:39:35 AM EST
    but she seems to be able to get dressed by herself, which is startling.

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    I've seen her on programs (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by jondee on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:40:33 PM EST
    on which, when someone mentioned the name Ronald Reagan in her presense, she acted as though she were one step away from rolling around on the floor touching herself -- like one of the women in the Salem witch trials..

    Definately unhinged.

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    IIRC (none / 0) (#3)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:04:57 AM EST
    I think Jeralyn used to and probably still does have a rule that the witch's name cannot by spoken or typed out here so it doesn't show up in search results?

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    I guess (none / 0) (#4)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:29:30 AM EST
    both Obama and Holder are working for the GOP this election cycle.

    robocalls (none / 0) (#6)
    by kmblue on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 07:26:24 AM EST
    here in Atlanta.  Ugh!

    Barbara Bush (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:33:18 PM EST
    Just got one here in little old Vermont from Barbara Bush urging me to vote for Romney in the primary today.  I very childishly took pleasure in slamming the phone down mid-sentence.  Man, I hate that babe.

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    Is it the pearls or hairdo or Katrina remarks? (none / 0) (#186)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:22:48 PM EST
    For me, it is hard to chose, but (none / 0) (#194)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:48:25 PM EST
    her fetus in the jar is right up there.  And, it freaked out, forever, W.

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    This is why (none / 0) (#137)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:58:07 PM EST
    there is "caller ID."  Just don't answer any 800 numbers or unknown numbers.  ;-)

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    Donald is any (none / 0) (#7)
    by fishcamp on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 07:33:59 AM EST
    of that rain making it across the channel to dry Maui?  You wouldn't want to be fishing down here in the Keys since we're having 20 to 30 mph winds today.

    What are the odds I am in the 99%? (none / 0) (#14)
    by BobTinKY on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 08:48:22 AM EST


    you're either in the 99 or the 1% (none / 0) (#16)
    by BobTinKY on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 08:50:08 AM EST
    got to be at least 50-50 right?

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    As long as the 1%... (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:01:47 AM EST
    owns the government supposedly for the 100%, your real odds are in the 120,000,000-1 range, aka the odds of winning Powerball.

    Sorry Bob.

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    Shame Shame Shame... (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:28:02 AM EST
    Feds catch the alleged head of LulzSec, and the guy rats out his friends.  Bad form.

    Though knowing the feds they probably used the guy's kids against him or something, they are nothing if not ruthless.

    Two of my favorite time wasters (none / 0) (#28)
    by CST on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 10:37:20 AM EST
    have now combined.  Grantland is running a bracket to determine the best character on the wire.

    I'm pissed that Snoop beat out my man D'Angelo, but given that I still haven't seen season 5 I will cut that some slack.  But the hating on Bubbles is unacceptable.  Right now he's crushing Clay Davis.  I still think Omar is slightly overrated but I don't see anyone in West Baltimore beating him to the final 4.  Avon is the clear front runner for the Ports, but the other two brackets show some compelling future showdowns like Bunk vs. McNulty, or Stringer (who will probably win) vs Freemon/Marlo.  Hampsterdam and East Baltimore are stacked.  Btw - why are Stringer Bell and Wee-bay in East Baltimore, but Prop Joe is in the Ports?  And how do you have Herc, Sergei, two Sobodkas, and Brother Mouzone but NO CARVER????

    Oh, I have to check that out. (none / 0) (#82)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:25:56 PM EST
    Sounds like my girl Kima needs a vote.

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    One of the best things about Dana (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 03:35:47 PM EST
    Delaney's set-in-the-Philly-medical-examiner's-office ABC series Body of Proof is seeing Sonja Sohn (she played Kima) every week on that show.

    I also love that the main characters, played by Delaney and Jeri Ryan, are women. Sonja plays one of the two main homicide detectives. Her partner is played by the actor who played Drew Carey's transvestite brother on The Drew Carey Show. Sorry, I do't remember his name.

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    Oh thank you! I will check that out (none / 0) (#158)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:01:44 PM EST
    I gave Kima some love too (none / 0) (#96)
    by CST on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:36:59 PM EST
    but it looks like she's getting crushed by Marlo.  She will be the third loser I've picked after D'Angelo and Frank Sobodka yesterday (don't really care about Frank, I just don't like Prop Joe that much).  I'm a little upset about the seeding that sent Prez (and probably Daniels) home early.  I mean how do you give him the 8 seed in that group?  That is a weak bunch and you put him up against Stringer??  Given that grouping I probably would have given Prez the 2 seed behind Stringer, or the 3 at the lowest behind Bunny.

    Yes, I've officially wasted way too much time with this nonsense.

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    You have definitely given the seeds more study (none / 0) (#105)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:48:41 PM EST
    than I have! Maybe this evening when I have more time.  I gave Daniels some love in protest there. Wish they had not pitted him against McNulty.

    I have to admit that I had to look in IMDB to remember who half these characters are. It is been too long since I watched the show.

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    Apparently my state (none / 0) (#29)
    by CST on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 10:39:23 AM EST
    votes today in the Republican primary.

    Who knew?  Not a single ad has been run here.  Romney in a landslide.  If Ron Paul was a real candidate he would have campaigned a little bit for it.  He has more potential support than any of the other yahoos.

    are you okay (none / 0) (#35)
    by TeresaInPa on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 11:13:16 AM EST
    did you survive the night?

    Looks like (none / 0) (#37)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 11:39:13 AM EST
    Obama, Harper, TransCanada Pipeline, and the oil industry generally, may have finally fcuked with the wrong people.

    2012 Campaign gears up...

    Limbaugh: Can't make this stuff up (none / 0) (#40)
    by shoephone on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 11:50:44 AM EST
    Just turned on Limbaugh's radio show (yes, it's five minutes of my life I will never get back), and he was claiming that the loss of our freedoms--this assault on all of us!--has been brought about by Obama and young, idealistic college students clamoring for social justice... students aquiring political science degrees! That's verbatim. I kid you not. And this is inlcuded in a discussion about... wait for it ... nutrition. Limbaugh apologized to his listeners for not covering Super Tuesday, but he says it's more important for him to be talking about how schools and the federal government are giving kids cartiledge and pink berry-tasting slime and not real ground beef. "Everything about liberalism is a lie! Everything! It's a trick!" Direct quote.

    This is what this bully has now been reduced to. The end is nigh.

    Funny sh*t... (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 11:56:13 AM EST
    no young idealistic college student ever called me criminal and slapped chains on me.

    Obama otoh...not his original ideas, but he is carrying the torch of Nixon & Reagan & Clinton, assaulting our freedoms, though school lunch menus ain't exactly what I had in mind;)

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    Agreed, on both accounts (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by shoephone on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:01:12 PM EST
    But Limbaugh's not railing against Obama's violations of our fourth amendment rights. Rather, he's ranting that we are losing our freedoms because of the First Lady's program on reducing childhood obesity... Just another nefarious liberal trick!

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    Indeed... (5.00 / 0) (#116)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:03:46 PM EST
    healthy children make healthy adults, and they might live too long and expect their social security checks and medicare...the nerve!  

    Better the kids be fatties with diabetes and die long before collecting any of the bennies they paid for.

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    Don't you love how he calls her a (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:50:12 PM EST
    "college co-ed"? what is this, 1965?

    He is just as demeaning as he can possibly get and I really hope the end is nigh.

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    Ahh college (none / 0) (#46)
    by CST on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 11:59:41 AM EST
    the nutritional hotbed of fancy food.

    Or you know, ramen noodles, pizza and easy-mac (which to me always begged the question - what's so hard about regular mac?)

    Oh to have been able to afford pink-berry or real ground beef in college.  Are they putting real ground beef in McDonald's these days?

    Social Justice = always keeping the white man down.

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    You have to have butter or something that (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:40:14 PM EST
    resembles it for regular mac or else the powder sauce sticks to the noodles in orange clumps.  Having this on hand can always be iffy, even when we were buying the 99 cent mystery margarine because it is possible to be 20 years old and eat half a loaf of toasted day old bread for breakfast as long as there is something there that resembles butter to put on it. A little milk is usually easier to come by if someone is stealing a bit from the cafeteria.

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    I think (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by CST on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:53:58 PM EST
    it's more the microwave factor.  You could get the little butter packets from some food place on campus.  And salt, pepper, ketchup, etc...  Milk was actually a little harder to come by, at least for me, our school didn't have much of a traditional cafeteria.  Haha this just reminds me of how my roommate and I use to hoard supplies.  I swear she had more ketchup packets than anyone could eat in 4 years.

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    I worked at Taco Johns the first year (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:12:11 PM EST
    I don't think I should go into detail exactly how we all ate.  It lacked ethics, but when you and your friends are hungry and broke screw ethics.

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    I don't (none / 0) (#125)
    by CST on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:23:08 PM EST
    miss college.

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    One of us got a part time job as (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:16:02 PM EST
    a hostess at Perkins.  The only thing she could thieve was Celestial Seasonings tea.  We had all of them.  I remember cursing her though because there isn't one single calorie in Celestial Seasonings tea worth spit.  You starve to death while an amazing aroma wafts over you.

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    Not to mention no caffeine. My daughter (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:35:00 PM EST
    and her friends could lay waste to Soup Plantation for the price of one admission.  It was amazing to watch.

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    Mother's like you are Goddesses (none / 0) (#95)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:36:21 PM EST
    Fallen, I'm afraid. (none / 0) (#97)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:37:43 PM EST
    Begs asking though (none / 0) (#123)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:20:14 PM EST
    How's that Oxy addiction hanging Rush?  Sorry, just you know....stuff can get a little obvious in that realm to outsiders sometimes :)

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    Princeton has a total of four veterans (none / 0) (#45)
    by Wile ECoyote on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 11:59:04 AM EST
    on campus.  

    Yale only has 13 of its 50 slots filled (none / 0) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:10:14 PM EST
    I suppose it isn't something that many think they can even hope to shoot for.  Princeton didn't say how many "slots" they had set aside.

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    The Mojo Radio Gang (none / 0) (#48)
    by Dadler on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:08:23 PM EST
    peeps, not pees (none / 0) (#49)
    by Dadler on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:08:40 PM EST
    egad. lol.

    Headline: (none / 0) (#63)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 12:55:15 PM EST
    Calif. woman killed by cannonball fired by husband

    Read more here:

    Hubby had a history of messing around with explosives.  From other sources, looks like the trailer in question had solar.  

    I was cleaning my cannon (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:07:17 PM EST
    and it went off?  Sad, not necessary

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    Alcohol involved per latest report. (none / 0) (#169)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:14:44 PM EST
    Have any of you seen this movie? (none / 0) (#100)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:41:19 PM EST
    Not yet, but I really want to (none / 0) (#115)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:01:24 PM EST
    and I see it is actually playing in Orlando not, so I better go this week before it is gone.

    Wim Wenders, ballet, 3D....must see....

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    I thought I'd probably missed it but it is (none / 0) (#134)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:48:23 PM EST
    is actually playing here.  Must hurry.  Wenders last 3D doc. made me dizzy though:  cave/cave paintings in France.  

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    That was Werner Herzog.... (none / 0) (#159)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:03:39 PM EST
    Easy mistake ;-)

    I saw that one too, and it was a little dizzying. But I think a lot of that was because of the setting, with those narrow cave passages.

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    Oops. Movie fail. (none / 0) (#164)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:07:15 PM EST
    Nope (none / 0) (#118)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:10:28 PM EST
    No place nearby. I will be in Atlanta soon though as they will attempt Josh's halo traction again, maybe then if it is still available?  You can "save" it on Netflix, so I did because the trailer looks amazing.

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    Much regret I never saw live her (none / 0) (#136)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:57:00 PM EST
    setting of "Rite of Spring."  Hope some of the footage is in Wenders' film.

    wiki commons!!!

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    Anyone loving "Luck" with me? (none / 0) (#117)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:08:14 PM EST
    That Dustin Hoffman/Dennis Farina pairing is just sublime. And now Joan Allen. Not to mention the jockeys, gamblers, and gorgeous horses.

    And the writing too. I was always a huge fan of David Milch dialogue, or that style, since I'm not sure he actually writes every episode. It is not as naturalistic as other shows - very rhythmic and poetic. Just goes right to my heart.

    And here I sat (none / 0) (#119)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:10:30 PM EST
    wondering what your attraction was to Andrew Luck.

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    I am (none / 0) (#121)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:14:14 PM EST
    Did not get to watch the latest though.  It is on my DVR waiting for me, and I will watch it now because you have inspired me to catch up :) We did chocolate fondue with the grandbabies last night, priorities.

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    Still have cable, post-brother, but do I (none / 0) (#135)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 02:49:54 PM EST
    need HBO?  Dustin Hoffman:  a fave.  

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    Yeah, HBO is needed at this time (none / 0) (#161)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:04:55 PM EST
    Sorry about that. I'm sure the season will be available for rental at some point.

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    Best role he has had for a looong time (none / 0) (#163)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:05:45 PM EST
    and he is really making the most of it.

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    Woman arrested for painting nails on (none / 0) (#142)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 03:08:44 PM EST
    Southwest flight.  Would link, but, unfortunately, LAT seems to have implemented NYT policy.  Drat.  

    I believe (none / 0) (#144)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 03:24:25 PM EST
    it's flammable making her fairly brain dead when she was asked to stop and ultimately got into a verbal altercation with the flight attendant.

    (According to my friend google, the primary ingredient in nail polish is nitrocellulose (cellulose nitrate) cotton, a flammable and explosive ingredient.)

    I would call her ten hours of detention a suitable punishment for stupidity.

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    Alcohol is flammable, too. Do they (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by Anne on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 03:41:15 PM EST
    still serve it on flights?

    If so, why is that okay and nail polish isn't?

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    Shhhh. Maybe that explains $7 (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:09:55 PM EST
    charge now on overseas flights.  

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    You mean I can get (none / 0) (#178)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:52:25 PM EST
    a mani-pedi on British Airways?  ;-)

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    Love to see how that works in coach. . (5.00 / 0) (#187)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:26:11 PM EST
    A good question (none / 0) (#172)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:28:55 PM EST
    but liquor is only part alcohol. At what proof is it considered combustible and what's the highest proof available on a flight?

    I doubt they are serving up 151 in Flaming Dr Peppers on Southwest Airlines.

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    Thank you (none / 0) (#179)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:54:54 PM EST
    They don't seem to have a problem (none / 0) (#182)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:05:45 PM EST
    with allowing people with their heads exploding out of acute pathological paranoia on planes...

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    Not to mention... (5.00 / 0) (#203)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 08:19:25 PM EST
    nail polish is considered an toxic inhalant and its use in a closed ventilation system (such as that found on an airplane) is beyond stupid.  

    Inhalants fall into several categories:

    A. Solvents:
    A. Industrial or household solvents or solvent containing products such as paint thinners or solvents, degreasers, dry cleaning fluids, spray lubricants, gasoline, kerosene, octane boosters, glues and adhesives, liquid lighter fluid, nail polish and remover and furniture polish and wax.

    Yummy!

    For some people (like me), the odor is a immediate up-grade to a first class seat in raging migraine hell.  

    For others, I suspect it may cause (as was probably the case for our protagonist) belligerent behavior and general lack of brain function caused by a toxic cloud wafting into their nasal cavity.  


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    Add another 10 hrs. for failure to disclose (none / 0) (#145)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 03:30:15 PM EST
    liquid in carry-on.  An an additional penalty for potential annoying of fellow passengers.  

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    I really needed the link at first (none / 0) (#171)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 04:25:24 PM EST
    This is what happens when you have been "arting" too much recently, I thought she was painting tromp l'oeil nails onto the plane interior or something.  Which could be upsetting for some who know that they are supposed to be using rivets :)

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    Me too. Apparently the problem was (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:41:16 PM EST
    the smell, not flammability.  Plus she cussed at flight attendant and ended up in handcuffs.  USA Today

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    True (none / 0) (#195)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:55:20 PM EST
    but Murkowski does regularly rate in the middle 5th of the senate by both liberal and conservative interpretations. Personally I'd rather she was in the upper middle 5th rather than the lower middle 5th from a liberal viewpoint. Still she is regularly one of the 5 least conservative GOP Senators (most liberal GOP Senators sounds like an oxymoron) which does make her a moderate by Senate standards.

    I'll accept her apology knowing her closest rival in the last election wouldn't have offered as much, while never knowing if the apology really means she'd vote differently on Blunt if it was held again tomorrow.

    Colts to jettison Manning. (none / 0) (#196)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 05:58:02 PM EST
    Yeah, i know, spring training is in full swing. And the Cubs, who just lost two in a row to the As, are on track to break my heart again.

    Still, a little football news adds balance to the sports talk. So, I took notice when I read that Jim Irsay and the Colts will announce tomorrow that the team is releasing Peyton Manning, thus saving themselves $28 million that Manning would be owed otherwise.

    How in demand will Peyton be on the open market? Is his neck really healed? Given the seriousness of that injury, should Peyton be giving serious thought to retirement? Inquiring minds who are so frikken' sick and tired of the freak show known as American politics that they are casting about for anything else to occupy their thoughts, want to know.

    The open market (5.00 / 0) (#198)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 06:16:48 PM EST
    won't get him $28 million, thus making the Colt move a smart financial one in the salary cap era.

    Would he now consider re-signing with the Colts for a lesser amount or is that contractually not permitted in the NFL?

    As for who is interested? The Miami Dolphins who are on the same path as the Washington Redskins lately. Their motto...Give us your old, your injured, your huddled broken down millionaires yearning for a warmer climate.

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    Will Colts fans really be all that (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 06:29:37 PM EST
    unhappy? My sense is that Indy fans spent all of last season working through the 5 stages of grief where Peyton is concerned.

    Seems like now they are all wrapped up in Andrew Luck love, and reaction to Peyton's departure will mostly be "Hey, it was great while it lasted, pal, but we've moved on."

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