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Trump On Santorum

What if Santorum wins the GOP nomination? Doesn't Trump have to launch his much clamored for run (according to him)?

Oh BTW, how's that Trump endorsement working out for Romney?

Here's Trump on Santorum:

Rick Santorum was a sitting senator who in re-election lost by 19 points, to my knowledge the most in the history of this country for a sitting senator to lose by 19 points. Itís unheard of. Then he goes out and says oh Ďokayí I just lost by the biggest margin in history and now Iím going to run for president. Tell me, how does that work? ... Thatís like me saying I just failed a test. Now Iím going to apply for admission to the Wharton School of Finance. Okay? He just failed a test.... And now heís going to run for president. So, I donít get Rick Santorum. I donít get that whole thing.Ē

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    While Mittens worries about his (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by KeysDan on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 10:31:54 AM EST
    Trump bounce, I worry about his  dog.

    Hasn't The Donald failed a test or (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Anne on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 10:39:12 AM EST
    two himself?  Doesn't that mean he should have bagged on being the hot-shot real estate mogul and decided to, I don't know, drive an ice cream truck?  Or gone to beauty school to learn how to better style his own hair?

    Here's an idea...maybe the people most eager to buy what Santorum's selling don't live in Pennsylvania.

    Just a thought.

    Not that Santorum can pass the national "test" of building a nomination on his platform, but I'm pretty sure we'll see some rightward movement from Romney in states where Republicans have more of an affinity for the Santorum ideology.  And Gingrich - well, he's busy fighting the war on religion, so, who knows?

    If it all makes Obama govern more from the left -great! - these clowns can keep opening their mouths and filling the airwaves with toxic garbage; my concern is Obama trying to appeal to those who kind of like pieces and parts of the overall Republican message, and governing accordingly now, and possibly for another four years.  

    As for The Donald...why does anyone even care what he thinks?


    Speaking of Failing (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 12:19:50 PM EST
    Trump University
    The New York State attorney general's office is investigating whether a for-profit school founded by Donald J. Trump, which charges students up to $35,000 a course, has engaged in illegal business practices, according to people briefed on the inquiry.

    LINK

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    "Santorum ideology?" (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by lentinel on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 01:49:19 PM EST
    Idiotology?


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    I just (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by lentinel on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 04:21:44 PM EST
    can't get over the image of Trump driving an ice cream truck.
    It's perfect.

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    only (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by TeresaInPa on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 04:32:50 PM EST
    if he wears a hair net.

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    Even better. (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by lentinel on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 04:52:50 PM EST
    With a hair net.

    I want to make a movie.

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    Philip Seymour Hoffman (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by TeresaInPa on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 07:14:13 PM EST
    might be good as the donald.

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    Love Donald's example of admission ... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Yman on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 11:31:33 AM EST
    ... to Wharton as the epitome of academic rigor.  Trump often proudly refers to his attendance at Wharton, but never mentions the fact that he got in as a transfer student after an interview with an admission's officer who was  close friend of his brother - not to mention the fact that his father was one of the wealthiest real estate developers in the country.  

    wow (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by The Addams Family on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 11:53:42 AM EST
    sounds like you've seen Trump's long-form academic transcripts

    Trump: the affirmative-action short-fingered vulgarian mogul

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    Heh... (none / 0) (#43)
    by Addison on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 07:04:04 PM EST
    ...same exact thing I thought. He's less of a legitimate Wharton man than Bush is a legitimate Yalie.

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    Heh, now if Romney wins the nomination, (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by MyLeftMind on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 03:01:33 PM EST
    he'll have to choose Santorum as a running mate to close his "enthusiasm gap" and pull in the wingnut votes.  

    Hey, I called that after Iowa! (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 04:15:46 PM EST
    Romney-Santorum. It is either a presidential ticket or a Star Trek galaxy.

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    Hahahaha! (5.00 / 4) (#31)
    by Zorba on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 04:24:38 PM EST
    AlterNet had an article up entitled Rick "Man on Dog" Santorum Bites Mitt "Dog on Roof" Romney, Taking Chunk Out of Electability Narrative.  So I guess the potential ticket would be "Dog on Roof"-"Man on Dog."

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    Sounds like (none / 0) (#48)
    by cal1942 on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 03:26:11 AM EST
    something we'd see in the Onion.

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    well Donald (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by TeresaInPa on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 04:24:18 PM EST
    I don't get the whole, lose the hair on the front of your head and just substitute the hair on the back of your head instead..... don't get that or the small mouth bass imitation.

    I cannot (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 06:05:08 PM EST
    take my eyes off him when he's talking (with the sound off, though) watching those pushed-out lips.  What's up with that anyway?  It's even weirder than the 'do.

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    How expensive is a hair transplant? (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by NYShooter on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 07:29:31 PM EST
    I guess very, since this "billionaire" apparently can't afford one.

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    What I don't get? (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Addison on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 07:02:51 PM EST
    I don't get the fact that Trump will die thinking he actually deserved to get in to Wharton.

    Well (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 09:59:15 AM EST
    Trump is making sense here when it comes to Santorum though I doubt anybody really cares what Donald Trump says.

    I'd be okay with a Billionaire's tax that just (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by tigercourse on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 10:16:43 AM EST
    takes all of Donald Trump's money.

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    Hahaha (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by lilburro on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 10:30:27 AM EST
    every time Trump opens his mouth he seems to justify such taxation.  Unless of course he needs all that money to continuously "innovate" fresh stupidities.

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    since mr. trump probably has a negative (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by cpinva on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 12:46:51 PM EST
    net worth, i doubt there's much to take.

    all of Donald Trump's money.

    mr. trump lives on other people's money, commonly known as loans.

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    No way he has a negative (none / 0) (#58)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 01:51:17 PM EST
    net worth. Each major property is probably owned by a special purpose vehicles organized with best bankruptcy remote language.

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    Not making sense to me (none / 0) (#4)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 10:18:28 AM EST
    I can think of many scenarios where a candidate would fare badly in one state but do well nationally. Or do well in one state but badly nationally.

    Trump is not a political genius, that much is clear.

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    Right (none / 0) (#13)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 12:13:54 PM EST
    Especially with Bush in office in a purple state.

    There is a reason Trump is a republican, and it ain't because of his deductive reasoning skillz.

    I have to say this, BTD seems fixated on Trump.  It's rather funny, he can't let the Donald proclamations go, even knowing it was nothing more then bloated chest non-sense.

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    BTD's weighter thoughts on (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 12:47:17 PM EST
    Santorum!!!!!!  See open thread below. (snk,)

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    That made Me Laugh (none / 0) (#19)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 01:21:37 PM EST
    I didn't see 'Santorum!!!!!!' as first, so I thought it read:

    "Deeper thoughts later if time permits."

    Cartoonish like Zen.

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    I think BTD is fixated on the amusement of it (none / 0) (#25)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 02:44:37 PM EST
    Of Course (none / 0) (#34)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 04:39:45 PM EST
    I never thought is was serious, but BTD (hearts) Donald Trump's empty bravado.

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    ah, but we aren't talking about just any (none / 0) (#17)
    by cpinva on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 12:48:41 PM EST
    candidate, we're talking about rick santorum. mr. santorum is in the running for worst candidate in history.

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    Well, (none / 0) (#23)
    by lentinel on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 01:58:17 PM EST
    I agree with you about him making sense.

    But people in the media seem to care about what Trump says because they print what he says - and he gets free air time to say what he says. And we read what he says, even if it is to laugh at it.

    I think he is an important part of the the three ring circus that is unfolding before us.

    The republican nomination is a non-story.
    The democratic nomination is a non-story.
    The whole election is a non-story.

    But Trump - now that's a story.

    It is diverting anyway - and takes my mind away from the ominous prospect of a war with Iran.

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    So Mr. Man on Dog (none / 0) (#2)
    by cal1942 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 10:14:22 AM EST
    had a sweep.

    What was that John Stuart Mill quote again ...

    which one? (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Peter G on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 07:32:50 PM EST
    Can't remember the exact words ... (none / 0) (#51)
    by cal1942 on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 03:01:38 PM EST
    but it's something like:

    'not all Conservatives are stupid but most stupid people are Conservatives'

    I was hoping someone had the exact quote.

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    To my surprise (none / 0) (#55)
    by Peter G on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 03:44:48 PM EST
    Wikiquote says that's an authentic quotation from Mill in parliamentary debate, in 1866.

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    Not the most in history, BUT, (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 10:21:16 AM EST
    according to the Casey people, the biggest margin since McGovern lost in 1980.

    One thought about that irrational negative (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by christinep on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 07:01:04 PM EST
    Reaction to McGovern (see also: John Kerry) concerns wanting to avoid comparisons.  IMHO, those that snigger at real heroes such as McGovern & Kerry may often be deflecting their own insecurities.  Who knows?  But I do know this: In the presence of real heroes & heroics, the usual blowhards seem sharply diminished...so, maybe the keyboard battalion-types can only wah-wah all the louder to camouflage their own diminution.

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    Yes he was very much a hero (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 02:40:52 PM EST
    but I don't remember anyone criticizing his war actions.

    To me, like Kerry, it was his actions after he returned home that I found disagreeable.

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    Thank you. (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Towanda on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 06:52:53 PM EST
    He is a marvelous man.  I worked for his campaign and met him then -- and I just saw him again a couple of weeks ago, on one of his walks, always gracious to all who still stop him to say thank you, too.

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    Well, TeresaInPa (1.00 / 1) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 05:53:59 PM EST
    had it right. You just make things up that you think I would have said.

    Oh well, so much for agreeing with you on one hand and feeling that people have the right to disagree with you from time to time on the other.

    But, as I said, he was a hero. Very much so. Kerry was not a hero, but I commented here on this blog, that I honored his service and whatever he did or didn't do in Vietnam it was more than most people did and more than Bush did although I also honor Bush's service. Flying combat jets isn't easy and the 102 wasn't called the widow maker for nothing.

    McGovern, possibility due to his exposure to what war is really like, became anti-war.  His politics became increasing strident and I feel that he, like Fonda and other well known protesters, harmed the effort and caused the war to be prolonged, thus causing American soldiers, as well as others, to be killed. But he intended well. Motive in things like his are always important.

    I think Kerry became anti-war because it was politically the right thing to do. And I think his actions were disgusting.

    If you want to single out the Repubs that didn't serve, be my guest but understand that everyone knows that there were as many Demos as Repubs who didn't serve.

    Also know that I fully support Universal Military Service - UMS - for several reasons. But one of them is that if everyone serves then maybe their Daddy's and Momma's won't be so quick to do things that put them at risk. And that would be both fighting to soon and fighting too late.

    And like we didn't lose in Vietnam, the politicians gave it away, we can now add Iraq and Afghanistan to the list.

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    Kerry was NOT a hero? (5.00 / 5) (#38)
    by Yman on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 06:22:43 PM EST
    But, as I said, he was a hero. Very much so. Kerry was not a hero ...

    A combat veteran who earned a Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts, but "not a hero" by the standards of someone who never even saw combat.

    Heh.

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    It was not a matter of being anti-war (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by cal1942 on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 03:17:00 AM EST
    it was being against a terrible blunder just as Iraq was an even greater blunder.

    And as for Kerry - in what universe is he not a war hero?

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    I hold my heroes to a higher (1.33 / 3) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 09:38:55 AM EST
    standard. Kerry's actions after the war... demonstrations.. false claims against all vets..etc. So I honor his service but he isn't a hero in my world.

    And whatever Vietnam was, the demonstrations, especially by well known people, encouraged North Vietnam who was essentially beaten after Tet yet decided they could win a political war.

    Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?

    A:  It was essential to our strategy.  Support of the war from our rear was completely secure  while the American rear was vulnerable.  Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m.  to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement.  Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence  that we should hold on  in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us.

     "Bui Tin, who served on the general staff of North Vietnam's army, received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. He later became editor of the People's Daily, the official newspaper of Vietnam. He now lives in Paris, where he immigrated after becoming disillusioned with the fruits of Vietnamese communism."

    Like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan were necessary. And like Vietnam internal opposition has helped the enemy.

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    Bui Tin? A winger convert and proven liar ... (5.00 / 5) (#50)
    by Yman on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 10:08:48 AM EST
    ... is your "evidence" that the antiwar movement was "helping the enemy"?  The same Bui Tin who claimed to he was with the first tank unit to smash through the gates of the Presidential Palace and that he accepted the surrender from the last South Vietnamese leader, Dương Văn Minh - amazingly, witnessed by no one.  The same Bui Tin - a North Vietnamese interrogator - who claimed no American POWs were tortured in Vietnam?

    wow.

    BTW -

    I hold my heroes to a higher standard.  Kerry's actions after the war... demonstrations.. false claims against all vets..etc. So I honor his service but he isn't a hero in my world.

    Let's see - McGovern protested and spoke out repeatedly against the Vietnam War, yet you think he's a hero and Kerry isn't.  Must be your second claim - that Kerry made false claims against all vets - that is the distinguishing factor.  Of course, that ridiculous claim is itself ...

    ... just a wholly fabricated lie.

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    Bravo YMAN (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by cal1942 on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 03:06:03 PM EST
    Kerry made claims against "all" vets.. (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 03:04:15 PM EST
    is another lie/mischaracterization worthy of the slimey Nixonian dirty tricks boys who first concocted it.

    Repeating the same lines from the same script over and over doesn't make them any truer, no matter how many times you do it, Hannity.

    Btw, What made Tet such a propaganda coup for the NVA was that the operating-on-fantasy and perpetually delusional Jim's of that era were just as clueless about on-the-ground realities - such the the pre-Tet capabilities of the North - as they are today. To the Cold War true believers and chickenhawks of the Vietnam era, the NVA was always on-the-ropes and the war 'winnable' from the first to last day of U.S involvement..It had to be, because to a true blue winger, the U.S military, no matter what it does, is always on a mission directly from God.    

     

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    Bravo jondee (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by cal1942 on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 03:07:00 PM EST
    n/t

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    For starters (none / 0) (#56)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 04:48:18 PM EST
    Contradicting his statements as a candidate for president, Sen. John Kerry claimed in a 1971 television interview that he threw away as many as nine of his combat medals to protest the war in Vietnam.

    "I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine medals," Kerry said in an interview on a Washington, D.C., news program on WRC-TV called Viewpoints on Nov. 6, 1971, according to a tape obtained by ABCNEWS

    ABC News

    Was he lying in 1971 or 2004?

    And who were the people he quotes here?

    I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....

    They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

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    For enders (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Yman on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 06:47:09 PM EST
    That's the best you can do to try to justify your lie about Kerry?

    Seriously?!?

    First of all, a simple reading of his testimony makes it clear that he is not making "false claims against all vets", as you originally (and laughably) claimed.

    "I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation ..."

    (he was referring to the "Winter Soldier Investigation")

    A simple reading of the quote suggests that he was referring to a group of veterans that he was representing at the hearings (Vietnam Veterans Against the War).  Perhaps  if included the prior sentence from your own link, you would understand:

    I am not here as John Kerry. I am here as one member of the group of 1,000 which is a small representation of a very much larger group of veterans in this country, and were it possible for all of them to sit at this table they would be here and have the same kind of testimony.  I would like to talk, representing all those veterans...

    "Kerry was the only representative of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) who testified on April 22, but others in VVAW were in the audience and at times supported his remarks with applause."

    More importantly, Kerry made clear in his testimony that, while he supported the prosecution of Lt. William Calley (found guilty of murder in the Mai Lai massacre), he was not blaming the soldiers - he was blaming the leadership.

    A truly pathetic lie about a combat veteran and war hero.

    You should be ashamed of yourself.

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    ashamed.. (none / 0) (#60)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 02:46:53 PM EST
    you're expecting shame from a guy who was a proud, card-carrying member of the purple bandaid crowd in '04.

    Their shameful acts are pure in the good Lord's eyes. Because they're serving a higher cause.

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    I didn't know what jim meant (none / 0) (#32)
    by TeresaInPa on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 04:26:28 PM EST
    by what he said and now I wont have to hang around and see what he says since you were able to go ahead just make some sh*t up.  Thanks man.

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    Post title... (none / 0) (#9)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 11:07:12 AM EST
    conjurs an image of Trump tossin' a dirty salad.

    Sorry...junior high politics begets junior high humor.

    haha (none / 0) (#11)
    by CST on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 11:52:44 AM EST
    what about Romney?  He was only elected the one time and left office with a 35% approval rating.  His hand pointed successor lost by 20 points.

    Santorum - you should've quit while you were ahead!

    Just (none / 0) (#21)
    by lentinel on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 01:43:40 PM EST
    think of him as "Ronald", Donald.

    Huntsman view on Trump and the repub. party (none / 0) (#40)
    by loveed on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 06:56:25 PM EST
    link l and link

    He reads history? (none / 0) (#59)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 02:03:11 PM EST
    Blasphemy!


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