Dec. 11 George Zimmerman Discovery Hearing

A hearing in the George Zimmerman case starts today at 9:00 am ET. You can watch online at CNNLive, WOFL-Channel 35, WESH-Channel 2, WKMG-Channel 6 and WFTV-Channel 9, and clickorlando.com.

The list of motions to be heard is here.

The motions, responses and replies are here and here

I think the most interesting part will be the battle over the tape of the call between the Martin family lawyers and Witness 8, aka Dee Dee.

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    Is anyone (none / 0) (#1)
    by DebFrmHell on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 08:01:58 AM EST
    going to blog on this while it is happening?  I can't type faster enough to keep up but I have a pen and paper ready.

    I will have FOX 35 open and Twitter.

    Listening with one ear too (none / 0) (#2)
    by cboldt on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 08:21:16 AM EST
    I might hear something that I think is worth remarking on, but 1) I'm bailing out at 10:30, for sure, and 2) I'm multi-tasking (working) so definitely not listening carefully.

    That said, the hearing seems so far to be similar to the last one.  Defense has to try to get discovery without the Court's help, first.  Crump has given his recorder to FDLE.

    De la Rionda is getting agitated about West characterizing the voice ID as exculpatory / "Brady" material.  Ten minute recess so West and de la Rionda can discuss what the discovery motion is about.


    West's Real Agenda (none / 0) (#4)
    by RickyJim on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 10:44:14 AM EST
    is to get the prosecution to admit they knew of several witnesses who had identified the screamer as Zimmerman at the time they filed the Affidavit of Probable Cause in this case.  They only cited the identification by Sybrina Fulton as that of her son Trayvon.  Thus I think such information will become part of a motion to have the APC quashed.  

    The real agenda may be W8 and others who (none / 0) (#10)
    by Nettles18 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 02:36:13 PM EST
    said it wasn't Trayvon or they couldn't tell it was Trayvon.  Does the State have to disclose that to the defense, if they asked a witness and they answered?

    In reading the motion to compel regarding voice recognition, see footnote 2 on page 2/4. The defense seems to believe (and I agree) that it is likely that State would have played the 911 call with the screams on it for W8 and asked her opinion if that was Trayvon's voice. Perhaps they did that during the August trip? The State has not provided the defense with the outcome on their meeting with this witness in August. If I heard the prosecution right today, they don't think they have to disclose anyone who didn't have an opinion it was GZ voice. So if W8 told the prosecutor she couldn't tell if that was Trayvon they don't have to disclose that to defense? I'd think they should.


    Was BDLR skewing the issue a bit? (none / 0) (#8)
    by Tamta on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 01:12:08 PM EST
    I thought the witness testimony, not the recording,  of who observed Tracy Martin listening to the recording and saying it was not his son was the issue covered by Brady?

    I have to tell you... (none / 0) (#3)
    by DebFrmHell on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 09:56:48 AM EST
    I am disappointed in the way this went.  But not surprised.

    I seems that Nelson is loathe to overturn any of Lester's rulings and I don't understand that.  Lester was removed for his bias toward Zimmerman in the case.

    What am I not getting?

    Doesn't she have to base her decision on the (none / 0) (#9)
    by Tamta on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 01:16:03 PM EST
    evidence that was before Lester at the time his ruling was made? I am not saying that I was pleased with her answer.

    20 day limit (none / 0) (#11)
    by P3P3P3P3 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 05:35:41 PM EST
    wasn't there a 20 day window after Lester left to bring up changes before Nelson?

    Judge Nelson is probably exhausted and still (none / 0) (#5)
    by Redbrow on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 11:35:09 AM EST
    focused on her other self-defense case that went long yesterday with no decision. It seems like she barely even bothered to look closely at the Zimmerman case and is keeping it on the back burner. She should have just let another judge handle these discovery issues, as the defense requested.

    On Monday Circuit Judge Debra Nelson heard testimony in the case of James Fraleigh, a Casselberry man who is accused of striking a neighbor with a shovel. Fraleigh says he did so in self-defense after the neighbor, Dylan Wells, attacked him.

    The hearing Monday ended without a decision, after testimony overran the allotted time. It will continue on Thursday afternoon.

    Actually, (none / 0) (#6)
    by DebFrmHell on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 01:05:01 PM EST
    while it seems against the Defense that she has not looked at any of the evidence, it may actually be a good thing.

    When everything is presented at the immunity hearing she cannot be influenced either by or from things that have floated about for what will be a year+ in advance.

    [/perpetual optimism]


    She seems to be proceeding with the notion (none / 0) (#7)
    by Tamta on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 01:09:52 PM EST
    that everyone is following the rules.....???